Source: Kendrick On Short Leash In 2009 – Phillies Nation

Source: Kendrick On Short Leash In 2009

A source close to Kyle Kendrick has informed me that Kendrick said he has until June to prove himself, or else he’ll be traded.

Obviously, Kendrick isn’t an automatic for the 25-man roster out of Spring Training. Word is he’ll compete with JA Happ and Carlos Carrasco for the fifth-starter spot. Kendrick, 24, struggled in 2008, going 11-9 with a 5.49 ERA.

The source also informed me that Kendrick had a slew of mental hiccups during the 2008 season, which may have veered him off the focus of his job. The source cited a volatile situation, during a road trip in San Diego, where Kendrick seemed emotionally lost. In San Diego, in a start, Kendrick lasted only 3.2 innings, giving up six runs in a 10-7 loss.

Take this all for what it’s worth, but I trust this source, and the idea of Kendrick being on the block by June seems obvious enough.



  1. Chase Andrews

    November 27, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    And if they trade Kendrick, he’ll be looking around for Brett, wondering if it’s all a joke. Here’s hoping he can pull himself together.

  2. KM

    November 27, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    I dont think Kendrick can be an effective pitcher until he develops a 3rd pitch. I’d start him in Triple A, and see what happens. I dont thibk he has much trade value, unless they just toss him in somewhere.

  3. Greg V.

    November 27, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Kendrick has a hard time pitching in pressure situations. Last year he got in a lot of jams and was able to get out of them. I did not really see that this year. If he develops that change up he’s been working on, he should be alright. But having said that, we can’t have him up here stinking up the joint when Carrasco is pitching as he is in the minors. Same story with Happ. I think Kendrick deserves to compete for the spot. But he is not an automatic.

  4. Chris.I

    November 27, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    I never really been a big fan of Kendrick, but I’m totally not against him either for one reason….He kept the ball in the park. Reguardless of his high ERA, and the Offense bailing him out majority of the time, I think he would make a decent reliever. It’s obvious he’s out of a starter role sometime before the Mid season, but I’d still hold on to him. I think overall he has potential to be a good #2, #3 guy sometime in his career.

  5. Mark

    November 27, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    The next Gavin Floyd anyone?

  6. NJ

    November 27, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Can’t compare him to Gavin Floyd. Floyd was a first round bust whereas Kendrick was barely on the radar and his developments been rushed to meet the needs of the organisation. He’ll need to take a couple of steps back and regain his confidence and develop his pitches (hopefully a sharper breaking ball) and hopefully he’ll be back u in the near future, he’s not going to be more than a rotation filler but he can make a career out of it.

  7. MikeB

    November 27, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Nice young pitcher and I would like to see him make it with the Phillies but it all depends whether or not he develops a third type of pitch or more and refines what he does have. He seemed to have lost that snap on his pitches this past season and needs to find that sharpness on the breaking ball. I wish him the best.

  8. Jack

    November 27, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    even though it was all just a joke…. i was really worried what that prank by myers would do to his psyche. it became NATIONAL news and it seemed like he got pretty bothered by the whole ordeal pretty quickly. I’m not saying that was why he sucked, but there’s nothing like starting off on the wrong foot of an 162 game season

  9. Phillies Phan SC

    November 27, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    I am against trading Kendrick until they give him a chance in AAA to develop. I was all for trading Myers last year until he came back, and now I won’t doubt Kendrick until he is given the AAA chance. I have seen him pitch when he is on, and I really think he has the ability. I also agree with KM about a third pitch. I always thought Kendrick had a sinker until the board at CBP kept calling it a slider. I think Kendrick could develop a sinker and slider (vertical drop versus horizontal movement) easily. I just think he should try out in Spring Training, go to AAA for April and they should try him in May if he is ready. I like Kendrick, and I like Myers, but I also agree with Jack; I think the prank played on his mind. We shall see!

