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Rumors: Jason Marquis, Erik Bedard

Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports reports the Phillies are deep searching for a starting pitcher. He first alluded to this Saturday during the Phillies-Yankees game, and he’s now fleshing out the report with two specific names: Jason Marquis and Erik Bedard.

Marquis, 30, is 6-3 with a 4.45 ERA this season for Colorado. Spending his entire career in the National League, Marquis has resided in the 4.50 ERA range – definitively league average.

Bedard, 30, is 2-2 with a 2.64 ERA this season for Seattle. He has been much more effective throughout his career, capable of dominance. He would likely require a little more than Marquis, but as his contract expires at the end of the season, wouldn’t command too much.

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  1. BDphils

    May 26, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    I believe Marquis got one of those wins against us, didn’t he?

    Either way, both would be an upgrade if Blanton/Moyer don’t come around (although both are showing that they are).

    I heard heard Bedard isn’t really a team guy though, which definitely doesn’t fit in the current clubhouse.

  2. NJ

    May 26, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    I’ll believe Bedard when I see it as we’ve been down this road before, everyone wanting a starting pitchers in the running for him which is just typical of Ken Rosenthal reporting. Washburn would be an interesting idea, believe he’s coming to the end of his deal and the Mariners were said to want rid of whats lef on his deal in a hurry.

  3. Albert

    May 26, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    If Joe Blanton returns to his career norms, he is a better pitcher than Jason Marquis.

  4. Steve-o

    May 26, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    Bedard seemed interested in coming to the Phillies last season, when his name popped up pretty frequently in trade talks with the Phillies near the deadline. Knowing Charlie, I’d expect him to stick with Blanton and Moyer for a while longer. And I think Bedard would be on pretty good behavior, especially since he’s basically have a 2 month audition for a new contract.

  5. Ed

    May 26, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    I have heard repeatedly that Bedard is not a great club house guy. Very much a loner. I have friends that are Orioles and Mariners fans, both very tuned into their teams and both have said the same things. Team mates don’t dislike him but they could really careless that he is there. Don’t forget like a year ago he basically shut himself down…very Manny esque…

    I ask you, a team that seems as close as the Phillies do, do you want that type of personality here? Some will say that guys like Utley and J-Roll will keep that person under control, and maybe thats the case, but is it worth it?

  6. Marc H

    May 26, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Bedard and Washburn are interesting names, but I wouldn’t want to see the Phillies mortagage the future (e.g. Stutes , Taylor or Knapp ) for a one year rental.

    Marquis is a creeer journeryman who isn’t better than anything that we already have

  7. joe

    May 26, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Bedard for a reasonable price yes. Marquis no. Any idea what bedard would cost to sign for a 2 or 3 year deal?

  8. Dave

    May 26, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    The question for me is: who gets replaced if they do land someone? Blanton and Moyer both have been equally bad this year. Moyer’s probably a bit more popular with the fans, but Blanton (at this point) has more upside. I’m thinking that Moyer gets the boot. Anybody else have an opinion?

  9. Ed

    May 26, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Well Bedard is making 7.75 mil, I would think a 2 or 3 year deal would start there and escalate a small amount each year. Thinking the shorter the contract the more money per year.

  10. Steve-o

    May 26, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    I think by the time any deal would take place, the Phillies would have a clear idea as to who would get the boot. Both Moyer and Blanton still have a good month and a half to prove their worth though. I don’t like the idea of Marquis.
    And Joe, I think Bedard would cost too much for the Phillies. His stuff is fantastic, but his clubhouse presence, as noted already in this thread, is worrisome, as is his history of injuries. I don’t think he’s be worth a long time investment. Not to mention he’s already 30 years old.

  11. Scott B

    May 26, 2009 at 2:32 pm


    I agree with what you said about Blaton > Marquis. I see Blanton turning things around (knocking on wood) while Moyer continues to give up a lot of hits. Less runs but the hits are still way up there. I’m worried about that.

    Lets not give up young guys for 6 month pitching rentals.

