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Odds & Ends: Park, Pedro, and DeRosa

There are only 137 days until opening day, but there is still plenty of Phillies news during the off season.

  • The Phillies added Quintin Berry (OF), Yohan Flande (LHP) and Jesus Sanchez (RHP) to the 40-man roster.
  • Charlie Manuel finished sixth in the National League Manager of the Year voting.

Manuel finished in second place in 2007 and 2008.  Colorado manager Jim Tracy won this year’s award.  Tracy took over for Clint Hurdle in May.

Chan Ho Park had his eyes on starting entering 2009.  It didn’t work out for him, as he lost his starting job to J.A Happ.  Park, a free agent, posted a 2.52 ERA out of the bullpen in 2009.  The Phillies could use him back — as a reliever.

Don’t buy into this too much.  Weren’t the Phillies the “favorites” to land Roy Halladay?  There are still other options: Chone Figgins, Placido Polanco, Adrian Betlre, etc.  Pedro Feliz isn’t out of the picture either.

Pedro spent half of the season in the Dominican Republic, and he wasn’t happy about that.  As of now, the Phillies fifth starter is Jamie Moyer (by the way, happy 47th birthday, Jamie!), but the Phillies could bring him back for 2010.



  1. Manny

    November 18, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Can’t believe Bobby Cox and his 3rd place Braves got more votes than Charlie!!!

  2. shag beta sigma delta

    November 18, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    Anybody other than me feel that Pedro would not be a full season pitcher. If they sign him I think you would end up with a 6 man rotation, with Pedro and someone else Moyer? going on long rest all year. I really do not think his body will hold up for 30-35 starts a year

  3. Dudley Monk

    November 18, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Damn shame that Charlie doesn’t get this Manager of the Year Award. After all, Larry Bowa won one and didn’t win anything. Charlie deserves some recognition as a champion.

  4. Mark B

    November 18, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    I didn’t see all the names of the 5 managers in the NL who finished ahead of Charlie in the voting, but no way there were 5 who did a better job than he did. He was the only one who got to the World Series, last time I checked.

  5. Phils fan in NYC

    November 18, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    manuel has recoginition… 3 division titles, 2 pennants and 1 world series. Not to mention 2 MVPs during his time… i’d be quite proud if i were charlie.

  6. MP

    November 18, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    That’s because voting is done on the last day of the season.

    If DeRosa is seriously the best we’re going to be able to get as a starting third baseman, we should have just stuck with Feliz. I want DeRosa, but not as a starter. He would be great as a replacement for Bruntlett as utility guy. I will be VERY disapointed if he’s our third baseman.

  7. GWFightinsFan

    November 18, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    I think they may very well sign DeRosa AND resign Feliz. I would be pretty happy with this as it gives us some depth on the bench as well as allows us to keep Pete Happy’s glove over there on the hot corner for us.

  8. Chuck

    November 18, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Both DeRosa and Feliz are doable money-wise. If we can do it that’s a pretty good option…..with lots of room for flexibility with line-ups, etc.

    Charlie in 6th??….c’mon….

  9. Havoc

    November 18, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    Not a bad idea GWFightinsFan. I think i’d prefer Beltre for the potential offensive upgrade. I said in another post that having a guy like Derosa could really help keep the team fresh since you could spread the offdays around, keeping our players better rested and our bench guys getting enough playing time to be consistent.

    Park is about to make a huge mistake by trying to be a starter again.

  10. Dudley Monk

    November 18, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    I believe our President should call a day in mid-November a national holiday and name it Charlie Manuel Day. Everyone would have the day off and wear Phillies colors.

  11. 2010 WF Champs

    November 18, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    This is one of the rare down sides of long term success my friends. No complaints here. I just wish the Phillies would’ve won Game 2 vs the Yanks. Win that game and we would’ve won the series. And Charlie would’ve called a genius. Ruben needs to really sure up our pitching situation. BP/SR as we know managing a Pitching Staff isn’t one of Charlie’s strong points.

