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Commentary: Mets In Town? Just Another Series

PhilsMetsThe sun is fighting through the clouds. The smoke is rising. The air seems dense and surreal.

Yes, the Mets are in town.

It’s the first meeting of the year between the Phillies and Mets; in years past this would be cause for high sugar intake, the pounding of Red Bulls and full-scale regalia sporting. This year? Just another series.

Don’t get me wrong: I dislike the Mets as much as Jimmy from Parkwood. I work with a few Mets fans – one of my employees is a devoted Mets fan. He can’t stand the Phillies, and not just because they’re from Philadelphia, but because “they’re good. Really good.”

Suddenly we’re good in the eyes of Mets fans. Look back at last season’s triumph of the National League East and subsequent playoff run. Mets fans applauded the Phillies for sticking to their game. They knew the Phillies had good pitching, good defense and timely hitting. They knew that was the formula for success. And sadly, the Queens nine didn’t have that formula. Their pitching – bad. Their defense – shoddy. Their hitting – anything but timely. They knew it: The Phillies were just a really, really good team.

After the Phils took the brass ring, I mulled over the Phillies concerns in 2009. Was the NL East still a problem? Sure. But not in the way we looked at the division in the past – now the Phils were undoubtedly kings of the mountain. No matter what the national media could say, the East had to go through Philadelphia. And suddenly the Mets didn’t seem like such a concern anymore. Suddenly they became any other team.

Again, I don’t like the Mets. Never have, never will. And they are the Phils top rival – geographically, competitively, financially. All the trappings exist. But now the Phillies are concerned with greater things: Repeating as world champions. The longview isn’t skewed toward “winning the East,” which is still top among Mets concerns. Their 9-12 start has fans lining up on the Triborough Bridge. If the Phils started 9-12? We’d be a little concerned, but it is a long year.

I explained that to Matt Cerrone of MetsBlog yesterday: He wondered if Phillies fans were mocking Mets fans for acting so outrageously concerned. Point is: Mets fans are fearing the worst. Phillies fans are fearing nothing.

That’s the difference this year. And while the fans will come out in droves, and the Vault will be rocking rain or shine, and the vernacular will fly like no other time, the fear will no longer be there. Not even a drop. Because really, this is just another series.

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  1. Woodman

    May 1, 2009 at 11:43 am

    Good comments. I still hate the MUTS & most of their fans! Let’s sweep all three!

  2. King

    May 1, 2009 at 11:43 am

    I have a mets fan at my work right now wearing a Delgado jersey. Been talking a bunch of crap since spring training.

    I can’t wait to come in on monday and laugh at him (some more)

  3. Jason B.

    May 1, 2009 at 11:49 am

    Despite all of the distractions, we still finished April with a winning record. The Mets had some fan fare of thier own and finished the month 3 games under .500. This may be another series to us. I’m still geared up and ready to go, with plenty of ammunition. Coming with me to the game on Sunday will be my 2008 WS championship flag, my WS champ hat, WS champ Tshirt, and my newly aquired WS championship replica ring. It’s gonna be real hard for a Met fan to talk smack no matter what the score. Maybe I’ll give a Mets fan the oppurtunity to kiss my ring. Regardless of whether or not they take me up on the offer, one thing is for sure, I will make sure every Met fan that I come into contact, sees it. Just another series? Sure, but one I have been waiting for since October 29th of last year. Bring. It. On.

  4. Kevo

    May 1, 2009 at 11:57 am

    WS replica ring? You have got to be kidding

  5. Manny

    May 1, 2009 at 11:57 am

    I’m going to Saturday’s game!! Moyer vs Oliver Perez… should be good if Moyer keeps himself together. And if Perez gets rocked, SEE YA PAL.

    Go Phils!

  6. Jason B.

    May 1, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    WS replica ring, that’s right. And yes, on Sunday, I will squeeze that thing onto my pinky finger and display it proudly. It’s one thing that the Mets haven’t given away since Gary Carter had a long flowing perm and Darryl Strawberry and Doc Gooden were lighting each others Crack pipes.

  7. Harper

    May 1, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Nice piece yesterday on how the Fightin’s are so clutch and the Mets, not so much in, of all things, the NY Times:

  8. Don M

    May 1, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    I’ll be down there tonight.. hope that rain stays away!

