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The Value of Jayson Werth

Note: Not that any of you would call me on this, but this is an article I originally published to my old blog, The Phrontiersman, about a month ago. Some of the wording has been updated to match the signings of the past week or so.

It would probably be fair to classify the 2010 season as the beginning of a transitional period in the history of the Phillies.
One piece has already been addressed, with Ruben Amaro having traded for and signed a legitimately elite starter for the next four seasons. Another, slightly less important cog has been WD-40ed, with Placido Polanco replacing Pedro Feliz for the next three seasons. What looms in the future are more pivotal decisions that, if correctly addressed, will keep the Phillies among the National League’s elite teams for years to come.
The first such decision involves Jayson Werth’s future in South Philly. Werth, who will turn 31 in May, had a career year in 2009. Career highs in home runs, RBI, hits, doubles, walks and OPS+ shoved him through the veil of unknown and underrated players into the spotlight (that powerful playoff run he had sure didn’t hurt, either).
But Werth is no lock to continue improving. Wrist and durability issues limited his playing time in Los Angeles and Toronto, and actually cost him his entire 2006; his age 27 season. The Phillies picked him up on a light and airy $850k contract, and Werth has been paying dividends ever since.
Financially, Werth has been a tremendous bargain. Not including undisclosed performance bonuses, Werth has earned $4.55M in three seasons in Philadelphia and is set to make $7M in 2010, nearly doubling his previous earnings.
Think about what that four-and-a-half million has given the Phillies:
A .276/.376/.494 slash line
68 home runs
128 extra-base hits
47 stolen bases in just 52 attempts
Excellent RF defense in 2007 and 2008, albeit with a significant drop in 2009
Clearly, the man has outperformed the money he has been paid, and I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. The conundrum facing the Phillies front office lies in whether they believe Werth is valuable enough to retain at a more premium price. Michael Taylor is no longer waiting in the wings. Domonic Brown is at least another full season away. No other outfield prospect worth getting too excited about is even all that close to the Majors.
After the expiration of his current contract following this season, Werth will find himself amid a crop of outfield free agents highlighted by Carl Crawford and Not Really Anybody Else. He will be considered (at worst) the second-best outfielder out there, and will get quite a bit of money.
The question, then, is this: with Werth’s durability issues as close to the front of your mind as his performance in 2008 and 2009, do you find room in the payroll to give him an extension? Red flags about future costs have already been raised with the necessity to dump Cliff Lee during this offseason. Can a significant raise for Werth be afforded? On the flip side, are Werth’s health problems behind him for good? Can he be relied on to play 145+ games for every season of a new contract?
This is what’s set to happen to the payroll following the 2010 season, with Carlos Ruiz left as the only arbitration-eligible player remaining:
Ryan Howard will get a $1M raise, from $19M to $20M
Roy Halladay will get a $4.25M raise, from $15.75M to $20M; though, really, this is more of a $10.25M raise
Cole Hamels will get a $3.25M raise, from $6.65M to $9.5M
Joe Blanton will get a $1.5M raise, from $7M to $8.5M
Shane Victorino may be due a raise, depending on details of his new contract that have yet to be published
Placido Polanco will get a $250k raise, from $5.167M to $5.417M
Brian Schneider will get a $500k raise, from $1.125M to $1.625M
Ross Gload will get a $600K raise, from $1M to $1.6M
So that accounts for about $11.35M in raises (or $15.25M, depending on how you view the Halladay situation), not including bonuses. Also not included is the looming potential arbitration eligibility for pitcher Kyle Kendrick and outfielder Ben Francisco. J.A. Happ has an outside chance at eligibility, but will likely fall about 80 days of service time short of qualifying as a Super Two player with a fourth year of arbitration. As for money coming off the books, this is what’s set to go down in terms of 2010 salary:
Werth will be a free agent after making $7M plus bonuses
Jamie Moyer will be a free agent after making $6.5M plus a couple more million in bonuses
J.C. Romero has a 2011 club option for $4.5M with a $250k buyout
Chad Durbin will be a free agent following his final arbitration year after making
First, let’s see what kind of money Werth can expect to make, or at least demand. His average production over the past two seasons yields a line of .270/.369/.503, with 30 homers.
Werth has put up numbers similar to new Met Jason Bay’s over the past couple of seasons, but is arguably more valuable for his (typically) plus defense in a more demanding outfield position.
Considering Werth will turn 32 in May of his first season with a new club, it’s not unreasonable to expect a three- or four-year deal for him, with an average annual value in the $13-16M range. Considering Werth isn’t represented by Scott Boras, it’s plausible to think he won’t be getting Matt Holliday money; good news for the Phils, as not only is that too much for Werth, they would have no chance to afford it. A lot of this hinges on a healthy, productive 2010 campaign.
Knowing the current constitution of the Phillies, as well as their prospect situation, is it prudent to extend Werth? Can the Phillies afford him? What sort of deal do you foresee for the slugger? Let’s hear what you think.

