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If Mayberry Stays, He Plays

MayberryCharlie Manuel told reporters he wants John Mayberry Jr. to stick with the major league team for a little while. It’s good news for the slugging outfielder, who will attempt to prove his worth as an everyday player.

But Mayberry can’t prove anything if he stays on the bench too much. Moreover, the Phillies can’t determine whether Mayberry could be an everyday player for them – which would then allow them to explore possibly moving Jayson Werth for pitching. So if they’re going to keep Big John Stud up for a while, they need to start him as much as possible.

Tonight would be a start. It wouldn’t be a bad night to sit Raul Ibanez, who despite his hot play, is 0-for-6 lifetime against scheduled Florida starter Andrew Miller. Maybe tomorrow would be a good time to sit Jayson Werth, mired in a 2-for-27 slump, against righty Burke Badenhop.

The Phillies need to give Mayberry a chance to succeed and show his value. In the long run, it would benefit the Phils in spades.

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  1. pb

    May 26, 2009 at 10:59 am

    I think Vic could get the night off especially after that play last night. He hasn’t had one all season so it will definitely come while Mayberry is the big club. LF Ibanez, CF Werth, RF Mayberry

    and the lineup will be something like this…

    Rollins
    Utley
    Werth
    Howard/Ibanez
    Ibanez/Howard
    Feliz/Mayberry or
    Mayberry/Feliz
    Ruiz

  2. Bruce

    May 26, 2009 at 11:19 am

    I definitely would sit Werth at the first opportunity since he has looked so dreadful in a 2 for 27 slump. Ibanez who had the assigned role as DH in weekend series against the Yankees and which qualifies as a modified “rest” on the bench, has to continue to play. The team needs his bat while he is still hot.

  3. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 11:24 am

    This season, I can foresee that the first stopgap guy they try to get could be cheap: Cook would only cost Kendrick & Savery plus maybe a throw in. Same with Marquis.

    But to get that second top end guy, the number two. Itll cost them either Wer or Victorino plus Carrasco and maybe one or two other decent prospects.

    Bedard is going to walk anyway so thats not worth it, so I think if theyre going to get someone that good hed better be around more than two months.

    Tonight: Mayberry should start in place of Shane Victorino, tomorrow in place of Werth. You need to see what hes got.

  4. Pat Gallen, Phils Examiner

    May 26, 2009 at 11:35 am

    When Romero comes back, isn’t Mayberry going to be the one to go? The bullpen needs help and everyone besides Lidge is pitching pretty well.

  5. Justin

    May 26, 2009 at 11:45 am

    You know i wouldn’t mind talking to the Red Sox to see what could be worked out if the Phils offer Jayson Werth for any of their pitching prospects, Bard/Bucholz/etc. and see what Werth and maybe 1 prospect would get in return as opposed to all prospects. I know that I’d rather see the Phils deal him to the AL then see him come to town every year. I don’t want anything to do with Erik Bedard the Mariners are pricing him out of range. The Astros would have no use for Werth with Pence/Bourn/Lee/Berkman etc. in that crowded outfield. The Orioles don’t have any room for him either so there really aren’t a whole lot of teams that would have interest in an outfielder.

    Any ideas on teams that need an outfielder that may have a pitcher on the block, preferrably on the AL side?

  6. The Dispy

    May 26, 2009 at 11:48 am

    Geoff, no way they get Cook for that. Kendrick is soooooo over and Savery is a marginal prospect right now. But that would be great. As for Mayberry, they do have to play him now cuz he’s too old (in a profession where 25 can be considered old) to stay down. If you’re gonna start him 2-3 days a week…fine. Otherwise, trade him or trade Vic or Werth to open up the spot (which I would never do). His stock is probably high right now. Remember, he had his stance changed around in spring training and started to fall back into “bad habits” at the end of spring training. I love the guy. Quite simply, and I thought I would never say this, in Marson, Donald and Mayberry, we may just have an embarrassment of riches right now.