    I don’t know if has been discussed on here already or not. But the Card’s Pinero’s a free agent. The Mets reportedly are going to go hard after him. I don’t want any part of Pedro/Moyer in 2010. Pinero lead MLB is fewest walks per 9inn for starters last season. Roy Hallady finshed 2nd.

    Ruben should swoop in and snatch him from Mets like he did with Raul.

  12. GWFightinsFan

    November 18, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Havoc, If Beltre isn’t too expensive and they feel like he will be able to stay relatively healthy, then yes, sign Beltre instead of resigning Feliz.

  13. 2010 WF Champs

    November 18, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    GW… Your idea is awesome!

  14. Dylan

    November 18, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    I like the idea of Atkins + DeRosa or Beltre…please say no to just DeRose.

  15. Dylan

    November 18, 2009 at 6:50 pm


  16. 2010 WF Champs

    November 18, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    I know he wants to be a SP because his country wants him to reportedly, but why throw away such a good thing he has right now in Philly. His stuff as a rp is amazing and he can pitch mult. inns. This decision makes no sense at all from strictly a baseball view point. I really hope Ruben gets him to change his mind some how. We really need him to stay in our BP. No more Chad Durbin for me.

  17. 2010 WF Champs

    November 18, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    Looking at the stats(not that I really needed to) Pedro has been horrible in the post. He can’t ajust to the breaking balls opp teams kept throwing him. But if Pedro/DeRosa allows us to get another quality SP I’m game. After Lee, Blanton, Happ who knows really what would the others guys will do next leason. That includes Cole Hamels.

  18. Dylan

    November 18, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    Cole will be fine. If they can get a strong righty (even Pineiro) to eat up some innings that would be great.

    I’m all for taking a chance on Ben Sheets. He put up good numbers in 07 and 08…and he hasn’t had an ERA over 3.82 since 2003. Plus, he’s only 31. Pull the trigger Rube. Beltre and Sheets (both 31) for 2-3 year deals. Get it done. And sign Lee to an extension.

  19. 2010 WF Champs

    November 18, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    Cole should rebound. Either way we still need another quailty SP. I’d have no problem with a Beltre signing of course. If Sheets rebounds that would be a “Jesse James” like steal for the Phillies. I’m cool with it so long as the Phils learn from their mistake with Garcia. They never even properly researched his health status. Suring up our rotation before Spring Training would feel good, but we don’t need another Eaton situation.

  20. Dylan

    November 18, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    Agree, Sheets would have to be incentive based. And, I think we could get a 1-2 year contract to be safe. With a team option for another.

  21. 2010 WF Champs

    November 18, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Now that we got that all squared away it’s time to move on. Let’s work the economy next…lol

  22. psujoe

    November 18, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Brewers have some FAs coming that I think the Phils should look at. Frank Catalanatto has an OBP against righties of about .380. Left handed bat as the 5th OF. Not bad. Not sure of his fielding. Claudio Vargas, 30 innings only 18 hits and a 1.74 era. A little wild though with 11 bbs.

  23. Dylan

    November 18, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    @ PSUJOE: I think the Phils should go after Felipe Lopez. He can play anywhere and is only 29. Add in that he hits for a .300 avg and he is an upgrade.

  24. Mike

    November 18, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    Am I the only one who sees beltre as a downgrade to feliz?!? The guy hit 8 homers and is always injured, he pulled a Richard hidalgo and had a good year in 04 which is almost as apparent as McGwire using roids, he’s good defensively, but feliz isn’t? I mean personally i’d go sign derosa and polanco, versatility and polanco gives you someone that doesn’t strike out 200 times.

  25. Dylan

    November 18, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    Beltre was injured last year, that’s why his numbers were down. He had 20+ HRs in 7 of the last 8 years (excluding 2009). And 3 of those 7 were in Seattle, which is a very pitcher friendly park. Beltre gives another 30 HR threat in this line-up….very potent would become even more potent. Plus, he would have some protection and wouldn’t be the only slugger on the team.