  12. Steve-o

    May 26, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    I think by the time any deal would take place, the Phillies would have a clear idea as to who would get the boot. Both Moyer and Blanton still have a good month and a half to prove their worth though. I don’t like the idea of Marquis.
    And Joe, I think Bedard would cost too much for the Phillies. His stuff is fantastic, but his clubhouse presence, as noted already in this thread, is worrisome, as is his history of injuries. I don’t think he’s be worth a long term investment. Not to mention he’s already 30 years old.

  13. Philly Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    What do you do with Moyer if he is given the boot? Bullpen?

    Also, I like Marquis, good team guy and a great athlete. He can pinch hit and run, which would give us one decent runner on the bench.

  14. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Well, if you make the deal AHEAD of the deadline, like now. Then you can negotiate an extension with him liek the mets did with santana. You basically make the deal PENDING a contract extension, and the custom is that in order to do that you pay an extra prospect. Thats perfectly fine. Id do that for Bedard.

  15. Scott B

    May 26, 2009 at 2:33 pm


  16. Ed

    May 26, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Dave to be honest with you I can’t see the Phillies disrespecting Moyer by just getting rid of him. Now i personally don’t think its disrespectful to cut a guy who at 46 just doesn’t have it anymore but considering how beloved he is, i think thats probably how most people will view it.

    I think if the Phillies do get a solid starter then I think Blanton may get traded and the Phillies will let Moyer finish out the year and maybe tackle moving him or getting him to retire in the off season.

  17. Manny

    May 26, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    Marquis no.

    Bedard yes, as long as we don’t give up too many good prospects for him.

  18. Scott B

    May 26, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Ed. I’ve got to respectively disagree. If the Phillies want to be that winning organization, Moyer and the team has to know that its not personal, just business.

    If you aren’t getting it done no matter where you work, don’t you have to let a guy go?

    Would love for him to be a pitching coach down the line. Look what hes done with Hamels. Wild hot shot to WS MVP. nice

  19. Dbens

    May 26, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    Who do you replace in the rotation with a trade?

    Moyer, or Blanton? It would be a very messy situation indeed.

    Do they go to the BP if they are taken out of the rotation? If Moyer or Blanton are out of the rotation, there is no place for them in the Bullpen. The only expendable piece right now is Jack Taschner, and he will be gone when JC comes back.

    The only way I see the Phils making a move is injury. If someone gets put on the DL, watch out for a big trade. If not, might as well just sit tight and wait it out. I would be shocked if they made a move when the BP and rotation are packed with guys that are under contract and would have to be released.

    Only possibility is if someone in the rotation plus prospects is traded for a starter. That way the roster aligns itself naturally. I could see a blockbuster trade of HAPP + prospects for a front line starter. Cheap, quality, pitchers like Happ are a huge asset for teams trying to keep payroll down. Who knows though, Happ could turn into a front line starter, so would that even be worth it?

  20. Albert

    May 26, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    The problem is that the Phillies would replace Happ if they traded for a pitcher. Unless Moyer and Blanton have similar numbers in mid June they aren’t being bumped. Poor Happ.

  21. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    I think Moyer should be Designated For Assignment once we acquire another starting pitcher. Youd have to eat his salary because NOBODY in MLB will let you off the hook for that contract we just signed him to.

  22. Uggla's ugglyies

    May 26, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    lets go Marlins

  23. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    They would not replace Happ if they got somone..thats beyond retarded. They would release Moyer or try to move Blanton for almost nothing (because he has some value, but not much). You guys have to realize that it HAS gotten that bad with these two guys. I mean theyre giving you next to nothing at this point REPEATEDLY.

  24. Uggla's ugglyies

    May 26, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Here is the pitch home run home run Dan Uggla his name is Dan Uggla YES!!! and the marlins win it.

  25. Uggla's ugglyies

    May 26, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    We will beat you tonight 10 to nothing.

  26. Woodman

    May 26, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Uggie: You must be confused. Uggla took the collar yesterday. 0 for 4 with a K. Home Run??? I think not!

