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Gamenight: Phillies (57-49) At Nationals (38-68)

The Phillies continue their three-gamer in Washington, D.C. with a match against Tim Redding and the Nats.

Seeing Redd: Tim Redding is the No. 1 Phillie Killer, the B.A. Baracus of the team of guys who openly throttle us on a regular basis. He has pitched 13.1 shutout innings against the Phils this season, giving up eight hits while walking five. If the Phils decide to take pitches …

Iron Ryan: Ryan Howard has a consecutive game streak of 221 games, longest in baseball.

Flawless Final: After last night’s win, the Phillies are 46-0 when leading after eight innings.

Phillies: Jamie Moyer (9-6) 3.76 ERA
Nationals: Tim Redding (7-5) 3.98 ERA

Gametime: 7:10 p.m. EST
Weather: 88, cloudy
Lineup: Rollins/Victorino/Utley/Howard/Burrell/Jenkins/Bruntlett/Ruiz/Moyer

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Your gamenight beer: Affligem Blond is a Belgian beer, really my favorite nation for beer. It’s yellow/gold, very light and has somewhat of a banana lace smell. Can’t beat that combination. When facing a guy who has baffled you all season, you need to rethink strategy, take your time, focus on every little pitch. That makes Affligem Blond a nice beer for tonight. For a food pairing, I’d go with clams.

Go Phillies!

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  1. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    The Marlins are in strong talks about Manny. Isn’t that lovely?

  2. Mike T.

    July 30, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Man, what a great day on this blog. A re-cap: First, the Phillies will not be making any significant moves prior the the deadline. Yes, they will sign junk in the waver pool. Second, CBP has great food, but it’s way too pricey. And yes, the profits from concessions and memorabilia is gigantic. Yet, the owners simply refuse to open the bank up for acquisitions. Any solution? As Geoff said, “Ed Snider/Comcast buys the team and opens up the war chest for the payroll.” Also, I think Tim actually deleted someones ridiculous post – that’s a step in the right direction, Tim. Next, have Brian write a program for a user registration. Lastly, Pudge Rodriguez for Kyle Farnsworth? Kyle Farnsworth? Are you fucking kidding me? Where were we on this?

  3. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Yeah, I would have given them Seanez and Condrey for fucking Pudge.

  4. Mike T.

    July 30, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    Tim Redding owns the Phils. We should just trade for him and end that whole thing.

  5. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    I already suggested that Mike T. haha Trade for him and then trade him to some shitty AL team.

  6. Derek

    July 30, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    He would fit….all the marlins do is hit home runs and play bad defense….and all manny does is hit home runs and play bad defense

  7. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    haha, yeah but Manny hits home runs better than them.

  8. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    I just got unlazy and looked up Farnsworth stats. Seanez and Condrey are having a better year. WTF was Gillick thinking on that one?!

  9. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    you know where we were mike? pat gillick,AGAIN, fo rlike the 5th time in the past month or so, caught ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL AGAIN!!!!

    let me reiterate: kyle farnsworth SUCKS! we have guys that suck to give the tigers, like geoff jenkins. the tigers wouldve taken carlos ruiz straight up and gillick, again, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

    if youre “going for it” like montogmery said they were, arent you getting pudge rod to provide veteran leadership down the stretch?

  10. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    what does washington want for him? a few crappy prospects, ill do that.

    i know thatll piss don off, but again, pat gillick sitting onhis ass doing nothing, which is exactly what hes told to do. nothing!

  11. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    I am officially about to stop liking the Phillies since our FO sucks.

  12. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    5:56pm: Baseball Prospectus’ John Perrotto has multiple baseball sources saying the Red Sox are on the verge of sending Ramirez to Florida for three players, including outfielder Mike Stanton.

  13. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Wow, they’re going to get Manny at a steal. I’d take Manny for a steal too.

  14. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    by the way, the florida marlins are about to get manny ramirez for a three man package.

    i didnt want manny anyway, but its always nice NOW that the marlins have him, hell kill us when we play them down the stretch.

    i wanted holliday, they say no, i want jason bay/raul ibanez, they say no. well what do you get? some waived piece of trash in august? hahahaha

    they know that the fans will be pissed if they sit on their ass and theyll still do it because they know youll sitll come to the ballpark, buy their aramark food and stand in line for 4 innings just to get a bucket of crab fries. ahahahaha

  15. Mike T.

    July 30, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    Manny to Florida doesn’t bother me. They need pitching more than we do – they’ll fall off at any moment.

  16. phils

    July 30, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    well that sucks but the marlins need pitchng more then manny.

  17. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    i want to see jimmy rollins get pulled in the middle of the game and told on tv that hes been traded. priceless.

    at this point, im desperate for them to get roy halladay, you know what? fuck it

    carlos carrasco, shane victorino, jason donald, antonio bastardo, fabio castro, BOOM. get me roy halladay i dont care what it costs. i wouldnt even be pissed if they traded lou marson, yes, thats a flip flop, but i dont care because its ROY HALLADAY. who cares? you want to win? show me. otherwise im accuring the front office of criminal theft.