It would probably be fair to classify the 2010 season as the beginning of a transitional period in the history of the Phillies.

One piece has already been addressed, with Ruben Amaro having traded for and signed a legitimately elite starter for the next four seasons. Another, slightly less important cog has been WD-40ed, with Placido Polanco replacing Pedro Feliz for the next three seasons. What looms in the future are more pivotal decisions that, if correctly addressed, will keep the Phillies among the National League’s elite teams for years to come.

The first such decision involves Jayson Werth’s future in South Philly. Werth, who will turn 31 in May, had a career year in 2009. Career highs in home runs, RBI, hits, doubles, walks and OPS+ shoved him through the veil of unknown and underrated players into the spotlight (that powerful playoff run he had sure didn’t hurt, either).

But Werth is no lock to continue improving. Wrist and durability issues limited his playing time in Los Angeles and Toronto, and actually cost him his entire 2006; his age 27 season. The Phillies picked him up on a light and airy $850k contract, and Werth has been paying dividends ever since.

Financially, Werth has been a tremendous bargain. Not including undisclosed performance bonuses, Werth has earned $4.55M in three seasons in Philadelphia and is set to make $7M in 2010, nearly doubling his previous earnings.

Think about what that four-and-a-half million has given the Phillies:

  • A .276/.376/.494 slash line

  • 68 home runs

  • 128 extra-base hits

  • 47 stolen bases in just 52 attempts

  • Excellent RF defense in 2007 and 2008, albeit with a significant drop in 2009

Clearly, the man has outperformed the money he has been paid, and I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. The conundrum facing the Phillies front office lies in whether they believe Werth is valuable enough to retain at a more premium price. Michael Taylor is no longer waiting in the wings. Domonic Brown is at least another full season away. No other outfield prospect worth getting too excited about is even all that close to the Majors.

After the expiration of his current contract following this season, Werth will find himself amid a crop of outfield free agents highlighted by Carl Crawford and Not Really Anybody Else. He will be considered (at worst) the second-best outfielder out there, and will get quite a bit of money.

The question, then, is this: with Werth’s durability issues as close to the front of your mind as his performance in 2008 and 2009, do you find room in the payroll to give him an extension? Red flags about future costs have already been raised with the necessity to dump Cliff Lee during this offseason. Can a significant raise for Werth be afforded? On the flip side, are Werth’s health problems behind him for good? Can he be relied on to play 145+ games for every season of a new contract?

This is what’s set to happen to the payroll following the 2010 season, with Carlos Ruiz left as the only arbitration-eligible player remaining:

  • Ryan Howard will get a $1M raise, from $19M to $20M

  • Roy Halladay will get a $4.25M raise, from $15.75M to $20M; though, really, this is more of a $10.25M raise

  • Cole Hamels will get a $3.25M raise, from $6.65M to $9.5M

  • Joe Blanton will get a $1.5M raise, from $7M to $8.5M

  • Shane Victorino may be due a raise, depending on details of his new contract that have yet to be published

  • Placido Polanco will get a $250k raise, from $5.167M to $5.417M

  • Brian Schneider will get a $500k raise, from $1.125M to $1.625M

  • Ross Gload will get a $600K raise, from $1M to $1.6M

So that accounts for about $11.35M in raises (or $15.25M, depending on how you view the Halladay situation), not including bonuses. Also not included is the looming potential arbitration eligibility for pitcher Kyle Kendrick and outfielder Ben Francisco. J.A. Happ has an outside chance at eligibility, but will likely fall about 80 days of service time short of qualifying as a Super Two player with a fourth year of arbitration. As for money coming off the books, this is what’s set to go down in terms of 2010 salary:

