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Gameday 2009

Gamenight: Marlins (21-26) At Phillies (25-19)

marlinslogoFlorida Marlins (21-26) at Philadelphia Phillies (25-19)
Burke Badenhop (2-2, 5.75 ERA) vs. Brett Myers (4-2, 4.34 ERA)
Time: 7:05 p.m. at Citizens Bank Park, Philadelphia
Weather: Partly cloudy, 73
TV: Comcast SportsNet
Twitter: Phillies Nation

Brett Myers can deliver a series win against the Marlins, as the Phils and Fish tangle for the sixth time in 2009. Florida will counter with Burke Badenhop, making his first start of 2009.The sinkerballer pitched 2.1 scoreless innings against the Phillies earlier in the season, but for his career has given up a Ryan Howard home run. Because Badenhop isn’t ready to make a full start, Hayden Penn will be ready for long relief. It’s the kind of night when the Phils should be wise to take some pitches.

Myers allowed three runs in six innings against the Marlins earlier in the season. He walked six in that game; since, Myers has been much more effective, capping with a strong start Friday night against the Yankees.

In the last rotation turn, the Phils’ rotation ERA dropped from 6.31 to 5.86. Myers is 2-0 with a 2.57 ERA in his last three starts.

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Go Phillies!

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  1. Caleb

    May 27, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Let’s hope no one calls him out on tattoos this time.

  2. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Lets get a W and a series win.

  3. Mark B

    May 27, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    Yes, we need to play consistently better at home, although our road record is outstanding.

  4. Tim Malcolm

    May 27, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    You want a new lineup?

    Rollins SS, Victorino CF, Utley 2B, Howard 1B, Ibanez LF, Werth RF, Feliz 3B, Ruiz C, Myers P.

    Sorry.

  5. Bruce

    May 27, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    Manual obviously sticking with success in using the same lineup tonight.

  6. Tim Malcolm

    May 27, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    The current lineup configuration is 1-3 this season. Wouldn’t call that obvious success by “Manual.”

  7. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    what lineup did u want Tim?

  8. Tim Malcolm

    May 27, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    It’s not that I want a specific lineup. But as I wrote yesterday, it’s good to give guys at bats, and shuffling out the same guys out there every day kills that idea.

  9. Bruce

    May 27, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Oops, a typo.. sorry Charlie..my bad. 😉 Victorino has been moved around in either no.2 or 6 hole considerably. Manuel did the same last season.

  10. Bruce

    May 27, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    I’m anxious for Werth to snap out of his 1 for 18 slump (finally had a hit in last AB last night). It’s for that reason I believe Werth is slotted in the 6th hole instead of Victorino. That and facing a righthander in “Hopper” Badenhop.

    Brett Myers’ turn to continue lowering the rotation’s ERA with another quality start.

  11. T Marty

    May 27, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Tim, you can sure sell a beer. There hasn’t been one yet that hasn’t sound delich. i did make chicken and broccoli for dinner, sadly i’m washing it down with a miller lite. Go Phils!

  12. Bruce

    May 27, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    Tim obviously has a passion..a love for trying various types of beers; local and imports. It shows in his adjectives filled description of a chosen beer. I think he may also have written occasion columns on such beers and pairing with food in a local newpaper?

  13. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    time to win a home series!

  14. 4daysrest.com

    May 27, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    Did anybody watch Daily News Live tonight? They had the Marlins’ GM on there doing an interview and he said that a good start for Badenhop tonight would be 4 or 5 innings.

    That means one of two things will happen tonight: either the Phillies will jump all over this kid, or they’ll pull the “oh, but we’ve never seen him” shit and put up 4 hits for the night. I really hope it’s the former.

    The good news is that Myers has been very good lately. Hopefully he can turn his recent success into another good start tonight. We’ll see.

  15. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    nice walk Victorino

  16. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    alright Utley & Howard

  17. Dave

    May 27, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    What was that, Raul?

  18. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    great play Myers

  19. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    No chatter tonight. And no Phils bats so far either.

  20. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    well we had something going in the 1st and then we didn’t

  21. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Gotta jump on pitchers in the first inning when they settle in. When Jimmy ran into that out on Wednesday was just terrible. IMO……First inning outs are more precious than 9th inning outs.