  27. Manny

    May 26, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    I think we should still give Moyer and Blanton several more shots before making any moves. If Moyer can keep giving us 3-4 runs in 6 innings, I’ll take that… And Blanton has shown some progress in the way he’s pitching despite his high ERA.

  28. Marc H

    May 26, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    I love Moyer, but it is getting increasingly hard to defend him

  29. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Moyer has only done that a few times all year. Blanton the same. Theyre not giving you anything more than someone like Drew Carpenter or Kyle Kendrick would give you (and im NOT saying we should bring them up, im just saying we need more than what any of those guys can or are giving us)

  30. Keith

    May 26, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    maybe Blanton will pitch well tonight.

  31. Groty

    May 26, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Nothing on Brad Penny?

  32. The Big Dipper

    May 26, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Hey Geoff,

    I agree man lets just take Moyer out back and send him packing he is worthless at this point I mean 6 innings 3-4 runs thats horrid. I mean its not like that is exactly what he has been doing for the past three years. In fact that is exactly what he did last year when we won the world series.

    But hey get rid of Moyer and Blanton cause who cares if you can get 6 innings and 3-4 runs when you can just use Eaton or Park or Benson in the rotation I am sure that they can do just as well.

    The Big Dipper

  33. hamels' left hand

    May 26, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    the big dipper’s reading comprehension seems arbitrary at best…

  34. The Big Dipper

    May 26, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    Hey Geoff check your facts before you spew nonsense all over the board.

    Moyer: 9 total starts; 6 of his starts he has given up 4 Runs or less, once he gave up 5, twice he gave up 7

    Blanton: 8 starts; 4 of his starts he has given up 4 runs or less, once he gave up 5, twice he gave up 6 and once he gave up 7

    Last I checked this team should win if a pitcher has only given up 5 runs.

    The Big Dipper

  35. Chuck P

    May 26, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Geoff… Moyer’s last two starts: 12 ip, 7 ER, 3 BB… not too shabby for a 4th/5th starter. Better than anything the Mets/Braves are trotting out there as a #4/5.

    Marquis is wildly inconsistent… he’ll throw two gems in a row and then stink up the joint. We need consistency… I don’t care about ERA! Would you rather have a guy that goes 9 ip, 1 ER and then 3 ip, 6 ER or would you rather have a guy that goes 6 ip 3-4 runs in those same two starts? I would take the consistency because that gives you a chance to win 2 games instead of one. I would love to get Bedard but not for long-term and not if it means that we have to send a host of prospects to the west coast…

    I’m not sure why we have to do anything; last time I checked, we were in first place.

  36. Dave S

    May 26, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Chuck brings up a good point…the offense allows us the luxury of desiring the consistently average [or a little below average] over the roller coaster SP. I’d rather be in every game.

  37. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    2/5 of your rotation is defunct and useless thats why. You STILL DONT GET IT. Jamie Moyer is DONE. He will not be in this rotation come August 1. That is a stone cold guarantee. He will be out of baseball by this time next year. He is the Matt morris of this season, the guy who hung on one year too long. Its admirable, I mean he hung on longer than Morris did. But it was a massive mistake to take a HUGE risk and go with Moyer rather than someone more reliable.

    You dont just give him some contract like they did to reward him for being a good soldier. thats wreckless and the one true blunder amaro has made so far. Apparently Greg Dobbs was too, but in all fairness nobody saw Dobbs totally becoming useless.

  38. Justin

    May 26, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    Inquire about one of Bostons young studs, stay away from Bedard at all costs, inquire on Oswalt and Marquis, at the end of the day the team has to see if the cost of the trade will make the team better, Marquis’ ERA has been very consistent throughout his career in the 4.5 range, Oswalt could have an ERA that will balloon in CBP. Bucholz or Bard could really help this team for years to come and be under team control at a reasonable price if the deal works for both teams and that’s a big IF. Blanton has been coming around so I’m not worried about him, I’m going to hold judgement on Happ until he gets a few starts under his belt probably same with the Phillies, but if I’m the Phillies I’m worried about Moyer who hasn’t won a game in over a month but his ERA is dropping which is good. I’d honestly like to see him go to the bullpen because he’d be successful in short stints of 2 innings or so in pinches for innings that need to be pitched after short outings by the starter.

