Phillies Sign Pedro Feliz

The Phillies have signed 3B Pedro Feliz. is reporting a two-year deal for $8.5M (with a third-year option), pending physical.

Feliz, 32, hit .253 with 20 HR and 72 RBI in 2007 for the Giants. For his career, he is a .252 hitter with marginal power (20 HR per year) but slick defense. Last year he rated as one of the Major League’s top third basemen.

I will only like this deal — and not much — if Wes Helms is dealt for relief or starting pitching. He won’t get much, though. I honestly think the Phils could’ve spent this money better ways, but supposedly the dearth of relief pitching made it possible to grab Feliz. As it stands, this signing may hamper the team somewhere (whether it’s getting more pitching or bolstering a re-signging of Howard).

But in all honesty, the Phils offense could’ve gone another year with a 3B platoon. This pitching staff can’t go another year with shoddy relief and starting pitching. I feel as if this is more a name signing than anything, which, well, is the norm in Phillies land.

UPDATE (2:03 p.m. Thursday): The deal has been finalized . It’s $8.5M over two years with a third-year option that would make it a $15M total deal. Well, at least the offense is all shored up.

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  1. Big Daddy

    January 28, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Feliz, is a step-up from what we have now. He has some pop + can play more than one position. Hopefully the Phils are not done + we can get some decent pitching.

  2. Chris M

    January 28, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    This is good i believe. This gives us an abrham nunez with a bat. Feliz is a better defender then dobbs and helms. This is an upgrade plus we have some trade bait for other reasons. But this is all if we didn’t over pay.(like an adam eaton) And why isn’t one of our options on the poll question 7 million? Isn’t that what the Phils are at?

  3. Brooks

    January 28, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    Feliz vs Helms/Dobbs stats are too similar. The Phils combo hit for a higher average and more rbi (Dobbs had 55 himself & Helms 39 compared to 72 by Feliz. 15 hrs (you have to expect that Helms has to be better than that) beween the 2, 22 for Feliz.
    I wont even mention no-hit Nunez (which month was his last hit? Better yet, the last hit with a man on base?).
    Feliz has never been a stand out hitter and we have seen our fair share of flops at 3rd (David Bell, Helms just to name 2 in 1 second). More ifs guys… more ifs indeed.
    Dig deep, keep Ryan happy and see if there is ANY CHANCE to get Eric Bedard…
    With Bedard and a happy Ryno, 100 wins would look more believable (sorry Jimmy – I too have doubted you in the past).
    My buds and I were talking about going to Clearwater this spring, instead I will visit my son in Phoenix in March and see a few games I hope. I plan on checking a Rockies game, wearing my Phils Jacket (oh thank you Santa!), my Phillies hat and I may even consider bringing my #6 jersey.
    I will definitely give the Rocks a razzin if I get to go – wont happen again.

  4. bob

    January 28, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    This is an upgrade for sure….a 3rd basement who can hit….he was the top ranked defensive 3rd basement in the NL last year….with him and Jimmy on the left side, not much will go through….a right handed bat that will pop at least 25 HR, our lineup is set with Jenkins hitting out of the six hole and Feliz hitting out of the 7 hole, then Ruiz 8th, we look solid again. Now if only the pitching holds up?????

  5. Sean P.

    January 28, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Yea, i think its a good signing. You know what your getting with this guy, and it should one less this Manual has to think about with an everyday 3rd basemen.

    Unfortunately, i don’t think the Phillies are a happy Ryno and one Eric Bedard away from 100 wins. Santana is still out on the trading block and the Mets are looking like the suitor. Should be another great year either way, GO PHILS!!!

  6. l baker

    January 28, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    good upgrade. if you improve in the feild it helps the pitching. the man had 98 rbi two years ago what do you think he will do in this lineup

  7. Tim Malcolm

    January 28, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    This isn’t an upgrade at all offensively:

    2007 Dobbs/Helms/Nunez: .252 H/AB, .105 R/AB, .091 BB/AB, .195 SO/BB
    2007 Feliz: .253 H/AB, .109 R/AB, .052 BB/AB, .125 SO/AB

    It’s a wash. While the complaints that Feliz strikes out too much should be put to bed, his on base percentage reeks. He makes plenty of outs, and a seven-hole hitter shouldn’t be making plenty of outs. Basically, Eric Bruntlett was fine for the Abe Nunez role; now we put $8.5 over two years to a glorified Abe Nunez.

  8. Matt

    January 28, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Anyone who is complaining he doesn’t get on abse enough-it’s not like he’s going to be a top of the lineup guy. I’d put him 8th behind Ruiz/Coste. To get 25 HRs and 70+ RBI out of your 7-8 hole hitter is great. And as long as he is solid in the field that automatically makes him an upgrade over Helms. And Sean don’t worry Santana will end up in LA before he goes to the Mets.