  22. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    woops, out on Monday in 1st inning by Rollins.

  23. Ed

    May 27, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    wow Raul looked terrible in that at bat. Very unRaul like.

  24. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    come on Werth

  25. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    Phillies playing like dog dirt tonight

  26. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Werth was the toast of the town when he stole home and now looks clueless. The truth lays somewhere in between.

  27. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    Such a struggle with our feast or famine offense. Myers giving them another “quality start”.

  28. The Dipsy

    May 27, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    Come on Blue Jays! Lose, baby, lose!

    The Dipsy

  29. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    Why does Charlie & Co have Mayberry up in the Majors to ride the bench, while Werth looks like he hasn’t played baseball in his lifetime.

    I do not understand.

  30. MIKE

    May 27, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    Werth stinks. He is streaky. Ugla is the only one who can beat us and homerun Myers throws him a pitch my granny can hit. Good stuff. This kid should pitch 9 and he will shut us out. THATS FOR SURE.

  31. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    The Blue Jays!?! I’m over 1993. Who cares.

  32. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    Philadelphia Blue Jays?

  33. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    or maybe its cuz he wants Halladay lol

  34. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Keep dreaming on Halladay

  35. The Dipsy

    May 27, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Bingo Kmaster General!

    The Dipsy

  36. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    RUIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    😀

  37. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    Myers with a hit!

    and Santana walks a batter with the bases loaded, tied game there.

  38. Ed

    May 27, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    I would love to get Halladay but I just don’t see it happening. Brad Penny will be a Phillie. Mark my words…or don’t. Been wrong before.

  39. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    Ed, theirs nothing wrong with being wrong, just ask Geoff.

  40. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    well I read that there’s four teams that are a great fit for Penny: Phillies, Brewers, Twins, and Royals.

  41. Ed

    May 27, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Is it just me or have a lot of Myers breakers been left hanging in the zone and a lot of the Marlins players are just taking them?

  42. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    Chalk this one up as a L

  43. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    let’s not give up yet

  44. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    hmm k maybe now

  45. Ed

    May 27, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    Ok now we can give up. The solid pitching was fun while it lasted.

  46. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    Told you, you can tell from the start how their playing that its going to be a loss. They’re showing no effort and some no name rookie is dominating them like a 14 year vet.

  47. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    Good call Ed on the hanging pitches.

    Its like Myers lost focus and just f’d up.

    Our bats are sooooooooo cold so its uphill from here.

  48. The Big Dipper

    May 27, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    We need to get rid of Myers!!!! Not even through 6 and he already gave up 2 HRs and 5 runs.

    This is busch league he is the weakest link in this rotation.

    The Big Dipper
    (Although I sound like Geoff, The Dipsy and every other negative nancy on these boards.)

  49. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    They lost this game in the first inning with bases loaded one out and they didnt score a run.

    Maybe they can “win” it later but they yakked early and have struggled since.

  50. NJ

    May 27, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    Myers is pitching well enough but man those longballs are killing him once again.

    Just one of those games that makes you glad baseball works in series and you can’t get hung up on the individual results.

  51. Ed

    May 27, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    Rookies always own the Phillies. It’s like when the Eagles play a crappy team. You expect it to be a blow out but it’s always a fight to the death.

  52. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    ^ clown.

  53. Manny

    May 27, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    I hope Brett is fine.

  54. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    hmm, it’d be nice to win a home series that isn’t against the Nationals

  55. Greg V.

    May 27, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    Yeah I’m not so sure that was Brett sucking right there as it was Brett was hurt. On that note, the Phils needs some runs BIG TIME!

  56. MIKE

    May 27, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    Brett Myers is horrible. Yes he has a game that makes you say Wow. Pat did that as well. Myers cant be a bad Marlins team. You butt munch. They cant win at home. Im done with this team. Waste of millionaires. GO HOME MYERS AND BEAT YOURSELF YOU PIG.

  57. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    You’re right NJ. Just need to win 6 of every 10 to get to 96 wins.

    At times Myers is so focused and others he’s like a mental midget. Rollins called him out the other day and said on Myers…..

