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For Myers, It Comes Down To Sunday

Today in the Daily News, Paul Hagen writes about Brett Myers’ start yesterday, a 7IP, 0 ER performance against the Nationals.

He writes:

In some ways, Myers was in a lose-lose situation last night. If he didn’t pitch well, the wolves would be nipping at his heels, demanding that he be removed from the rotation at once and maybe be made to stay after school and clean the erasers as well.

If he did, the cynics would be quick to say, sure, but he did it against a Nationals lineup that had scored a total of two runs in its previous four games, batting .133 as a team in the process. A team that has been shut out 15 times already this season. The only club in the National League to have scored less than 400 runs going into last night.

So all eyes will be on Myers when he makes his next start, Sunday in St. Louis. In the meantime, though, allowing just one unearned run on four hits defused what could have been a tense situation, which allowed him to talk freely about his hellish season.

This was a good start, just like Wednesday night was a cautious start. Hagen is right that all eyes will be on him Sunday night, but I see Sunday as the true indicator. If Myers goes out Sunday night, pitches seven and gives up a run, maybe two, we know we’re getting something better out of Myers.

But if he struggles Sunday, and if I’m Charlie Manuel, I shouldn’t be afraid to pull the plug yet again on the Myers carousel. A game like Sunday’s is a game the Phils will be playing 50 more times until the season ends, and they can’t afford much less than quality.

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  1. Tom G

    July 30, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Trade Myers today for Andy Sonenstein…both have struggled, but the move would allow Myers to move to the Closer spot, improving the overall Rays pen while allowing the Phils to insert a young arm in the roation…win/win…

  2. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 11:32 am

    I think that the “Quality-Start”

    At least 6 Innings and no more than 3 Runs allowed, needs to be the bench mark for starting pitchers for the rest of the season…

    If a guy goes more than 6 innings, and holds the other team to less than 3 runs… its not his fault if they lose that game..

  3. Gavin

    July 30, 2008 at 11:44 am

    I have felt for a while that the Phillies will only improve if Rollins and Myers take on greater roles and step up their games. If they do that we dont need to make any trades.

  4. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 11:45 am

    sadly, id actually make that trade. maybe add some prospects here and there to fill in

  5. Jeff

    July 30, 2008 at 11:56 am

    gavin i can’t agree more. rollins needs to step up big time and it looks like he’s coming out of his slump.

    has no one else noticed utley’s struggles?? i think that until he turns it around the phillies will have problems scoring runs. hes the bridge between victorino, rollins, and howard, burrell

  6. NEPA

    July 30, 2008 at 11:58 am

    No, Jeff. What are these struggles of Utley’s you speak of??

  7. Jeff

    July 30, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    he didn’t have a hit in his series against the mets (0-12). 0-16 until a hit in the 9th when the braves blew out the phillies. last night was his first hr since july 7. those are not chase like numbers

  8. Lewisauce

    July 30, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    I know they said all year that Myers was a starter, and that moving him back to the pen was out of the question. But you can’t ignore the current situation. There’s no way they could have predicted that:

    1.) Myers would absolutely suck in the rotation.
    2.) J.A. Happ would pitch his way into contention for the rotation.

    Good teams make internal moves that make sense. Good teams are willing to bite the bullet, go back on what they said six months ago (when they signed their new closer), and make adjustments for a stretch run.

    Gillick and Co. need to at least consider — need to at least talk to Brett — about being a setup guy. It’s not what he wants, but neither is starting, and they can spin it to him as an audition for a closer’s role with another team next year (if they can get a trade done in the off season).

    If he’s lights-out on Sunday against St. Louis (pretty good offensive team), then maybe he stays in the rotation for now. (Maybe Blanton continues to suck as well, in which case, Happ takes his job.) But Brett was a pretty good closer last year, so he should be a pretty good eighth-inning man. The Phillies need to at least have this conversation.

  9. Richie Allen

    July 30, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    I still think Utley is injured,maybe not seriously,but hampered somewhat…He will be fine
    Myers should be held to the quality start criteria,Don m is right…thats it
    Rollins hasnt been Rollins all year..I dont get it with him…but he needs to step up now.

  10. Lewisauce

    July 30, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Wow. Thanks for letting us know that Utley is struggling. No one on here could see it until now.

    How is Ryan Howard doing at the plate this year, Jeff?

    While you’re at it, have you noticed anything odd about Jimmy Rollins’ attitude this year?

    Please enlighten us.

    (I don’t mean to be a prick, but come on, dude. Do we sound like the average WIP caller?)

  11. Jeff

    July 30, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    i was just at a phils game and every fan was cheering utley on like he was hitting .315 again. everyone’s ripping rollins and howard wen lately utley has been the one struggling. utley has been my favorite player for a couple years and maybe that’s why i’ve been watching him closer than the others.

    howard last time i checked has been hitting pretty well lately. top 5 in the NL in hrs, rbis. in the last month he’s raised his average 20 points. so i’d say lately he hasn’t been doing too bad. he was bad at the start, but honestly without him this past month we wouldn’t be only .5 game back of the mets…it’d be much worse.

    and yeah right now ur sounding like that average caller especially with that myers as the set up guy. he cant be a full time bullpen guy he gives up too many home run balls. putting him back there this year only screws him up for next year and we’ll have the same discussion next year.

    and happ has had 2 starts. i’d like to see a lil more before i consider him rotation material. and a division race seems like a rough place to throw him in to

  12. Richie Allen

    July 30, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Lewis…dont think you need to get nasty with Jeff…he can say what he wants,,I say ban lewisause

  13. Jeff

    July 30, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    and if you’ve been watching games you would have noticed howard is having much better at bats this past month. his biggest problem is his fielding…its just terrible.

