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Odds & Ends: Former Phillies Watch

Originally published on January 25, 2010 at 9:59 PM.

Some players from the 2009 Phillies roster made the latest baseball headlines:

The deal has a major league invitation to spring training.  With a weak hitting Padres club, Stairs has a good chance to make the big league roster as a left-handed bat off the bench.

Walker, 33, pitched well in 35.1 innings with the Phillies in 2009.  In July, I was surprised a team like the Nationals, who had a weak bullpen, didn’t take a chance on him when he was designated for assignment by the Phillies.  Instead, he stayed in the Phillies system and pitched well down the stretch.

Park was a huge factor in the Phillies bullpen last season, and it’s a shame the Phillies can’t bring him back.  Park mentioned that he wants to start again, but he was more effective in the bullpen last season.

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UPDATES: Other former Phillies made Tuesday’s headlines:

(4:30 PM): The New York Yankees acquired former Phillies prospect Greg Golson

Golson was designated for assignment by the Texas Rangers last week.  After being designated for assignment, a team has a certain amount of days to trade the player.  The Rangers are trading Golson to the Yankees for Mitch Hilligoss and cash considerations.

(6:10 PM):  The Minnesota Twins and Jim Thome agree to terms.

No terms were announced, but the deal is one-year, with incentives.

103 Comments

103 Comments

  1. Johnny

    January 25, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    I’m happy Stairs was able to find a club willing to give him an opportunity.

  2. deebo

    January 25, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    i’ve been watching and reading, patiently, for about four months. time to chime in. we have a locked up team thru 2011 with the exception of werth. howard’s 260/42/125 is much more easy to replace than werth’s 270/30/100. insane, right? it’s beautiful having ryan but how many 1B’s are out there that dont strike out as much and post comparable (sp?) OBPs and SLGs? howard can leave after 2011 and be repalced by the likes of jack cust, carlos pena, adrian gonzalez or nick johnson, with little loss in production. 2012, ala the movie, will only be saved by repalcing rollins and deciding if hamels is staying. 2011 will not include werth unless there is a significant “home team” discount. RAJ understands that 25% of the roster needs to be turned over and he has intentionally left those openings in the pitching staff. unless 2012 includes anthony hewitt at SS, mark your mayan calendars.

  3. Buster Heyman

    January 25, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    Didn’t Brandon Duckworth end up on a team too? Oh wait…

  4. Philly Texan

    January 25, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    So long, Matt Freakin’ Stairs.

    We’ll never forget that home run in L.A…..

  5. WFC010

    January 26, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Happy to see Matt Stairs getting another chance, but I wish he stayed with the Phillies in some capacity like a coach or something 🙁

    Tyler Walker is a very good signing by the Nationals, even though I wasn’t much of a fan of his with the Phillies.

    As for Chan Ho Park…he was a HUGE asset to us last year, and I really wish he could work something out to stay with the Phillies some more, but he’s deadset on starting soooo…

  6. Ed R.

    January 26, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Well as for Park, the two teams rumored to be after him, the Cubs and Rays, as I see it, do not seem to have a real need for starting pitchers. Tampa is pretty set with their starting 5. And the Cubs, have like 7 guys already in the hunt for 5 spots, with Zambrano, Lilly and Dempster pretty much set. I would bet dollars to donuts that Park ends up as a reliever no matter where he goes.

  7. NickFromGermantown

    January 26, 2010 at 8:32 am

    The Park situation is very frustrating to say the least. You’d think he’d want to stay with a winner like the Phillies is a role he flourished in. Oh well. I suppose it’s his loss mainly. I’d still like to see him out of the ‘pen in red pinstripes though.

  8. Chuck

    January 26, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Park insisted on starting…he sucked at it..that’s why the Phillies went in another direction..

    If he had accepted …and embraced… the reliever role for this season..he might just have a job here..

    Instead he wanted something that’s unrealistic

    Let him go and pitch somewhere else..too late now.

  9. George

    January 26, 2010 at 10:13 am

    The biggest problem with re-signing Park would have been money. He was asking a small fortune when the Phils decided to go a different direction. It’ll be Park’s loss, because he’s not going to get much from the Cubs or Rays, and would have been better off lowering his expectations sooner.

    As for Stairs and Walker, I hope they both do well.

    As for Deebo, you’ve got Howard’s RBIs wrong, Cust strikes out almost as much, Johnson is always injured and doesn’t have the same power, and Gonzales as a free agent will be getting almost as much as Howard. Pena and Cust will both likely be washed up by the time Howard’s a free agent, if they aren’t already.

    If this is the kind of players you propose to replace Howard, I’d say it’d be easier to replace Werth. Even some of the Phils own minor leaguers might be able to do it. And by the way, Werth has yet to reach 100 RBIs, so you’ve got that wrong, too.

    If you’re so worried about Mayan calendar predictions, bear in mind that if they come true, the entire game of baseball won’t matter.

  10. Griffin

    January 26, 2010 at 10:14 am

    I’d rather have Park and Walker than Baez and Durbin. Park didn’t seem too interested in re-signing, but releasing Walker and keeping Durbin is a head scratcher. Durbin hasn’t been good since early ’08.