  • Werth will be a free agent after making $7M plus bonuses

  • Jamie Moyer will be a free agent after making $6.5M plus a couple more million in bonuses

  • J.C. Romero has a 2011 club option for $4.5M with a $250k buyout

  • Chad Durbin will be a free agent following his final arbitration year

First, let’s see what kind of money Werth can expect to make, or at least demand. His average production over the past two seasons yields a line of .270/.369/.503, with 30 homers.

Werth has put up numbers similar to new Met Jason Bay’s over the past couple of seasons, but is arguably more valuable for his (typically) plus defense in a more demanding outfield position.

Considering Werth will turn 32 in May of his first season with a new club, it’s not unreasonable to expect a three- or four-year deal for him, with an average annual value in the $13-16M range. Considering Werth isn’t represented by Scott Boras, it’s plausible to think he won’t be getting Matt Holliday money; good news for the Phils, as not only is that too much for Werth, they would have no chance to afford it. A lot of this hinges on a healthy, productive 2010 campaign.

Knowing the current constitution of the Phillies, as well as their prospect situation, is it prudent to extend Werth? Can the Phillies afford him? What sort of deal do you foresee for the slugger? Let’s hear what you think.

46 Comments

46 Comments

  1. TODDFROMFAIRMOUNT

    January 22, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    I love J Dub, be he can’t be extended. He deserves to make a lot of cash somewhere. Thanks for the run and here is to a great 2010.

  2. rjb360

    January 22, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Not only is Werth the ONLY right-handed protection on our MLB team or farm system, but he is also the most patient hitter in a lineup stocked with free swingers. He saw more pitches per plate appearance last year than any other player in baseball. The Phillies were still only 10th overall in P/PA. Without his patience any decent picture that gets on a roll is going to mow through this lineup. While his newfound power is nice, its not necessary for our lineup. His patience, OBP, and speed are.

  3. rjb360

    January 22, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    that should read pitcher, clearly

  4. Chuck

    January 22, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    On the other thread …earlier… it was suggested that a petition of sorts be started to retain Werth’s services..

    Maybe this article is the start of that..

    Somehow…we need to get it into Ruben’s head that signing Werth to an extension is in the team’s best interests.

    All the reasons are there…they’ve been exhaustively talked about..and now this article just emphasizes the point..

  5. Ned

    January 22, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    you are wrong paul. i remembered this post. i would and will call you on it.

  6. Havoc

    January 22, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    I think it all depends for me. It’s not that I don’t want him on the team, but if I have to choose between either Werth or an extension with Howard, I want Howard. The kind of production he’s consistently put up for the team can’t be replaced.

    However, I don’t think it’s entirely out of the realm of possibility to extend both, although it might require the Phils to expand the payroll a bit. If Ibanez has another good year preferably on a consistent basis through the season it shouldn’t be too hard to find another team willing to take him on as a DH next offseason. The Phils may have to cover some of the contract, but it would also provide the chance to restock the farm with some talent. It’s possible that Dominic Brown will be close enough to the majors that we can roll the dice with him or seek out a one year contract for a LF. Shedding Ibanez’s contract would probably provide enough room to pay Werth what he deserves for 2011, however it would keep the Phils in a somewhat precarious position unless payroll continues to expand.

    Good news is that the payroll has expanded each of the last 4 years so it’s possible.

  7. psujoe

    January 22, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Coles raise is actually 2.85 and Rolins gat an extra mil.

    3/42 with a 4th year option of 14 mil and a 2 million buyout. Trade Ibanez for propsects to free up 11.5 and let Romero go for another 4. That plus Moyers 6.5 just about covers the raises, Brown and Werth’s increase.

  8. Phylan

    January 22, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Havoc, I’d rather extend Werth than Howard. They’re the same age, are both good for 5ish WARs, and Werth’s skills age better than Howard’s.

  9. Phylan

    January 22, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Howard, of course, is already under contract until through 2011, so you’re saying you want to extend him past that?