  10. Andrew R.

    November 27, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    The thing that he was trying to develop and should continue is a changeup, not a sinker-slider repitoire. When a hitter is up there, and he knows that something hard is coming, it’s much easier to adjust. It certainly doesn’t keep him off balance. Let’s compare Kendrick to Brandon Webb. If you watch Webb, he’ll only throw about 10-15 changeups a game. But the hitters are aware of it, which plays on their psyche. They know he has one, but just when is he going to throw it?

    Also, Brandon Webb really didn’t put it all together until he spent a couple years in the league. His coming out was really in his 3rd year when he was 26. (You can really argue his numbers in his 2nd year, but he obviously had some control issues 119 walks in 208 innings). So he had more time in the minors and majors to develop. Kyle’s still only going to be 24 next year. Good pitchers usually don’t figure it out until they’re about 24, or 25 (look at Brett Myers. he finally started to figure it out when he was 24 and 25).

    Kendrick is still raw. Let him and Happ battle it out for the #5 spot. Carrasco should start in triple-A and really hone is stuff. But trading Kendrick would be a bad call. Who could we get for him? He’s obviously not going to be the center-piece in any deal. He still has quite a bit of potential.

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  12. Mike N

    November 28, 2008 at 1:13 am

    I’ve been thinking about this a bit. I think the Phils organization should invest a little more patience in Kendrick precisely because he’s a sinker-baller, and CBP makes ground-ball pitchers especially valuable to us. So given that you wouldn’t get much for him in a trade, why not let him hang around in triple A, develop the change-up/sinker combo, and maybe become (get back to being?) a real contributor. His potential is worth much more than anything we could get back.

  13. bigbobster

    November 28, 2008 at 9:32 am

    I’ll never forget when Kendrick’s troubles started — I think it was in the middle of a West Coast Swing, in about the third inning of a Dodgers or Padres game, right after Tom McCarthy interviewed Kyle’s dad at the beginning of the inning. Ouch. I agree with a lot of smart observations already stated…batters seemed to be sitting on Kyle’s hard stuff, and it didn’t look like they were biting on his sinker anymore. And his stuff was up, another recipe for disaster. I hate to see the Phils get rid of a guy who posseses so much poise on the mound. A changeup would make Kyle much more effective. Maybe King Cole can work with him!

  14. Chase Andrews

    November 28, 2008 at 9:54 am

    In other news, Phils sign reliever Mike Koplove. Who? Mike Koplove.

  15. Phillies Phan SC

    November 28, 2008 at 10:02 am

    Andrew R.,

    Good point on a changeup. I will say that is a better observation than what i had prior to reading your post. I think the best person to help him on that changeup is Moyer.

    I know Jamie has taught him a lot. I wonder, and this is only a question not an observation, if Kendrick is trying too much to be like Jamie and not like Kyle by pitching the corners. He seemed to change in the middle of the season after a decent start. I am NOT blaming anyone, I just know that if pitchers change and try something new, it can have negative results.

  16. Phillies Phan SC

    November 28, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Chase Andrews,

    I remember the movie Major League when they signed the no-names… We can say the same “Who the f—- is that guy?”

  17. Gabriel

    November 28, 2008 at 10:17 am

    what a slap in double-K’s face if they trade him… the guy gives you a ROY campaign going 10-4 his first year, follows it up with his second year going 10-4 again, then slid the second half, clearly there is potential here just give the kid some time… the offense seemed to enjoy when the Kid was on the mound, bailing him out numerous times, but who cares? he has excellent poise and hopefully this offseason gives him time to recoup that poise… i know it seems as though we have an influx of pitching talent but hey, CC and JA can go south real fast, and w/o the Kid then who else? even putting the thought of a trade in this volatile kid’s mind is a mistake, put him in the pen and let madson have his 2nd shot at starting, wasn’t there one point when madson was going to be our ace? i think he earned the shot to be a starter when he mowed down playoff compitition with a 96 mph fireball. keep kendrick – he is still young and can develop into a nice piece on this team.

  18. PSUjoe

    November 28, 2008 at 10:56 am

    I’m on board with letting him pitch in AAA for some time to let him regain his confidence. He’s only 24 years old so I woldn’t want to give up on him too early. Good point about sinker ball pitchers in CBP.