  18. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    i want to win something. if theyre not going to go for it then trade everyone off for prospects again. im tired of this fucking shit

  19. Rob Cowie

    July 30, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    We have been kicking around having those viewers who wish to post comments to register with the site. Though, at the present time, we are going to keep the posting requirement as is. A few idiots shouldn’t deter those who enjoy reading/posting here at Philliesnation.

    Also, there are only two spots left for our trip to D.C. So, if you’d like to go purchase your spots now!!!

    Go Phils!

  20. phils

    July 30, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    thats why i love the flyers they go for it every year and not do anything when they need something.

  21. Rich Harden

    July 30, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    I hate Pat Gillick, he isnt as active in the market as he should be. Way too conservative for a team going for it all.

    I like Bruntlett starting at third over Dobbs.

    Moyer is going to rock these guys to sleep.

    Howard goes yard.

    Phils win 8-3.

    Manny to Florida would be intense. If that happens I can guarantee that the Mets would push real hard for Bay and then we stay put or something. But yet we would still win the division IMO. One player can only do so much. I was reading today that Bartolo Colon won 10 games after the trade deadline for the Expos way back when but they finished an additional half game back to end the year.

  22. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    i love the flyers more than any team. the phillies are a close second. i played hockey since age 5, played baseball for a few years but im getting back into playing it again now. i was raised on teh flyers and that owners does NOT tolerate failure. sure they havent won in ages but they go for it all the time. that team is SOLID going forward and i cant wait.

    dont ou wish ed snider owned the phillies? that guy doesnt f around. awesome pro sports owner. he hates being embarrassed. they finished last, the flyers, then, BOOM, turnaround all the way to the final 4 this year, fired/gutted the front office and now theyre ready to roll.

  23. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    If Snider owned the Phillies right now we would be WS favorites.

  24. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    I hope the Phillies have been watching extensive video on him for the past few days.

  25. phils

    July 30, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    snider is the best owner in the history of philly peroid.

  26. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    the rays pirates talks for bay stalled today, now its time to swoop in there:

    carlos carrasco, antonio bastardo, jason donald, fabio castro for jason bay and john grabow

  27. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Yes, I just extended my MLB beat the streak to 7 games! haha I picked Victorino to get a hit tonight!

  28. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Geoff, it’s not happening. Gillick is too dumb.

  29. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    at this point, who cares? do we know these prospects are going to pan out? i think marson will but i have no idea about the rest of them after recent developments.

    someone in that FO has to grow some balls and say, you know what? lets go for it

  30. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    Werth for Trever Miller or JP Howell? I think not. If Colorado wants several prospects for Brian Fuentes, we should be able to get MUCH more value for Werth.

  31. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    i know it wont happen but this is why the phillies fail like every year, n balls, dont want to spend money, etc. im going to check developments of trade activity….

  32. phils

    July 30, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    the redsox might have intrest in werth if they deal manny and they have some good pitching to give us in there farm.

  33. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    This trade deadline is garbage. We’re going to end up with only Joe fucking Blanton while the Angels get Teixera(not that we needed him), the Yankees get Pudge, Nady, and Marte(needed all 3), and the Marlins possibly get Manny. WTF GILLICK!

  34. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!! They’re hitting Redding!

  35. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Too bad this is probably the only inning they will, and they won’t score any runs.

  36. phils

    July 30, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    com on the yankees always get good players and the marlins are renting manny the fish have no pitching so im not concernd ther.

  37. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    The Fish have 4 #2’s…no definitive ace. PAT THE BAT!!! 2-0!!!

  38. phils

    July 30, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    we have a 1.5 in hamels and 4 #3

  39. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    4 #3’s are you serious? And Hamels is a #1

    Get off my team Jenkins. Way to kill a rally.

  40. phils

    July 30, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    rohdes to flordia could be also comming tommrow along with gregg zaun

  41. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    We have 4#4’s and 1 of those #4’s has the potential to be a #2 and one of them is pitching like a #2.

  42. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Marlins are having a win now attitude, unlike the Phillies.

  43. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Mets are already winning.

  44. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    hamels is a 1.5, exactly, hes too mortal but hes only 25 so hell get better. then we have two numbers 5s and two numbers 4’s in the current rotation

  45. phils

    July 30, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    the fish will hang around but they wont go anywhere

  46. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Hamels is 24

  47. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Wow, already…that’s nice.

  48. phils

    July 30, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    shit willie harris are u kiding me

  49. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    that means im allowed to call hamels a kid because hes a year younger than me.

  50. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    6:24pm: MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro is hearing about a three-way deal that would also send Jason Bay to the Red Sox.

