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Rosenthal: Burrell For Sabathia?

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports writes about the Indians need for a slugger and trade possibilities involving ace CC Sabathia in his latest column. He throws a couple options out there, including Pat Burrell. He writes:

“[Adam] Dunn, Pat Burrell, Bobby Abreu, Mark Teixeira — any of those potential free agents would lift the Indians’ sagging offense. Teixeira, the only plus defender, is by far the most appealing. Then again, as badly as the Tribe is going, a little creativity might be required.”

He continues, saying Burrell wouldn’t be a great fit for the Indians because they would need a right fielder, but their current left fielder is former-Phillie David Dellucci, who is hitting a light .227 with 5 HR and 16 RBI. Burrell would clearly be an upgrade.

Sabathia is in the final year of his contract, and will demand a lot of dough and a long-term deal after the season. Burrell, of course, is in his contract year and would demand probably $40M to $50M over a couple years.

Quite honestly, it would be a fair move for the Phillies. While Burrell has been outstanding so far, and gives the Phils necessary right-handed production, they could play the year with Jayson Werth in left field and get maybe 70 percent of Burrell’s production. Then again, they could get more.

Would the Indians give up Sabathia? There’s no indication they’d re-sign him past 2008, so it’s possible Cleveland would rid him for the offense they desperately need. Currently they have a stacked pitching staff, especially with the way Cliff Lee is throwing.

Sabathia would solve the Phils rotation troubles and would be an easy loaner. They wouldn’t have to commit to him beyond 2008; if they want to, they’d have a dynamite 1-2 punch for many years. But who else would the Phils give up with Burrell? Ryan Madson may not be enough. Throw in a prospect like Antonio Bastardo? Very intriguing — I would not rule out discussions between the Phils and Indians.

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  1. dan

    May 30, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Thanks for the report, Tim.

  2. Geoff

    May 30, 2008 at 11:59 am

    I would ONLY compelte this deal, assuming cleveland goes for it and its all setup, if the phillies can come to a contract extension with him before he comes. after the season you then resign hamels, and NO i DONT CARE HOW MUCH THEY WILL BOTH COST. then you have two lefthanders at the top of your rotations for YEARS and theyre both happy and well-paid. this is the kind of move great teams make.

  3. Tim Malcolm

    May 30, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    dan, thanks for the hat tip.

  4. gRant

    May 30, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Yes please.

  5. OZ

    May 30, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    do it, do it, do it. prospects-smospects. remember the Phillies brass rave about our prospects, i’ve yet to read one freakin’ article, blog, etc. from an objective source raving about our minor leaguers….

    i would love if they could sign CC prior to the trade as well….

    i have great faith in Gillick getting it done, and Montgomery & Giles forking over the money. i also smuggled a flask into work today.

  6. Rich

    May 30, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    Done, where do I sign?

  7. Don M

    May 30, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    First… nice move with the flask OZ!

    Geoff.. again… YOU don’t care how much they will both cost, but you know the Phillies owners do… Sabathia is going to get a HUGE contract… he’s a CY Young winner, and among the leaders in K’s every year. He has Yankee written all over him.

    If the Phillies could pull this off, that would be amazing, but I sure ain’t gettin my hopes up.

    I think Werth can fill-in nicely in LF for Burrell, and I really think that is their plan for next year. Burrell can make some nice scratch somewher as a DH, and I dont know that he would want to give up money to stay in Philly.. I’d like him to, but I doubt he would.

    Sabathia, Hamels, Carrasco, Bastardo, Kendrick (Savery, Outman, Happ).. Myers traded, or the closer.. god damn we would be nasty for the next couple years

  8. chrism

    May 30, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    who knows if burell would waive his no trade…he loves philly…only do it if its a sign and trade…but gillick is dumb enuf to do a stupid trade

  9. Geoff

    May 30, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    I know itd be nice though wouldnt it?

    theyre not going to get sabathia, AND i think theyll let burrel walk and not get anything for him.

    trust them to always take the cheap way out. i dont know if they understand the whole concept of making a move that 1. makes sense and 2. signifies to your fans that you want to win, therefore causing them to load up on your tickets.

    if the phillies did make the move, theyd probably giv eup too many top prospects AND fail to resign him, leaving us with nothing unless they win a world series.