    The Dipsy

  7. Pat Gallen, Phils Examiner

    May 26, 2009 at 11:49 am

    Word is Penny is available for a “decent” prospect. Maybe a guy like Sampson or Galvis might get it done? I really dont think teams will be lining up trying to give the farm for a guy like Penny.

  8. The Dispy

    May 26, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Pat, when Romero comes back we drop Taschner like fourth period French.

    The Dipsy

  9. Bruce

    May 26, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Geoff, “the dipsy” needs you over in the other thread to indulge in that wish list of pitchers you so desire. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Pat Gallen, good point about Romero. I believe it’s June 3rd that Romero returns. Until that time Manual will probably look for every opportunity to give Mayberry Jr some playing time (pinch hitting, double switches, substituting) to get a read on what he can do at this level of play. If Mayberry Jr excells, then it’s a pleasant problem for Manual come June 3rd.

  10. Pat Gallen, Phils Examiner

    May 26, 2009 at 11:54 am

    if they cant get enough at-bats for Mayberry though, it would seem counter-intuitive to have him sit around on the bench when he could be getting reps and refining his skills in Triple-A. I agree, Taschner should be dropped, but you can never have enough arms.

  11. The Little Guy

    May 26, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Clay Bucholtz?

  12. Bruce

    May 26, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Oh, oh..too late. Now you have done it Geoff. The rest of this thread will belong to the baseball fantasy GM wanna be’s with the ever present wish list in hand. Enjoy your time here. Just one reminder, it’s another TWO months before the non-waiver july 31st deadline. Oh hum……

  13. Manny

    May 26, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Even Taschner (and his 3.66 ERA) has been good! Look at the last 10 games he’s pitched, and there’s only one poor outing (a blown save against the Braves on May 10th)… everything else has been pretty good. But he’s still gotta go when JC comes back!

  14. J. Weitzel

    May 26, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Good topic. At some point, it becomes a waste to sit on a 25-year-old prospect whose ceiling with this team is in a platoon anyway. Mayberry will get his shots to produce with Interleague approaching and players needing time off. Werth could use time off. Riding the pine is just how it goes sometimes. Chase Utley sat the bench at first. Just the way it goes, especially on a team as deep as the Phils. The Phils just so happen to really need his RH bat, so Mayberry is a nice fit. I’m sure he’s thrilled to be away from a terrible IronPigs team.

  15. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Well since thats the main problem for this team right now its logical to discuss it at length.

  16. Steve-o

    May 26, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Here is a thought. The BoSox have a surplus of pitching available. They also desperately need a SS. Why haven’t we talked to them about Jason Donald for Clay Buckholtz or Daniel Bard?

  17. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    I agree though that hes gotta play today and tomorrow. See if hes any good so we can decide who we can afford to trade for pitching.

  18. Ed

    May 26, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Taschner will get sent down because he still has options left. Where as everyone else would be put on waivers first and the Phillies would risk losing them for nothing.

  19. The Dispy

    May 26, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    Penny is ok as a 3/4. Arm problems? Geoff or Mikemike, what do you know about this Overbeck cat thats hitting the carp out of the ball down in A ball. He’s got 54 rbis.

    The Dipsy

  20. The Dispy

    May 26, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    Penny is ok as a 3/4. Arm problems? Geoff or Mikemike, what do you know about this Overbeck cat thats hitting the crap out of the ball down in A ball. He’s got 54 rbis.

    The Dipsy

  21. NJ

    May 26, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Why not talked to the BoSox about Jason Donald for Bucholz or Bard… Probably because Epstein would tell Amaro to go F himself and then mail him a brown bag full of crap.

  22. Steve-o

    May 26, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Really NJ? That’s what he’d do? Have you seen the Sox SS performance? It’s brutal. I think Buckholtz, more than Bard, can be had. Would they do Donald straight up? Probably not, but instead of mailing him a bag of crap, as you so intellectually put it, they would negotiate. A deal could absolutely be worked out. Buckholtz would be cheaper than established veterans, and he wouldn’t be a 2 month rental. And our main trade chip would be a guy who’s more than likely blocked from the majors for at least another year.