  9. bob

    January 28, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Feliz is a definite upgrade for the team over the current Dobbs/Helms platoon. Besides the obvious defensive upgrade, Feliz opens up a roster spot while adding more flexibility to the roster. So say Utley goes down or needs a breather. Feliz moves over to 2nd and Dobbs plays third.

    Having one guy do the same job offensively as two, regardless of the “averages” is always a good thing because that second spot can now be put to use more effectively, i.e. in the rotation or in the bullpen.

    The Phils need to bring in a sinkerball pitcher stat.

  10. Brian

    January 28, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    For those who are comparing Feliz’s numbers with the 3B platoon of last year, you are forgetting that Feliz played in a pitchers park in a TERRIBLE lineup. This year, he will hit in a hitter’s paradise and be in the best lineup in the NL. Look for his RBI and HR total to increase accordingly.

  11. Gavin

    January 29, 2008 at 9:22 am

    Also remember that Dobbs’ numbers weren’t all at 3B last year. In fact the majority were at 1B and in the OF. If you break the numbers down of what our 3B did last year Feliz is an upgrade. plus he is a defensive whiz. This should help us.

    I feel bad for Dobbs. He proved he is a big league hitter and they pulled a Barajas/Coste on him. Has to be frustrating for him. It does give us more depth on the bench. Dear Lord, don’t trade Dobbs and keep Helms!

  12. Tim Malcolm

    January 29, 2008 at 9:35 am


    I agree with you that Dobbs performed better outside of third base, as his third base production was that strong at all. (.232/.293/.347). Still, Feliz’ numbers at third are .250/.288/.422. Yes, it’s more power, for sure, but those numbers are league average at best, and the OBP is what scares me. I don’t like the possible black hole of Jenkins/Feliz/Ruiz at the bottom of the order.

    Feliz may up his power game at Citizens Bank Park, but that won’t change the fact that he’ll swing wildly at everything.

    My main argument, though, is that we could’ve used the money elsewhere. There are more pressing needs, by far.

  13. bebopdeluxe

    January 29, 2008 at 11:30 am

    This team has plenty of offense…what it has is mediocre pitching…and if Feliz can help our 3-4-5 pitchers in the rotation go from 5-6 inning pitchers to 6-7 inning pitchers once in a while…if he can keep us from using one more reliever in the 6th-8th inning now and then…if he can give us 1 more option late in the game (now that you don’t have defensively substitute afer the 6th inning every game)…all of this stuff is good.

    While I’m not in love with some of his numbers at the plate, in our lineup the guys should still be good for 23-25 HR’s and 85+ RBI’s…which is WAY more than we would get out of Helms…and it’s not like he’s gonna be hitting 5th-6th like he was in SF…he’ll likely be hitting 7th here.

    It’s a clear upgrade at the position, IMO…and I’m good with it (and you KNOW that the pitchers are good with it as well).

  14. Jason

    January 29, 2008 at 11:32 am

    This was not a bad addition to the lineup. The upgrade on defense at third with help out the pitching. What kind of pitching are you going to get for that kind money in today’s game (4.25mil/year)? They could overpay again for a pitcher, ala Adam Eaton, but I don’t think we would want that to happen again. There should be an increase in Feliz’s numbers playing half his games in CBP vs. whatever the hell the park is called in San Fran now. Overall not a bad move.

  15. Jason

    January 29, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    This was a real solid move. Last year our 3B had a defensive value of -22 Runs below replacement level. Pedro Feliz had a defensive value of 14 runs above replacement level. If we can agree that the offensive production will be about equivalent to last season’s 3B platoon, then this move will make us 35 runs better in the run’s allowed column. That is a significant upgrade at a reasonable cost.

  16. bob

    January 29, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    the pre-season impact of signing feliz can’t be fully evaluated until management trades/releases one of the other players on the squad.

    the phils have warm bodies filling in the infield, outfield, and bullpen slots.

    phils need more starting pitching.
    1. hamels – ok
    2. myers – ok
    3. moyer – ok
    4. kendrick – not reliable
    5. durbin – not reliable (and not much better than eaton)
    6. eaton – not reliable

    last year, the phils went in with 5-6 previously proven/reliable starters
    1. hamels
    2. myers
    3. moyer
    4. lieber
    5. garcia
    6. eaton

    and only two remained by the end of the year. chances are that injuries are going to hit the phillies again this year, but the downside risk is much much greater because there is so little depth.

  17. chris m

    January 29, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    bob all i got to say to you is hamels= ok??? Hes one of the best young pitchers in the game if not the best. Myers=ok? I think anyone that knows some kind of baseball knows hes better then average. And still why isn’t 7 million an option for what howard is worth… aAfterall thats where the phillies stand.

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