    “He was excellent,” Rollins said of Myers. “He’s been great his last two outings. Tonight even better than his last. Hopefully, this is the Brett we’re going to get the rest of the time. He has that type of stuff once he starts believing in it again. He’s definitely done that the last two times. His preparation going out there prior to the game — he’s focused. There’s no bouncing around, no playing air guitar. He’s trying to get the job done and tonight we got to see the effects of what happens when you do things the right way.”

  58. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    I feel you Ed on the Eagles comparison.

  59. The Big Dipper

    May 27, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    This rookie is a sinker baller.

    Phillies always suck against sinkerball pitchers.

    Therefore the Phillies had a tough time with this rookie pitcher.

    They teach that in grade school folks.

    The Big Dipper

  60. Manny

    May 27, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Ok peeps, time to beat up their bullpen!

  61. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Bats have to come out and play at home. They have been a joke. I was down there Monday and it was such a letdown. Letting up big home runs and not scoring runs. Frustrating. Hey, at least our “dog” the Nationals are coming to town.

  62. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    Um, yeah he looks like he tweaked something.

  63. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    wow Mike, u’re a terrible fan lol

  64. Manny

    May 27, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    Where is the offense tonight?????

  65. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    Seriously, “MIKE” is ridiculous

  66. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    waiting for the Nationals and the upcoming road trip 😛

  67. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    Myers doesnt suck…he is what he is. hes a number 3 type guy.

  68. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    Why is he a number “3” guy Geoff?

    I’m not trying to be a dick, but seriously? When Myers throws some good games, “hes a great number 2.” When he throws in a bad outing, “thats just what he is, a number 3 type guy.”

  69. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    Why is he a number “3″ guy Geoff?

    I’m not trying to be a d!ck, but seriously? When Myers throws some good games, “hes a great number 2.” When he throws in a bad outing, “thats just what he is, a number 3 type guy.”

  70. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    After your ACE or number 1, the rest of the numbers do not matter.

  71. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    Geoff is correct again. Myers is a #3.

    4.00 era – 4.50 era
    30+ starts
    200ip

    He was awesome Friday at NY. Lame tonight. Thats about what you get.

  72. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    hmm not a good night for Ibanez, oh well

  73. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    So what constituts a number 2 guy?

  74. Ed

    May 27, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    I wish the offense would actually show up like the fans continue to.

  75. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Myers left the game with right hip inflammation

  76. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    #3 for myers is a label.
    every player has a label.

    Hamels is a #1
    We don’t have a #2
    Myers is a #3

  77. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    I dont think anyone on here has said hes a great number two. I cant recall it. Hes a number three. “Ace material” sometimes, and then sometimes hes not so great. Thats a 3. A 2 is more consistent then that, a 4 is still good but less consistent, and a 5 has to be consistent or else they usually get removed pretty fast from the rotation. thats usually how it goes…Myers is a 3. An overall good pitcher who has stretches where he is elite but who sometimes does get hit around.

  78. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    #2:

    3.50 – 4.00 era
    33 starts
    210ip

  79. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    what is Brad Penny?

  80. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Tonight though, the bats are quiet. not a good offensive performance. therye all bailing up there… in the words of sarge “what do you want to go to the pound and get some german shepherds and bring them to the plate with you? because you look scared up there.”

  81. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    #1

    3.50 era or below
    35 starts
    220ip

    can do this year over year, not a one-shot wonder

    johan, halliday, beckett, peavy….not many of them out there

  82. Evan

    May 27, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Rough night behind the plate. Chooch can’t carry the load by himself.

  83. Tim Malcolm

    May 27, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Again: Why I’m sick of these lineups.

    And yes, I use adjectives.

  84. Evan

    May 27, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    cxl72

    You present an ideal lineup with your 1, 2, and 3 but how many teams actually have that kind of consistency in their top starters from year to year?

  85. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    exactly cxl

  86. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    I’d put a healthy penny at a #2

    2005 – 2007

    IP ~ 190
    Starts ~ 32
    ERA ~ 3.70

  87. Manny

    May 27, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    I’m sick of it, too… Can’t we mix things up every once in a while? It’s getting kinda boring, actually… Why not let Mayberry play a whole game, for example?

  88. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    Evan, you’re 100% correct. IMO most teams have a bunch of 3s and below.