  26. psujoe

    November 18, 2009 at 8:22 pm


    Lopez has some nice stats. His OBP is over 400. Might cause some difficulty with the lineup because he’d be a much better leadoff hitter than Rollins. IMO of course. Interesting, he’s played over 500 games at SS and 300 games at 3b. Interesting.

  27. 2010 WF Champs

    November 18, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    I think the Pedro & DeRosa “combo meal” may give the Phils the best chance to be an all around more complete team next season.. We’d get an exp starter back in Feliz and one hellva RH bench bat/key reserve in DeRosa. The key for this move to work will be Dobbs. If Dobbs comes back strong our bench will go back to being a strength again. And if Mayberry Jr plays winter ball or something to work on hitting off-spead pitches our bench will be looking real good in 2010. Add in Ben Fran and our bench could very easily be one of the best in the N.L. This move/s could make it more realistic for the Phils to get another quality SP.

  28. Dudley Monk

    November 18, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Juan Uribe — outstanding career utilityman along with DeRosa or Beltre. That’s my choice. Of course, because of age, I would like to see Beltre at third. Uribe is capable of playing shortstop, second and third, and is only 31 with a lot of experience and some POP in his bat. DeRosa, at age 35, can play multiple positions as opposed to Beltre being a third base specialist and gold glover.

  29. Don M

    November 18, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    Guys (and girls).. Mark DeRosa is probably THE most sought-after Free Agent this offseason

    I read that as many as 12 teams have inquired on him

    I highly doubt that he will be cheaper than Feliz, and the chances that we sign DeRosa AND some other guy to play thirdbase seem almost too low to mention

    DeRosa is a very good utility man.. but he’s not a full-time starter at 3b, and that needs to be the priority. Field your everyday lineup…and then worry about your bench guys

  30. Don M

    November 18, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    A lot of people on here mentioning Uribe .. but since the Giants really lack offense, wouldn’t they try to bring him back next season?

    Are they not interested in him anymore?

    He would be a great bench/utility option for any contending team in the NL

    DeRosa will probably have lots of AL teams on him too for his ability to play just about anywhere… and that lovely option called the DH

  31. psujoe

    November 19, 2009 at 1:28 am

    Don M, really like your input, but the Phils need solutions, not anti-solutions. Your solution(s) is(are)…?

  32. Kennedy

    November 19, 2009 at 3:41 am

    Honestly I’d rather they just signed Figgins and Omar Vizquel than Derosa and Feliz. Derosa is gonna cost around 5 million and his glove is subpar as an infielder, Feliz is gonna cost around 4 million and his bat is subpar. Figgins is gonna cost around 11 million and Vizquel around 1 million, but Figgins is younger than Feliz or Derosa, and he has a much better glove than Feliz or Derosa, and he has a better bat than Feliz or Derosa. He’d lead off and Rollins goes to the 7.

    I would kind of consider 11 million to be overpaying, but I’d still rather get Beltre and Vizquel. Beltre would probably be cheap to after a down year with the bat, but his glove is still elite. I think he’d be a potential 30 HR guy at the bank.

  33. Brooks

    November 19, 2009 at 7:05 am

    I just don’t understand why Atkins is not given serious consideration. Sure, he had an off year last year but his previous 4 seasons he was healthy, hit more than 22 hrs each year, had over 100 rbi in 2 of the 4 seasons and hit over .300 in 2 of these 4 seasons (close to it in the other 2).
    He is an rbi guy, younger, lots of upside. Atkins is my #1 choice for 3rd, no utility guy here.
    Beltre? He is coming off a very disappointing 5 year, 64 million dollar contract. Would he sign for much less? Doubtful..

  34. Brooks

    November 19, 2009 at 7:18 am

    This is crazy. Chahlie wins his second straight NL title, his 3rd straight division title and winds up 6th in the NL Manager of the Year voting? Someone please tell me where did Bobby Cox and the Braves wind up?
    What place did the Giants and Bruce Bochy wind up in?
    How stupid!

  35. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 8:41 am

    Yeah it is really kind of stupid that he hasnt at least been given a token M.O.Y. award. They base it on the REGULAR season though. Still, hes spearded the team to three straight division championships, that should amount to ONE freaking managerial award at least.