    All the best to Matt Stairs. I look forward to seeing him at all the ’08 reunions.

  11. Chuck

    January 26, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Durbin wasn’t all that bad last year …and impressed in the postseason…he was a key part of the pen..

    I liked Walker too…but obviously the Phillies feel more comfortable with Durbin

    I don’t think it makes or breaks the season.

    —–

    As for Jack Cust…I’ve always considered him to be a very good AAA player and a DH type for the AL…I can’t see him replacing Ryan Howard.

  12. Jeff

    January 26, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Matt Stairs please just retire already. A minor league contract, please. How many at bats will he get. Just retire with some respect. Phillies need to sign Werth. How can you let this guy go after this year. He is a huge part of this team. He is better then Bay. The arm, bat, running on the bases. Stealing home. Lock this guy up for three years.

  13. Don M

    January 26, 2010 at 10:30 am

    was that dude serious about how it would be easy to replace Howard?

    Carlos Pena hits like .220 with a lot of HRs.

    Adrian Gonzalez will get a contract somewhere in the area of $20 M per season..

    Jack Cust and Nick Johnson .. clearly, you were joking

  14. Don M

    January 26, 2010 at 10:33 am

    They’ll let him go because, like Amaro said.. you can’t have a team where every player is making $15-20 Million per season

    Howard is a Hall of Fame type player, and they’ll do all they can to keep him here for his career … Werth is a very talented player, that other teams will be willing to outbid us for …. I think he’s gone after this year

  15. Chuck

    January 26, 2010 at 10:46 am

    The reality is…no matter who you think is more valuable for the team ….more versatile, whatever…

    Ryan Howard creates more sellouts than Jayson Werth. As much as I like Werth…people watch games on TV and go to the ballpark….more because of guys like Howard and Utley.

    It sucks…because Werth is a very exciting player…and extremely talented.

  16. Ben

    January 26, 2010 at 11:15 am

    didn’t someone say park wants to start b/c korea (his home country) won’t televise a game unless they know he will be in it? if he is a reliever they won’t know what game he will be in, so they don’t televise any of them.

  17. bfo_33

    January 26, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Ben – correct. I can’t blame Park for wanting to be a starter, unfortunately, he’s not that good at it. Either way, he’ll remain in the big leagues, just at a lower salary, less competitive team. He probably more than makes up for it with S. Korea endorsements.

    Don M, a truly chilling link. While Philly doesn’t have wall street money, it’s not Detroit either. They could probably increase tix $ by 30% more and still sell out most games. While Deebo could use a fact checker (or maybe a new mix of meds), the intent is there – need young, cheap turnover – if not 25%, at least 3 or 4 guys on 25 man roster.

  18. Chuck

    January 26, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    I can blame Chan Ho Park for wanting to be a starter…

    If he just realized that he’s awful in that role…and understood that he has a demand…and a future….in the bullpen….he probably would be courted by more teams….including the Phillies.

    If the Phillies increased ticket prices 30%…that would be disastrous for the “average Joe” fan….that wants to bring his family to a few games a year…and not feel as though he’s being raped in the process.

    Bad idea.

  19. GREENINIL

    January 26, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    ? for discussion with Howard – home many double plays do his strikouts eliminate?

  20. Chuck

    January 26, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    And your point is…???

  21. bfo_33

    January 26, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Sheets to the As for 1 yr, $10M. Sounds very high for a guy who didn’t throw a pitch last year due to elbow surgery.

  22. Don M

    January 26, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    screw the Phillies… Tell me about these soft foam earplugs!


    Team leader in hits with either 1 or no runners on base, with a lead of 2 or more runs, while the Phanatic holds popcorn he just stole out of a kids hand. .

    I think it will be Polanco

  23. psujoe

    January 26, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    We get nothing for Werth in terms of picks because he can’t get arbitration, correct?

  24. Don M

    January 26, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    If Werth were to leave after 2010… he would get draft picks as compensation..

    He would likely be classified as a TYPE A FREE AGENT,

    which would give us a 1st round pick .. plus another pick between the completion of the 1st, and the start of the 2nd round

    The Oakland A’s just wasted $10 M … with or without Sheets they’ll be lucky to finish above 3rd in the AL WEST

    That was the dumbest move of the offseason

  25. psujoe

    January 26, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Thanks Don. I agree on the A’s over paying for Sheets.

  26. Chuck

    January 26, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    I don’t ….the Mets acquiring Sarge, Jr. was pretty stupid, too.

    This is why I’m glad Ruben Amaro, Jr. is the GM of the Phillies!

  27. Don M

    January 26, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    The problem with draft picks is that only something like 30% of 1st round draft picks ever reach the Major Leagues (and lesser chance for picks from lower rounds)

    Which is why so many teams would rather trade a player for PROSPECTS (guys that are closer to making the big leagues already).. instead of letting players walk away as Free Agents only to get draft picks in return

  28. Don M

    January 26, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Mets are only paying $2 M for him over two seasons.. thats not bad at all

    If he’s healthy he’s decent.. better than Mayberry Jr buy a ton

  29. bfo_33

    January 26, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Mets aren’t done yet, so I’d qualify it as the dumbest move to date. I thought Sheets would get a cheap contract with a ton of incentives. Could be the price of playing for a team with little talent or hope, an aging stadium, and ugly uniforms.