    We won the WS because Hamels pitched like a #1 and we won all 5 of his starts. Heck, he started 5 of our 11 wins.

    If there are less than 10 #1s in the game….the fact we have Hamels is huge.

  89. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    I understand everything you guys are saying, but since they have the label as a “number 3” or a “number 4”, does that allow him to pitch like crap from time to time?

    I say no, they’re all getting paid millions of dollars to all do the same thing, shut down the opponent. To me it doesn’t matter unless you have a #5 going against a Santana. Hamels gets lit up from time to time, and i dont hear anyone say well, hes a number 1, i guess we can allow it, because he’s so good.

    Myers is a capable number 2 pitcher. He has the stuff, and stretches when he’s un-hittable.

  90. Ed

    May 27, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Well the Braves spent a decade with a solid 1-3.

    Penny is a number 2 when he is healthy.

  91. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    Blanton is a number 3, Happ i guess #4, but i believe he is going to get a lot better and be much more consistent then most people will think.

    Happ has never got lit up, granted he hasn’t been pitching majors for awhile, but he always holds down the opponent.

    Moyer, well, he stinks.

  92. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    hmm no hits lately

  93. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    Personally, I set my expectations for a player based on his salary and label. Myers doesn’t disappoint me because I expect an outing like this every 3 turns or so.

    For example, I love our catchers….ruiz + coste make a combined $840,000….whatever we get out of them is pure profit because we spent the money elsewhere.

  94. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    I agree cxl on the catchers, i used to get so pissed when Ruiz would go 0-4 and what not. But honestly, his defense, arm, and clutch hitting (playoffs), is pretty damn good.

  95. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    at least we get to see a STAIRS homerun.

  96. NJ

    May 27, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    You can’t put #2’s and #3’s in such broad simplistic terms. Myers is a ‘2’ because he projects as a frontline pitcher who can handle the tough games, go deep into games and has plus stuff with 1 dominating pitch, like it or not that’s his billing so you can call him a failed ‘2’ at times but he’s not the prototypical ‘3’ who’s a guy who hasn’t got great stuff but makes his starts and eats up innings which is what a Blanton or a Garland is.

    Putting starting pitchers in such broad terms is how hack insiders like Ken Rosenthal get away with lazy reporting because most of the starting pitchers in the league are between a ‘2’ and a ‘4’ depending on the spin.

  97. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    BFD, need to hit some HR with runners on base.

  98. NJ

    May 27, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    btw is it just me or is Clay rocking it this year? I can’t tell if he’s the benefactor of easy innings or whether he flat out is just kicking ass and taking names…

  99. Evan

    May 27, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    Stairs you beast. I love it.

  100. Ed

    May 27, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    I wish Stairs would walk back to the dogout and just say “that’s how its done bitches.” and then go and sit down.

  101. Manny

    May 27, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    Stairs!

  102. Ed

    May 27, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    Dugout

  103. Brian of CO

    May 27, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    cxl72, we didnt win the world series only because of Hamels, he is the Ace, and was pitching sub 2 the entire post season I think, and remaining pitchers also stepped up big time. The same pitchers who are doing horrible this year, pretty much all had good to great starts during the post season. Blanton who looked pretty bad so far this year pitched the same way during the post season as he did yesterday. Sadly, the only consistent starting pitcher is Hamels though. Thankfully they stepped up when they really needed to last year, and hopefully they will now, but tonight is a rough night for the entire team. poor pitching, poor offense. This is typical for a slow offensive night. The only scores we have are homers. Ruiz and Stairs tonight.

  104. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    nice walk Rollins

  105. Manny

    May 27, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    He’s kicking ass, NJ.

  106. Evan

    May 27, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    I honestly thought Stairs might be an expendable guy before the year started. Dobbs was a great left hand bench bat last year and Stairs is not exactly a defensive outfielder. Turns out he’s just a fantastic addition to the this team.

  107. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    NJ, thank you for your comment on the “#2” , “#3” talk.

    Sometimes i sit here and read comments of people calling pitchers those terms, and i just wonder if they really think that or is it because Rosenthal, Olney, Gammons, Stark say it.