  23. Ed

    May 26, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Dipsy what Overbeck are you talking about? Cody Overbeck on the Threshers is batting like 150 something with 1 homer and I don’t even think he has 10 rbi.

  24. pb

    May 26, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    With the state of most team’s pens it should be possible to deal Taschner for somebody’s 4th or 5th outfielder. That way Mayberry can get his regular AB’s in Triple A….. say a Gabe Kapler type

  25. Ed

    May 26, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    In what world is Buchholz more available than Bard? The guy is dominating at AAA with a 3-1 record and a 1.30 era. Not to mention he already has a no hitter in his brief MLB career. If anyone in Boston is getting traded its Brad Penny.

  26. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    havent heard of him…

  27. NJ

    May 26, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Geoff what planet were you on when you came up with those two trade packages above?

    Steve-O if you think Bucholz or Bard are available you should apply for a job as an exec with the Phillies because you must know something no-one else in the league does…

  28. Steve-o

    May 26, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    I’m saying they are all available because of their depth. Their rotation and minor league depth are ridiculous.

  29. NJ

    May 26, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    BTW if the Sox are ‘desperate’ to make move and acquire a shortstop more than a defensive one it’ll be Jack Wilson.

  30. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    gabe kepler got traded last week…

    number twos under contract beyond this year wont be cheap (think what itd take to get dan haren, who isnt even available, btu if he was.)

  31. NJ

    May 26, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    I think we should call Peter Gammons with some breaking news that there’s a source named Steve-o on phillinesnation.com that will confirm that the Red Sox are willing to deal their top prospects.

  32. Pat Gallen, Phils Examiner

    May 26, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    The names right now look like Penny, Cook, Marquis, PEAVY!…Who wants Jake Peavy…with the Phillies embarrassment of riches, we could definitely get ourselves a Jake Peavy, no?

    Anyway, Id rather see Mayberry get his reps for one more year, or at least til September call ups. And no, trading Werth or Victorino should not be an option.

  33. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    NJ…read MLBTR…it says repeatedly that they are available for a catcher or a shortstop. they just are holding out for the best deal.

  34. NJ

    May 26, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Their not ‘available’, Matt Cain or Roy Halladay aren’t ‘available’… And taking MLBTR for gospel is like quoting from wikipedia, its a collection of writers opinions that are on rarely accompanied by a teams response. Todd Zolecki’s speculation about Peavy was speculation as it came with no response from the team as was Ken Rosenthal’s on the Phillies looking for starting pitching.

    If Daniel Bard, one of the best prospects in baseball was ‘available’ for trade don’t you think he’d be with another organisation right now?

  35. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Actually, Wikipedia is sourced at the bottom, so you can quote it. Just use the sources that they use.

    Not necessarily. Of course theyre not going to say anything, because everyone in baseball knows theyre in desperate need of more starting pitching.

  36. Keith

    May 26, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    the trade deadline is a long way from now.

  37. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    that doesnt mean you wait until then. the phillies cant wait that long to act on this problem.

  38. Steve-o

    May 26, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    NJ, you really expect teams to comment on everything a beat writer says? And what do you think, the reports are made up? Sources spill to writers. It’s not always golden, but to take what’s written and completely dismiss it all the time won’t do you anything either. If Buckholtz or Bard are 5% available, then my personal opinion is that it’s worth looking into, and making a very large offer.

  39. Dave S

    May 26, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Toronto seems to have a collection of arms.

  40. The Dispy

    May 26, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Bard, Buckholz? Why? So we can have two greenhorns in our starting rotation (Happ)? F that. Am I wrong when I represent the following:

    1) Marson is blocked.
    2) Donald is blocked.
    3) Mayberry is blocked. Trade Werth or Vic if you want so Mayberry can play but thats a mistake. Remember, Mayberry was a nobody before spring training. This is no time to break in a rookie.
    4) Other teams really like Marson and Donald and maybe Mayberry, too.