  30. bfo_33

    January 26, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    I don’t have a problem with Sarge jr for $2M, but they did give up one of their few decent bullpen arms in Stokes (would you take jr for $2M and Durbin?). On a whole, a fair to poor deal, not terrible.

  31. Don M

    January 26, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    If Beltran is ready to start the season.. and your starting RF is Jeff Francouer. .. then yea, probably

  32. Chuck

    January 26, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    I can see Matthews being a good insurance policy….I guess my point is…why is he getting paid that kind of money in the first place??

    The Sheets deal IS a real head-scratcher..

    Again…thanks Ruben for the decisions you’ve made for the Phillies!!

  33. Chuck

    January 26, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    A few posts back I MEANT to say…… “I don’t know…..the Mets…….”

    It sounded as though I was responding in the negative to the comment from psujoe when he was agreeing that the A’s overpaid for Ben Sheets.

    Obviously, that was a stupid move on the A’s part.

  34. psujoe

    January 26, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Rube’s off season has been excellent. Charlie was talking about his nwe bench and he’s excited about it. Bull pen is the only eral question mark.

  35. George

    January 26, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Trading for Matthews comes in as a stupid move because the Mets don’t need him. They have Pagan to play in place of Beltran for the first month or so. The $2 million might have helped pay for a decent #2 starter.

    Signing Sheets could actually work out, though. Incentives would have been better, but $10 million is peanuts if he pitches like he’s capable of pitching.

    And since the Mets were also bidding on Sheets,too, this should be considered a very good signing to Phils fans.

  36. Chuck

    January 26, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    That was my first thought….that I’m glad that at least Sheets is out of our hair…

    ….unless by some miracle the A’s are in the World Series..

    which isn’t gonna happen.

  37. therookie300

    January 26, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Say Sheets has a good first half and the A’s trade him. They pay for a half a season of him and could possibly get some prospects out of this deal. I’m betting that is part of the plan and if their a competing team, then it pays dividends too. Price might have been a little high, but you never know…

  38. WorldFudgeChamp

    January 26, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    the rookie300,

    Interesting take on the Sheets deal. I don’t get the A’s. I mean what are they trying todo? They bring in a big name player like Holliday last year or Sheets and then get rid of them. I also see the A’s as a retirement place for baseball players that were once GOOD but are average now like Jason G who is now with the Rockies. I am not sure about their farm system though. I know they have Mike Taylor now but has anyone heard of a big player in the farm system that was or is like the Chase Utley. But i see that they have some stuff to move forward like their ROY closer, i forget the name of him. But The A’s are one of those teams i dont see what they are doing.

  39. Bret

    January 26, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    Ruben didn’t trade Dominic Brown for one reason. He’s the replacement for Werth.

  40. pheeling it

    January 26, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    we’ll sign werth, he wants to play here. brown will replace ibanez, because i hear he’s not ready.

    i wanted michael brown, he’s going to win rookie of the year in the AL next year, he’s ready to go right now so letting him go cemented us to jayson werth. brown can’t replace werth, he’s the only righty! sorry chooch

    shoudlnt have moved sooo many prospects ruben, now you gotta pay for veterans. i’m excited for phillipe aumont but that is NOT enough for all the names you shipped away. i saw a blueclaws comeback this season involving travis d’naud, he’s a doubles kinda guy. and don’t get me started on knapp.

    i think this season is about revenge. i think the target it off the back this season, everyone got their own little punch in the gut @ some point, even cliff got hit. HK passed away this season, i mean STUFF WENT WRONG. and charlie says halladay is a “tad” better than lee because when he doesn’t have his stuff, he can work with it and he always wants to get 9. im always for the phillies in their move of cliff and hate bringing it up, but check this out…

    hamels myers blanton moyer park

    HALLADAY hamels blanton happ….moyer?

    lol for moyer. I love the guy but come on, come on. i cannot have high hopes for him. looking at opening day 2010, the fire has been rekindled. this team is so good that even playing bad they the best in the NL. 100 wins this season! raul do good and make people proud, and lets have high hopes

  41. pheeling it

    January 27, 2010 at 12:05 am

    and if it’s true the mets signed matthews for 2 year/ 2 mil, Y DID THE PHILS NOT SEE THAT! one reason- so sarge could say Cadillac time for his own son! if he says it for him while he plays for the mets, i’m blowing up the booth while he and mccarthy are in it.

    merril reese could do baseball…..i mean joe buck can do it, and he sucks!