  19. Don M

    November 28, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Gabriel, I think I disagree with 100% of what you just said..

    starting from the bottom, Madson developed into one of the best setup men in all of baseball, and had such heat on his fastball because his arm is now used to short stints, more frequently.. He never really had it as a starter, but has been very good in the bullpen over the past 3 seasons, and almost as good as it gets over the last 2 months of 2008.

    Kendrick isn’t a young kid anymore, he’s got almost 2 years of experience.. in 50 starts, he has a career 4.78 ERA, 1.46 WHIP, and .294 opponent batting average.

    None of those a “good” numbers. He basically lost his job to JA Happ last year, and now the top pitching prospect in the organization is probably going to be at AAA, with a legit chance to make the team out of Spring Training… Kendrick should realize that his job is on the line, without anyone in the organization having to tell him anything.. and Its not a slap-in-the-face at all, its just how it works.. if you can’t perform, you shouldn’t play. Kendrick was BARELY better than Adam Eaton last year, so you know now both how good he can be (2007), and how bac he can be (2008).

    If he’s not back to good by this year’s trade deadline, it makes sense to move him because other teams always need a 4th or 5th starter.. but we’ll have depth at SP, so he wouldn’t fit that role for us

  20. Georgie

    November 28, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Just curious- who do you think dropped that little bomb on Kendrick? I can’t imagine Charlie giving any of his players an ultimatum like that-shape up by June or you’re out of here? I know it’s the big leagues, but putting pressure on someone who’s already feeling the heat doesn’t seem like the best way to build confidence.

  21. mike

    November 28, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    Don M he is still a yound kid. But he isn’t in my opinion going to get any more velocity or better stuff on what he now throws. The coaching staff has said it more than once if he wants to be a big leaguer for a long time he must be able to throw a change up to lefthand hitters. If he can develop one and its good he can be a starter in the 4-5 type. He right now can’t have much value in a trade.

  22. mike

    November 28, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Don M we have depth at 4-5 starter who? if happ isn’t effective . who is our fifth starter, unproven Carrasco or eaton or swindle, swindle is a brewer, there is no one in the system at triple a and nothing at reading.That is why I would love for this team to sign burnett or lowe, it moves blanton back to 4 or 5 where he belongs instead of three if moyer doesn’t sign. plus two years at 8 million for moyer rather pay 4 years of lowe and next year as I have stated we can make up lowe salary. but not having eaton jenkins and myers.

  23. NJ

    November 28, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    I don’t think things are as dire for Kendrick as is being made out. I don’t see him making the rotation out of ST but I also don’t see him being traded this year unless he has an absolutely dire year in AAA. He’s not young now but he’s certainly not old, he wasn’t a ‘prospect’ and his raw tools aren’t good enough to think there would be much demand for him and he’s done enough and has enough minor league eligability the Phils aren’t going to deal him for the sake of it.

    Unless someone like Baltimore or Pittsburgh are reaching to fill one of several spots in their rotation he doesn’t project as a back-end starter unless he has a good few months in AAA in which we’ll probably see him back up in Philly. Unless someone really wants him their more likely to go after a guys like Al Reyes who have the tools but haven’t put it together.

    Kendrick’s the same age as Tim Lincecum, he’s not going to be more than a rotation filler but he could make a solid career out of it and there’s no reason to put a clock on his time here with so much minor league eligability left.

  24. NJ

    November 28, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Seriously what is this Blanton’s a number 5 all about? He was considered one of the best middle of the rotation men for a good couple of years to the point Oakland tried to groom him into a front of the rotation guy and Cincy tried to deal for him with the pricetag reportedly being Bailey and Votto… Blanton is a legit 3 who had a down year and was not healthy for much of the stretch run. We’re not deep like Chicago or Boston at the top of the rotation but Myers is a number 2 on days he’s not too much in his head. We are ‘deep’ at the bottom of the rotation considering some teams scramble to put together the back-end of their rotation without a choice in major league ready prospects. We have 3 prospects in Kendrick, Happ and Carrasco plus Durbin will likely get a shot if everythings going to hell and I think we all expect a guy with experience both as a starter and reliever brought in to fill the last pen spot, if the 5 spot becomes that much of an issue we’ve probably got bigger issues.