  10. Geoff

    May 30, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Locking up hamels and bringing in sabathia and locking him up and trading myers for a valuable piece elsewhere on this team would be the exact way to take over this city and the national league for years. talk about a great 1-2 combo. wow. i would love that, but i agree, given my history of questioning the owners motives, that they wont do it

  11. NC Jason

    May 30, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I would do this deal in a heartbeat. It makes sense – put Burrell back with his buddy Jason Michaels and throw in a prospect to make the Indians happy. But I think other have noted this as well – right now we need a front of the rotation started so the deal makes sense. If the deal is done and then we do not resign CC then we are up shits creek.

    More importantly I can see this trade season being hyped and then coming and going without the Phils doing anything!

    The real question is if they do not deal Burrell – doesn’t that mean we have to resign him? Because we can not let him walk without getting anything for him. And right now his value is high.

  12. tom

    May 30, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    i wouldn’t recommend holding my breath on this one

  13. chrism

    May 30, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    I could see what geoff says…give to much and let him walk at year end..being a philly fan we hear this type of shit all the time and nothing happens so no one get excited

  14. Mike T.

    May 30, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Sounds good, but it won’t happen. Anyway, I like Howard to the A’s for Rich Harden a lot more.

  15. chrism

    May 30, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    a’s can’t afford him… and harden aint the real deal

  16. Mike T.

    May 30, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Anyone hungry for some fresh Fraud Fish?

  17. Tom

    May 30, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Sabathia’s too much of a fat slob. He’ll breakdown sooner rather than later. Think Derrick Coleman… are you vomiting yet?? Plus, Burrell likes it so much here, we’d probably get a hometown discount to keep him. He’ll get you close to 100 RBI’s and is not as bad a fielder as people make him out to be. Slow, but not useless.

    Trading Howard to the AL for a pitcher is much better. We’d be eliminating 220 strikeouts from our lineup, and a first-baseman with a worse glove than Carey Price.

  18. Mike T.

    May 30, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Carey Price is going to be a great goaltender though.

  19. Geoff

    May 30, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Burrel isnt going to turn down all that money. theres going to be some desperate team (yankees) that throws tons of money at him. id prefer to trade howard to the angels because i like their pithcing and some of their players. i really like jered weaver and ervin santana for ryan howard but that is such a pipe dream that id settle for one of those guys and a prospect or two.

  20. Greg

    May 30, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Of course anyone would trade Burrell for Sabathia, but not for a rent-a-season. Got to sign for some years. The only way to address our pitching is an open wallet.

    I like the Howard for Harden idea as well.

  21. Tom

    May 30, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Geoff, if your pipe dream comes true, I will drive Howard to DisneyLand myself!

    Tough to trade any veterans, though. We don’t really have any position players that are backed by a top prospect in the minors. Maybe Jaramillo at catcher…which we don’t have any major league trade value at.

  22. Lewisauce

    May 30, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Harden appears to have more upside, but he’s got an injury history. Sabathia is listed at 290 lbs. on the team’s official Web site. That means he actually weighs 300+. I know what some folks are gonna say: “I don’t care if he’s a fat piece of shit. He can throw.” I understand this, but you want a guy who will play the whole season. Sabathia historically has done so, but … I don’t know. I just get a “red flag” feeling.

    At the same time, Burrell’s contract is up and he can get more cash elsewhere, so we should get the value now. Hmm …

    All in all, I’d do it. Try to get the trainers to work with Sabathia to stay in some sort of shape, maybe try to get fitness clauses into his contract extension …

    Of course, all of this is fantasy, because the our ownership won’t do it.

  23. Mike W.

    May 30, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    How bout them Phils, #2 in’s power rankings today.

  24. Gavin

    May 30, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    How about Burrell, Kendrick, and Cardenas for Sabthia and Wes Hodges 3B(top 5 prospect of tribe).

    You may feel like we’re giving up too much, but I think this is more realistic.