  42. ActuallyChilled

    January 27, 2010 at 2:19 am

    check this out..

    the main challenge for the phillies is clearly winning the playoff series against a NY, Boston, etc. thus the rotation must be shut down, and depending on the maturity of players like hamels and happ is a risk within itself. based on lee’s playoff performance last year, the replacement of halladay into the playoff rotation is essentially a non-factor. that being said, winning another world championship rests on the maturity increases in existing starters. Perhaps there was not much of a way around this unless increasing ticket prices or adjusting costs etc to sign both long-term Lee and Halladay. But in this case, you lose much of the farm system. To work around this situation, I would have just kept Lee long term for 4 years negotiated, and signed Ben Sheets as a dark horse. That way, you still have Drabek in the wings to make a possible impact for the nearer-term rotation, and a star and fan favorite in Lee, then finally the potential for Hamels to rebound and Blanton/Happ to improve. Perfect world, loyal organization. This also frees up extra cash in signing Lee instead to help a bit for the cost of a Sheets (7-12 M).

  43. The Dipsy

    January 27, 2010 at 8:07 am

    I would suggest Kendrick/Contreras in the fifth slot. Moyer might not even play that much. He’s hurt, he’s having 23 surgeries in the offseason. If I’m RAJ, I tell him to get ready to pitch one inning at a time because he may be our lefty out of the pen. At 47, or whatever, I don’t see how he can bitch about this. I think he can be effective, I mean, if you believe in the “change of pace” guy, isn’t he the ultimate?

    Rollins
    Polanco
    Utley
    Howard
    Werth
    Ibanez
    Victorino
    Ruiz

    Set it in stone.

    The Dipsy

  44. Chuck

    January 27, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Moyer could be our version of Jesse Orosco..how old was he when he last pitched?? Something approaching fifty?? And he was EFFECTIVE.

  45. mikemike

    January 27, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Man the Sheets signing really blew me away, 10 million never thought he would get near that,and incentives for more. I know longer can say what players are worth after this one, my son always say there is a ass for everyseat and he is right, why would you pay him that kind of money , and to mention Detroit ,they spend big money in the draft and our near or above us in players salary. I still dont see brown as a replacement for werth, no power, not a good outfielder, for ibanez yes but not near a werth type player. I still believe ibanez wont be a big asset to us this year hope I am wrong.

  46. Ed R.

    January 27, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Gauranteed Sheets does not finish the season in Oakland. He will be trade bait for sure.

  47. Chuck

    January 27, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Yeah…this Sheets thing is really baffling..

    Wonder how Big Joe feels now?? Let’s say Sheets signs BEFORE Blanton’s contract was inked..

    Blanton might have balked….and taken his chances with the arbitrator.

    I glad he didn’t of course…and, in the end, probably did the right thing for himself.

  48. George

    January 27, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Sheets won’t be very good trade bait at $10 million/year. He could bring back, at most, some pretty low level prospects unless he’s pitching completely lights-out. If he’s doing that well, it puts the A’s in contention, and they would have no reason to trade him.

    Moyer may still prove an adequate starter or middle relief guy. I doubt he’d be a left-handed specialist, not due to lack of effectiveness, but because it takes too long for him to warm up, and he probably can’t go on back to back days.

    Keeping Lee long term may not have been doable, and Ben Sheets as a “dark horse” would have cost too much given that the Phils got money back in the Halladay trade. Therefore, ActuallyChilled, there would have been no extra cash. Also, from what I’ve read, Aumont has better stuff than Drabek; he’s just a little further away from the majors. It costs prospects to get proven talent, so sometimes proven talent has to be traded to get the prospects back: prospects for Halladay, Lee for prospects. It may seem like a wash, but Halladay, according to EVERYONE, is the better pitcher.

  49. bfo_33

    January 27, 2010 at 9:54 am

    I’d put Vic before Ibanez (would possibly generate a few more runs, allow Victorino to slap hit vs trying to drive in runs, give him a chance to run more without having to slow up for Ibanez, give Ruiz more RBI ops, but I don’t think it would change the overall record much). Charlie is a master at reading guys, knowing what will get the best out of them.

    I don’t think the Sheets contract would have effected Blanton much either way. I don’t blame guys who chase the money, but think that Blanton likes playing here, wanted some stability. He probably lives in a log cabin in the middle of nowhere, figured a 3 year contract sets him up for life. If he has the desire to keep going after the contract is up, can go for another contract, otherwise, spend the rest of his life fishing. A month until pitchers/catchers report?

  50. Ed R.

    January 27, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Sheets signed with Oakland. Billy Bean is all about trading for or signing guys that he can turn around and trade at the deadline. If Sheets is pitching well he will absolutely be worth a lot. Even at 10 mil, by the time the deadline comes around the season will be more than half over, so the team taking him on won’t have to pay that much. Especially if they can trade someone on their current roster away to try and offset the coast.

    You don’t think a healthy Sheets will be valuable to a team that is in contention for a playoff spot? I do.

    There are easily a half dozen fringe playoff teams that could benefit greatly from one more good starting pitcher. Sheets can be dominant when he is healthy. The A’s even with Sheets pitching lights out are not better than the Rangers and Mariners. The Angels lost a lot of guys but I would not be shocked to see them in the thick of it until the end.