  36. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 8:53 am

    Well if the criteria for the utility man is that hes better at shortstop than he is at other positions that he can play (that seems like the gist of what Amaro said), then Uribe is the best choice. Carroll, Belliard are more 2B, 3B guys and are not great at SS.

    I wouldnt mind seeing the Phillies try up upgrade one of their rotation slots, but I have this sneaking suspicion they will actually try to get away with Moyer in that 5th role which will be a disaster. They should just pay him to go away. Kyle Drabek may or may not be ready to come up. I need to see some dominance at LHV first.

  37. Don M

    November 19, 2009 at 9:14 am

    Beltre will have to sign for much less than his previous 5 year, $64 Million contract… because nobody in their right mind would pay him anything close to that

    Figgins is the most desirable 3b .. so he should, and probably will get the biggest contract (which more than likely wont be from us)


    I wouldn’t mind seeing Miguel Tejada on maybe a 2 year deal, with a 3rd year option.. His bat is way less risky than Beltre’s ..though Beltre would play better defense

    There are names floating around in terms of trade candidates.. Brandon Inge, Garret Atkins

    Atkins would be alright if you didn’t have to give up a lot to get him.. but I have a feeling they would try to get JA HAPP .. and that to me isn’t worth it

    If Kevin Kouzmanoff was made available from the Padres, I would definitely inquire on him too.. he’s got power, and he would be able to hit 7th in the lineup, with very little pressure on him to help carry the team, but he would have lots of chances to hit with runners on base

    I’m not a fan of Polanco playing 3b, unless he’s willing to sign for so cheap that you can’t pass him up

    I don’t think DeRosa is better than Feliz, and he would cost more…and can he play everyday?

  38. George

    November 19, 2009 at 9:21 am

    Figgins would be overpaid AND cost a draft pick. Not a good way to run a team. Feliz or Beltre plus DeRosa would probably also cost too much. If you want a platoon, you’d have to get near-superstar production from the pair to warrant their combined salaries. And there’s just no way Manuel could keep both of them in the lineup on a regular basis, unless there’s an injury at SS or 2B.

    While DeRosa might be able to spell Utley and Rollins, so could others who would come cheaper. It’s an either/or situation with third, not a “let’s sign everybody” thing.

    If the Phils had a real prospect in AA or AAA, third base wouldn’t even be an issue. They’d just keep Feliz for another year. But he’s slowing down now, and you can’t keep him around for the time it would take for someone else to be ready.

    My own feeling is that the free agents available are pretty questionable, and filling third will still be an issue next year. I only hope the team doesn’t sign anyone for three years at a small fortune, because they might end up eating the contract. Beltre hasn’t been durable lately, and the aging DeRosa is coming off wrist surgery. Reading of these options I can only think of re-signing Feliz, unless Polanco isn’t offered arbitration.

  39. psujoe

    November 19, 2009 at 9:45 am

    tejada would be a huge upgrae offensively. We might have lineup problems because he’s too good to bat 7th. A 2 year deal with a club option sounds good.

    Pass on Inge and Atkins(unless he comes cheap which he won’t).

    Kouzmanoff is the sleeper out there. Nothing wrong with a #7 hitter that hits 25 Hrs.

  40. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 9:54 am

    They MUST get a real 3B prospect in this draft. Its ridiculous at this point. The first pick should be a BLATANT 3B. Not some project, not some tweener that you convert from something else. Find the best COLLEGE 3B available and pick him and sign him and make sure that he blows through the lower tiers THIS season. So taht he can start 2011 in Reading. Im talking about a LEGIT Blue Chip prospect.

  41. Don M

    November 19, 2009 at 10:04 am

    Geoff.. easier said than done

    They thought Costanzo was going to be that guy.. and so did LOTS of baseball people

    Then they thought Jason Donald was maybe going to play 3b.. but had to trade him to get Lee

    I agree that 3b needs to be a priority.. BUT.. they’ve been taking the best all around player available .. and because of that, we actually got some talent in our farm system the past few years, which allowed us to make some trades for guys like Joe Blanton and Cliff Lee

    so I can’t fault their draft plans really, because it has given us our most succeussful run in franchise history

  42. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 10:07 am

    They also thought Anthony Hewitt would be that guy, until they moved him to the OF at the end of the season.