    Can we please stop dreaming on Burnett or Lowe like the organisation is selling us down the water by not commiting to what will be a terrible deal. Every team would love to add another frontline starter and the grass is always greener, even if we signed one of those there would be the same calling for another ‘2’ next year. The teams after those guys are making desperate moves, we’re coming of a World Championship and we need to make start moves. It’s not like the payrolls going down, after arbitration it’s expected to be at a club record.

  25. mike

    November 28, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Your right I forgot a 4 or 5 is a eaton, kendrick , durbin type a guy who gives up 5 runs or better a start and you hope you score ten. Who cares what other teams do. If we go into a season with myers as our number 2 and if you think blanton is a top of the rotation guy well there is nothing anyone could tell you expect look at his numbers, Yes he could be a one or two for the pirates or kansas city but not for a world championship team trying to repeat. We will see where Blanton is this season but remember when he is getting bomb I hope you admit you were wrong Like I did when I said the phillies couldn’t win and Don M said they could. I just don’t get the faith in Myers as a two he had a couple of good starts and some bad starts and scouts will tell you his velocity is down to 89 with no explanintion on why. If you can’t see how much better a burnett or lowe would be in that spot its crazy. Myers will be a free agent next year his 12 million would pay the add contracts. That I have said in the two pitchers mention. plus jenkins and eaton 16 more it is the best thing this team could do expecially if they get less produciton out of left field. keep the runs scored against down and use the bullpen less.

  26. Don M

    November 28, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Age-wise… Kendrick is still young obviously.. but he’s been here for 2 years, so he isn’t a kid anymore.. I should have stated that better. But like NJ says, its not like he’s this great prospect and we’re waiting for him to put it together and carry our team.. the best he’ll ever be is a back of the rotation starter. When Carlos Silva gets $10 M a year a free agent, that is enough to let you know that Kendrick would be desired by some teams, just as someone with experience and a sub-5.00 ERA..

    Like I said from the day we got him, Joe Blanton is better than any #4 any other team has.. or if you want to resign Moyer and call Blanton #3, and Moyer #4… that is still a better 3-4 punch than most teams have..

    Happ showed all year at AAA, and in his limited starts up here that he can pitch (at least as a starter) and I think he’s got more “talent” than Kendrick too. not sure why “starters” struggle out of the pen like that though

    Hopefully Carrasco is lights-out in Spring Training, and HE becomes our #5

  27. mike

    November 28, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Don M only time will tell but fact remains. Blanton still had only 6 of 16 quality starts. and his numbers with oakland hits per innings was not good. Maybe he was hurt but I still don’t see him as a top of the rotation guy or a solid 3,after this season we will know. but I still would like to put a solid 2 in that rotation and lowe and burnett are two who fit the bill. I can’t trust myers as a 2. we have seen him pitch poor and good too inconsistant for a top of the rotation guy. so what I am saying is would you trade myers for either burnett or lowe cause that what we would be doing. plus giving Carrasco more time to develop and hopefully drabek will be closer to the big leagues.

  28. Don M

    November 28, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    I think Burnett sucks.. and I’ve been saying that for a while. I also like Lowe A LOT.. but the Mets WILL NOT LET THE PHILLIES GET HIM. If the Yankees don’t get Sabathia, they’ll outbid the Mets, who will definitely out-bid the Phillies, etc.. There is no chance of Lowe coming here, it sucks, I know.. but it’s not happening, and I realize that already, so that I won’t be pissed when he signs elsewhere.

    Total Number of pitchers in the NL (16 teams) with ERA’s under 3.00 = 4
    with ERA’s under 3.50 = 11
    with ERA’s under 4.00 = 26

    only 26 Starting Pitchers with ERA under yea most #4 or #5 starters aren’t expected to go out and throw “Quality Starts” on a regular basis.. when they do, you usually win those games, but sometimes you don’t …which is How Hamels didn’t win 20 games last year.