    As for Lee, apparently no one wants this to die down. Amaro was not going to offer Lee more than three years. Lee was offered and rejected the very same deal that Halladay accepted. If Lee had accepted the 3 year @ 60 million deal then he would still be here. He rejected it and the Phillies moved on. Once Lee or Lee’s agent turned the deal down then they knew that at best they would get Lee for one year and then two picks out of it. Which may or may not ever turn into an ML ready player. With Halladay on board they knew that they had to restock the farm as best they could. Who knows, a year or two from now some of the guys they got in the Lee trade could end up playing huge roles for them. And if that is the case then the Lee trade looks that much better.

  51. Chuck

    January 27, 2010 at 10:11 am

    It’s gonna take a bit more than Sheets pitching “completely lights-out” in order for the A’s to be anywhere close to contention..they are a 3rd place team at best..

  52. mikemike

    January 27, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Here is my question a healthy sheets is worth a lot, at trade dealine why isnt a healthy lee worth more???

  53. Don M

    January 27, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Because Sheets.. if he has a great year this year, would only command $12-15M tops as a Free Agent

    Lee.. will command $20- 25 M per season as a Free Agent

    The only teams that can afford Lee at that price, would rather just outbid other teams, than give up prospects now.. AND THEN pay him that money.

  54. Don M

    January 27, 2010 at 11:11 am

    Here’s a take on TOP PROSPECTS.. according to Fanhouse.com .. TOP 100

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    15. KYLE DRABEK (RHP), BLUE JAYS

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    Age: 22 | Height: 6-0 | Weight: 185
    2009 Stats: 12-3 W-L | 3.19 ERA | 158 IP | 150 SO | 50 BB
    Finished ’09: Reading (Double-A Eastern League)

    The Skinny: If Phillippe Aumont was the pitching prospect with the best stuff in Roy Halladay-Cliff Lee deal, then Drabek is the one with the best combination of stuff and polish. He’s undersized, but the 22-year-old has the stuff, bloodlines and feel for pitching to perform at the top of a big-league rotation. Aside from some lingering makeup concerns, Drabek is very close to the total package.

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    19. DOMONIC BROWN (OF), PHILLIES

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    Age: 22 | Bats: L | Height: 6-5 | Weight: 204
    2009 Stats: .299 AVG | 14 HR | 64 RBI | .377 OBP | 23 SB
    Finished ’09: Reading (Eastern League)

    ——————————————————————————–
    The Skinny: Brown is often described as a scout’s dream. He has a frame reminiscent of Darryl Strawberry’s, and while his power probably won’t reach those heights, he has tools galore. The on-the-field results have caught up to the tools in a hurry, but he’s not a finished product.

    ***

    29. PHILLIPPE AUMONT (RHP), PHILLIES

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    Age: 20 | Height: 6-7 | Weight: 220
    2009 Stats: 2-6 W-L | 3.88 ERA | 51 IP | 59 SO | 23 BB
    Finished ’09: High Desert (Advanced Single-A California League)

    ——————————————————————————–
    The Skinny: The best pure arm, and the player with the most upside in the Halladay-Lee blockbuster, was Aumont. He is not as far along in his development as Kyle Drabek but the raw stuff stacks up with anyone. Armed with a 92-95 mph heavy sinking fastball and a four-seamer he can sit at 94-98 mph with, the 6-foot-7 Canadian can get by on arm alone. Couple that with his plus breaking ball at 79-83 mph and Aumont has two pitches that could make him a downright dominant force.

    ***
    38. MICHAEL TAYLOR (OF), ATHLETICS

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    Age: 24 | Bats: R | Height: 6-6 | Weight: 250
    2009 Stats: .320 AVG | 20 HR | 84 RBI | .395 OBP | 21 SB
    Finished ’09: Lehigh Valley (Triple-A International League)

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    The Skinny: The 6-foot-6, athletic outfielder has the type of talent that can help a team in all facets. He has 30-homer power potential and the ability to steal 20-30 bases in the majors. He has improved vastly in the last two seasons, and appears ready to start in the majors out of spring training in 2010.

    ***
    46. ANTHONY GOSE (OF), PHILLIES

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    Age: 19 | Bats: L | Height: 6-1 | Weight: 190
    2009 Stats: .259 AVG | 2 HR | 52 RBI | .323 OBP | 76 SB
    Finished ’09: Lakewood (Single-A South Atlantic League)

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    The Skinny: The Phillies’ scouting department has long been in favor of drafting athletes, and few athletes are as intriguing as Gose. Blessed with blistering speed that grades out as an 8 tool on the 2-8 scouting scale, Gose has the skills to wreak havoc on the basepaths. His times to first base are consistently under four seconds. Very few players come along that have the skills to be an elite big-league base-stealer, but he is one of them. He also shows an outstanding, plus throwing arm in center field. As far as his skills at the plate, he’s still quite raw.

    ***
    50. TYSON GILLIES (OF), PHILLIES

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    Age: 21 | Bats: L | Height: 6-2 | Weight: 190
    2009 Stats: .341 AVG | 9 HR | 42 RBI | .430 OBP | 44 SB
    Finished ’09: High Desert (Advanced Single-A California League)

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    The Skinny: The world met Gillies at last year’s Futures Game, as he not only impressed with his inspiring story but also his potentially game-changing skills. Few players in the minors have the speed of Gillies, and he has the range to be a Gold Glove-caliber center fielder. The offense has continued to improve — the 21-year-old had a fantastic 2009 campaign, hitting .341 with nine home runs and 44 stolen bases.

