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Phillies Trade for Pitching

The Phillies 2008 pitching staff came into focus a little more on Wednesday as Pat Gillick made a deal with Ed Wade for closer Brad Lidge.  The trade implies that the club will move Brett Myers back into a starting role to solidify the rotation with Hamels, Myers, Moyer, Kendrick, and Eaton (with Myers officially losing his ace role).  Lidge, who is third on the all-time Astros save list, struggled a bit last year recording just 19 saves in 27 opportunities.  He does tend to come up big with strikeouts though as he averaged 11.8 per nine innings last season.  However it should be noted that he did have surgery to repair torn cartilage in his right knee the day after the season ended.

The Phils also picked up infielder Eric Bruntlett who hit .246 with 14 RBIs last season, while seeing time at shortstop, third base and the outfield.  Heading to Houston will be Michael Bourn, Geoff Geary and former top pick of the Phillies 2005 draft, Michael Costanzo.  The departure of Bourn and Geary may come back to haunt the Philllies if they are unable to resign Aaron Rowand and/or J.C. Romero.  Bourn came up huge last year, albiet briefly, when Shane Victorino went down with injury and although he has been considered a valuable part of the Phillies future, trade rumors have surrounded him since his call to the majors.  Geary was less consistent and often the odd-man out when it came to roster moves, but now since he’s about out of options, it made sense that he was involved in the trade.

I like the move if only because it brings Brett Myers back into the rotation where I believe he is more valuable.  I know we’re not getting the Lidge of 2005, but if he pitches well in Spring Training and shows he is healthy, I think he will be good enough.

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  1. NateB

    November 8, 2007 at 12:08 am

    this is great. lidge is a great closer, he’s only 30 yrs old, even with a bad season (for lidge) he was a more dependable reliever than anyone we had this year in the ‘pen (except for maybe romero), and myers is back to the rotation. now i’d love to have romero and rowand back and we’d be set for next season. of course it would be nice to pick up a better 3rd baseman and another starter to replace eaton (sending him to the bullpen), but that’s not as necessary now as signing a dependable reliever (romero) and another outfielder (rowand).

  2. Chris.I

    November 8, 2007 at 12:28 am

    This trade could also indicate that it was to replace Romero as a setup man, and keep Myers as closer, and sign Schilling for $12 million for 2008. About Rowand…There is no question about it, We need him more than before after this trade. We gave up alot for this deal, and I have to agree with Michael, It could come back to haunt us. I’m not talking about Bourne..I’m referring to Costanzo! I been following this kid since he played for archbishop carrol, and I always thought this kid was special. I just pray to God they have a backup plan on the future of this 3rd base position now.

  3. Tom

    November 8, 2007 at 12:50 am

    this trade hinges on whether or not romero will return. to me, that gillick made this move (including geary specifically) implies that he’s confident he can bring romero back because we can’t afford to lose him and geary (who had some HUMONGOUS double play balls down the stretch in big spots, and not that long ago in 2006 was possibly the phillies best and most trusted reliever). as far as rowand goes, this doesn’t signal his return at all really (as much as it would be nice). if gillick can get a guy like geoff jenkins to come in and platoon with werth it would cut our losses in the outfield.

    i like this roll of the dice because lidge in a new city could turn his awesome stuff into a new beginning and myers is far and above better than anyone we could’ve gotten through a trade or free agency.

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  5. Craig

    November 8, 2007 at 8:45 am

    I was thrilled when I heard about the trade. Picking up Lidge for basically Bourn was a great move on so many levels. Lidge looked to have turned his career around the second half of last season, Geary was very inconsistent last year, Costanzo has not turned the corner on cutting down strikeouts while increasing average and Bruntlett will be better than Nunez or Perez. The best part is now Myers can move back into the rotation, just like Smoltz did in Atlanta, and the Phillies can concentrate on Rowand and Romero. I wish Bourn good luck but do not think he will ever develop into a player that will haunt us.