    If Blanton is a “number 3 or 4” how was he capable of throwing the way he did last night 7 IP 11 K 0 ER, because only number 1 & number 2 starters do that. After your ace, to me, it doesn’t matter what “number” they are, because either way, if they don’t produce, their gonna get reamed anyway.

  108. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    NJ, how can you call Brett Myers a #2??

    He’s 28 years old, never won more than 14 games on good teams and never was an all star. Someone compared him to Pat Burrell earlier which isnt too far off.

  109. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    oo ty for the error

  110. Brian of CO

    May 27, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    I would agree with your assessment of the catcher though cxl.

  111. Evan

    May 27, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    Yeah Kelly, nice play.

  112. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    alright Kelly

  113. Brian of CO

    May 27, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    This would be a GREAT time for Utley to use a little power. Ill tell you what. PLEASE

  114. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    bad baserunning…you gotta tag up there and get over.

  115. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    well almost

  116. Manny

    May 27, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    I’ll disagree and say that a successful team usually needs a solid No.1 and No.2… after that, I don’t think it’s necessary to put numbers on them… but it’s always fun. Usually it’s easy to determine how’s what after the end of the season. Last year, Hamels (1), Myers (2), Moyer (3), Blanton (4)…

  117. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Brian, it took all 25 guys to win the World Series but without Cole Hamels we had no chance. The writers were correct when they named him NLCS and WS MVP.

  118. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Thats the problem now…MOyer went from being a guy who was a solid 3 last year to basically warming up a rotation spot for someone until they can make a trade.

  119. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Cole was flat out nasty in the playoffs though. He was untouchable in Game 1 of each of the series…set the tone like you needed him to

  120. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    aww man…weeeeeeeeeak…

  121. Manny

    May 27, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    AH! Howard!

  122. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    ah that’s unfortunate

  123. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Moyer was our #3 last year and he’s not even a number in 2009 I can not find the infinity key.

  124. Ed

    May 27, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    Anyone have splits on what this teams offense looks like on the road as opposed to at home?

  125. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    well Ibanez-Werth-Feliz in the 9th

    3 straight homeruns? 😉

  126. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    I agree with Manny. If you have a solid #1 and a #2 you can roll what you want out there and have a chance. The Mets do that with Johan. They start Livan Hernandez for crying out loud.

    A great #1, solid #2 and a good offense can take you a long way.

  127. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Lindstrom has control problems…you have to be patient with him. get on base and let him meltdown, defend the strikezone with two strikes.

  128. Ed

    May 27, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    Homer….walk…single….homer…

    guy can dream can’t he?

  129. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    Stairs is up 5th too so hopefully we can get to him

  130. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Taschner might give up runs though 😛

  131. Evan

    May 27, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Ed, they showed the splits yesterday. The offense is producing something like 5 run/game at home and 6 run/game away. The pitching staff’s ERA is about 1 run higher at home too. Crazy stuff.

  132. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    I like how they havent found a way to get Mayberry involved. Hes just sitting there now…nice work there…

  133. Manny

    May 27, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    I guess we need to boo a bit more… We’ve been way too “nice” at CBP this season… gotta shake things up!!

  134. Ed

    May 27, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    I gotta agree with Geoff there. I am actually very disappointed with Charlie’s use, or nonuse of Mayberry. He serves no purpose on the bench and could use the development time in the minors.

  135. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:43 pm

  136. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Nicklas Lidstrom? He’s not playing tonight

  137. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Charlie said that the fans are thanking the players too much for last year and maybe should be harder on them

  138. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Those green hats they gave out are too light…just give out the same ones they have on st pats day in florida…

  139. Ed

    May 27, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Thanks cxl.

  140. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    Matt Lindstrom

  141. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    Oh no, Paulino kills lefties!

  142. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Joke Geoff, lol joke…

  143. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    taschner sucks…hes gone when the cheater jc romero comes back.

  144. Manny

    May 27, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Well, Tascher is kicking himself off this team….

  145. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    oh well, Taschner will be gone soon enugh

  146. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    C’Mon Charlie, look at Paulino’s stats!! You were his manager. C’Mon!!!

  147. Ed

    May 27, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Terrible terrible terrible lack of a managerial move there by Charlie…God I miss Jimy Williams.

  148. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Chooch, perfectly executed. Well worth the $415k.