    ….
    None of the prospects moved in the Lee deal got mentioned anywhere in this list, in fairness I think Jason Knapp was highly-rated last year, but battled injury with probably made him fall back this year

  55. The Dipsy

    January 27, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Thank you Don. No being smart but, I’ve never heard of Fanhouse before. But Don, NOW can I get excited about Gillies?

    The Dipsy

  56. pheeling it

    January 27, 2010 at 11:45 am

    wow, i saw gose myself, but had no IDEA he stole 76 bags! gilllies had a near 500 on base percent, and aumont is a stud. maybe the farm isn’t dead after all!

  57. Don M

    January 27, 2010 at 11:47 am

    I think fanhouse is pretty new.. but they have legit sportwriters working for them

    I just thought that was interesting because everyone was burrying Aumount …. but before the deal went down, I listened to Jayson Stark and ?? someone else saying that Aumount is young, big, with a TON of potential

    and that Gillies is a contact hitter who can FLY .. (which is why I said before that maybe he’ll turn into a Victorino type one day)

    We’re young right now… with some decent prospects climbing the ladder. I really wish we had more legit pitching prospects on the way though, but I think Flande can be really good under the right coaching

    I saw him last year keeping the ball extremely low in the zone.. inducing ground balls etc.. it would be nice to have a more talented Kyle Kendrick type coming up in the system.. since you need #4 and #5 pitchers on your roster too

  58. Don M

    January 27, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Maybe these aren’t the world greatest propsects.. but they give us a chance to have some legit players still in the system

    and with our roster now, Marson, Donald, Carrasco, Knapp weren’t going to get any playing time anytime soon anyway…. now they’ve slipped down from being “TOP PROSPECTS”

    These are guys that in 2 years will be knocking on the door to the Majors, seemingly when we would need them the most

  59. Paul Boye

    January 27, 2010 at 11:51 am

    That list has some pretty big flaws on the whole, to be fair. It’s definitely pretty contrarian.

    As for Gillies: http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?pl=502265

    You can see he had an extraordinarily high BABIP. If you normalize that (clicking “Luck” in the top right corner) his slash stats fall to a more pedestrian .295/.391/.421. Still excellent, and with his speed that’s a great line if he can sustain it, but he’s not a .350 hitter.

    That said! I do think he’s worth getting excited over. He’s not on Dom Brown’s level, but he could be very exciting.

  60. Chuck

    January 27, 2010 at 11:52 am

    I heard Stark say that about Aumont as well…that’s why I can’t understand all the bitching about the Lee trade…

    It’s not like we got “junk” in return.

    Fanhouse is a pretty good site.. I’ve looked at it before..I think it was linked to something else I was reading and that’s how I happened to see it.

  61. NJ

    January 27, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Proves the hit on the far was marginal and the front office did their due dilligence. I think in the back of the minds of the front office they probably said are we likely to get back to the WS a third straight year, and would anything else but winning outweigh the chances of securing a 3 window window to win plus a possible further window past that…

    No longer can this deal be looked at as Halladay vs Lee & the prospects, it’s now Halladay plus all the guys that have been locked up.

    Boy did Golson’s value fall off a cliff in a hurry…

    Good luck to Thome, glad he gets a chance to finish things off with some dignity instead of festering as a glorified pinch-hitter.

  62. NJ

    January 27, 2010 at 11:56 am

    … And to think at the time Ramirez was being called the prospect with the highest ceiling in the trade…

  63. Chuck

    January 27, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Yeah , I had heard that unless Ramirez was included in the trade …that it wasn’t happening..

  64. NJ

    January 27, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    You take a teams top pitching and 2nd highest positional prospect and a guy some consider better than both AND lock up 4/5th’s of your rotation under market value, for a would have been nice and no guarantee we’d get a pick in the top 30…

    Can we start calling this shrewd work yet?

  65. Griffin

    January 27, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Keith Law ranked the minor league systems and the Phils came in at 24th overall.

    “They kept their best prospect, Domonic Brown but traded everyone else, and their next wave of impact guys largely spent 2009 in short-season ball. The Lee trade with Seattle restored some depth between Brown and the Anthony Goses and Sebastian Valles of the system.”

  66. NJ

    January 27, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Keith Law is a great scout but never has anything to say good about the Phils… Ever…

    Can anyone find a single article he raves about the Phillies like the Mets, Rays or Yankees?

  67. bfo_33

    January 27, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    4 guys in the top 50 prospects? Sounds like a pretty good farm system. I know prospects are always a gamble, but how do the top Fangraph prospects pan out? Do they have a decent history of picking solid MLB players?

    I try to get to a few Pigs games every year, follow some of the younger guys, but don’t know much about the lower level farm except for what I read here and there. Outfield and pitching are the shorter term needs, but do the Phils have any low level infield prospects with potential?

  68. Griffin

    January 27, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    NJ, Keith Law picked the Phillies to get to the WS last year and he said Chase Utley was the 2nd best player in all of baseball (behind Pujols).