    Blanton had a 4.20 with the Phillies.. not great by any means, but solid for your #4 starter.. if he’s the #3 next year, we would obviously need him to be under 4.00 …. but anything under a 4.50 for any starter is “good”.. although a staff full of those guys isn’t going to win many playoff games or anything

  29. NJ

    November 28, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    I’m not saying Burnett or Lowe aren’t very good players but their not going to be Phillies and if it does happen it will be at the cost of other areas of the roster because there’s no way if the Yanks don’t land CC they don’t get Burnett and if he slips past the Yankees and the Orioles or Red Sox don’t give him his money then the Blue Jays will give more years than teams like us or the Braves will be willing (and should be willing) to go to. As for Lowe he’s a fit for several teams who can barely fill a 5 man rotation like the Mets and will be willing to overpay massively for him. I’d like Sheets because he has the talent and his asking price has dropped into the 2nd tier but he’s health is a risk but no more than Burnett who can fan guys but his ERA will be high and I believe he’s seen the DL 10 times in 10 years.

    As for Blanton no-ones said he’s a top of the rotation guy, he’s one of the best middle guys who works fast and can eat innings. Conventially you hope you have a stopper calibre guy in the front of the rotation (Hamels), a number 2 who’s usually a strikeout guy who hasn’t excelled fronting a rotation (Myers) but has the stuff or a power 3 like Hudson or Lowe. You want your 3 to be a guy who’s just tough to hit against who’s going to guarantee you 6/7+ innings each time out without getting shelled (Blanton) and then you hope your number 4 can be solid veteran who’s going to make his starts and keep you in the game so you don’t have to burn too much middle relief (Moyer). the 5 on most teams is a failed guy who’s never managed to put it together and keep his control or slot in another control guy you hope can emulate the guy in front of him.

    The Phils have a small margin of error compared to the payroll on other teams and we have talent in the system to not want to block them with long-term deals for FA’s. Not all teams can and should try to put a rotation together like the Cubs and if you look at the Sox, that’s a lot of homegrown talent there.

  30. mike

    November 28, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    First thing you can’t come on here and say we have talent in the minors. the system is ranked 28 in baseball. Blanton 6 of 16 quality starts isn’t a number three type numbers. At triple a all they had was happ a projected 4-5 starter until carrasco arrived. second burnett had 21 of 33 quality starts, lowe had 21 of 34. myers 15 of 30, blanton6 of 16. but that means nothing. Aj burnett is better 2 than we have and so is lowe .We have a small margin of error in money. Why ?Because of ownership. not because of the market. I know we can’t compete with boston or new york or chicago but Bill Giles and Dave Montgomery. Finally if you are taking about the soxs they put stock in the minors. We don’t Savery is proof of that and not signing saunders, gibson, workman all top amatuer ,who in some cases were fifty thousand dollars difference, not to mention others. And before you mention the current core its eleven years of drafting most are number one or two high picks in lean years, howard was a fifth,

  31. Don M

    November 28, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    The past 3 seasons, Burnett has had ERAs of 3.98 (2006), 3.75 (2007), and 4.07 (2008)… and the past two years he got paid $13 Million..

    So no, I don’t think he’s worth that, and you probably couldn’t even get him for that price becuase other teams that are more desperate, and who have both higher payrolls, and higher revenue stresm will out-bid you anyway..

    Where did our Major League team rank, cause I doubt is was #1, but that is where we finished… you say that the minor league system is ranked #28.. so what..

    Mike, what is “a number three type” … Nobody is saying that Blanton is going to win the Cy Young, but you need to realize that Burnett and Lowe aren’t going to be on the Phillies, and that bashing Blanton again (as everyone did until after his 1st postseason start) isn’t going to make anything different..

