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Rosenthal: Lee & Halladay in Same Deal?

I originally wasn’t going to post this because there is “no proof” that the Phillies are considering this.  However, there seems to be a lot of talk regarding this topic.

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports wonders if Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay could be traded in the same deal.  It sounds absurd, but if you read into it more, it makes a little bit of sense.  It would not be a straight up exchange; it would be a part of a three or four team trade.  Basically, Lee would be traded for prospects.  Those prospects would be sent to Toronto for Halladay.  If the Phillies send more prospects, there is a chance that the Blue Jays would eat some of Halladay’s salary.  Remember, “it’s just a hunch.”

Most of you are thinking: the idea is to have Lee AND Halladay.  Todd Zolecki of also breaks down the idea.  Money is the issue.  Moving Lee would free up about $2 million.  The Phillies aren’t making much progress on a contract extension with Lee, who might want to test free agency next year.  Halladay, also a free agent next season, would most likely require a contract extension for him to wave his no-trade clause.  Then, the Phillies would have Halladay long term instead of Lee.  If Lee and Halladay are on the same team, and even if the Phillies are able to lower their payroll (Joe Blanton would probably be the first one to go), it’s unlikely that the Phillies would be able to keep both Lee and Halladay past 2010.

With that being said, I do not think trading Lee for Halladay is a good idea.  I’d take the risk of having Lee and Halladay on the same team for one year; a year that instantly makes the Phillies World Series favorites.  If that can’t happen, I’m perfectly fine with signing Lee long term.

What do you think?  Is trading Lee for Halladay a good or bad idea?



  1. beta sigma shag

    December 12, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    I say if the people on here have a clue to what the price for these two pitchers are, it is not all that bad. Doc would sign a 3 or 4 year deal around 50-60 mil, where Lee wants 5 years 100 million. So yes it is not that bad of a deal if you get Doc for 4 or 5 years instead of Lee for just one more year. I am not saying I want it to happen I am just saying it would make sense if you get one to sign for longer than next year.

  2. WorldFudgeChamp

    December 12, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    Lee is the man. We know what he can do. Plus he has the support of the city that is hard todo. Lets remember who won the ONLY games for us in the WS. I like Halladay but giving up Cliff Lee for Halladay I don’t think it is going to happen. Why trade one Cy Young guy for another? Cliff Lee is cheaper to then Lee. I am just sick of this Halladay soap opera stuff can’t he just go on a team and stay there. If is a Phill or not i don’t care anyone

  3. beta sigma shag

    December 12, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    that is my point, you get a Cy Young guy for more than one more year, how does that not make sense

  4. beta sigma shag

    December 12, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    And if what people are saying is true Doc would be cheaper in the long run, all I am saying it makes some sense, not that I want to see it happen

  5. Phillies Phan

    December 12, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Suck it up for a year and take them both. Think of the money to be made in the attendance and shirt sales. Win the World Series and deal with it next year!

  6. karen

    December 12, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    How many playoff games has Halliday won? (or even played in)???? The really bad thing is that Lee was the only pitcher who won a world series game this year.

  7. The Dipsy

    December 12, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    All things being equal, of course I would rather have Halladay than Lee. If you think Lee is a stud, wait till you get a load of Halladay. He may be the best starter in the game. You could probably get Halladay for 3y/65m because Halladay wants to pitch here. Lee may want 5 years at….whatever…a lot. I don’t wanna be tied to any pitcher for 5 years for big money. Lee will NOT sign an extension here. Halladay will. Do I feel like going through a whole gymnastics routine to get something like this done? No. If you want Halladay, then go get him. You can worry about Lee down the road. You can always keep him until the trade deadline and dump him off for good value while getting 3/4 of a season of Halladay/Lee/Hamels. What a dream.

    The Dipsy

  8. The Dipsy

    December 12, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    Karen –

    Don’t be silly.

    The Dipsy

  9. Nick

    December 12, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    Sign AT LEAST one of them long term. If we get Lee or Halladay long term, I don’t care nearly as much if we get the other one for a 2010 rent. Long term for both would be great but we all know we don’t have Yankees/Red Sox money.

