And Now, How The Payroll Shapes Up – Phillies Nation

And Now, How The Payroll Shapes Up

So in the past few days, Ruben Amaro Jr., Scott Proefrock and Co. have dwindled the long arbitration-eligible list to one. Of course, that one is the big one, Ryan Howard, but wasn’t he a shoo-in for a table discussion?

Here is the Phillies payroll for 2009:

C – Carlos Ruiz – 0.6 ML (proj)
C – Chris Coste – 0.5 ML (proj)
C – Ronny Paulino – 0.5 ML (proj)
IF – Ryan Howard – N/A
IF – Chase Utley – 11.0
IF – Pedro Feliz – 5.0
IF – Jimmy Rollins – 8.5
IF – Eric Bruntlett – 0.8
IF – Greg Dobbs – 1.15
OF – Raul Ibanez – 8.5
OF – Jayson Werth – 3.0
OF – Shane Victorino – 3.125
OF – Geoff Jenkins – 6.75
OF – Matt Stairs – 1.0
SP – Brett Myers – 12.0
SP – Adam Eaton – 8.5
SP – Jamie Moyer – 6.5
SP – Joe Blanton – 5.475
SP – Cole Hamels – 4.35
SP – Chan Ho Park – 2.5
SP – Kyle Kendrick – 0.5 ML (proj)
SP – JA Happ – 0.42 ML (proj)
RP – Brad Lidge – 11.5
RP – JC Romero – 4.0
RP – Scott Eyre – 2.0
RP – Ryan Madson – 2.0
RP – Chad Durbin – 1.635
RP – Clay Condrey – 0.65

The payroll of the 25-man roster, with a few additions (28 total), currently is $112.455M. This is before Ryan Howard. The 2008 payroll for the 25-man roster was $98.269M. A loss in arbitration for Howard would give the team a payroll of $126M; a win by Howard would make it $130M. Add in Jim Thome’s final $3M, and you’re approaching $135M.

Here are the current indicators for the 2010 Phillies payroll:

C – Carlos Ruiz – ARB 1st year (3)
C – Chris Coste – ARB 1st year (3)
C – Ronny Paulino – ARB 1st year (3)

Clearly a logjam at catcher. With Marson’s resurgence, don’t be surprised if two of these guys are gone by year’s end. The third (Paulino, in my mind), might get a one-year deal before arbitration.

IF – Ryan Howard – ARB 3rd year (4)
IF – Chase Utley – 15.0
IF – Pedro Feliz – 5.0 option (0.5 buyout)
IF – Jimmy Rollins – 7.5
IF – Eric Bruntlett – ARB 3rd year (3)
IF – Greg Dobbs – 1.35

Utley jumps up 4M. Considering the dearth of prospects at third base (and a possibility of a Jason Donald trade in 2009), they pick up Feliz’s option. The Phils could stay with Bruntlett another year, long as he performs well enough in 2009. Howard could be looking for 20M or so. So it might be the time to trade him.

OF – Raul Ibanez – 11.5
OF – Jayson Werth – 7.0
OF – Shane Victorino – ARB 2nd year (3)
OF – Geoff Jenkins – 7.5 option (1.25 buyout)

Ibanez and Werth make a combined 9M more than in 2009. Victorino will likely see a jump in salary (or a long-term deal). That said, the Phils won’t pick up Jenkins’ option, saving 6M (which is what Victorino would likely get with a multiyear deal in 2010). Look for young, non-arbitration talent to fill the holes, and by then, Michael Taylor and John Mayberry Jr. could be ready.

SP – Adam Eaton – 9.0 option (0.5 buyout)
SP – Jamie Moyer – 6.5
SP – Joe Blanton – ARB 3rd year (3)
SP – Cole Hamels – 6.65
SP – Kyle Kendrick – 0.7 ML (proj)
SP – JA Happ – 0.6 ML (proj)

Myers and Park come off the books, and the Phillies would be the dumbest franchise alive by picking up Eaton’s option. These three losses would save the Phillies 23M. Blanton may expect a raise to about 7M, or a long-term deal. By now Carrasco might enter the picture, but he’d only be making a half million. Happ and Kendrick wouldn’t be arbitration eligible yet. Still, I don’t expect a Hamels/Moyer/Blanton/Happ/Carrasco rotation. Re-signing Myers might cost about 10-14M, and that’s if 2009 is a good season.

RP – Brad Lidge – 11.5
RP – JC Romero – 4.0
RP – Ryan Madson – 4.5
RP – Chad Durbin – ARB 3rd year (3)
RP – Clay Condrey – ARB 2nd year (3)

Durbin would probably get 2M or so, if not a longer deal. Condrey would likely get close to a million. Eyre becomes a free agent, and might lean toward retirement. Obviously a starter could take a bullpen spot; moreover, a bunch of hopefuls will fight for spots. Still, expect a middle relief signing or two by 2010.