  51. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Hamels is exactly 2 days older than me, so I can’t call him a kid I guess.

  52. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Pat Gillick should be fired right now for letting all of this happen.

  53. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    three way deal: bay to the red sox as part of the manny deal? mlbtr

    when i lived in pittsburgh, i called jason bay to the red sox THREE years ago. how about that?

  54. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    If I were the Marlins I’d just snub the Sox and get Bay.

  55. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    don..you see why we hate gillick? he sits around and allows teams to make good deals for clutch players while he does nothing. sometimes hell even come out and say: no, we have no interest in kyle lohse anymore, sorry. etc

  56. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Wow, Moyer imploded…1st time in like what, 10 games?

  57. phils

    July 30, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    o god moyers done

  58. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Lovely. We will lose this game. Maybe it would be a tie game if that douche bag Jenkins didn’t kill a rally.

  59. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    ahaha, moyers collapse starts right now. like clockwork. get him out of there right now…JA Happ takes his spot in the rotation, make him retire immediately and trade for roy halladay

  60. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Geoff, you’re being a dick. Hamels imploded the other day. Let’s trade him for a bag of balls.

  61. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    wow moyer is good!

  62. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    I love how Moyer has 10 incredible outings in a row and now everyone is saying make him retire and that he can’t pitch.

  63. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    hes groowing meatballs right over there plate

  64. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    hamels is 24. that, kid, is allowed time to develop. moyers had his time, now its time to call him coach

  65. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Yeah, and when was the last time you’ve seen him do that this season? The beginning of May? Come on dude…it happens sometimes. I’m sure Halladay, Lincecum, Volquez, etc. have done that in a game or 2 this season. Halladay let up 7 to the Cubs in 3 innings. It’s bound to happen here and there. Moyer has been pitching great for us this year.

  66. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    im partially joking. partially.

  67. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    I agree with Phil. It’s ridiculous when fans react and come up with trades based on emotions rather than intellect. Trade everyone, fire everyone, retire everyone. They can’t be perfect all the time, and even *stars* have bad years/streaks. It makes no sense to trade away the farm or roster for a two month rent-a-player. Oh, and for those who say “we’ll get two #1 draft picks out of it” think about that for a second. How long before those #1’s are major league ready, and we all know the percentages aren’t very good that they will even reach the majors.

  68. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    RUIZ GOT A HIT HOLY SHIT!

  69. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    comparing moyer to halladay is plain stupid

  70. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    both of these pitchers canceled each others hexing powers out, so there gonna be some offense tonight

  71. NEPA

    July 30, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Ruiz single, this calls for a celebration. Lou Marson who?

  72. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Okay Rollins, step it up right here.

  73. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    I wasn’t comparing Moyer to Halladay. I was saying every pitcher implodes. I’m sure you’re a Muts fan. Look at your old man pitcher. Moyer is having a MUCH better year than that broken down has been.

  74. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Phil, I was pickin’ up what you were puttin’ down, and I agree.

  75. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    id actuallly wait to pull jimmy to tell him hes traded until hes at the plate, just to humilate him and teach this team a lesson

  76. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    I am a Phillies fan and have been since the mid 70s. But I call it like i see it. Why do you accuse everyone of being a Met fan if they disagree with you? That is a piss poor defensive arguement.

  77. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    wow, a scoreless inning! i smell a longterm contract brewing

  78. phils

    July 30, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    hamels is not hurt with a fracture in his elbow his velocity would have droped along with his arm slot.

  79. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    old men can’t pitch, you’re saying Moyer sucks when he’s been solid this year. Only Muts fans do that usually. Well, Muts fans and Geoff.

  80. Rick

    July 30, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Jeez guys. . . There’s a lot of game left. Remember last weekend??? Who has the better bullpen? They’re the friggin’ Expos for God Sake!

    BTW – Heard something on Eskin today about a Hamels injury? Likely you guys have been posting about this already and I missed it. Anyone know anything? Anyone???? Buller??? Buller???

  81. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    show me where i said “moyer sucks.” i said comparing moyer to halladay is stupid. if that has gotten you up in arms, then you need to remove your rose colored glasses, my phriend

  82. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    I’m sure it’s just to bail Hamels out for his piss poor performance the other night. He’s not injured.

  83. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    I never compared Moyer to Halladay. Your avatar says it all though. Old men can’t pitch to me=Jamie Moyer sucks. Maybe I shouldn’t assume.

  84. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    whered that come from about hamels?

  85. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    SUP GIRLS… here is the ESPN link to the story about the Pudge trade.. and some quotes from it that make sense!

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3511535

    Farnsworth is 1-2 with a 3.65 ERA this season. Farnsworth pitched for the Tigers for the first four months of 2005, compiling a 2.32 ERA in 46 games before he was traded to the Braves at the trading deadline.

    “Another team wants me. That’s the way I look at it,” he said. ” They [the Tigers] know my reputation. They know what type of person I am.”