  10. beta sigma shag

    December 12, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    I am glad some of you get it. Either one of them for the next 4 years is better than both of them for one year, I do not see this happening, but would I care if it did no. I have been saying all along, no one person is worth selling the farm for one year.

  11. NJ

    December 12, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Wow this is like rumourmill masturbation… Why not discuss a deal that sends Halladay to Philly, Lee somewhere else, then sends Adrian Gonzales to Boston, Clay Bucholz and Daniel Bard to Toronto, Aaron Hill to the Dodgers along with Vernon Wells who goes to the Yankees for A-Rod and Chamberlin who then comes to Philly with the Easter bunny and a bag full of bank notes stolen at gun point… Why? Because the later is about as realistic as the beginning part and discussing it was like discussing the Halladay/Vernon Wells for the Philly farm before we acquired Lee.

    We are in the hunt for Halladay but we have to accept the fact ALL reputable insiders still believe despite it not being in their best interests that Roy Halladay will still be in Toronto on opening day. The Angels ARE the best suitor because they have the prospects, money and immediate need. We have a shot but lets not get stupid spinning ideas that are on a par with how we can cure global warming or cure.

    I don’t mean to be rude or overly condescending but there is a little too much talk of trade ideas that as much as some try and legitimize the idea here are clutching at straws (otherwise known as the Ken Rosenthal school of hot stoving). Please go play some Madden or watch some porn or go make a fantasy football or baseball trade, clear your head and we’ll all talk some realistic rumors.

    If the Phils can land Halladay, they can pretty much do it in a way the payroll is flexible enough to have Lee pitch out his option year as the best non-opening day starter in the game and let him walk, hell you trade Blanton or if necessary Jayson Werth or Vic and you have Lee’s salary virtually covered.

  12. Manny

    December 12, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Can’t believe this “hunch” got a whole post for itself…

    More important stuff: notable non-tendered players such as Atkins, Church, Chien Ming Wang, Kelly Johnson…

  13. NJ

    December 12, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    Is anyone else really intrigued by Kelly Johnson?

  14. NJ

    December 12, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Oh on the long-term deal thing Cliff Lee supposedly wants $100m but isn’t going to get it unless someone like the Astros goes all Barry Zito or Alfonso Soriano.

    Halladay should easily get north of $100m. Of all the pitchers who’ve signed $100m+ contracts only Johan Santana is in or above Halladay’s level and he could easily clear $120-130m+ even in this market on the open market.

    He isn’t signing for anywhere even in the same universe as 60/4 unless you’ve kidnapped his two children or forged his signature…

  15. christopher

    December 12, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    ken rosenthal reported a load of BS?? i am SHOCKED i tell you!

  16. william

    December 12, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Trade Blanton and Victorino get the prospects needed to get Halladay at the end of the year let Lee go collect the two picks you get and move on

  17. greg

    December 12, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Who sets the payroll limit? The phillies have the money to spend and
    the fans to support them. c’mon Ruben pull the trigger finger.
    Now is the time to spend,the phils were short one Ace pitcher.
    Lee – Halliday- Hamels

  18. Ed R.

    December 12, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Karen, Sabathia was garbage in the playoffs until this year and Cliff Lee had never started a playoff game before this year. History has to start somewhere. I’ll take a multi time CY Young award winner any day of Cliff Lee. And I love Cliff Lee. But believe me, there is not a person in baseball who, given the chance wouldn’t rather have Halladay than Lee.

  19. Aaron

    December 12, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    can’t say I like the idea of it, but I can’t say I hate it either.

  20. WFC010

    December 12, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    Cliff Lee freaking DESTROYED the Yankees in game 1 of the WS, and I can’t help but get a bit sad thinking how he’ll be gone after next season 🙁

    Roy Halladay may be the better overall pitcher, but is he the better overall pitcher for US?