  149. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    well Marlins screwed up there, but 4 runs in the 9th k let’s c

    Ibanez single
    Werth HBP
    Feliz double
    Ruiz walk
    Stairs homerun

  150. NJ

    May 27, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    Brett Myers is a number 2, if you don’t like his history call him a bad number 2 but his stuff projects him as a number 2 starter like it or not.

    1- True ace who can pitch anywhere under any condition A LA Roy Halladay
    1A- A guy who has great stuff and usually with a hell of a heater who hasn’t shown the command or intangibles to evaluate himself to being a true number 1
    2- A guy who has plus stuff and can go deep into games but usually doesn’t have the intangibles on the mound to not fall into bad situations ofter.
    3- A guy who has limited stuff or hasn’t been able to harness any of what is usually a large array of ptiches but can soak up innings and be there to make his starts no matter
    4- A more limited version of a 3 who has sustains a career through being smart on the mound like a Jeff Suppan
    5- A budding star, or guy who has the stuff but has horrendous command like Daniel Cabrera

    Of course the above is open to interpretation and can NEVER be held for gospel.

  151. haha

    May 27, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    too bad you guys dont have a pitching staff this year….

  152. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    The Gospel according to NJ

  153. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    well I was right about Feliz hitting a double

  154. NJ

    May 27, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Taschner doesn’t suck he’s just not very good but we knew he was a borderline major leaguer when he arrived and he was just brought in to soak up some innings until Romero returns and Eyre goes back to his previous role.

  155. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Your right “haha”, its just too bad, what a grrrrreat call

  156. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    nice…now…jhust flick a base hit out into RF and you get two runs..ruiz…

  157. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    TMac is nuts, its a 4 run game. So a guy (maybe) takes an extra base because the OF dived. Its not a 1 run game.

  158. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    well that’s a terrible AB by Ruiz

  159. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. no no no no no no. please let matt stairs drill one over the bricks…id love to see that. please..

  160. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    Right NJ, we pay Tashner ~ $400k, what do you expect? A young Dave Righetti??

  161. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    or Stairs can walk and Rollins can hit a grandslam 😉

  162. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Can’t stand TMac..

    On the radio they were saying that when Texiera hit that broken bat homer, that he dropped the F bomb on air, but he kind of mumbled it.. anyone know if thats try or what not?

  163. NJ

    May 27, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Not the gospel according to NJ- Just what most tend to define those ‘roles’ as… If you disagree feel free to give the alternative.

  164. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    NJ, a guys “stuff” doesn’t project his “number”. Daniel Cabrera has #1 stuff and gets pitching coaches fired but was released yesterday with an ERA ~ 6.00 and isn’t a number 2.

    Myers HAD nice stuff but with a fastball around 91 or so isnt that good.

  165. Geoff

    May 27, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    nice…bases loaded. now…just keep the inning alive. be patient. get a base hit. work a walk. let lindstrom get wild again and beat himself. make him throw strikes.

  166. Manny

    May 27, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Grand slam Jimmy? Time to redeem himself

  167. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    well at least we don’t go down easily lol

  168. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    He was optioned to AAA cxl72….

    Is Stairs on the wall of fame in Asburn alley yet?

  169. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    oh well, I blame the loss on Cairo.

  170. CT

    May 27, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    i had a feeling jimmy wouldn’t be able to do anything. boooooo.

  171. Greg V.

    May 27, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    I hate to be the guy that says it, but Raul gets the Jeltz tonight.

  172. Desi Relaford

    May 27, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Jimmy Rollins has no marbles.

  173. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    yes I agree. terrible Raul. after voting for him 125 times today it’s disappointing.

  174. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    goodbye first place, we’ll get u back this weekend 🙂

  175. Keeg

    May 27, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    That was…a pretty poor game all around. Had a chance to get a few early with the bases loaded, Raul didn’t come through. And again at the end…no dice for Rollins. Myers wasn’t even looking that good, and now he might be hurt. Damn. Haha. Our home woes continue. Why?!

  176. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    On MLB.com Myers fastest pitch was 92mph tonight. He has many more 88-89mph fastballs in there. His 12-6 curve ball isnt what is used to be. Its not an accident he gives up so many homeruns.