  43. Don M

    November 19, 2009 at 10:15 am

    I think every other team and scout projected Hewitt as an OF … Phillies wanted to take a chance with him at 3b?

    He played SS in high school I think

  44. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 10:17 am

    Yeah, tahts more evidence that Hewitt was a bad choice there. I dont even want to look at who they passed on tahts already a top prospect….

  45. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Well, they need a 3B of the future. THey havent done that as we all know. Total blind spot – like the Flyers with goalies and the Eagles with running the ball. They just dont see it.

    They need to sign or get a guy for the present for liek 3 or 4 years to be honest with you. 2 years isnt enough, even if they drafted a 3B of the future this June coming up. You need 3 years at least.

  46. Don M

    November 19, 2009 at 10:43 am

    In that draft, they got Anthony Hewitt, Anthony Gose, Jason Knapp, Vance Worley, and Trevor May with their first 5 picks

    I don’t know any of the names after Hewitt (except Cutter Dykstra)..

    I would rather them take the best player… then take a 3b prospect a few rounds too soon, just to get him in their system (I kinda think that is what they did with Mike Costanzo??)

  47. psujoe

    November 19, 2009 at 10:44 am

    Ray Emery is a breath of fresh air! Flyers just might go some where this year.

  48. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 10:51 am

    Baseball is odd though. You can pick a better player later (Colvin) just because other teams dont think they can sign them. So its different than usual.

  49. Don M

    November 19, 2009 at 10:53 am

    2007 we took Joe Savery 10 picks before the Tigers selected Rick Porcello

  50. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 11:26 am

    What do you all think of the fact that Detroit has made Edwin Jackson available? Do you think hes worth bringing in to bolster the rotation from the right hand side?

  51. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 11:27 am

    I also think Porcello got a record setting bonus at that time though for that position….

  52. Chuck

    November 19, 2009 at 11:29 am

    The idea of Tejada is interesting…..however, two points…

    1) Will he be agreeable to playing third?

    2) Will he agree to bat 7th??

    My gut feeling about him is that he may get noisy about eother one or both of those scenarios…..he wasn’t the happiest of campers in Baltimore….of course, maybe there’s good reason with that as bad as they were when he was there (and still are).

    I don’t know….he COULD be a bit of a problem in the clubhouse….do we really need that??

    Kouzmanoff is a VERY interesting option….

  53. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Tajada is a bit of a horses rear end…

  54. Don M

    November 19, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Tejada was said to be open to playing 3b (Im sure that if he was playing for a WS team instead of Baltimore or Houston.. it would help)

    I would imagine he would hit #2, or #6 more often than he would hit #7…

  55. psujoe

    November 19, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Tejada has the tools, but I agree that it could mess up the chemistry. Chalk up his attitude in Baltimore to roid rage, LOL. Just kidding.

    I keep coming back to Kouzmanoff if the other options fail. I like the fact he hits .290 against lefties with good power. Not bad for a 7 hole hitter. The question is what would it take. He could defeinately fill the position for 3 years or so. The $$$ could go to the bull pen were the Phils need more help.

  56. Don M

    November 19, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    I was saying Taylor for Kouzmanoff the other day.. and people that was giving them WAY TOO MUCH

    In reality.. I think we would probably have to give them another player

    Teams are much higher on Anthony Gose and Domonic Brown than they are on Michael Taylor

    There is talk that Dertroit would be willing to listen to offers on Miguel Cabrera.. BUT.. I don’t think he can play an effective 3b .. and he makes like $25 M for the next 5 years

    Imagine that lineup though!!!

  57. psujoe

    November 19, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Jason Bay turned down 4/60 from the Sox. Werth is gonzo after this year because no way the Phils can afford him with the other stars. I hope Taylor and Brown are ready.