  39. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    But thats not enough against good pitching. Even this lineup can always light up good starting pitching. Thats why you ALSO need GOOD starting pitching, not MEDIOCRE OR BELOW AVERAGE liek Moyer and Blanton have been doing.

  40. mikemike

    May 26, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Geoff when someone comes on and tries to defend Blanton that is time for us to move on. He fails to tell you that he has 3 quality starts out of eight games, yes he gave up 4 runs but in less than 6 innings so that is like almost5 runs per game. 57 hit in 44 inning, era 8.71 and someone whats to defend that. By saying he only have up 4 runs .yes in less than 6 innings That stinks, the only reason I answer that stupid stats is I know they get on you but don’t listen to them . they need a starter bad and not another blanton. How can anyone try defend Blanton how,. between last year and this has 9 quality starts in 26 games,terrible, terrible pitcher. but chuck says he is consistent, yes consitenly bad.

  41. The Big Dipper

    May 26, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    Geoff, how has Moyer been mediocre or below average?

    In 9 starts Moyer has given up 4 runs or less in 6 of them.

    The Phillies average around 5.9 runs per game.

    That should be a win each time. It is not Moyer’s fault the offense doesnt show up when he is pitching. Look at his game log the offense has only given him more than 4 runs of support 3 times. Stop making Moyer the scapegoat. First you were all over Ruiz then he got on a hot streak.

    I guess if 6 inning and 3-4 runs means you should retire half of the leagues starting pitchers should probably just retire. You are an imbecile.

    The Big Dipper

  42. Geoff

    May 26, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    I totally agree…

  43. Albert

    May 26, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    The Phillies will not be releasing Jamie Moyer. They are paying Thome, Eaton, and Jenkins right now and that is too much money to eat for players not even on the roster. I expect the Phillies FO (including myself) believe Blanton will return to his career normals and Moyer will settle in a bit. If the Phillies acquired a starter today they would bump Happ out of the rotation, thats the way it is.

  44. The Big Dipper

    May 26, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Look at what we gave up to get Blanton? You see what you got with Blanton

    Now look at what you have to give up to get a #2? Your going to have to part with a starter and prospects. And not A or AA prospects but your best and most MLB ready prospects. Stop pretending to know what your talking about.

    The Big Dipper

  45. Chuck P

    May 26, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    That comment makes no sense, Geoff… seriously. Re-read that comment and tell me what you’re really trying to say because I don’t even know where to start. That’s not enough against good pitching… even this lineup can light up good starting pitching… that’s why you also need good pitching…

    And let me point out that there are NO TEAMS in baseball with 5 #1/2 pitchers…

  46. Mike

    May 26, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    I blame this on THE PHILLIES. They are the sucker here buying into Moyer doing it for one more year. He should of went out with the ring. Ruben is an IDIOT with a capital I. Now swallow your mistake and get rid of him. Anytime he pitches, its a lose. He cant get guys out.

  47. mikemike

    May 26, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    For blanton you gave a major league starter in outman, who is lefthanded and has some velocity. The top 2nd base prospect in the minors in Cardenas, who right now is at midland and hitting 383. and matt spencer who is also at midland and hitting 244 he wasjust promoted to midland . After having hit 10 homers in a short span, He does have power but jury is still out on if he will hit enough to make the athletics. So right now bille beane knew what he was doing, he got more for blanton, then the cubs gave for harden

  48. Justin

    May 26, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    mikemike Cardenas was in AAA this year and was awful hitting .177 there. He got sent down to AA, if he was with the Phils still, people would be writing him off right now because he’s not where he should be in his development. It doesn’t matter anyway because he’d have to learn a different position he’d be in the same spot donald’s in, great player without a position, except Donald has a stronger arm than cardenas and can play 3rd, Cardenas is a 2nd/SS and would have probably had to try OF even though we have an outstanding farm system with OFs. So trading Cardenas was just trading depth for a need. You said it yourself with Spencer no one really knows what will come of him because you can’t judge how his power will show up in the MLB level.