    We can’t “get married” to our good prospects. Play em or trade em. And get a real good picther while you’re at it.

    The Dipsy

  41. Keith

    May 26, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    It’d be nice to get a real good pitcher, but is that possible at this point in the season? by the deadline yeah, but now?

  42. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    right on dipsy. Donald is the most valuable of the blocked guys to me because hes learning to play several positions and I think hell be in the big leagues next year in some fashion. Hes getting time at Third in AAA in case Feliz isnt here next year.

  43. Keith

    May 26, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    okay let’s go after Halladay, Peavy, and Lee

    after getting those 3 we’ll be solid

    Hamels, Halladay, Peavy, Lee, Myers

    Moyer retires

    Park and Cairo are traded

    ๐Ÿ˜‰

  44. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Sure it is. The Sabathia trade was early July last year. Trades will be happening earlier and earlier. Peavy almost got traded last week. It can Happen.

  45. Bruce

    May 26, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    I couldn’t resist while still online.. MLBTR..what does it spell? RUMORS GALORE! A heaven for all GM wanna be’s. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Ok, I’ll mind my own business and check out.

  46. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Now youre just being adolescent douches. Nobody is saying anything close to that.

  47. Keith

    May 26, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Halladay won’t be traded with Toronto in the race, I don’t even think he’ll be traded anyway

    Peavy wants to be in the NL Central

    but what about Lee?

  48. Steve-o

    May 26, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    The only guy available right now is probably Penny, although he can’t be traded before June 15th without his consent. He’ll probably be traded right around that time though, since the Sox have to activate Smoltz before June 19th.

    Also, the latest from Ken Rosenthal is:
    Phillies in search of starter

    The Phillies’ rotation appears to be stabilizing, but club officials still will be aggressive in their search for rotation help.

    The team, which already has made an inquiry on Rockies right-hander Jason Marquis, plans to investigate every available option, recognizing that ace left-hander Cole Hamels is their only starter with electric stuff.

    Financial flexibility might be less of an issue for the Phillies than it is for other clubs. While their payroll is a record $132 million, the Phils already have sold more than 3 million tickets. The club’s entire nucleus is signed long-term, and the organization has prospects to spare for trades.

    Excluding Peavy, who probably would not his waive his no-trade clause for the Phillies, Mariners left-hander Erik Bedard represents perhaps the most intriguing fit.

    Bedard, unlike fellow M’s lefty Jarrod Washburn, is a difference-maker. As a potential free agent, he would have every reason to be on his best behavior. But his prickly makeup could be an issue, particularly in Philadelphia.

    Some in the industry continue to speculate that the Red Sox will trade right-hander Daniel Bard, or at least return him to Class AAA.
    One rival scout says Bard’s stock “is as high as it’s ever going to be.” Another says. “He’s a (radar) gun guy, a one-pitch pony. He throws hard, but it’s right down the middle. It’s dead straight โ€” I mean, dead straight. And his slider is not a power slider.”

  49. The Dispy

    May 26, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Keith stop being a child. Thats not what we’re saying. A scenario: Amaro calls the Blue Jays in 3 weeks when they’re in the middle of an 11 game lsing styreak and says: Marson, Donald, and Mayberry for Halladay. If you’re the Blue Jays do you do it? Humor me here, I’m going somewhere.

    The Dipsy

  50. The Dispy

    May 26, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Bedard. Ok, so thats FOUR lefties in the rotation. If don’t even like having three. Oy.

    The Dispy

  51. Keith

    May 26, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    so we should get Bedard then. okay. will he be a #2?

  52. NJ

    May 26, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    5% available means unavailable and teams do comment on the rumors that have foundation. Don’t you think if Bard or Bucholz are available then the Phils have ‘looked into it’ and at ‘95% unavailable’ have realised being able to deal for either of them is virtually impossible.

    Also you can’t see prospects so broadly as play them or trade them because there are prospects like ours littered around the league in the same situation and the only prospects blocked in the Phils system are those only able to play 1st and 2nd. A la Mike Costanzo although hopefully not with the same result our prospects are not ready to be everyday major leaguers.