    I mean I would love to have Halladay for the Phillies, but i’d like to see him pitch at least ONE YEAR alongside Cliff Lee.

  21. BMC

    December 12, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    That makes no sense.. The purpose of a trade is to try and improve your team and this deal wouldn’t accomplish that at all.

  22. justin

    December 12, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    the idea makes so much sense. obviously it would be great to have both but if we are able to get halladay long term then thats great. i dont see Lee resigning with the Phillies and Doc will only accept a trade after an extension is made on his contract. so move lee, get Doc and start another ride to the World Phucking Series!!!

  23. Dan S

    December 12, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Lee for Halladay? absolutely not
    i always figured that if the phillies would get halladay they would sign one long term at the end of the season and let the other go. seems like the best option to me if they phils can get a deal done

  24. The Dipsy

    December 12, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    I think the Phils are in the Halladay thing because its become obvious to them that they are not signing Lee. Its just not gonna happen. NJ – I would like you to chime in on this – does anyone here think as I that Halladay may have told the Jays that he wanys Philly and he won’t waive his no trade for anyone else? That the Jays are basically just trying to make it look like they’re not being held hostage so they can get as much value from us as they can?

    The Dipsy

  25. Zudok

    December 12, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Cliff Lee will test the market in 2011 and he will be gone. Assuming he’ll sign an extension for three years, who would you rather get for Lee – a draft pick or Roy Halladay? Plus, now the Phils keep the prospects and Happ. Do it.

  26. Toby Taitz

    December 12, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    Rumors like this keep baseball alive in the dead of the off-season. Not a chance.

  27. Pimples Galore

    December 12, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    As long as we do not lose Jamie Moyer in the deal. He would be a great color commentator.

  28. Red McNertney

    December 12, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    I think Moyer is not only a valuable player but an excellent example of professional pride and dignity. He should always be a part of the organization. Players look up to him. Soon he will have the record for rendering most home runs in the history of baseball, passing our own Robin Roberts. This will be a special award and milestone for him.

  29. WFC010

    December 12, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    I could totally see Moyer as a future pitching coach or commentator, and I would love to see him remain with the Phillies in some capacity after retirement. That a man who is nearly 50 can pitch AT ALL is testament to the fact that he’s a smart and very talented pitcher.

  30. George

    December 12, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    Where is it written that Halladay will agree to an extension with anybody? Even if he does agree, will he actually settle for anything that the Phils can afford?

    If it’s salary the team is worried about for 2010, they’d probably trade Blanton and keep Lee, because after seeing the absurd contracts handed out to Penny and Wolf, arbitrators may award Blanton with pay almost equal to Lee’s. Lee, of course, is a way more valuable pitcher.

  31. psujoe

    December 12, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    ^^^I agree that Amaro is trying to maximize value for Blanton in order to fasilitate a trade for Halladay. Halladay+Blanton is too costly.

  32. Mazinman

    December 12, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Man I love this time of year. Anything is possible on any given day. Lee for Halladay? Yes if Ruben thinks that Lee will not sign a long term deal and if Halladay is willing to do so. I do think you need to go for both. That would make us a monster in the playoffs.

  33. NJ

    December 12, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Dipsy if the rumours are to be believed back at the deadline the Phils were one of 4 teams Halladay would have agreed a trade to, if I remember rightly the others were the Sox, Yanks, Angels but have a feeling the Dodgers might have been one.

    Right now the Yanks and Sox are considered to be stand-offish like they were with Santana not wanting to surrender their prospects, the Dodgers can’t afford the long-term deal, the ChiSox blew their load on Peavy, the Cubs have gone quiet and I don’t think he’d be convinced to go to Seattle who could afford the contact, so short of the Rockies getting into the mix for real it’s the Angels and Phils.

    As much as we’d like to think it there’s absolutely no way he’s demanding a trade to the Phils and only the Phils otherwise he would have been a Phillie in July.