    The departure of Farnsworth creates a void in the eighth inning for the Yankees. When Joba Chamberlain moved into the starting rotation and gave up that role, Farnsworth eventually stepped in and had been effective.

    “He’s been throwing the ball great and it’s great to see the things he’s done to make himself better, but it’s a business and you have to understand that,” Chamberlain said.

    Tigers slugger Gary Sheffield said the trade made sense to both sides.

    “This is a surprise to people if they don’t know the situations of the players,” he said. “Both teams get better by this, and that’s what a trade is supposed to be all about.”

    Who were the Tigers going to take from the Phillies… while at the same time we’re trying to add guys to our bullpen to make it stronger?? Just wondering…

  86. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    it’s an embellishmnet, that i’ll agree with. and maybe i assumed when i read “Halladay let up 7 to the Cubs in 3 innings. It’s bound to happen here and there. Moyer has been pitching great for us this year.” to me, that sounds like you’re saying moyer is on par with halladay, which even you can understand is untruthful

  87. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    We need a lefty to make our pen stronger, Don. Seanez and Condrey are expendable.

  88. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Phil im with you though… Geoff has been saying all year the Moyer should, and will retire… in the meantime, he’s the 2nd best pitcher we have. When other pitchers get rocked its no big deal, because people realize that not everyone has their best stuff every night.

    He pitches nasty, gets no run support…then gives up some early runs in a game and people are calling phor his head..

  89. J-Man

    July 30, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    The Marlins getting Manny?I guess Pat Gillick wants the Phils to lose this year.

  90. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Yeah, I’m not dumb. Moyer in his prime wasn’t as good as Halladay. What I was trying to prove is that even the best pitchers in the game get lit up from time to time. Of course it will happen to Moyer too.

  91. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    i was JOKING, cant you tell?

  92. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    it means don, that your man-love-man-crush-man-love pat gillick got caught asleep again

  93. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    I wouldn’t bash Moyer if he had a 5.00 ERA. The guy is 45, he helps our young guys, and he keeps us in ballgames. Even last year he kept us in the game. Moyer has been great for us this year, and it’s one of my few qualms with Geoff as a poster. Other than his beef with Moyer he’s one of my favorite posters on this site.

  94. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    haha Flores leads the Nats with 44 RBI’s. That’s sad. Victorino is so great defensively. The phlyin Hawaiian fan club is great too.

  95. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    i respoect moyer a lot but people give his pitching a pass because of that respect. he gives up 5 runs in 3 innings one night? eh no big deal, its jamie…whaaaaaaaat? the man just gave up 5 runs (not tonight, as an example) no excuses apply

  96. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    FISH TIED IT UP!

  97. Rick

    July 30, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Geoff – Howard Eskin said today that Hamels might have a fracture in his elbow. I believe his source was multiple scouts. Who knows the validity of it? I was just wondering if anyone heard anything else about it.

  98. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    you never know with eskin…could be true, if it is… roy hallday

  99. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Yeah, I think if Hamels goes down Gillick will have to go after Halladay.

  100. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    be careful what you wish for, Phil. The Marlins may be the real players in the NL East, not the Mets. You really want to cheer for them to win?

  101. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Geoff. you are obviously a closet homosexual.

    Who were the Phillies going to trade to get Pudge in return? you forgot to answer that as you were typing how much I

  102. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    Phuck the Marlins.. they are smoke and mirrors this year

  103. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    I already answered it for you Don M.

  104. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    If the Muts lose and we win we’re back in 1st at least.

  105. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    If Hamels has a fractured elbow.. this season is in the shitter…. Adding a pitcher to replace him will still make you a pitcher-short heading into the postseason

  106. Jeff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    the washington nationals should never score 3 runs in an inning…or prolly a game for that matter.

    with that said if the phils can’t score 4 off the nationals then they don’t deserve to win…it is the nationals

  107. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    I wish that ball would have hit his fucking hand. IT’s the only way he would have gotten on base.

  108. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    and Don, you don’t think the Mets are, with Carlos Delgado and Fernando Tatis hitting .400 in July, or Mike Pelfrey pitching like Tom Seaver?

  109. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    obviously not…the point is the tigers GAVE HIM AWAY. kyle farnsworth is HORRIBLE. id have gvien them ruiz in a flash, or even a few prospects. mid-level prospects because they GAVE Him away

  110. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Clay Condrey and Rudy Seanez are not 8th inning setup men… Farnsworth ain’t great, but I sure wouldn’t mind having him on the phillies.

    And if they would have taken those guys, im sure we would be watching Pudge in Pinstripes tomrw night

  111. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Pelfrey pitching like Tom Seaver. hahaha I like the analogy. Yeah, Tatis and Pelfrey will not carry that team the rest of the year. The Marlins will fail because of their defense and inabilit to hit anything but a home run. Jenkins got a hit. Wow.