  53. Keith

    May 26, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    I was just kidding, notice the ๐Ÿ˜‰ at the end of that post.

    and no Toronto shouldn’t make that trade lol.

  54. Steve-o

    May 26, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    I honestly don’t think Halladay gets traded regardless of what happens with Toronto. If anything, this year has shown Toronto they are closer than they thought to competing.
    And where’s the 4th lefty? Bedard would replace Moyer, not Blanton.

  55. NJ

    May 26, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Quoting Ken Rosenthal is like quoting the guy on the corner… Fox are an entertainment only bias source of baseball who’ll throw everything out the window for a good ‘rumor’ and Ken Rosenthal fuels that with his stars only brand of baseball analysis.

    Lets think of it this way, the Phils are looking into trade opportunities at value. Any other serious speculation here is like a dog chasing its tail.

    Some of you guys get so serious and invested in trade ideas that are frankly ridiculous because if the Phils could pull them off so could anyone else. Throwing out some names and ideas for some banter is one thing but too often it goes too far here and waters down good fan discussion with dishwater fan analysis.

  56. Chuck P

    May 26, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    I do agree Dipsy but I don’t think that you can give up on guys too early. It’s a lot easier to fill gaps when you money to work with and the best way to accomplish that is to groom talent. That doesn’t mean you give up on someone because they don’t do well in a one-week callup (I am eluding to Geoff’s comments that we’re going to “see what Mayberry’s got” over these next couple of games) but homegrown talent is cheaper than FA guys like Cook and Marquis and any of the other names being tossed around. Those that are blocked are expendable but you have to get value in return. You can’t just throw them away for a guy like Jason Marquis.

    I love how people assume that guys like Marquis are going to come here and shut it down… well, they’re not. You’re likely going to overpay for those mid-tier guys because you feel like you have to do something. Unless we can persuade Peavy to come here or land an Erik Bedard, I’ll pass and keep the prospects we’ve got.

  57. The Dispy

    May 26, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    NJ. Huh? Yes, for this team it IS as simple as play em or trade em. Did you say “Mike Costanzo”? Wow. LF – Blocked (Ibanez) SS – Blocked (Rollins) C- I am not trading Ruiz. You’re NOT going to slot Donald into CF or LF this year. Mayberry either. If you do you’re crazy. This is WS team not a rebuilding team. You wanna trade Vic or Werth, go ahead but make sure a suitable replacement comes back along with the pitching you better be getting.

    The Dispy

  58. Steve-o

    May 26, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    I’ll throw something else out there…i’ll probably get a ton of crap for this but here goes…how about Pedro Martinez? rumor has it, (go ahead NJ, freak out, i used that word) that he’ll take 3M plus incentives. We wouldn’t have to part with any prospects, and he COULD be a solid contributor as he tries to show he’s still got some tread on his tires.

    again, call me crazy, but looking to get a bit creative.

  59. Keith

    May 26, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    I think Blanton will pitch well tonight.

  60. The Dispy

    May 26, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Steve-O! Love that idea. I would take him in a heartbeat. Atta way to use the ole noggin. BUT! There must be a reason he’s not playing for anyone else, dontcha think?

    The Dipsy

  61. Pat Gallen, Phils Examiner

    May 26, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    I would rather poke my eyes out than give Pedro Martinez $3M to stink it up at CBP. Thanks, but seriously, no thanks. Go after Penny, most logical choice. Won’t cost a ton, can step in and be a solid 3 behind Myers and Hamels.

  62. NJ

    May 26, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Oh my god how fickle can you be, HOW MANY TEAMS REPEAT? how many teams don’t even end up near the playoffs after a World Series appearance. Do you see the Angels or Red Sox or even Cubs going crazy to throw everything in for now? NO because they all understand there’s an intellegence to this game and the Yankees proved you can’t buy a championship by mortgaging everything for now. How can we insult the Mets for the lack of intellegence and understanding of a roster and then suggest we do the same??