  10. ChuckS

    January 22, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Werth over Howard? Seriously?

  11. Chuck

    January 22, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    $14 Mil seems very generous to me….I would think he might bite at that…but could balk at the 4th year not being guaranteed…

    But what do I know..??

  12. Don M

    January 22, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    I think that Werth will be over 40 HRs this year ….and if hit 4th in this lineup, he would push 120-130 RBIs too

    Howard is a great player,

    but say Howard at $25 M
    or
    Werth at $15 M

    who is better value?
    I would probably lean towards Werth..

  13. MikeB.

    January 22, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    I think that J.C. Romero is going to be back big- time this coming season and is going to have an outstanding year out of the pen. Might be hard to let this guy go to free up money.

  14. Chuck

    January 22, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    Werth over Howard…definitely a much better value….even with Werth at 15mil and Howard at 20mil..(but we all know it will be closer to 25 than 20)

  15. Paul Boye

    January 22, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    Werth is definitely the more valuable keep over Howard. Plus defense at a tougher position, in addition to better plate discipline and anywhere from $5-10M cheaper per season is worth the loss of a 5-10 homers’ difference from a first baseman.

  16. The Dipsy

    January 22, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Werth at 15m? Forget it. I would never pay him that. I say, rip up his contract and offer him 4/45or 46m. That gives him a 3m raise for this year that he can bank right away that he can feel good about. I like Werth. He kills lefties.

    The Dipsy

  17. Don M

    January 22, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    I heard somewhere that Werth could land 5+ years at more than $15 Million

    So a more realistic offer (not that 4 years/$45 M would be bad)

    but more like 5 years, $60 Million ……and there are teams out there willing to give more . . .

    Next year’s Free Agent crop is between Carl Crawford, and Jayson Werth ….

    If you are the RedSox, you’ve already got Jacoby Ellsbury stealing bags and playing great defense … I think you would probably target Werth over Crawford??

    And the RedSox would have no problems going 5 years, $85 Million if Jayson puts up another season like last year …

    It gets really interesting when your team is suddenly the cream of the crop.. and your young players are now experience veterans who want to get paid .. One more year of “THIS CORE GROUP” and then they start being replaced..

    Werth vs. Howard will be a great arguement as the year goes on.. especially because Werth will probably be hitting 5th for the majority of the season.. unlike last year where Ibanez was slotted there early
    and
    Expect a huge season from Werth..

  18. Ed 2

    January 22, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    The payroll is about to get a little crazy. Do we realize how much is going out over the next 2-3 years? Its already at over $130 mil for 2011 WITHOUT Werth. The only way he gets extended is if he takes a big discount in 2011 only to take the excess Raul Ibanez money in 2012 and beyond. This also adds to the delay of Dominic Brown.

    Ideally, we trade Raul in the next offseason for something (we will probably have to throw in cash), extend Werth with the 1 year discount, and promote Brown. That’s a lot of wishful thinking.

  19. Keystone

    January 22, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    I really like Werth but I think the ages of our everyday players should be taken into consideration. Lets take the 2012 season as that is when most of our players hit the free agent market, and I’m sure this extension talk will be brought up for a lot of those players as well, if it hasn’t already.
    The “core players” of this team will all be in their thirties.
    Ryan Howard- 2012 age(32)
    Chase Utley- 2012 age(33)
    Jimmy Rollins- 2012 age(33)
    Placido Polanco- 2012 age(37)
    Shane Victorino- 2012 age(31)
    Raul Ibanez- 2012 age(40)*will definitely not be here then
    Jayson Werth- 2012 age(33)
    Carlos Ruiz- 2012 age(33)

    I bring this up because I hear the talk of extending all the players but at some point they have to bring along the younger talent. If they extend all the everyday players and Dom Brown takes over for Ibanez then he will be the lone everyday player in his twenties.

  20. Chuck

    January 22, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    If the Red Sox offer $85 million …and the Phillies $60 mil….I think it’s pretty much a no-brainer what Werth would do.

    This will be his ONE BIG CONTRACT…the deal of his lifetime…and $25 million is a lot of money to leave on the table…

    And it’s not like Werth would be leaving a winner…to play for the Nationals….the Red Sox are committed to winning and will do pretty much what it takes to be competitive..