    Mets are better than their record though.. they still have a dangerious offense, just some problems with their pitching..

    A good offense, and a good back end of the bullpen can win you some games..

    Still, I expect our team to be pumped for these games, and take 2-of-3 here at home!

  9. Bruce

    May 1, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    As Jason B. so colorfully described, it may be “just another series” early in the season, but the rivalry has grown so intense the past few years. That’s happens when there are two contending clubs in close vicinity of each. The players and fans of respective teams will obviously have a strong dislike toward the other. It makes good stories for the media and draws attention from around the country. Needless to say, these kind of natural rivalries is good for baseball especially with attendance.

    Let’s go Phillies!

  10. Chooch's Cooches

    May 1, 2009 at 12:13 pm


  11. Eric

    May 1, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    i am a mets fan i will say it and i read this blog before each series to see where the mind of the phillies fan is at ahead of time.

    while i actually agree with most of what you say….. yes the phils won the WS and congrats but this is not just another series and you know it. your post contains a world series hangover approach to it, and monday i think regardless of how this series turns out you will be excited for your first trip to citi field next week and the fact that the mets/phills rivalry is back for another season. Again congrats on the WS but didn’t we beat you 11 out of 18 last year 6/9 in citizens bank? i know you surely dont forget that.

  12. Don M

    May 1, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Honestly… why do Mets fans bring up the head-to-head stats??

    If we failed to win the the World Series.. or even a playoff series, I could see Mets fans making a point of that. But in reality, the head-to-head series doesn’t mean anything if you won that.. but we made it to, and then Won in the postseason.

    Over the past two seasons I think the Phillies are 19-17 against the Mets..with two NL East crowns, and a World Series Ring

    The WS last year has nothing to do with THIS season, except that Phillies have some confidence, and the Mets might be gunning for us even harder.. it should be a good matchup all season

  13. Griffin

    May 1, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Eric, who cares what the season series was last year? What was the season series in ’07, or ’06? Nobody know, nobody cares. Just look up at Ashburn Alley tonight and see that red flat that says 2008, that’s the only thing that matters.

    Tim, the Triborough bridge has been re-named the RFK bridge, Governor Patterson decided to find new ways to burn through money, since NY is doing so well right now.

    As a Phillies fan living in NY, this is not just another series, I want to send Ollie Perez back down to the minors. Let’s get em.

  14. mikemike

    May 1, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Eric you won the battle but lost the war. I guess you are happy with that or you wouldn’t post that stupid stat.

  15. mikemike

    May 1, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    If you are a phillies fan ,let the mets keep him in the rotation. he stinks

  16. Jon

    May 1, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Like myers last year?

  17. Eric

    May 1, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    the point of my post was not the H2H record…your right its meaningless, but thats all we mets fan have @ the moment.

    my point was that the post contained a WS hangover approach to it. “we so good” ” phillies are so good” “mets fans know were so good” gimme a break. yes you won the war, the battle, the blog argument. however you like it. BUT 08 was 08, to say this series is meaningless is foolish. its 09 and we all start fresh. fact remains your off to an 11-9 a few game better start than we are, but neither team is lighthing it up. This rivalry is heated, which explains why im on this site, we dont like each other as fans, its nothing knew to me shouldnt be to you either.

  18. Adam C

    May 1, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    Love the post, Tim!! Sums it all up for me!

  19. Chase Mutley

    May 1, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    Like World Champion Brett Myers, yes.

  20. Kevo

    May 1, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    Im a diehard phillies fan, and hate the mets, but Eric has a point. Say the Mets one the WS last year (this is when you laugh), and the phillies won the season series like they did last year, we would be saying the same exact thing, facts is, IMO, the Mets own the phils here at CBP, and i feel the opposite when the phils went to shea, they seem to play much better, but we shall see.. F the METS, im going sunday, getting all jammed up before hand

  21. Griffin

    May 1, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Jon, let’s just say I’m not scared of the Mets minor league pitching prospects. Jon Niese’s 8.44 ERA in Triple A is looking real good.