    LF is not blocked, Ibanez deal does run 3 years but a player is only blocked WHEN HE’S MAJOR LEAGUE EVERYDAY READY and both Victorino and Werth are nearing big money years with an already escolating payroll. Yes I forgot to mention SS but 3rd is not blocked, catcher is not blocked, the bullpen and rotation is not blocked with barely any lengthy contracts.

    I love Marson but he’s been on the scene 5 minutes and is not a raw catcher, Mayberry is starting to develop into a viable major league and needs minor league seasoning. Donald has got caught up in a numbers game but he hasn’t forced his way up and some of you talk like these guys are shoulder to shoulder with Ryan Howard.

    THE PHILLIES ARE LEADING THE NL EAST! Have you guys not looked at the standings? You can’t act like a repeat and even a shoo-in for the play-offs is an absolute… The team is improving and the front office will make improvements yet some here are talking like its the bloody apocolypse… GROW UP!

  63. The Dispy

    May 26, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Keith. Wanna bet? Over/ under on ER given up: 4 1/2. I’ll take the over. Want it? For a slurpee.

    The Dipsy

  64. NJ

    May 26, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    No-one wants Pedro and we should give him $3m and a guaranteed roster spot when no-one else will? Are we really more intellegent about baseball than the scouts the teams employ.

    If some of you are going to hold to such ridiculous ideas about the game please become scouts and execs, proove the rest of us wrong.

  65. The Dispy

    May 26, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    OH MY GOD N.J. YOU FREAKIN’ FREAK! You sound like Joe Banner. So lemme get this straight…..you wanna keep guys around to replace Ibanez IN THREE YEARS!!??!! You don’t wanna throw all in cuz the odds are against us repeating???????? I can’t believe I’m hearing this. Trade Ruiz???? Thats right Doanld is caught in a numbers game. Know why? HE’S BLOCKED. My ears are burning right now. F it. Trade everyone and rebuild so we can win the Series in 2013. Good lord! TIIIIIIIMMMMMM!

    The Dipsy

  66. mikemike

    May 26, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    The only argument against a trade right now for a top starter Like Peavy is they are hot and what kind of message does it send to the fans.On may 26 you are throwing in the towel. Unless you are making a trade with boston for there excess pitching, or tradeing one ace for another, it makes sense to wait. The teams don’t want to send a message that they are packing it in at this early stage. so after thinking about it yes they will wait most likely until trade deadline.

  67. Griffin

    May 26, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Would the Phillies be willing to trade Lou Marson for Brad Penny or Marson/Donald for Aaron Cook? Those are the types of deals I can see the Phillies looking into.

  68. Keith

    May 26, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    okay, so we’ll wait until the deadline . . .

  69. metsies

    May 26, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Phillies fans seem to be cranky oh why are you guys cranky when you are in first place? Is it because my metsies are right behind?

    The Dipsy

  70. mikemike

    May 26, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Griffin they traded three better prospects for Blanton, So For cook they would give that plus Drabek, based on what they gave for blanton, And why not how offend can you get a 33 year old lifetime 4’58 era with 1100 plus innings and over 1300 hits given up he has given up 200 more hits than innings pitched. This guy is a superstar.

  71. Pat Gallen, Phils Examiner

    May 26, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    There is no way the Phils would do Marson for Penny…thats too much for an oft-injured #3. The Phillies have some “Savery” younger prospects they could give up. I wouldnt give up more than 2 prospects for Penny, and I dont think the Sox would get much otherwise.

  72. NJ

    May 26, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    The Dispy plain up and down you are a douche. You draw the line when you start actually insulting people. Your baseball accument is on a par with a chiwawa, you just bark on…

  73. Keith

    May 26, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Phillies should’ve signed Derek Lowe, oh well.

  74. metsies

    May 26, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    I am not a douche. I am a metsies fan.

    The Dipsy

  75. Tim Malcolm

    May 26, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    I just made a new Marquis/Bedard thread. So continue the argument there.