    Outman got caught up in the same numbers game, too many lefties in our system he didn’t want to be a reliever so he’s now a starter and I think the Phils are happy for him because he’s getting a chance. None of those guys were better then what we currently have, I’d rather have donald than cardenas, taylor/mayberry/berry/brown than spencer, and bastardo/savery/flande than outman. Bastardo’s the wild card being able to be an efficient closer and starter in the same season this year. 1st game with LHV struck out 11 in 5 innings, incredible.

  49. Chuck P

    May 26, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    You can’t defend the way that Blanton has been pitching… I will agree with that. He has been a bum all season. They’re attributing his bum-ness to a mechanical flaw… looking at baseball-reference, he’s definitely a better second half pitcher but he has been dreadful thus far. Moyer could be better but he has been trending upwards. It just seems like people jump from one person to the next. We are in first place…

  50. Keith

    May 26, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    let’s go Blanton!

  51. TOm G

    May 26, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    Bottom line is that the sooner you bring in a live arm…the sooner you get returns on the Starts.
    It is foolish to wait…sure the price is higher, the sooner you bring someone in…however, the issue is if you wait deeper into the trade deadline you lose a start or two by each passing week.
    Moyer is killing us…

    make a move…Bedard is a bad clubhouse guy, but a solid pitcher, marquis is just a pitcher that will give you a chance every other outing…

  52. ducth

    May 26, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    I agree, Amaro is an idiot. What a waste of money on Moyer for two years. I pray that if the phillies make the playoffs that moyer is not on the roster. Whether it is in relief or starting, i don’t think I will be able to watch it.

  53. mikemike

    May 26, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Justin he is the top second base prospect in minors, he was sent to triple a before he was ready at 20 years old. how many bats did he get.You are the only one who I have heard who said they would rather have Savery Flande or bastardo do you know that flande was only about 88 on the gun same with savery, bastardo is small and was at 92 until 4 inning and usuallylose sit he is a projected relief pitcher along with flande,too many lefthander in the system, where Knapp ,drabek, worley, pettibone, stutes, cosart, all top pitching prospect are right handed and carrasco not one lefthander in there system is consider more than a lefthand relief pitcher or loogy or 5 starter, Cardenas doesn’t show power but is way more advanced than Donald, I was a big donald fan but he isn’t the player cardenas will be. almost a 400 at 20 at double a . he will be back at triple a when he gets more experience. If you doubt what I Tell you check at phuture phillies and ask about all the lefthander we have, that is a phillies prospect site.

  54. Justin

    May 26, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    doesn’t change the point that cardenas didn’t have a spot on this team, he would have to learn an outfield position that’s not available. I’m not sitting here bashing Cardenas, or Outman, they just didn’t have roles on this team, it Outman was being groomed as a loogy or setup guy and he just didn’t work out there, but when they shifted him back to the rotation his ERA dropped. Cardenas is a very good hitting 2nd baseman but what was his ultimate position? at the beginning of last year according to baseball america he was going to be an OF but now where would he play since we have Mayberry and Taylor coming up and will both be in the outfield in 2 years, same time frame Cardenas would hit the show and Rollins/Utley/Howard would still be here so Cardenas wouldn’t have a position. Outman was more expendable because the Phils invested more money in Savery as a #1 draft pick which is why the phils weren’t looking to deal him yet. Bastardo the Phils are very high on, they thought of bringing him up last year to take Eaton’s place in the rotation before they traded Outman which just shows who they’d rather give the ball to. Flande is a guy who basically came out of nowhere but he’s a little on the older side to still be in high A.

  55. AM

    May 26, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    is the Peavy rumor still going around? or has that been nixed?

  56. Justin

    May 26, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    Even if there was a Peavy trade on the block he would veto it on the reason that he doesn’t want to go to a stadium that’s a “bandbox”, also this is too big a market for him, he’d rather stay on a low key team in the west or midwest. This is probably his last resort if all other avenues aren’t available before going to an AL team.