  112. Jeff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    so jenkins just got a hit…i almost passed out.

    which deserves more of a celebration jenkins with a hit or ruiz?? haha

  113. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    and I agree with Jeff

  114. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    I’m sure Gillick didn’t even pick up the phone to call.

  115. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    tatis needs to be tested again

  116. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Jenkins with a hit. More is expected of him than Ruiz.

  117. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Ugh. This offense is horrible.

  118. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    I bet you Pat Gillick isn’t making moves because he has a horrible cell phone plan and doesn’t want to use up all of his minutes.

  119. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    I think we have to show more respect to the Marlins. No one saw them coming in 2003 and look what happened. Now they have Johnson back, they have Anibal Sanchez coming back, Olsen and Nolasco have been very good, and the offense scores a ton. I think they’ll be in it until the end

  120. Rick

    July 30, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    I think if Cole goes down, we finish 500. And Eskin did make a point to state that it was in Hamels throwing arm elbow too. We’ll just have to see if anything more comes up about it. Stupid MASN on mlb.tv sux!

  121. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Yeah, their pitching is better than anyone is willing to get them credit for. They have 4 #2’s.

  122. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    I think the Mets blow too..

    Geoff… YOU and I would gladly give them shitty prospects for the Hall-of-Fame catcher… but that doesn’t mean thats what the Tigers want in return..

    When everyone in their organization realizes that it was a good trade “for them” then what can we say about it. To get Pudge, we would have had to give them bullpen pieces, meanwhile, we’re trying to strenthen our bullpen before the deadline, not give some of it away..

  123. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    If the Marlins win tonight, they show they are the true players on the NL East. They went to Chicago and held their own, and now could take 2 of 3 from the Mets. Meantime they’ve beaten us plenty and we can’t beat the Mets. Time to show credit where credit is due.

  124. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    thats what they got in return….shit

    kyle farnsworth is shit

  125. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    and now the Fish have a 3-1 lead. I’m telling you guys, watch out for these Marlins.

  126. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Their entire pitching staff is guys that are FULL OF POTENTIAL… none of them have pitched in a playoff race or a big game before.

    I think the Marlins finish 10 games out of 1st place in the East.. and I think the Phillies (as long as someone is kidding about Hamels) and the Mets battle to the end, but the Mets bullpen is terrible

  127. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    The Marlins have nothing to lose, that’s why they’re playing their hearts out. They’re a bunch of kids.

  128. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    appearantly Geoff hates Kyle Farnsworth, and the old man hater, loves the fish

  129. Phil

    July 30, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Yeah, but real baseball starts on August 1st ,which Don has pretty much already pointed out. The Phillies are kings at playing down the stretch.

  130. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Marlins just took the lead 3-1. Both Willingham and Hermida are still in the lineup for all you “Manny trade” folks.

  131. Jeff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    who enjoyed dan uggla’s showing in the all star game? and when i say showing i mean worse fielding that ryan howard. besides blowing the game for the nl in the field and at the plate i thought it was hilarious

  132. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    C’mon, Don. Experience isn’t the only thing that makes a team a winner. You could criticize the Marlins the same way in 2003 but they went on to beat the Yankees to win it all. It’s going to be August in 2 days and the Marlins are still right in the thcik of things. If they haven’t faded yet, I don’t think they’re going to. This team is for real and it’s time to take notice.

  133. Fred

    July 30, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    I guess this trade proves teams can be BUYERS and SELLERS in the same trade.

  134. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Geoff at some point you need to come the realization that not every trade that another team makes, is the one that your team should have made.

    Carlos Ruiz is not the problem this year… and the Phillies have stated over and over that they want to improve the bullpen which, stay with me here, is CRUCIAL to late-season success..

    So to weaken what you are trying to strengthen would not be a smart move for this team… but by all means, tell me how so-and-so sucks and Gillick was sleeping or something

  135. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Er…I mean 4-1 with a runner on 2nd.

  136. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    The Phillies are kings of playing down the stretch, because of one year Phil?

  137. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Man, I can’t keep up with the Fish. Josh Johnson just doubled to help his own cause 5-1 Marlins with 2 out and a runner on 2nd.

  138. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Yankees gained a catcher which they needed…. but have no 8th inning setup man … which is going to hurt them since their pitching sucks balls

  139. Jeff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    phils always played well down the stretch…just most years they were so far behind they couldn’t catch up to the division or wild card leader. this is gonna be a fun race to watch. marlins can’t field, mets have no bullpen, phils have a hole in the rotation and an inconsistent lineup but i still think they have the best lineup in the division

  140. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    i realize that don. thts obvious but i see opportunities squandered regularly by pat gillick and this FO

  141. Rick

    July 30, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    holy shnikees! Another hit by Ruiz!