  76. Bryan Adams

    May 26, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    We’re gonna win
    Don’t wanna be a loser, gonna win
    ‘Cuz winnin’ really is the only thing
    Get out of the way we’re comin’ in
    If you wanna fight just step inside the ring
    Does anybody wanna take a swing?
    It’s gotta be all or nothin’
    Oh, we’re gonna be the champions
    Yeah, we’re goin’ all the way, we’re gonna win, win

    go phillies, beat those fish

  77. Griffin

    May 26, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    You’re right mikemike, they did give up more than that for Blanton. I wonder if Penny would be the cheapest option then, since he’s a FA at the end of the season. (I doubt he’d be a Type A since he was hurt last year, right?).

    As far as Cook, he’s in the first year of a 3 yr/$30 mil extension. The GM and manager are on their way out, so trading Cook may hasten their own exit. I’m not sure if Cook will get moved.

  78. The Dispy

    May 26, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    “Freak” is not an insult. “Douche” is. If you considered an insult I apologize. What I won’t apologize is questioning, albeit in harsh terms, your “wait til next year, or what the hell, even the year after that” approach when we’re one of the best 5 teams in the league now. Foot on the gas. You will see in the next two months or so that the Phils feel the same way. And the word is “acumen”.

    The Dipsy

  79. tflynn

    May 26, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    the dipsy is the truth

  80. Steve-A

    May 26, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    I’ve seen Burke Badenhop, who’s starting against us tomorrow night, pitch a couple of times this year. Let’s hope his sinker ball isnt “on” Wed. night. Nasty stuff at times!

  81. metsies

    May 26, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    you post as The Dispy

    and you end with The Dipsy

    The Dipsy

  82. NJ

    May 26, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    my bad on the spelling… Being one of the 5 best teams doesn’t mean you start making every deal you can, did it help the Yankees? Did the Red Sox do it after breaking the curse? Answers NO

    The Phils aren’t waiting till next year, it’s a record payroll with a good development system in place which will solidify the Phillies standing as a powerhouse for years along with the Red Sox, Angels, Cubbies etc.

  83. Keith

    May 26, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    I agree, Phillies will be just fine ๐Ÿ˜€

  84. The Dispy

    May 26, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    You’re actually serious. Which is sick. Dude…Myers is an FA, Eaton comes off next year, the rest of Thome comes off. Money is not an issue. Do you remember a guy named Manny Ramirez that got traded last year to the Dodgers? Sabathia to the Brewers? Those teams sucked before those teams got them. They made the playoffs. And thats just last year. So, lemme get this straight (and I didn’t say “make every deal you can”…please don’t misquote me). You would propose we keep our pitching intact and wait till they come around and continue to groom our young players so we may have a solid team for the next five to seven years. Am I getting that right?

    The Dispy

  85. NJ

    May 26, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    This is a championship team dude leading its division… Your right dippy you are so right. We hail you baseball genuis. You know more than the rest of us and your knowledge exceeds that of names like Billy Beane and Theo Epstein. Ruben is inferior to you and your immense baseball knowledge and debating skills.

    my handle: NJ says everyone listen to the Dippy, ‘he knows best’

  86. The Dispy

    May 26, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Well, its a retort like that that really kills a thread. Best of luck.

    The Dipsy

  87. Richie Allen

    May 26, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    I dont see the point in even talking about second hand pitchers to replace Moyer and/or Blanton.
    They are starting to do what they are expected to do….. 5-6 innings pitched and 3-4 runs given up.Keep us in the game, then our offense takes over .We should be more patient.
    But if we can land Peavy,or a pitcher of that quality,..thats different..go for it!
    I think I’m more worried about Lidge than Moyer or Blanton at this point.

  88. J A Happy

    May 26, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    My sister plays in a girls softball leauge,and the name of her team is the “METSIES” any relation ?

  89. PhillyCooke

    May 26, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Anybody know whether Miguel Cairo accepted his assignment to AAA or whether he’s gone in search of another bench job?

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