    He is what he is.

    30 starts, 4.00+ era, 200ip

  177. Greg V.

    May 27, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Yeah I voted for him a ton myself

  178. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Ouch, Raul gets the Jeltz? Hmmn…maybe Myers. The whole damn team should have bags over their heads after todays game.

  179. NJ

    May 27, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    cxl72 you can’t go by the numbers so simplistically, if you do then Clay Condrey is our set-up man but he isn’t. A starters ‘number’ is only really based on his skillset. Aaron Harrang is a number 2, he was last year when he was getting knocked around and he is still this year when he’s doing the business.

    Myers has the skillset of a 2, he just doesn’t consistently fit his billing. As for Daniel Cabrera he was a 5 because he’s the guy who has the stuff but has horrendous command so he’s spent his career in the back of rotations with his team hoping he can hold down his job at least, before being kicked to the curb which we all expected.

  180. Greg B

    May 27, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    Well, sh$t. This was supposed to be a W.

  181. Keith

    May 27, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    off day tomorrow then it’s time to sweep the Nationals this weekend

  182. The Little Guy

    May 27, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    They won’t sweep the Nationals, mark my words.

  183. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    Its funny NJ because I think your text descriptions aren’t that bad.

    The fact that you think Brett Myers is a #2 just makes everything else suspect.

    Can you hear Ricky Bo on TV, “Myers is not throwing 97, his curve isn’t nasty nasty”. His stuff is just ok.

    And of course you assign numbers, this is baseball, the perfect game for numbers and statistics.

  184. NJ

    May 27, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    That’s just beating on a guy… How many top pitchers don’t throw high nineties! Cole doesn’t, Don’t think Halladay or Webb’s 4 seamer usually goes that high. Brett has one of the nastiest curves in the game, even a passing spectator can see that pitch is just devastating when used right… His sweeping curve’s nastier than Lou Pinella’s temper.

    I just mean the ‘numbers for starters’ tends to be defined by skillet. I kind of see the numbers in stats terms as recognition for what a guy has or hasn’t done. Unfortunately for Myers he hasn’t delivered the numbers to fit what he’s always had the ability to do and his fastball seems to have regressed.

  185. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    3- A guy who has limited stuff or hasn’t been able to harness any of what is usually a large array of ptiches but can soak up innings and be there to make his starts no matter
    ______

    Brett Myers has been a starter since 2002 and can not put it together consistently. He throws a few different type of slow fastballs, a curve, has never been an all star is 73-63 in his career.

    I’m using your own defintion and IMO he fits it to a tee.

  186. cxl72

    May 27, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    Myers also has a slider too. According to MLB.com he gave up homers tonight on the 4 seam fastball and the slider. So he throws….

    Fastball
    4 seam fastball
    Curveball
    Slider

    Only one pitch, the curveball, I would consider noteworthy. And its certainly not what is was when he was younger.

    I’m not a Brett Myers hater. I have moderate expectations for him and he meets them. Maybe we’ll talk again when he goes out there next week.

  187. NJ

    May 27, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    I appreciate what your saying I just think your really selling the guy short. Believe his fastball velocity has dropped from the 92-94 range down to the high eighties but that curve isn’t just a curve, that’s a monster curve that gets overused because he has issues with his fastball. I really wouldn’t put him into a category with the guys who have tons of pitches like Blanton who throws everything OK and nothing consistently well.

    Brett’s always had the stuff he just has got the intangibles to make his curve work like Cole works his circle-change and his change up isn’t great so he uses his curve as his primary pitch which is never good for a guy who needs to be aggressive to be effective.

  188. NJ

    May 27, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Cole too only has one GREAT pitch, his fastball isn’t great and his regular change is hittable as well as the curve which he admit stinks, thing is his circle-change is just insanely good and he pitches with his head.

    Myers has that one very good pitch but doesn’t have the command of his fastball that Cole has despite at least earlier in his career having better velocity, thing is he has a 2 cent head on the mound and we beat down on him because we expected this guy to be a perennial 20 game winner.

  189. mikemike

    May 28, 2009 at 7:43 am

    I would love to make a comment , but the little guy said I AM TOO OLD AT FIFTY SEVEN TO HAVE A OPINION?

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