So, just as a very early indicator, the Phillies might be searching for starting pitching and maybe a first baseman in 2010, while dealing with nine potential arbitration cases. Expect that number to dwindle before the offseason.

I’ll have more about the offseason moves later.



  1. ped

    January 21, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    This is really good stuff. Thanks.

  2. Dave S

    January 21, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    I love this kind of analysis. Thanks Tim.

  3. Griffin

    January 21, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    Agreed, nicely done Tim. The Phillies said they were going to increase the payroll and they obviously have done that.
    $140 mil should put them in the top 5 in terms of payroll, right?

  4. Chris L

    January 21, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    Especially if Ryan wins look for the team to give away Eaton and/or Jenkins to try to free up 3-7 million and give them flexibilty at the trade dedline. Plus the Paulino deals makes even less sense unless there’s another move (Padres and fish still need catching) to come.

  5. Manny

    January 21, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Tim, do you know if the organization will have to pay a luxury tax?

  6. Dave S

    January 21, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Pads just signed Blanco, so it’s just now down to the fishes.

  7. GPR

    January 21, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    I am a Met fan, and I come in here from time to time to read your opinions and sometimes leave my own, in a rare non-retarded fashion as every rival fan does in the rivals blog, and I was wondering if you can tell me where did the Mets rank? I am guessing 17-18?

  8. GPR

    January 21, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    I talk about retarded and post in the wrong post. Oh jebus.

  9. Malcolm

    January 21, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Well done, Tim.

  10. eric

    January 21, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    Does anyone honestly believe a team will take Jenkins, with that salary? That’s asking a little much. That said…

    Almost $140 million?! We certainly can’t complain about the Phils not paying, now.

  11. Joe O'Phillie

    January 21, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    Excellent article Tim.

    Check the math, I get $112M before Howard unless I am missing something..

  12. Griffin

    January 21, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Joe O’Phillie, Jim Thome is on the hook for $3 million. The $140 million is assuming that Howard wins and get $18 million this season.

  13. Tim Malcolm

    January 21, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    No, Joe is right. That’s what happens when you try to add figures by mind and not calculator.

  14. Evan

    January 21, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    2008’s luxury tax threshold was $155mil. I’m glad the Phils aren’t in that territory, but damn 2009 has a huge increase in payroll. $40mil in one year seems like an awful lot to any non-Yankees team. Arbitration has a lot to do with it, but the Phils are going to have to take steps to trim the fat in the future. Losing Eaton will be a fantastic first step 🙂

  15. Keystone

    January 21, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    Everyone always talks about how great the Phils are for building a champion team from the farm system, but when the players get there no one wants to see them go to make room for the next batch of young players from the farm.
    Thats the best way to keep these figures lower. I know Im stating the obvious here. But we have to be willing to let players leave… as long as we have the talent to back it up in reserve.

  16. Tim Malcolm

    January 21, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    I edited Chad Durbin in the 2010 projection. Joe knows best — I re-checked Cot’s and must’ve stumbled. He’s going into year five, so he’ll have his an arb session in 2010.

  17. Chris L

    January 21, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    eric, another team will only take Jenkins or Eaton if the Phils pay a good chunck of their salary, that’s why I said they’d free up 3-7 mil when the two are making 15. Earlier this winter, Amaro was reported to have said that if someone would take Eaton the Phils would pay 7 mil of his salary. I think that if an OF spot opens up thanks to injury this spring, a team might be willing to pay jenkins 3-4 mil and the Phils take the rest. Also, the Phils would get either a low project or another overpaid disappointment in return.

    By the way, the Red Sox may be looking for another catcher too if varitek doesnt bring down his price. And the Yankees might look for a backup with Posada’s back in question.

    Also, just throwing this out there. With Myers coming off a strong 2nd half, his price tag and some choices for the rotation. Anyone else think Amaro might talk to a team who needs a closer? Before they signed Ibanez, their was talk in St Louis about possibly making a move with Philly for Ryan Ludwick – while they don’t have space for him now, there might be some minor leaguers that could be useful.

  18. KM

    January 21, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    Is is possible for Kendrick to spend the first few months of the season in the minors trying to develop a third pitch, and possibly coming up to be a bullpen/spot starting arm.

  19. Jon Roth

    January 22, 2009 at 6:39 am

    I would check on the money for Jim Thome. Last year was the last time that they had to pay him, so his money should be off the books. They don’t owe him anymore money.

  20. Tim Malcolm

    January 22, 2009 at 8:24 am

    Jon: The $3M remaining is the 2009 buyout on his option. Obviously the Phils didn’t pick it up, and when they traded him, agreed to pay the buyout.