    Blanton is decent, Myers has shown flashes of ACE, and flashes of A-ball….. Hamels and Moyer are consistent, and the #5 spot come down to Happ, Carrasco, Kendrick, wild-card…

    It doesn’t make a ton of sense to overpay and lock-in D.Lowe because in 2 years it might be a terrbile deal

  32. Don M

    November 28, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Potential Free Agent Pitchers after 2009:

    Starting Pitchers
    Brandon Backe HOU
    Miguel Batista SEA
    Josh Beckett * BOS
    Erik Bedard SEA
    Chris Capuano MIL
    Jose Contreras CWS
    Doug Davis ARZ
    Justin Duchscherer OAK
    Adam Eaton * PHI
    Kelvim Escobar LAA
    Rich Harden CHC
    Tim Hudson * ATL
    John Lackey LAA
    Cliff Lee * CLE
    Jason Marquis CHC
    Mark Mulder STL
    Brett Myers PHI
    Vicente Padilla * TEX
    Brad Penny LAD
    Joel Pineiro STL
    Jason Schmidt LAD
    John Smoltz ATL
    Claudio Vargas NYM
    Jarrod Washburn SEA
    Brandon Webb * ARZ
    Todd Wellemeyer STL

  33. mike

    November 28, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Don M so what if out system ranks bad. well if they invested the money we wouldn’t need a number two. We would have had joe Saunders and gibson a top prospect, if you are going to come on here and say it doesn’t matter, that makes no sense. A strong farm and right now we might have players ready to step in to play in place of burrell and moyer.You post possible free agent pitchers after this year, mayber 5 are worth looking at , Webb, who will not go on the market,forget lee not happening, beckett forget him so who is left meyers padilla not much.

  34. Don M

    November 28, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    My point is that there will be a handful of pitchers worth looking into, and guys that you would want on your team EVERY year in Free Agency… let the Mets and the Yankees take Santana and Sabathia, pay them $25 M over 6 years… let them do it.. that doesn’t work because it handcuffs your ability to move them, or to add other pieces around them.

    About the “rankings” …. i didn’t say that having a stong farm system doesn’t matter, but I am saying that whoever is ranking them, doesn’t matter… We were “ranked” probably 4th, 5th, 6th or so out of the 8 teams that made it into the playoffs this past season.. that was by the “experts”.. those same experts that knew the Angels would beat the Cubs in the World Series last year (when the playoffs started).. are the same kinda guys that tell you how good such and such prospect will be. Wasn’t Lasting Milledge supposed to be good, Delmon Young, Homer Bailey, etc..

    All those guys make teams have higher “ranks” for their Farm Systems… and it doesn’t mean sh!t until they play on the field.. and Joe Blanton, Jamie Moyer, etc.. may not project to have great years or do great things.. but they’ve been better then most, so i still want them on my team

  35. mike

    November 28, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Don M the reason the yankees have been handcuff isn’t money but bad decisions. the mets the same. that’s why I keep saying how could they keep that G.M. he signed old over the hill hurt players to big deals.The biggest fear that I have is people thinking oh we don’t need lowe go get a guy like kendrick he can do it or put jenkins and a low ball option in left and we will win we did it last year. you need talent. Just because once in 28 years it work doesn’t mean we can just throw anyone into the mix and win. D

  36. mike

    November 28, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Sorry hit wrong button. I Just don’t feel comfortable with myers as a two and moyer at his age to continue, we would only have one year of payroll with too much in the pitchers. next year we lose a lot of contract money . I keep harping on it because we only have a couple more years until we let howard walk and maybe Hamel leaves too. so strike now and make the starting pitchers our strong point.

  37. mike

    November 28, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Don M by the way how is married life? Is it what you thought it would be?

  38. Don M

    November 28, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    Next year we lose a lot of contract money, but we also will be adding a lot because Hamels, Victorino, and Jayson Werth won’t be playing for a combined total of $2.6 Million..

    Its not just that we’re losing money on Burrell, and possibly Myers, or whoever, you need to retain the players that you have, and the thing with Lowe is that he would be GREAT at even as much as $15 Million for the next two years… but its going to take at least a 4 year deal to get him, and possibly more than $15 M per.. So outbidding other teams and having them force you to sign a player to a longer contract (which cannot be terminated like the NFL), that isn’t a good move.