  142. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    what is ed wade doing? getting latroy hawkins? why. hahahha

  143. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    it’s going to come down to which team wants it more, and i have a hard time believing any team is going to want it more than the upstart, exuberant Marlins. don’t we knock the Phillies for being so complacent this year? that’s not exactly the type of characteristic a team needs to win a division.

  144. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Holy shit! Two singles in one game for Ruiz? What the hell got into him?

  145. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Old Man with his, loose skin, and old balls…gross…

    I think in something like each of the past 3 seasons, the phillies have had the best “2nd half” record.. sounds like they have been pretty good at playing down the stretch to me.

    and everyone respects what the marlins do year in and year out.. but you have to admit that they don’t have big game experience, and that COULD hurt them as the pressure starts to mount

  146. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Come on J Roll

  147. Jeff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    thats the j-roll we need to see more of

  148. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    He’s a double machine in the clutch

  149. phils

    July 30, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    that was nice jroll

  150. Don M

    July 30, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    are you once again talking about the “opportunities” that were Trading the farm for the CC Sabathia rental… or for the injury-prone Harden, who has pitched GREAT so far, but has helped the Cubs win how many so far?

  151. NEPA

    July 30, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Yea, great piece of hitting there. They need to make this at least 5-3 at this point. Those 2 baserunners, at least, need to make their way home. This coupled with the Mets getting beat up made for a good ten minutes or so.

  152. Rick

    July 30, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    J-Roll with a 2b… Geoff should they tell him now or during his next at-bat?

  153. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    well, if that’s the case, Don, the Phils better start picking it up – especially against the Mets and Marlins, you we’re a combined 8-14 against this year.

  154. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    cc sabathia has 3 complete games in a month and a half for a surging team

  155. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    they should come and PULL HIM OFF THE BASEPADS. send mike cervenak out there to tell him and replace him.

  156. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    shane victorino is off the trade hook. hes can stay

  157. NEPA

    July 30, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    That’s what I’m talking about. Beautiful.

  158. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Nice hitting, damn, I’m falling in love all over again..

  159. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    that double by J-Roll doesn’t count – Geoff traded him last at-bat. Runners back to their respective bases…

  160. Jeff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    great hitting by victorino!!

    that throw by millidge shows y this is the washington nationals…that was more lo duca’s fault though

  161. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    What happened to Paul Lo Duca?

  162. CZ

    July 30, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Hooooowaaaaaahh!

  163. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    WHAT A BOMB!

  164. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Nice to see Chase back. Word.

  165. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    YES!

  166. Jeff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    jeez it looked like a pop fly…that ball just traveled

  167. NEPA

    July 30, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Wow they are carrying tonight. It didn’t seem like T-Mac or Milledge thought that was getting out and it just kept going. Great hitting by the Phils, didn’t see this coming at all.

  168. Julie

    July 30, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    you’re not so tough anymore, Tim Redding

  169. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    On second thought, although it’s nice to see Chase back, it’s nice to see 1st place back, eh fellas?

  170. old men can't pitch

    July 30, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    who needs Manny?

  171. Rick

    July 30, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    HAHA!!! That was probably your funniest post ever, Geoff. You should just stop now while you’re ahead.

    Well so much for the phillie killer Tim Redding. Way to go Utley! I guess that cortisone shot is working wonders???

  172. Jeff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    nothing like playing the nationals to break a slump.

    a sweep here would be nice…get some momentum and make a run. the phils are certainly capable of stringing a bunch of wins together

  173. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Manny: “The Red Sox don’t deserve a player like me.”

  174. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Jeff you’re right. They could put quite a string together in the next few weeks. They face: @STL (3); home against FLA (3) & PIT (3), on the road against LAD (4) & SD (3) before they’re back home against these pesky Nats (3), LAD (4) & Muts (2).

  175. Rick

    July 30, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    I think Jenkins is one of those guys that needs 20-25 ABs a week to be a consistent hitter. He is obviously not suited for a platoon. Have Werth’s numbers versus righties really been that bad?

  176. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Just when you thought Manny was a complete arrogant dick, he makes a comment like that. Lovely. I guess he may be moved yet, although Hermida and Willingham are still in the game. BTW, everything is “fine” with Cole Hamels’ elbow according to the announcers.

  177. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Manny cracks me up.

  178. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    by “fine” they mean pat gillick actually has to get up on his ass and is panicking right now trying to get roy halladay. but then, the owners walk into his office and say, whooooooooa, you WILL give up carlos carrasco for paul byrd. and thats what hell do.

  179. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    We end the regular season going to Atlanta (3) and Florida (3), and then head home against Atlanta (3) and Nationals (3). Out of 12 games, I’d like to think we can take 9 or 10 of them.

  180. NEPA

    July 30, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    ^^^
    Just when you thought Manny was a complete arrogant dick, he makes a comment like that… AND TOTALLY REDEEMS HIMSELF!

    Hopefully someone knows what I’m gettin at.