  57. Keith

    May 26, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    watch Peavy not get traded at all

  58. Marc H

    May 26, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    Moyer has been disappointing this year, but let’s not turn him into the second coming of Paul Abbott or Adam Eaton

  59. TuffyMurdock

    May 26, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Ben Sheets is also worth sniffing around at this time, since we are talking about Bedard, who is injury prone. Maybe Pedro Martinez has a couple of productive years left. WE NEED TO MOVE ON THIS PITCHING QUAGMIRE !!!!

  60. mikemike

    May 26, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    The point is you get more for cardenas then making him a piece to get a blanton. There isn’t one scout who I have read who doesn’t think this kid will play in the pros. He will be at second or shortstop. If he was blocked do you give him away for that junk ball pitcher? Lefthanded starter are hard to find. Outman always had velocity but gave up a lot o f homeruns, Seriously if we gave up outman and spencer I wouldn’t be as mad but cardenas could have been used to get better. And if I follow what you are saying if we had three really good shortstops, would we give one away for junk, because we feel bad for him, he is block, that isn’t the way to run a team. in my opinion.

  61. cxl72

    May 26, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Before we throw Blanton under the bus let’s see what he does. He said he had problems pitching out of the stretch and fixed it. IMO he can be a reliable 4 or 5.

  62. ChitownStu

    May 26, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    “…Now i personally don’t think its disrespectful to cut a guy who at 46 just doesn’t have it anymore but considering how beloved he is…”

    Ah the “wisdom” of youth. So now you’re 100% certain that Moyer doesn’t have it anymore? Give me a break…

    Go out and win 249 games and do anything for the number of years Moyer has been doing it – and with the same level of class, respect for the game (profession) and humility and THEN you can diss Moyer.

  63. Justin

    May 26, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    If we didn’t have Blanton last year we would have been screwed in the playoffs. The only pitcher who consistently lost was Moyer, if our rotation was Hamels/Myers/Moyer/Kendrick we probably aren’t defending world champs. Plus we gave up prospects for a good pitcher, a pitcher who was considered an ace at the beginning of last year and we didn’t break the bank to get him but we had to trade something of value otherwise we don’t get the player. Yes Cardenas is good but you can’t say it was a bad trade since we didn’t give up any of our top prospects outside of Cardenas.

  64. Gavin

    May 26, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    Marquis, Bedard, Washburn???!?!?!? Thats the best we have to choose from? I like what we have better than that trio. For what we’d have to give up for those wet noodles I say hell no.

  65. dan lamb

    May 26, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    Tonight shows the difference between moyer and blanton. Blanton can still straigtout win a game for us while moyer is not capable of that. When the best you can hope for from a pitcher is 6 innings and 3 runs then you are in trouble. Any pitcher on a triple a roster can come up and throw 6 innings with 3 runs on a given night and have a 7.5 era.

  66. The Big Dipper

    May 26, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    Dan you are an idiot. If every pitcher on a AAA roster could pitch 6 inning giving up 3 runs than they would have a Quality Start every night and would have a 4.5 ERA.

    Fact is that is very hard to do and that is why most pitchers can’t pitch for 23 year and can’t go 6 innings and give up only 3 runs.

    The Big Dipper

  67. dan lamb

    May 27, 2009 at 8:20 am

    I said any AAA pitcher can come up and throw 6 innings and give up three runs on any given night. I am not saying every night or a 4.5 era. But 6 inning and 3 runs is the best moyer can do now and his worst is a lot worse than that. Moyer is doing worse this year than eaton did here, but for some reason everyone thinks he should remain in the rotation with 7+ era.

  68. From Section 113

    May 27, 2009 at 11:25 am

    No trade will be made soon. Too much is undecided. Like which teams are buyers/sellers. Why trade for a pitcher now when a better one might be available later?

    ALso do we trade Happ in a deal or keep him. Plus alot of Lefties have been runored about. We have 3 lefties now, do we need a 4th? I understand Moyer would be out but still another lefty??

    What do people think of Zach Duke and Mark Buerhle?

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