    Those fanhouse ranking are highly, highly debatable. The consensus on Phuturephillies is that Dom Brown is the only Phillie prospect in the top 50.

  69. Don M

    January 27, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Keith Law is a joke.. I don’t listen to anything he says…

    His opionion should count just as much as “Just Crushed” when he posts his hissy fits on this website..

    Law never says anything positive about the Phillies..


    Granted, Fanhouse isn’t the definite answer to IF THESE PROSPECTS ARE GOOD OR NOT

    but its a valid opinion as well .. I will be interested to see what Baseball America says about the prospects this year, but at the same time.. they said that Homer Bailey was the next great thing..

    and that Cameron Maybin was outstanding, etc..

  70. Don M

    January 27, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Aumont had a down year last year, but he’s really young, with a tremendously high ceiling..

    Gillies is good enough to hit .321 through 3 seasons of minor leaugue baseball.. . .

    Most of the time these scouts are way too obsessed with Power Potential.. instead of just watching guys help their teams win games. .

    Which to me, is exactly how Victorino went RULE 5 draft… slipped to the Phillies, and we managed to keep him

    Greg Golson was a highly rated prospect too …

    Basically, lets just see what happens, but wanted to put something out there that gives a positive spin on all the prospects involved in that trade..

  71. Chuck

    January 27, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    The fact that Keith Law worked with former GM J.P. Ricciardi in Toronto tells you all you need to know in formulating an opinion about the guy.

  72. The Dipsy

    January 27, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    I mentioned this last month and got poo poo’d. Tyson Gillies batted .341 last year with 44 steals and a high OBP. Someone said, “Yeah, but he was in a hitters league”. I don’t give a damn. Correct me if I’m wrong but hitters leagues are primarily called that because of the climate, thin air v. thick air, etc. I wouldn’t imagine that it would affect singles hitter, i.e. Gillies, less than it helps the power guys like Eric Karros and all those Dodger guys from the PCL who hit 64/185/.388 in AAA. Gillies is a .321 career hitter, no matter where he plays, and the Phillies reportedly wanted him over the other guy, I forget his name already. I see him as a Michael Bourne type….but with hearing.

    The Dipsy

    P.S. The A’s are delusional for signing Sheets to that contract.
    P.S.S. N.J.- Where ya been?

  73. Chuck

    January 27, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Wait…I thought he COULDN’T hear??

    _____

    I am certainly no expert…but what you say makes sense. I would think that someone could just as easily hit a single in Philadelphia as he could in a place like Denver…where the air is thinner.

  74. Don M

    January 27, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    The new thing in baseball is Great Speed, Gret Defense … Players aren’t hitting 50-60 HR’s anymore .. so you want the best All Around players

    Phillies have 3 legit prospects in their OF with

    Gose, Gillies, Brown ….

    None of them will ever be 50 HR hitters, but if they hit 15, and steal bags, take runs away on Defense.. that can be just as good

    WHEN THE F* DOES THIS SEASON START… I’m DYING OVER HERE

  75. The Dipsy

    January 27, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Right sorry…..”but without hearing”.

    The Dipsy

  76. Don M

    January 27, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Speed isn’t really something you can teach.. you can teach guys to get more lift on the ball, and you can have them bulk up, and get stronger to hit HRs

    but a team with Juan Pierre and Luis Castillo can dominate and give teams fits, just the same as a team with Sluggers in the middle of the order

    the other thing is that the speedy, singles hitters usually get to the plate an extra time per game and can help you create more. . .

  77. Don M

    January 27, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Bourn’s deaf ??? Or just doesn’t listen to coaching?

  78. Billy

    January 27, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Braves Rule!!!! We gonna beat yo butts this year! TOMAHAWK

  79. psujoe

    January 27, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    WHo did fanhouse rate higher Saunders or Gillies? Just curious. anyone knoe were baseballamerica(the prospect bible) know were these guys rank?

  80. The Dipsy

    January 27, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Oh wait, NOW Gillies is “legit” beacuse some idiot for Outhouse.com says he is? Well, it just happens I agree. But Gose has a LOT of work to do with his hitting. Man, Gose is fast.

    The Dipsy

  81. Don M

    January 27, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Over/Under on Chipper Jones games missed due to injury this year

    65.5 Games

    I’ll take the over

  82. Chuck

    January 27, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    I know…it’s still over a month til the Spring Training games start…its been a looonnngg winter…

    Thanks God for this site …where “nerds” like us can shoot the sh!t about baseball on a cold January day..

    ——

    I’d almost rather have a guy that hits for average, steals bases, plays great defense,all of that…than have some .220 hitter that hits moon shots every day, but is a defensive liability.

  83. Chuck

    January 27, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Let me guess “Billy” ….your middle name is “Bob”

  84. George

    January 27, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    There are always differences of opinion regarding prospects. Thats why people like Shane Victorino or Johan Santana become rule 5 picks. I’ll go by the Phils’ scouts’ opinions. They seem to have done a pretty good job picking out the core of this team, so there’s no reason to think they flubbed up in scouting Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez.