    The reason the Phils are still in the mix is because Amaro did such a great job in the Lee deal and still have all the coveted prospects, we’d give him the money like we did Jim Thome because he’s that damn good but remember Amaro has said the Phils aren’t working on anything big so who do we believe? Our own GM who has been pretty open or guys like Ken Rosenthal and the kind of reporters who speculated Matt Holliday agreed a deal with the Mets before his contract had even expired…

    Something tells me if he isn’t an Angel by Spring the ghost of Riccardi will haunt Toronto’s season as he becomes a ghost in that clubhouse before signing a deal somewhere around the $140m mark with either Boston or the Phils in the off-season.

  34. joedad

    December 12, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    I figured the Phils would go after Halladay only if they didn’t think they can sign Lee to a long term deal. But I figured they would have Lee AND Halladay for the season. This story could be floated as a negotiation ploy to put pressure on Lee to sign an extension.

    If the Phils trade Lee, they need more in return that just Halladay. Yes, Halladay is a better pitcher than Lee but not by much. So why trade Lee for equal value when you don’t need to? Answer, when you can get additional pieces.

    I think the story is a crock but I love the speculation. I tend to believe the Phils are the team with the best chance of landing Halladay either because they have the pieces needed to trade for him or Halladay insists on being traded to the Phils.

  35. George

    December 12, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    FoxSports sucks, and Ken Rosenthal is one of the biggest reasons why thy do. I don’t mind his tiny size physically, but his tiny size mentally gives me fits. What particularly bothers me is the way he seems to get reasonable people worked up over piles of manure. I, too, enjoy the speculation, but only if it’s speculation over something real, and not some “hunch” thrown out there by an effeminate runt trying to convince people he’s the big man in town.

  36. Andrew

    December 12, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    Why cant they move hamels or does he alread have 0 value?
    i dont see this happening.

  37. Manny

    December 12, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    Reliever D.J. Carrasco was non-tendered… can we go after him?

  38. Nick

    December 12, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    I am so sick of people calling him Halliday. Not as much on this board, but all over the place too. Learn his name. It’s not hard at all.

  39. karen

    December 13, 2009 at 12:13 am

    sorry nick, i cannot really remember the spelling of everyone…i will try though 🙂

    If we do the Lee trade, it then becomes vitally important to keep blanton and happ. perhaps that trade would involve lee all around. i have no idea though

  40. Brian

    December 13, 2009 at 12:32 am

    Rosenthal is a boob, plain and simple. He was a mediocre beat writer for the Orioles and somehow made it out of Baltimore (I am still here…). Anyway, the Lee-Halladay thing is pure folly. The only good that came out of it for me is that if it is true that Lee won’t sign an extension in Philly at something south of ridiculous, then moving him isn’t a terrible idea (though its not great either). If folks want to get in a tizzy, dream big. Trade Blanton or Hamels. Trade Ibanez and Moyer. That’s about $25MM. Get Halladay somehow (still leaves $10MM). Trade Victorino (now $15MM to spend). Sign Holliday. Line up is Rollins, Utley, Holliday, Howard, Werth, Francisco/Taylor, Polanco, Ruiz. Rotation is Halladay, Lee, Hamels or Blanton, Happ and a cheap FA. If Taylor pans out, you have the ability to say bye-bye to Howard after 2011 with Utley, Holliday, Werth and Taylor as your core. If Drabek pans out, you can move Hamels or Blanton (whoever you held on to) after 2010. The result, you could actually afford BOTH Halladay and Lee for the next 3-4 years.

  41. Geoff

    December 13, 2009 at 3:03 am

    stop talking about this, this is a non issue TOTALLY made up piece of garbage rumor….period

  42. Jeff Dowder

    December 13, 2009 at 7:38 am

    It’s hard to see the Phillies paying ANY pitcher in excess of $20 million a year…

  43. Stuart

    December 13, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Why cant we part with some of our own prospects to get Halladay, have Lee and Halladay for next year then let Lee go and re sign Doc. I love our prospects but they have not proven they can play in the majors, a lot of prospects have failed. I would rather have two guys who we KNOW can win for a year and then sign one of them. Anyone else agree? Or am I just crazy?