  6. Dale

    November 8, 2007 at 1:00 pm

    Unfortunately, I have to disagree that this is a good trade, IT IS TERRIBLE!!!!! Trading Bourne and Costanzo mean we have no centerfielder or third baseman for 2009 at all. Lidge is just a has been or never was, from the much weaker NL Central. You probably could of had him around the All Star break for a little cash and Nunez or Barajas. Once again they play head games with Brett Myers, one day he’s the closer next day a starter, the same kind of mind games they used to destroy Gavin Floyd’s confidence. By the way Gillick didn’t make this trade Amaro Jr. did, with his old boss Ed Wade. I’ve seen it all before, Wade is going to rape and pilage the Phillies farm system and the Phillies are left without anything! It happened when Dallas Green left and he made the now famous Ivan DeJesus for Larry Bowa and Ryne Sandberg trade. That trade and others led to the alot of bad deals and bad baseball around the Vet for years! Costanzo was the final piece to the infield for the next 5 or six years and Bourne in centerfield would have brought back visions of Garry Maddox. Now if we can only keep these idiots anyway from Ryan Howard before they mess with his mind we might luck out. This is a bad, no make that a very bad deal!!!

  7. Joe

    November 8, 2007 at 2:21 pm

    Who cares about 2009? Can we finally play for right now in this town. I am so sick of hearing about the future, lets get a championship NOW, and let the future take care of itself. Besides, Costanzo was a butcher at third and do you really want to add another 120 strikeouts a year to this lineup? Bourn will never be any more than a slap hitting defensive outfielder. We already have Victorino, who has more pop in his bat anyway. An outfield with Bourn and Victorino leads to about 80 steals, and 7 home runs in a season. No thanks. Good Trade.

  8. Tom

    November 8, 2007 at 4:34 pm

    Bourn is not half as good as Victorino, or even an every day player. He’s just not. Victorino is our centerfielder unless or until Rowand resigns (doubtful) and will be our centerfielder in 2008, 2009 and beyond; the problem is now corner outfield because there are doubts Werth can play every day.

    Head games with Myers? He’s not thrilled to go back into the rotation but he wasn’t thrilled to go out to the bullpen to begin with. He is clearly not Gavin Floyd, and won’t let different circumstances let him hang curve balls left and right.

  9. Matt Kwasiborski

    November 8, 2007 at 5:00 pm

    After Myers beat up his wife for the first time in public, he really has no leverage with the Phillies or any team. Plus, we gave him a nice contract, so this is not at all playing head games with him. He is lucky he is still in the major leagues. It just goes to show you that talent alone will get you a shot. If this was Geary who did this, Geary would be working at the local Starbucks blackballed from baseball.

    First the glass half-empty comment: Does it concern anyone that we approached Wade first about Chad Qualls, their main setup guy, and wound up with Lidge? Why wouldn’t we first approach Wade about Lidge then maybe get talked down to Qualls? And why was Wade so anxious to get Lidge out of town after scouts say his stuff was the best it has been at the end of the year?

    Now, glass half-full: For all of you on this page who criticize this trade, you don’t know baseball. Plain and simple! Look at the past World Series winners and even runner ups and what did they all have in common? Pitching, pitching, pitching. Let me say it again: pitching, pitching, pitching. They had dominate starters and dominant closers. You all must have not watched any baseball playoffs since 1993 and our three game cameo this October.

    Giving up Bourn, a 4th OF (not CF of the future) and a mediocre minor leaguer (may have pop, but that is it) and back end bullpen guy (like Geary, always did) for a solid former dominat closer and able to get a #2 rotation guy in return is a no-brainer. And for those who question it, again, you don’t know anything about baseball.

  10. Greg

    November 8, 2007 at 10:57 pm

    I agree the trade is good. I feel Lidge still has great stuff and can revert back to form. An added benefit is that we dont go throwing money off some average back-end-of-the-rotation-at-best rag arm and pretend he’s a #2. I don’t know much about the Qualls/Lidge aspect but I’ll bet a lot of it has to do with the 440K/6M salary comparison. Costanzo is a bum. 160 strikeouts in 500 AA at bats? At least he can flash the skillet-hands at 3rd.