  25. Don M

    May 30, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    I dont think the Indians would do it… Jason Michaels got released, and I think he’s with the Pirates now… they already have a starting LF in Delucci, although he sucks… they already have a DH in Travis Hafner, so Burrell wouldn’t be able to take that spot.

    The Phillies would do that in a heartbeat.. to trade a guy with an expiring contract for a Cy Young winner in a no-brainer. But with his no-trade clause (why would he want to move to Cleveland for 1/2 a year??) and the fact that it doesn’t make sense for the Indians to do it… But hell i’d love him to be on our team

  26. Geoff

    May 30, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    thats too much to give up (burrell, kendrick, cardenas) especially if theres no guarantee of resigning him in case they dont win the world series with that move. id be ok with that if there is a 72 hour clause in the deal like the mets had to get santana signed long-term. otherwise its just throwing away a solid pitcher and one of your best prospects for half a season with which theres no guarantee youd win the world series.

  27. Geoff

    May 30, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    howard for harden…whaaaat?

    billy beane is hoping to get a mediocre prospect for harden. no gm in their right mind would do howard for harden straight up because harden has been hurt like almost non-stop. he needs to establish his health before teams will want him.

  28. Lewisauce

    May 30, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    The Indians do have a DH, but Hafner had kind of a bad year last year (overshadowed by the team’s overall success), and he’s stinking it up this year (.217 / 4 HR / 22 RBI). The Tribe might be in more need of offensive help than it appears.

    And I’m with Geoff. Howard for Harden is a bad move. Harden’s got great talent, but he can’t stay healthy. The Phillies are already gun shy when it comes to injury-prone pitchers (with good reason).

  29. walt t

    May 30, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    You’re all nuts! Trade Howard? Can’t you see that even with all his shortcomings Howard makes that whole lineup tick.

    As far as Burrell is concerned………….you got to try to sign him to a 3yr deal. Werth is not the answer. He’s unreliable. He gets hurt too much. And besides the way the Phillies are pussyfooting with Greg Golson, he will not be able to play full time and be a contributing factor for at least 2 more years! Jenkins, athought a very nice addition, is on the downside of his career. Victorino will also battle injuries throughout his career.

    They should have made a serious attempt to sign Rowand! Watch what he will do on that SF team, on and off the field.

  30. Lewisauce

    May 30, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Walt, The Giants aren’t going anywhere, even with Rowand. And for the money he got in San Fran, he ain’t worth it. He’s a good player, but he’s not worth that kind of cash, especially when you can sink that money into your rotation (theoretically; we’ll see what ownership does).

    Eventually, Ryan Howard is going to an AL team where he can DH and rake in $20+ million a year. By “eventually,” I mean before his arbitration eligibility is up. So the ultimate question will be: what kind of pitching (talent and MLB-ready) do we get for him? (Caveat: I’d love to see him stay, but not for “A-Rod money,” which is what he is demanding.)

    However, for now, you’re right. Howard for Harden, as Geoff said, is kinda ridiculous.

  31. Phil

    May 31, 2008 at 10:53 am

    I thought about the whole trading Howard thing, and honestly, that is the most retarded thing I’ve ever heard. He puts people in seats for starters. Home runs are the most popular thing and baseball, and even though he only has 15 homers now, he’ll finish out the season with 50. On top of that, we have him until 2012. Trade him in 2011, keep the best offensive infield in baseball for 3 more years. The addition of Pedro Feliz was so godly. Get a really good 3B prospect for when Feliz’s contract runs out and be ready to have a 1B prospect ready to go for 2011. Rollins and Utley are still young enough(and 2B and SS are positions that have longevity) that they’ll be around for a while. Victorino and Werth have proven to be injury prone, but if they can stay healthy and you bring up Greg Golson it looks like our offense is going to remain for years to come. Onto the Sabathia thing, Burrell isn’t budging, and I doubt we’re gonna resign him and he probably knows that, so he’s gonna make the best of it this year. Manuel loves Jayson Werth and so do the fans. That guy is going to become really good when he gets to become an every day player.

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