  44. Dan S

    December 13, 2009 at 11:27 am

    I’d like to see the Phillies sign either John Smoltz or Justin Duscherer as a starter/late innings guy. They could compete with Jamie Moyer and Kyle Kendrick for the 5th spot in the rotation too.

  45. Sarah

    December 13, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    because they want to have a chance to contend in the near future. If you trade away prospects, then your payroll in the future increases because you don’t have any more cheap young talent.

  46. Stuart

    December 13, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    But I feel we dont know how we will be in the future. There is no garuntee that we will suceed. Our prospects may bomb. We know we are contenders now. We know that if we have Halladay and Lee then we have a real good shot at winning. I just have the attitude that we can win now so why not do that. Why just sit back and not be aggressive.

  47. WFC010

    December 13, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    I just want the Phillies to continue being a feared team for a long time, even if they don’t make the playoffs every year, they should continue to finish above .500 and scare the bejesus out of whoever the heck they are up against. Being a guy in my 20’s, the Phillies have been terribad for most of my life, and I just want them to continue to succeed instead of reverting back into their dark ages again, when they were fielding awful teams every year, and were badly mismanaged by boobs who cared jack all about Baseball.


    December 13, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    I think the Phils should go after Juan Uribe as their utility man. He plays every infield position, has some power and is a decent right handed hitter. Plus if Rollins or Utley or Polanco goes down for a stretch, Uribe would be more than an adequate fill-in. I wonder if Ruben Amaro jr reads these posts?

  49. WFC010

    December 13, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    EL GRINGO GORDO: Uribe won’t happen, because the Phillies already signed Castro, and also because Uribe was likely out of their price range anyway. Castro is frankly terrible though, and i’d rather they had just stayed with Beardo.

  50. Manny

    December 13, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    I think Uribe is looking for something more than a utility job…

  51. The Original Chuck P

    December 14, 2009 at 11:08 am

    This makes a ton of sense… if you’re a GM and you want to get the most value for Cliff Lee, who is going to walk after this season, you need to trade him. It’s the same premise that non-contenders live by – prospects are better than draft picks. The problem with being a contender is that Rube can’t sacrifice today to benefit the future. We need a front line pitcher…. BUT if he can trade Lee for prospects that will allow us to get Roy Halladay AND an extension, it’s a no-brainer. Halladay for multiple years is certainly better than Lee for one year. I would be willing to sacrifice my dream rotation (Halladay, Lee, Hamels) for multiple years of Halladay.

  52. Geoff

    December 14, 2009 at 11:31 am

    The point of trading for Halladay now is to create an unstoppable trio at the top of the rotation for this season, then extend Halladay or Lee (likely Lee wil walk). Then you offer Lee arbitration and let him go as a FA, so you can recoup the prospects and restock the farm a little bit. You will only get salary relief for Blanton, not prime prospects.

  53. Geoff

    December 14, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Also, if Amaro trades Lee to another NL contender, especially the Dodgers, thats ground for immediate removal. You DONT do that…

  54. WFC010

    December 14, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    I could just see the Dodgers and even Atlanta drooling at the chance to get a pitcher of Lee’s caliber. Dodgers have more of a need for him though, since Atlanta already has an excellent rotation. But yeah, Amaro has to trade to a non-contender…and i’d prefer he didn’t trade Lee at all.

  55. The Original Chuck P

    December 14, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Geoff, the point is to make the team better without compromising the future. The point of trading Lee away to get Halladay is that it might be the only way that you’re going to get Halladay without severely impacting the future. I would think that one year of Halladay and Lee is not worth major weaknesses down the road.

  56. Geoff

    December 14, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    I really dont think they will get that much for Halladay actually. They will likely get more from the Angels than they would from us.