    Golson turned out to be one of a few duds that every team drafts. The Phils caught on, and actually got a player for him, which is more than the Rangers got. Mayberry might turn out to be a dud, too, but he’s shown enough so far to not be designated for assignment. That’s a credit to the Phils’ scouts, too.

  85. NEPA

    January 27, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Is Mayberry being counted on at all in the future?He seems to be lost on the radar screen this year.
    Last year everybody loved him.
    Whats the story?

  86. NJ

    January 27, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    I’d hope (looking at a realistic picture) that Mayberry is the starting right-fielder in ’11 rather than being forced to go to the market.

  87. Don M

    January 27, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Mayberry is really good at hitting fastballs …. so look for him to hit a couple HR’s early in Spring Training again …..and then once pitchers start mixing-in all their pitches, he’ll start striking out

  88. NJ

    January 27, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Picking up on something said earlier about the Mets they’ve screwed themselves, I hear rumblings they might move Pagan. They have to play Francour because their not moving Beltran to right, they can’t play Bay in right so what are they going to do… Put Matthews Jnr’s arm in RF…?

  89. Chuck

    January 27, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    I doubt John Mayberry Jr is the starting right-fielder in 2011…unless he figures out how to hit a breaking ball..

    If he started living up to his original potential…then, yeah, I guess that could be a possibility…

    Until then…look for the Phillies to get someone cheap until one of the other prospects is ready..

    This is assuming that Werth isn’t here…which is pretty likely at this point.

  90. NJ

    January 27, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Is anyone else wondering why Chan Ho is on the verge of signing a minor-leauge deal? I know he left cause he wanted to start but didn’t think that meant in the minors…

  91. bfo_33

    January 27, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Power can develop, but average happens pretty quickly in the majors. If you can’t pick up a breaking ball, you’re outed pretty quickly, and it’s not something that really can be learned (you either have the eye or don’t). While some guys grow into power (even pre PEDs – Schmidt started out in the minors as a switch hitting slap hitter),you don’t see many who come up with a 220 average develop into a 320 hitter. Mayberry is an AAA+ player, a nice safety valve for a week or so, defensive replacement, but not a regular big leaguer. Pitchers with good breaking balls don’t stay in the minors long, so that weakness often isn’t identified until call-up time.

  92. psujoe

    January 27, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    I’d take Francisco in RF over Mayberry, JR, but I hope it’s brown.

  93. Chuck

    January 27, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Chan Ho Park “shot himself in the foot.”..

    Had he correctly identified that he’s a more effective reliever…than a starter (which he still thinks he can do)…then he would have had more job offers earlier on

    He may have even been brought back by the Phillies..

    Now he’s staring at whatever he can get.

  94. psujoe

    January 27, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    offer Park 1 mil to be a reliever.

  95. Don M

    January 27, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    For what its worth… I like Mayberry as a 5th OF …

    Some power from the Right-side.. he can hit a mistake.. and he’s better than a lot of other options for an injury replacement etc..

    But I dont think he’ll ever be a full-time starter here

  96. Chuck

    January 27, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    I would imagine that Ross Gload will be the 5th OF on the 25-man roster..???

    Yeah, Mayberry would be called up to replace someone on the DL.

  97. NEPA

    January 27, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Wouldnt it be smart to bring back Chan Ho now ? If he can be had for less than we were willing to pay before?
    He is still the guy we wanted for the middle,an extra live arm cant hurt..

  98. NEPA

    January 27, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    So I guess the consensus is ….Mayberry isnt a future answer for Werth or Ibanez repalcement in a year or two..
    Boy he looked good last year for about a week.

  99. mikemike

    January 27, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Never heard of fanhouse . go to baseball america, for player evaultion. Aumont is not a top prospect because he has a hip condition, which he is downplaying but limited his innings, Gose also throws a 97 miles a hour fastball, but doesnt want to pitch unless he gets his shot at regular position. gillies has speed but so does a lot of toolsy outfielders, he hit in a hitter league, and a lot of his hits were infield hits, which scouts said when he moves up to double aa he wont get, ramirez is a arm who showed nothing, you can build these guys up all you want, but they werent top prospects going into this year, at one time aumont was, but now he is a suspect prospect.

  100. Chuck

    January 27, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    I think it was mentioned earlier, mikemike, that it will be interesting to see what Baseball America has to say.

    It’s good to get ratings from different places…to compare….and evaluate for yourself.

    I really want to give these kids a chance…before I start complaining about the trade…

    So far Ruben has done a good job.

  101. Smokey

    February 1, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    deebo with all due respect sir, that could have been the least intelligent post i’ve seen on this website to date. howard had an outstanding 2009…he trimmed down, improved his defense, struck out less often, stole a few more bases, raised his batting average. this man is the most powerful hitter in professional baseball and has become one of the best clutch hitters in the game recently and you suggest replacing him with jack cust? jack freaking cust? watch what happens if we do end up losing “the big piece”…maybe then you will understand what ryan brings to this team

  102. Smokey

    February 1, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    AND i didn’t even think to mention his infamous super-hot streaks that he goes on from time to time. this guy turns it on and he doesn’t just help the team win, he puts 24 other men and uncle charlie on his back and carries them to victory.

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