    I still find it amazing that some Mets fans will come to a Phillies message board and talk smack after choking two years in a row and watching the Phillies win the World Series.

  22. Jason B.

    May 1, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    When you bring up the stat that you beat us 11 out of 18 or whatever, it’s like Napolean saying, well I won at waterloo, so what If I failed to conquer the rest of Europe and Asia. Our two teams are on two levels of thinking…. We’re thinking repeat, while the Mets are thinking playoff berth. I love this rivalry just as much as Mets fans do. It’s fun and makes for some good times at the ball park.

  23. Gary B

    May 1, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    My good buddy is a Mets fan and I myself am a die herd phils fan. I don’t agree with the “just another series” attitude. I am going to be watching and hopefully trash talking all weekend. All the games this year make up the whole of the season. To get a series win against a team that is supposed to compete for the East this year is pretty big to me even if it is early in the season.

    Go Phils.

  24. Griffin

    May 1, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    In 2007, the Phillies were 5-4 at CBP against the Mets and in 2006, they were 5-5 against them.

  25. Greg B

    May 1, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    Check me if I’m wrong, Jason, but didnt Napoleon take the major L at Waterloo?

  26. Griffin

    May 1, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Yeah, Napoleon most definitely took a major L at Waterloo.

  27. Evan

    May 1, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    I’m always excited when the Mets play the Phils. Its not just another series for the fans, because over the past few years the Mets and Phils have become two of the top teams in the NL. The rivalry will be there as long as these teams are good.

    For the Phils, I don’t know if the intensity is there the way it is for the fans. They want to win every game regardless of who they are playing. They know the Mets well and they know what to expect. But at home and away they must feel the crowd is that much stronger, either with them or against them respectively.

    Anyway, I hope the Phils sweep the series. I suppose I always hope they do, but I enjoy listening to WFAN on the way to work when the Mets lose and it’d be pure entertainment on Monday if the Phils sweep this weekend.

  28. Evan

    May 1, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    “Waterloo, I was defeated, you won the war.” That’s the first line of the chorus, you need to study up on your Abba son.

  29. R.C. Cowie

    May 1, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Definitly should put down the keyboard and pick up a history book.

  30. SJ Mike

    May 1, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    I am slightly curious how this will pan out in the stands. Wish I was going to one of these games, but will be out of town most of the weekend.

  31. SJ Mike

    May 1, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    I’ll be in the North Jersey / New York area most of the weekend, so I’ll be sure to bring some Phillies gear and wear it.

  32. Don M

    May 1, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Mets Fans.. outside of Beltran and Santana. who is playing well right now?

    I’ve only seen bits and pieces of Mets games so far, so I have no idea who is having a nice year outside of what the stats show…

    I know Perez is struggling, how is the rest of the pitching/hitting so far.. anyone we should be careful with this series?

    Obviously you guys know that Utley and Ibanez are hitting well. Moyer has looked good (better) his last few outings

  33. Havoc

    May 1, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    I’ve got tickets for all three games. Just hoping my voice holds out. There will be plenty of Wooooo’s coming from centerfield standing room only.

  34. ryan

    May 1, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    it’s not just another series. no way. if simply just for the fact that we are all more excited as fans to beat the mets. let’s just have fun with it. i love mets series’

  35. Tapas

    May 1, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    I’m a die hard Mets fan but enjoy reading this blog to catch up on some Phillies news (I have a couple of Phillies on my roto team). I also enjoy watching the Phillies (I don’t root for them of course) since they are a very exciting, well balanced team full of players with hustle and emotion (something the Mets, unfortunately, lack). Congrats on the World Series last year, by the way. This is a big rivarly, but still think the Braves-Mets rivalries of the late 90s and Mets-Cubs/Mets-Cards rivalries of the 1980s were bigger. I don’t sense the same intensity leading up to this series, at least up here in NY — I agree with Tim that this feels more like any other series, maybe because our players are lethargic?

  36. ryan

    May 1, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    did anybody see gonzo’s article in the inky today? hilarious great stuff. many of the dumb mets fans on the comments below the article obviously missed the irony and humor. but i guess you can’t expect some filthy swine flu infected idiot from queens to have a reading comprehension level above the 4th grade.