    If we’re smart, we’ll keep driving the bidding up, and that way if the Mets do get him, they’ll be paying a lot more than they want to for him, same way they’ll do it to us

  39. Don M

    November 28, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Its the same so far.. we bought a house in March so we’ve been living in sin for a few months.. I just wear jewelry on my finger now, and she has some more bling on hers

  40. Geoff

    November 28, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    I concur on many fronts. This 14mm freed up by Burrell is basically all gone after arb raises to hamels werth victorino howard blanton madson etc. it would be REALLY nice if they could even free up 2 or 3 mm od eatons contract by eating most of his last year this year and moving him to a cheapskate desperate team. It appears as thogh they are willing to bump up their payroll by 10-20 million. that basically means either resigning jamie moyer and getting a decent LF through FA or trade or signing derek lowe and getting a cheap LF off the bargain bin.

    i would tend to err on the side of spending more money on pitching. if you can get derek lowe for 4/60-65 id kind of go for that because of his stability and consistency. theres a lot of garbage pitching out there to bring in to compete for the 5th spot with internal options if you get lowe. there are some decent bullpen options, even failed starters off the scrap heap sometimes work out well in the pen (chad durbin). koplove is just a body to throw in the mix and hope he makes the team.

    derek lowe would really stabilize the rotation. and if you cant get him, id rather trade for a 3rd type starter. with the emergence of hamels im looking for solid, stable pitching out of the rotation. one stable guy would help a heck of a lot. if you want to resign moyer and go for offense with a better LF, then ok..but i think thats risky to give him 2+ years.

    it all really depends on how much they want to boost their payroll. because their payroll is going up no matter what. its just do they want to it be 120 or do they want to balloon it up to 140?

    whatever they do, PLEASE stay away from aj burnett. that guy is going to be a bad contract for someones payroll for 4 or even 5 years to come.

  41. Phillies Phan SC

    November 29, 2008 at 8:38 am


    Jamie Moyer won more games than anyone else on the Phillies. Granted he is older, but Jamie has shown no signs of age fatigue. Myers went 7-2 after he worked out his problems early in the season. Hamels is solid. You are right on Blanton, he did not have many decisions, but he always kept the Phillies in the game. #5 starter can compete. I will give Eaton a chance even though I am vocal about trading him…

    Don M,

    One thing you forgot about the Mets – they are looing at K-Rod, who probably will break down in a year or two. let them waste money on him and I think we could sign a big name. You are right, they will do whatever they can to outbid us.

  42. mike

    November 29, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    If the met sign k rod they will be spending most of there budject.

  43. CXL72

    November 29, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    KK has been an important member of this team since he came up and I wouldn’t rush to trade him. He was huge in 2007 when he picked up the slack and helped stabalize the pitching staff.

    KK/Happ/Carrasco would be the #5. The SP will be stronger if they can resign Moyer to a 1 year deal or add a replacement.

    Random stats:
    – The Phils gave Eaton and KK a combined 49 starts in 2008 before pulling the plug AND still won 92 games with these 2 killing the bullpen.

    – Lefthanded hitters hit .321 and .334 against KK the last 2 years and he needs to find a way to get them out.

  44. Phillies Phan SC

    November 30, 2008 at 2:06 am


    Even better for us. K-Rod is good, but he can be beaten.

  45. mike

    November 30, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    I just read todd Z column he suggests that burrell won’t be offered arbritation. If that means we don’t get a first and second round choice for him. Then that is a disgrace. They are afraid he will accept and they would have to pay him 14 million for one year. big deal they can afford it plus we can’t let the first player in the draft go and get nothing. If this happens then they are the cheap bas## owners I have always said they are ,you can’t defend that stupid move.

  46. Don M

    December 1, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Is there a rule that they would have to offer him a certain dollar figure in arbitration since he’s already been a Free Agent before or something?

    My understanding on arbitration was the the team offers $1, the player wants $3, so they can possibly settle at $2, or they go through the process of arbitration, where both parties present their case before a panel.. and the player either “wins” $3, or “losses” and gets only the $1.

    I think that one year of Burrell at $14 would be alright, it buys you that much more time waiting to see if your young outfielders, Brown, etc.. are legit prospects

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