  181. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    duimb and dumber

  182. NEPA

    July 30, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Haha, nicely done Geoff.

  183. Rick

    July 30, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Stupid mlb.tv! I don’t get the CSN feed dammit! I do somewhat agree with what he said about Pedro and Nomar though. The Sox seem to tarnish a player’s image when they no longer want them. It seems like they do it to turn the fans against the player so there isn’t public outcry when they get rid of them.

  184. Jeff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    we have a lot of games vs the nl west the rest of the year and the nl west is not very good. considering one team is over 500…and that’s by 2 games i think in arizona. phils have the schedule to have a great run to end the year. we gotta beat the marlins though

  185. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    they’ll probably pinch hit for Moyer here, do you think they go with Happ here, or Durbin?

  186. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    happ..cant let him get rusty

  187. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    Why PH for him now?

  188. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    The Angles are smashing the Sox… God I love that.

  189. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    becausehes old

  190. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    well, his spot was due and he’d already thrown 83 pitches. I guess they want him to go one more.

  191. NEPA

    July 30, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Pat the bat baby.

  192. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    that was a quick and efficient inning for Moyer. He may be able to go one more, but the heat and humidity will be the deciding factor.

  193. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Mets just got a 3 run HR. It’s still 5-4 Marlins in the top of the 7th

  194. Rick

    July 30, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    WTF? Why pull Burrell in the double switch? Why not Jenkins? Doesn’t make sense! Burrell just had an assist last inning.

  195. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Has the defensive switch ever paid off?

  196. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    God, these are the only kind of games Ryan Madson should be allowed to pitch in – ones where we have big leads. The guy is WAAAAYYYY overrated. He seems to give up runs when we need him to just hold on.

  197. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    He should have gotten out of that- how is that not an error?

  198. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    What, Werth (our defensive replacement) falling down?

  199. Tim Malcolm

    July 30, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    This is the second of the two Ryan Madson “I forgot how to get guys out” stints.

  200. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    “When they bunt the seventh place hitter [in the 8th inning] it tells you they are going to pinch hit for the pitcher.”

    -Don Sutton, Nationals announcer, mlb.tv, 9:37 pm, July 30, 2008.

  201. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Dan Uggla 2 run HR…Marlins 7-4. And go buy yourself a lotto ticket – Ruiz and Jenkins each with two hits IN THE SAME GAME!!!

  202. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    UGGLA HOMERS!

  203. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Brilliant informative piece by Don Sutton. He apparently sucks as much today as he did with those idiots at TBS in the years past. OH, and Tim I hope it’s the last of his “forgot how to get guys out” stints!

  204. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    What’s up with Bruntlett doing his best Ruiz impersonation tonight (2 x GIDP)?

  205. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    He’s had a bunch of them tonight Jamie… that might not have been the best. I just couldn’t take anymore without sharing the love.

    The Nats broadcast is second rate. Maybe, third rate.

  206. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Danny, that’s some good stuff. I appreciate a good chuckle now and again, especially if it comes at the Muts ‘expense.

    Speaking of which, I fall in love with the Muts bullpen more and more every day…

  207. Chase Mutley

    July 30, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    Joe Smith is my favorite Met.

  208. danny

    July 30, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    LOL

  209. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Chase, he’s my favorite Met right now too. Tomorrow it will be Heilman, I’m thinking.

  210. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    Kevin Gregg is trying to blow it…3 consecutive singles with two outs. Marlins 7-5 with runners on 1st and 2nd.

  211. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    and the red sox get jason bay and john grabow, manny to the marlins plus cash, hermida and 4 prospects ot the pirates.

    asleep at the wheel AGAIN

  212. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Mets lose! Hello 1st place!

  213. Fred

    July 30, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    They pulled Burrell because he’s on his way to Boston.

  214. CZ

    July 30, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Where are those Muts trolls tonight??!?? So confusing…

  215. Chase Mutley

    July 30, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    1st place!

  216. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Geoff, where are you seeing that?

  217. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    mlbtr

  218. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    oh, well, then…it’s bullshit. gammons and others as of a minute or two ago said it’s unlikely because the marlins want boston to give up a prospect along with manny.

  219. NEPA

    July 30, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    I don’t believe any of that shit until its completely finalized.

  220. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    and you think pat gillick is going to do ANYTHING?

  221. pete

    July 30, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    F manny. Bring me halladay

  222. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    as far as manny is concerned? no. nor should he. nor should he give up the farm or other starters just to buy a rent-a-player for two months. if a good deal comes along, by all means take it, but don’t get swindled either. being an MLB GM is a bit harder than you apparently think it is.

  223. Fred

    July 30, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    What do we have that Toronto would want? Utley. Gonna give up Utley for Halladay? Didn’t think so. Better hope for Manny – he’s our best chance at a WS title.