  11. VA Steve

    November 9, 2007 at 7:06 am

    Really, we need to look at this as getting a quality reliever AND a starting pitcher, for an unknown commodity in outfielder, an inconsistent relief pitcher and a minor league prospect. In my book, on the surface, this is a GREAT trade, and addressed several needs without giving up much at all. Of course, time will tell. I do have confidence that stand Pat Gillick can fill the other holes. He did great last year with Werth and Dobbs. Besides, these two will play a large role in 2008.

  12. Don

    November 9, 2007 at 1:36 pm

    I have to comment about this. I believe this is a good trade for sure. In this trade we seem to forget that Bruntlett is also a utility player that can play in the outfield. No I don’t believe him to be a Bourn (lacks speed) but he can cover the other two outfield positions as well as some infield. I think this trade really makes sense and as long as Lidge’s surgery and recovery goes well the Phillies will be glad this one happened!

  13. Nick

    November 10, 2007 at 8:21 am

    Time will tell but on paper I don’t like the looks of these moves. While the rotation is starting to shape up, the future at third and the outfield remain in question. Why trade Constanzo when the Phils have had such a proven track record of success with top picks migrating to the majors? Time will tell, Mr. Gillick

  14. Craig

    November 10, 2007 at 10:24 am

    The name of our future 3B is Brennan King. He is 6’3” and 180lbs according to rotoworld and will fill out his frame. These are his stats last year at AAA Ottawa:

    Ottawa (INT) AAA 465 129 .277 10 59 1 54 0 17 2 39 75

    In 465 AB’s, he batted .277 with 10 HR’s and 59 rbi’s which is about what Helms did for us. I don’t see much of a difference between him and Costanzo…except he had only 75 strikeouts. I am very happy with the Lidge trade and moving Costanzo in the deal is ok with someone like King in AAA.

  15. Dale

    November 10, 2007 at 12:31 pm

    Brennan King has been in the minor leagues for years and isn’t even property of the Phillies. He’s a career minor leaguer who has never shown any promise or talent to move on to the next level. Maybe take a shot at Miguel Cabrera or Mike Lowell now that we know Helms can’t play on an everyday basis. Maybe switch Tyler Mach or one of the other hard hitting pospects to the hot corner might be an option, too. Just remember Chase Utley played third base but when the ball club thought theywere going to have Scott Rolen for a time, moved him to second base. Glad I stirred up such a hornets nest, lol. You people would have traded the greatest third baseman in Phillies history by reading some of your comments about Costanzo, you know the one’s about his fielding and strikeouts, because Mike Schmidt hit .189 with 18 home runs his first year in Phillies pinstripes, so be careful on how you judge players and their talent!

  16. NateB

    November 10, 2007 at 9:00 pm

    Romero’s signed… next up- Rowand. We also need another middle reliever to replace Geary.

  17. Sean P.

    November 11, 2007 at 5:18 pm

    This has been beaten to death…. Phillies getting Brad Lidge is good trade, he’s a respectable bullpen guy. In my eyes there two sides to this. Being a Philadelphia fan you know he’s going to suck just b/c he’s coming to Philly. The only thing that can save us is the fact that Ed Wade is that bad of a general manager to give up a guy like Lidge. We’ll see this season

    It just always seems the best bullpen guys for any team are the ones that make the least and you don’t expect them to do as well. There good for a few years get a huge contract then suck….

    I hope Brad Lidge plays well, he should.

  18. Andrew

    November 11, 2007 at 7:56 pm

    Yahoo! Sports is reporting that the Phillies seem resigned to letting Rowand walk. The team is more focused on spending money on pitching than bringing back a right-handed bat to protect Howard.

    Regarding earlier discussion on this thread, I for one do care about 2009. I’d much rather build a dynasty than win now and wait another 28 years for a championship. The Red Sox, Rockies, and Diamondbacks all have the right philosophy…build your farm system and surround that young talent with great veterans. A rotation starring Hamels, Kendrick, Carasco, Myers, and perhaps Savery or Happ could be one of the best down the road. If you’re not going to make the effort to sign players like Rowand to complement the younger talent, then certainly don’t trade away the likes of Bourn.

    As necessary as this trade was, I like it a little less if Rowand leaves.

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