  21. MA Phanatic

    January 22, 2009 at 10:50 am

    gotta love the fact that Joe Blanton will make more money this season than Cole Hamels…

  22. PhillyGirlinMichigan

    January 22, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Yes, Blanton will make more next year, but in the end, if he stays healty, Cole will make plenty more. I’m guessing Cole’s contact probably also included a team-paid traveling massage and chiro therapist…

  23. Richie Allen

    January 22, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Great work Tim….I didnt realize the payroll was so high before Howard..I guess we wont be seeing Sheets on this roster unless we subtract someone somehow.

  24. NateB

    January 22, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Why can’t Howard be happy with $14 Million for the year? Why does he have to ask for more?? Seriously.

  25. Chuck P

    January 22, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Good stuff here.

    I give Amaro very high praise for his work this offseason…

    Ibanez was a good addition. Of course, we might have found a cheaper alternative by waiting it out, but we played it safe… we got the reasonably priced guy that we thought would help our team (the guy not named Teixera or Ramirez).

    The other additions were subtle yet effective… addressing depth without breaking the bank. We know the names… we didn’t take a lot of risk and that is key if we want to keep this team around for a while.

    Most importantly, Amaro has managed to re-sign all of our key components to reasonable deals (there should be no complaints this offseason) and has still maintained flexibility to promote prospects in the future. We don’t need to do much… we’re the defending NLE (2x) and WS Champs. Taylor, Brown and Mayberry will have the opportunity to move up when the time is right. He made a lot of smart moves (Werth, Blanton, Durbin, Madson); short and reasonable. I especially like Werth’s deal; 2 years gives us the ability to evaluate him as an everyday RF and allows our prospects to continue to grow. Of course, the big man still remains unsigned. Personally, I think that we need to try to keep him around for at least 2-3 years. I don’t know if anyone will be willing to go beyond 2-3 years with him. As he approaches 30 y/o, history is not on his side but as long as he’s healthy and able, he’s worth the money. Plus, with the current conditions, he would be silly not to think about a solid 3/16 deal.

  26. Chuck P

    January 22, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    Curious, does Romero’s forfeited money come off of our salary?

  27. Don M

    January 22, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Nope, because then we would make sure that Eaton got something tainted too so he got suspended and we didnt have to pay his salary

  28. Richie Allen

    January 22, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    To NateB.. I think about this 14 vs 18 million all the time now.And were not talking about small change ,either figure sets him up for life.Is it greed?how much freakin money do you need?
    I really wish he would be a team player and go for a reasonable 2 year contract without killing the team.How about 2 years at 15 mil each.
    That should buy a lot of twinkies.

  29. Don M

    January 22, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    If you were going to do a job for someone… any job.. let’s say: Painting a house

    You are one of the best painters that you know of, you always get the job done nicely… maybe you don’t pick up all the drop-cloths everynight (Strikeouts), but when the job is finished, you’ve painted that house better than any other painter around (HRs and RBIs)… Painted some of those rooms faster than any painter before you ever has.. (quickest ever to 150 HR)

    So somebody wants to hire you to paint another house. They want to offer you $140, you feel that you are worth $180 because you’re so good at it.

    Other painters around are getting paid $200 or more.. and of the other guys that charge $180.. you are WAY better than they are..

    well, now I’m sure you are all as confused as I am, and I don’t really know where I was going with that.. but I think the point is that Ryan Howard has a VERY valid arguement about what HE THINKS he should be paid… to ask of him to leave money on the table just isn’t realistic.. he feels he’s already had to do that by being held in the minors for 1.5 years too long

  30. Brooks

    January 22, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Let this go to arbitration. No one in their right minds could believe that someone who hits .251 for a season and has no regard for the left side of the infield – and personally, I dont give a damn about the strike outs – but 18 mil is way too much for 1 season. Let Ryan work out his demons and give us a glimpse of 06′ for the entire season, not just 1 (albeit the right one) month of the season.
    If the Phils win arbritration and Ryan has a great season, tie him up with gold and riches, whatever he wants. Personally, I believe the Phils would not be where they are today without Howard, not debatable. I like what Don said the other day, but only if he proves himself – 5 yr, 110 mil – Isn’t that Donny Mac’s territory?

  31. Richie Allen

    January 22, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    I know what I said about Howard taking less for the team will never happen…..and I also believe he is a big reason we won last year…and I agree he is one of the best PAINTERS in the game today too…
    I dont want him to go anywhere…I like watching him ,he’s exciting.But I’m pissed off because he will eventually leave because of money.
    I guess its just frustrating to know where this is headed.

  32. Brooks

    January 22, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    Richie… this is the dream that all young men share… to get the WS trophy, to be acknkowledged as one of the best of the decade – we have a taste for it dude!

  33. Richie Allen

    January 23, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    Right you are Brooks…

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