  224. Geoff

    July 30, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    WAKE THE FUCK UP! manny ramirez is NOT cokming here. hjes going to florida tomorrow, pay attention

  225. Jamie

    July 30, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    I disagree. Manny is not our best chance. He would implode this team with his antics and selfish ways.

  226. J-Man

    July 30, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    We it feels good to be back in 1st hopefully we can keep swing the bats and get the sweep tomorrow and continue to play good heading to St.Louis this weekend…The Marlins trading for Manny really isn’t a good trade for them they already got home run hitters that play horrible defense they need pitching.

  227. Fred

    July 30, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Just like he imploded the BoSox to two WS titles.

  228. Paul

    July 30, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Nice to see the Phils t-off on Redding FINALLY. They are doing what they need to do so far against the lowly Marlins… now… go Phils and get the sweep tomorrow!

  229. Steve Spagnola

    July 30, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. This race will go down to the wire. I’m not too sure about the Phillies, but I know the Mets’ schedule is rather meager in strength from this point forward. The NL East will most likely be a rollercoaster ride for Mets, Phillies, and Marlins fans.

  230. Chase Mutley

    July 30, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Fred, do you understand the game of baseball? Do you not understand that we’ve led the NL in runs scored the past two years? Do you not understand that we have THREE players with 25 or more home runs? Our first baseman leading the league in RBIs? What is M. Ramirez going to add to this team that will give us a World Series? We lose games 10-12 instead of 8-12 when Brett Myers and Joe Meatball lose their marbles in the 4th inning? We have, without a doubt, the worst starting rotation of any of the division leaders. So yea, lets give up all of our chips to acquire a hit machine rent-a-player and we’ll waltz into the playoffs with the feared lineup of King Cole (and Jaime Moyer and Kyle Kendrick).

  231. Chase Mutley

    July 30, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Because the 2004 and 2007 Red Sox had everything to do with Manny and nothing to do with Curt Schilling, Pedro Martinez, or Josh Beckett.

    Joe Blanton and J.A. Haap will both have WS rings with Manny in left field, makes total sense.

  232. Fred

    July 30, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    So who do you suggest we get? There isn’t any pitcher of value we’ll get because we have nothing but trash to offer. Better to get someone to stir up this lethargic bunch of underachievers and strikeout artists. Or maybe we should just keep beating the Nats and Braves of this world while getting our butts kicked by any better than average NL team and getting trashed by every AL team. Face it – the Phils aren’t going anywhere.

  233. Chase Mutley

    July 30, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Ok, yea, you just don’t understand baseball. Does this team worry me? Sure. However, THEY’RE IN FIRST PLACE. You’re probably the only person that would describe a first place team as underachievers? What more can you achieve? Super First Place? This team has weaknesses, yes. Hitting isn’t one of them. This offense has been spotty — did you think they would sprint from April to September? This team has lost many more games due to shitty starting pitching than it has from our All-Star second baseman and MVP shortshop fading in and out.

    Who do I suggest we get? A pitcher. Do I know who the best available is and what it will take to get them? Would I like Roy Halliday? Sure. Is it possible? Beats me. I’m not a general manager and neither are you but, I do know that making a move, just to make a move defys all logic and sensibility.

    Your scenario: We trade three top prospects for Manny. We win two more games than we would have because he lights up Billy Wagner. We go to the playoffs. The Chicago Cubs tag Brett Myers for six runs in the first inning of game 2. They follow suit with Blanton in game 3. We exit the playoffs. Manny re-signs with a major-market AL team for 3-years 55 mil. We have an empty farm system and still no pitching. Glad we made that move to really smoke that hot shit NL pitching like Scott Olson and John Maine in 2007.

  234. pete

    July 30, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    trade Toronto happ, carrasco, donald and marson. They need ss and catcher and our 2 best pitching prospects dont hurt. Toronto has ZERO position players in the infield…they wont win with what theyve got and might sell doc to rebuild quickly

  235. Grrrumpy Miner

    July 30, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    Congratulations! The Phils Are In First By 1/2 Game! Wonderful! Celebrate!Rejoi…..Wait,its July 30 NOT September 28th.This Mets/Marlins Series Had a lot of Meaning.SURE My Amazins lost 2 of 3…..BUT Amazins fought back and eventhough they lost,they NEVER gave up and battled to the bitter end.This Mets/Marlins series showed the Marlins are for real,Now with “Manny being Manny” it could lead to a distraction for them or it can put them over the top.The Mets have turned and transformed themselves into a clutch gritty team.The Phillies have a Monster Line-Up when they are on all cylinders,yet the starters are not exactly Cy Young,Tom Seaver,Eddie Mathews,steve Carlton….you get the point.The NL East is going to come down to the last weekend and its going to hurt 2 other teams,…..UNLESS the Brew crew really falter and the NL Central is not as dominant.So Enjoy first but remember……Phils/Mets/Marlins are in for the fight of their lives:and yet whoever wins,deserves to be in the playoffs.

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