  14. Jeff

    July 30, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    thanks richie

  15. Griffin

    July 30, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    Happ should be the lefty in the pen, not a starter. I know everyone hates Myers right now, but Happ isn’t the answer in the rotation.

    Unless the bats come around, it doesn’t even matter who is starting.

  16. Gary B

    July 30, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Griffen: Unless the bats come around, it doesn’t even matter who is starting.

    That statement I think sums up all the chatting on this blog for the past month. Well done.

  17. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    I have this theory that the offense can only hit when they’re trailing. Look at the Phillies last year. If one of their pitchers throws a gem, they waste it by forgetting their bats.

  18. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    thats a pretty damn good theory… like when the other team scores a lot.. we do to… which is why you haven’t seen the Phillies win-or-lose to many blowout games this year..

    When Hamels is on the mound we should be winning these games like 5-2, 6-2… our lineup was supposed to break scoring records and stuff this yer

  19. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    well how is it going to break scoring records when you replace aaron rowand with geoff jenkins?

    they improved at 3b with helms, yes, but thats isnt NEARLY making up for those rbis that rowand had.

    they have NOT replaced that. look at his numbers last year and tell me where those runs are coming from between feliz and jenkins?

  20. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Feliz will end up with almost as many RBI’s as Rowand had.

  21. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Actually, no he won’t because he’s on the dL. He would have though. Jenkins will hit as many as Helms had.

  22. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    They didn’t replace Rowand with Jenkins… they replaced Rowand (the Centerfielder) with Victorino.. and they replaced Victorino with Werth/Jenkins… and they saved a ton of money for Pitcher this off-season in the process

  23. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    im pretty sure victorino feliz and jenkins dont combine to those rbis/hr numbers still, i could be close on that one thoguh.

  24. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    If they had Rowand they would probably be just as good offensively, but have WAY LESS MONEY to spend this year in the offseason.

    Look at Rowand vs. Victorino offensively…

    and if you have lots of time.. compare them in any format and see who ranks higher, I’m willing to bet that Victorino gives you 5x the production for the amount of money they pay him. and at least gives you a chance to sign a pitcher long-term this year instead of paying all the money to Rowand

  25. KM

    July 30, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    myers could win his next 10 starts and i would still want to deal him. he is a cancer, let him go close for a team with his below average fastball.

    i would make the sonenstine deal, but i sincerely doubt the rays are desperate enough for a closer to take on myers. they are better off waiting on percival to get healthy, and use wheeler and balfour in the mean time.

  26. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    shane victorino is not going to hit 30hr and drive in 100 runs. hes a fine player when hes on top of his game but hes not going to drive that many runs.

    ill look at it shortly and ill let you know.

    besides, im all in favor of a sheets signing or locking up hamels, but this ONLY works if thats what they end up doing. the eagles always do that, save money now and not spend it later.

  27. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Myers had his fastball clocking in at 94 last night from what I saw… and he brought his two-seemer back.

    Rowand has 1 more Home Run than Victorino does this year… and people can say all they want about this ballpark being so small and stuff, but its still about overall production.. and Victorino is close to, if not better than Rowand is production this year.. and he’s definitely above him in what you get for your money

  28. philsphan

    July 30, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    I thought that Happ would be this year’s Kendrick before the season started, because I heard he was hurt last year. Of course I also thought that Myers was going to have a good year back in the rotation.

  29. LCMRSalazar

    July 30, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    I was at the game last night in DC, and Myers showed that he’s still has his stuff. Yes, granted he pitched to the the worst team in baseball right now However, given the fact he’s being scrutinized on practically every pitch, I think he could be on the mend. HOWEVER, if he washes out on Sunday against St. Louis, why not put Happ in the line up and Myers as the set up man for Lidge? Reason I say this is because Myers’ trade value has only gone down since the beginning of the season, and I don’t want Mr. Gillick to “settle” on someone in return if Myers’ is going to be sent elsewhere.

  30. atsil

    July 30, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Myers has no idea where his pitches are going
    As seen by two hit batsmen and his catcher jumping all over the place.

  31. Whisky Priest

    July 31, 2008 at 3:21 am

    Hey Jeff, I’m pretty sure that NEPA was being sarcastic (and mightily so) when he said, “No, Jeff. What are these struggles of Utley’s you speak of??” We’ve all seen what a shitbox two months he’s been having.

    That being said, Myers is our best bet in the rotation unless we lock up some unknown hammer-of-god arm that happens to be on the trading block out there… if anyone has a hint, I suggest you email Gillick about it immediately at OfftoSeattlewithHookers@won’

    Happ was so-so in his two starts, but he’s no rotation man. He and C. Durbin can be the rockstars of the NL bullpens together. It’ll be nasty!

    By the way, did anyone notice some spark tonight? Against an ace, no less?

    Finally, I’ll say that Eaton moving down is the best $8 million decision that the Phils have ever made with regards to their farm club.

  32. Whisky Priest

    July 31, 2008 at 3:28 am

    … also, with regards to the Victorino/Rowand situation: the Flyin’ Hawaiian ain’t never crashed through an infielder resulting in a major DL stint; additionally, he’s got a cannon instead of a throwing arm and a set of retardedly fast legs.

    And out of curiousity, what’s Sal Fasano been up to?

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