  37. Jason B.

    May 1, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    Just checked, Napolean lost Waterloo. Sorry guys, my history is a bit shoddy, and my knowledge of ABBA is completly nonexistant.

  38. Justin

    May 1, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Hopefully Ruiz will be back with the team tomorrow to help out behind the plate. I just hope that Coste is sent down and not Marson, Marson can learn true catching from Ruiz who’s been a catcher for a longer period than Coste who just truly learned the position 3 years ago.

  39. Don M

    May 1, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    i HATE that page2 of the Inquirer lately.. that bit where they send fake-emails back and forth.. is the worst.

    Does Frank Fitzpatrick still write there? His stuff was hilarious

  40. Jason B.

    May 1, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    Ryan, that was an awesome article from Gonzo. He usually has good stuff in his column. That was no exception. The Met fans completely missed the sarcasm. And I just went to Queens last weekend for a wedding and although there are some nice pockets, it basically is a shantytown of autorepair places. It’s no suprise to me that Joey Buttafucco resided there.

  41. SJ Mike

    May 1, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    I like Gonzo’s column, but I agree Don, the fake email talking back and forth stuff is kind of corny.

    Fitzpatrick will have a column on Page 2 like twice a week with “Morning Bytes.”

  42. ED8070

    May 1, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Hey guys- Mets Presale Tickets- incuding the phils series- even though tickets go on sale tomorrow, you can get the presale tickets for the June to October games at Citi Field- the password is REYES. I dont know how much longer you can use the password today though.

  43. Don M

    May 1, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    they post all the blog-reports and stuff too, which is sometimes cool because you get a better feel from fans then on talk-radio..

    Hey.. Mikey Miss on espn950 took over the #1 spot from Howard Eskin (who may or may not have announced his man-crush on Andy Reid)

    I like the700level website, but its really hard to read and doesn’t have much flow.. that is the only blog I read besides this one..

    Gonzo is pretty good though, but the bottom of that page drives me nuts

  44. Griffin

    May 1, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    ED8070, thanks for the presale code, it works. Unfortunately, the prices at Citi Field are ridiculous. An outfield seat is $60 for a Tuesday night game? I guess someone has to pay for the Ollie Perez mistake.

  45. Justin

    May 1, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    i prefer the tickets for Phils games in Right Center field for a cheaper price and better product.

  46. mikemike

    May 1, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    ABBA was that the old American basket ball Association?

  47. JohnKruksLoveChild

    May 1, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    It’s still going to be a madhouse tonight, with plenty of:

    – mets fans standing up in front of their section and waving their hats every time one of their players does anything remotely good
    – some phils fan who is way too drunk will aggressively try to defend his city’s honor
    – security will break up potential fight, only to be back one inning later after the mets fan got a beer thrown on him
    – at least 3 concourse scuffles, with at least one involving what appears to be 5 dudes and 40 blue shirted security guys
    – a group of 5 well behaved mets fans will get screamed at by phils fans trying to bait them into a fight

    And that my friends is why I bought tickets to every Mets series at CBP this year. The entertainment never stops ! Actually the shame of it is that they are usually good series but everyone takes the rivalry way too seriously and far and it just ruins the good times baseball is supposed to be about.

  48. Justin

    May 1, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    The best game I’ve been to in the series, i wasn’t able to make any last year, but it was the Abreu game winning dribbler that Aaron Heilman threw to the Right Fielder. God that was awesome, the defeated look on all those Muts fans’ faces it was classic, specially when it’s a game winner against them of all teams.

  49. Don M

    May 1, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    The problem is that instead of enjoying good baseball.. people go to the games looking to start fights, backed by 5 of their toughest Frat brothers..

    I don’t mind if Mets fans clap when their team scores a run or something.. but its the fans that jump up and start screaming when Jose Reyes gets a base hit.. SIT DOWN A$$HOLE!!!

    And that’s how it starts.. if you behave yourself, its fun to talk throughout the game with fans of opposing teams.

    The rain will prevent some from being drunk 3 hours prior to the first pitch, but they’ll be problems down there tonight without a doubt

  50. mikemike

    May 1, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    It’s not just baseball, football is nuts, Basketball I go to a lot and don’t see it there.

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