  58. Don M

    November 19, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    people said* that was giving them WAY TOO MUCH ***

  59. Don M

    November 19, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    unless salaries really start to come back down to Earth

    I said the other day that if Werth was a Free Agent right now, he would probably be rated behind Matt Holliday, but ahead of Jason Bay ??

    Werth will be in line for $12-15 per season for 5 years or so … possibly to expensive for the Phillies, but they definitely NEED him in the lineup to protect Howard

  60. psujoe

    November 19, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    Cabrera would make this lineup sick. At first I thought $25 mill over 5 then realized you meant 25 mil per. It’s actually around 20 million per. Ouch.

  61. Don M

    November 19, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    He’ll be a DH in a few years (if he doesn’t do that already?)

  62. Don M

    November 19, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Happy Birthday Ryan Howard… he turns 30 today …my that went fast

    and Baltimore Sun columnist, Dan Conolly, expects the Orioles to sign Pedro Feliz (not today.. but at some point)

    These according to MLBtraderumors.com

  63. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    CARBrera is a slug out there. He cant play even first base anymore.

  64. Chuck

    November 19, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    I feel bad for Feliz….guys go to Baltimore to die these days….what a turn of events over the past 10 years for a once very proud franchise.

    The more I think about it I DON’T want Tejada….I don’t really care about his offensive ability….the guy can get squirelly at times and this team doesn’t need that attitude in the clubhouse…..then again, maybe Cholly could handle him….

    Howard’s 30???….Sh!t…..That DID fly by.

  65. Don M

    November 19, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Tejada is actually said to be a great “Clubhouse guy” …

    We just think he would be a d-bag because he was on a chippy-Oakland A’s team before.. and he used steriods before

    Neither one of them have anything to do with the fact that he would make our lineup a whole lot better than it has ever been

  66. Jeff

    November 19, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Am I being BAD…I switched to Dish Network which I now love. I live in South Jersey. Getting rid of Comcast was hard because of CSN Philly. No more Flyers or Phillies. I kept the internet through comcast. I had a tech come over to get my speed up which is great now. He said you miss your channel. I said of course. He said I will show you something and its really not stealing. He split my internet into the tv in that room. I get 45 stations of comcast, including CSN Philly. I said isnt that stealing. He said not really. If I was not paying for a service or using a black box. I just want it for the games. Is this a really bad thing???

  67. Chuck

    November 19, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Yeah, he’s a great “Clubhouse Guy” until he doesn’t get his way or, in the case of the O’s, they don’t make the committment to winning (different scene here, though)….

    He WOULD indeed make the line-up better…

    Listen…I’m not totally against the idea…..if he agreed to be a “team player” and maybe sacrifice line-up spots of defensive positions or whatever…I’m just wary, that’s all..

    But if you can get a guy like Kouzmanoff…wouldn’t that be a better option??

  68. 2010 WF Champs

    November 19, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    sign allen iverson…….

  69. psujoe

    November 19, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    Tejada would cost a lot more in salary than Kouzmanoff, but it boils down to what the Phils woud need to give up and how the market looks.

  70. psujoe

    November 19, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    I should’ve added to forget about F. Lopez. He’s a Scott Boras client.

  71. psujoe

    November 19, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    I really hope the Braves get stuck with Lowe and his 45 million he’s owed. They keep looking and nobody wants that contract after the year he had. Serves them right.

  72. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    SO the latest news it that the Phillies have 20M to spend basically. That should get you Bench Help (it appears they like Juan Uribe), a 3B (they list deRosa, but I expect Beltre or Polanco), bullpen arms (they list Rodney, they will need another guy too who will have to be off the cheap heap), and then starting pitching depth (they may have to trade for that, or sign a 4th or 5th type starter – which is ok as long as they think Drabek will help THIS year).

  73. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    I wonder how much a guy like Pinero will get realistically. I cant see him getting overpaid that badly.

  74. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Beltre will get like 7M I think. Rodney, eh I dunno 5? Depth (4th) starter? like 6 Id say. 2M for bench player.