    Trading Lee just to get Halladay is more or less a lateral move, Halladay is better, but not really by enough to justify going to all that trouble. Particularly if it meant trading Lee to a contender. Thats just plan stupid. No chance…

  57. Don M

    December 14, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    Looks like John Lackey might be signing with BOSTON, he either took, or is taking a physical for them today

    which would mean that LA Angels need to acquire an ACE… which means they’ll likely up their bid for Roy Halladay.. and our dreams of getting him might be over

    With two “ACES” on our roster already.. we clearly won’t try to match an offer that the Angels put out there.. they NEED Halladay, we only WANT Halladay

  58. NEPA

    December 14, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Why does everyone assume Lee will walk after this year?

  59. Don M

    December 14, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    because LEE is said to be seeking AT LEAST 5 YEARS when he becomes a Free Agent

    the Phillies don’t like to go past 3 years for pitchers.. and they aren’t going to have the budget to pay him $20-25 M for 5+ years

    so he’s most likely going to get paid by someone else next season

  60. The Original Chuck P

    December 14, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    From an article on last year when we traded for Lee…

    “Lee, who was a guest on ESPN950 in Philadelphia on Wednesday morning, was asked if he definitely plans to test free agency.

    “That’s where every player wants to be, so honestly, the closer I get to that point, the more likelihood I’m going to be testing free agency,” he said. “But I still have a year and two months ’til then, so we’ll see.””

    Sounds like he’s going to test free agency, to me.

  61. NEPA

    December 14, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Thanks Don,
    But dont you think if he gets to play in another playoff/series,he may soften up to 3 years?
    Who knows for sure?

  62. NEPA

    December 14, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    I guess what really bugs me is that we finally get really good players who want to be here,and then ,when it comes down to keeping them,$60 million isnt enough…….they need $120 million.Only Then can they be happy.
    What a bunch of bull**it!

  63. WFC010

    December 14, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Well, we all better PRAY that Cole Hamels gets his crap back together, and that Kyle Drabek lives up to everything he’s supposed to be, because once Lee walks, our teams pitching staff will depend on those 2.

  64. bob

    December 14, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    Let the Hallladay madness continue……

    I love Lee but if u could flip him to a third team and give that team gives Toronto their propects AND sign Halladay to an extension, YOU’D HAVE TO DO THAT? Right?

  65. Ed R.

    December 14, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    CSN’s Jim Salisbury reports today that the Phillies are “actively talking” about a contract extension with Roy Halladay’s agent, according to two baseball sources. One of those sources told Salisbury Doc is likely to take a physical with the Phillies this week. The Philadelphia Inquirer’s Andy Martino adds that Halladay and his agent have checked into a Philadelphia-area hotel.

    What’s more, Salisbury writes of “indications that pitcher Cliff Lee could be traded.” SI’s Jon Heyman wrote today that Lee would take no discount to sign an extension. Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports write that “a three-team blockbuster that would send Halladay to the Phillies and Lee to another club is under discussion.” They add that the Mariners have “contemplated dealing for Lee in recent days,” but a straight Phillies-Jays trade is also possible. The writers say these complex talks involve the Phils receiving money to put toward Halladay’s $15.75MM salary next year.

    Questions: would Halladay command a C.C. Sabathia contract, even though he’ll be 33 in May? And which teams could match up for Lee aside from the Mariners? The Angels, Dodgers, Brewers, Rangers, Rays, and Red Sox were linked to Lee in July trade talks, but things have changed since then.

    According to

  66. Don M

    December 14, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Yea, everything I’ve heard about Lee is that he’s seeking that Monster contract … he wants to be paid like one of the top pitchers in baseball

    No chance he turns down 5+ years, $20-25 per year… just to stay with the Phillies for 3 years, $20 M

    If we can do that trade, and on our end, its just a straight-up Lee goes somewhere, and Roy Halladay comes here …. you have to make the move !

    Halladay is the better pitcher, would balance our rotation more, and would be more willing to sign a team-friendly extension

  67. The Original Chuck P

    December 14, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Are we having fun yet?

  68. Don M

    December 14, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    two sources are stating that Halladay is already in Philadelphia …

    Ruben Amaro should run for President of the United States in 2012.. because he knows how to make shit happen!!! For shizzle!!

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