  75. psujoe

    November 19, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    Tough to tell what the market will bear this year, but Piniero will probably cost too much. Rodney, yuck. He’s way too wild for my liking. I’d rather spend 4 or 5 on a guy like Betancourt if possible. We need a true backup closer if Lidge doesn’t come back strong.

    Does the 20 million count Eyre and Park as not resigning or assuming they resign?

  76. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    I like betancourt. i hope it doesnt count them. because good relievers cost a few mil a piece, and good late inning guys cost like 4 or 5. Id like Soriano is they dont offer him arbitration. Betancourt will be great but I think Colorado will re-sign him. They need a quality setup man for Street.

    Tony Pena is available. If Eyre walks Ill take Beimel out of that group. Id also look at Joaquin Benoit perhaps.

  77. psujoe

    November 19, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    3 hours 15 minutes until FA starts.
    Phils may have to get creative and look for deals. Some real good high end relief, but not a lot of middle of the road relief.

  78. psujoe

    November 19, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    Brandon Lyon is a guy I’d look at, but he’s in the 5 mil range like Betancourt. Vargas has been a solid reliever after being a terrible starter. He should be in-expensive.

  79. psujoe

    November 19, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Yikes. I added up the contracts on Cots baseball giveing Blanton and Victorino about 4-5 million in raises total and it looks like the $120 mil doesn’t include Park, Durbin and Condrey which means that 20 million needs to land a 3b, utility infielder, 5th OF, back-up catcher and 3 relievers unless they count on the minors. This is why I’d love to look at Kouzmanoff because you’ll have an extra 3 or 4 million for bull pen

    5 for 3b
    5 for top end reliever
    2 for backup OF
    2 for utility infielder
    2 for backup catcher
    2 for reliever
    2 for reliever

  80. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Well with baseball free agency it takes a while for it to fall into place. The top guys usually have to sign first at each position. never always, youll have small names sign first. But the rest of the guys depend on it. who knows though, with this economy things get wierder in sports every year.

  81. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    our 5th OF and the backup catcher will make less than 2 each. they will likely be bottom of the barrel guys, as will one of those relievers. just off the scrap heap basically.

  82. psujoe

    November 19, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Geoff, In other words we have to wait untilt the Yankees and RedSox are done shopping, LOL.

  83. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    not always. this year we will likely have the 3rd or 4th highest payroll.

  84. Geoff

    November 19, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    How about: Piniero, Lyon, Beltre, Torrealba, Uribe. Maybe take a chance n Joaquin Benoit if hes cheap. If Rodney will take less money thats great.

    They need a 4th starter type like Piniero, as I think Wolf wont come here Marquis is too costly. Its not even worth looking at Looper of Garland, thats making the team worse. For that 4th starter they may have to make a trade because of the cost.

  85. Phan in nyc

    November 20, 2009 at 12:31 am

    When are they expecting that draybek will be able to start? Mid season? 2011?

  86. psujoe

    November 20, 2009 at 9:19 am

    Piniero, Lyon, Beltre, Torrealba, Uribe and a 5th OF would be excellent. Happ is our 4th starter?


  87. Geoff

    November 20, 2009 at 9:29 am

    I think Kendrick should be the long man in our bullpen. He showed enough at the end of the season to warrant that role I think. Less pressure. Moyer, just, I dunno. Im sure hell be at ST, but they really oughtta pay him to retire early and try to hire him to some kind of coaching role in the organization.


    Happ is a 4th starter kind of, yeah. He slowed down a bit in the postseason, but that couldve just been because his arm was tired. He will probably struggle a bit this season as well. Hed go 5th but that would just mean simply that we have a deeper rotation this year if they go ahead and sign a 4th starter like Piniero or Marquis (but I think they may not be able to afford them, because the Starters will be waiting to see what Lackey gets – and we could always trade).

    Ruben DID say he was looking for Bench Help, Bullpen Help, 3B, and Starting Pitching depth primarily right now. SP depth to me means signing or trading for a 4th starter. It sounds like they will NOT rush Drabek, which is the correct move. They will give him at least half a season at AAA I think.

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