  21. Chuck

    January 22, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    The fact that Ruben brought up Werth…. not a reporter…. at Vic’s press conference….tells me that he’s pretty much figured that he won’t be able to resign Werth.

    He said “There will be some difficult decisions down the road.” (well…we all know that!)

  22. Phylan

    January 22, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Don M, Ellsbury is actually a pretty poor defender, by the numbers.

  23. mikemike

    January 22, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Werth if he has a good year like last. will start at 16 a year. remember if you look at Holiday he had 20 more hits in same amount of at bats but less power, no defense like Werth, Werth is really coming into his own, but we cant pay him and Howard, I rather have Howard and lose Werth, Howard can carry a team Werth as of yet hasnt shown that ability.Just my opinion. But if anyone thinks he is under 15 million a year, i really believe you are out of touch with salaries.

  24. The Dipsy

    January 22, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    mikemike – He’s a great 1 1/2 seasons, that 31-year old Jason Werth. Not getting 5y/75m.

    The Dipsy

  25. Chuck

    January 22, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    I’m telling you…let’s start the MOVEMENT….to RE-SIGN JAYSON WERTH…

    4 years….52-56 million…with an option for year 5..

    Think he does that? (mikemike obviously doesn’t)

  26. Ed R.

    January 22, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    I agree with you Chuck…Amaro sounded very much resounded to the fact that Werth will not be back after next year.

  27. Bobby

    January 22, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    Just like Blanton and Victorino said, baseball players want to win and they want to stay in Philadelphia. Why would Werth’s case be any different? It wouldn’t be crazy for him to take less money, Halladay did. People seem to think Bay got a bargain, but he gets to g o from the Red Sox to the Mets. It’s not even like there was bidding war on Bay and Holliday, the Cardinals and Mets bid against themselves.

  28. Keystone

    January 22, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    People have said this already, but it bears repeating. Jayson Werth has a world series ring and Halladay does not, and teams such as the Red Sox who may bid on Werth as a free agent are contenders as well. So there is no comparison between Halladay’s so called discount to play here and what Werth might do.

  29. Garret

    January 22, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    My concern with Werth is that I see him as a lazy player. There are many times where he will take a break throughout the season. I’ve watched numerous games where he barely moves in the outfield unless the ball is hit in his direction. He literally killed the grass in right field, and he is always the last player to walk into the dugout from the field. I know this sounds like a little league concern, but I can easily see him as a player who signs a multi-year deal then has a couple bad years because he is financially set. We’ve all heard the term “contract year” and heard of players who play very well hoping to earn that big contract. How many Yankee players sign a monster contract, then have sub-par years? A lot of them!
    I think this was a huge part of Cole Hamels’s problems this year. He didn’t have to prove anything to the organization. He’ll wait until 2011, when he is in a contract year.

  30. Phylan

    January 22, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Garret, I think that’s a difficult judgement to make. Obviously we all watch the games and get certain impressions about certain players; I’m sure there are many you could ask 50 different fans about and get all sorts of different reviews for. But at the end of the day, Jayson Werth is an excellent defender – 16.5 runs above average per 150 games in his career (see: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1327&position=OF#fielding) so we need to check our perceptions against things like that. If you or I saw a play or two where he wasn’t busting his ass as much as he should have (and personally I did not), does it really matter given his production, when it’s all said and done?

  31. Corey Seidman

    January 23, 2010 at 2:22 am

    Some thinks are quanitifiable, others are not. Some opinions can be based solely upon stats, some cannot.

    There is absolutely no metric or argument that could convince me that Jayson Werth is a higher priority, or more important than Ryan Howard.

    I know that isn’t the issue at hand, but this in response to those in this thread who’ve suggested that extending Werth is more important than keeping Howard around.

    I’m one of the biggest stat guys you’ll ever meet. But even I can’t defend a claim like that solely by looking at the positional differences of first base and right field and the factor of speed. Ryan Howard is a whole ‘nother animal.

  32. therookie300

    January 23, 2010 at 2:33 am

    I really like Werth a lot on this team. He plays the game hard, connects with the fans, and is the big right handed bat in the lineup. But if I had to chose between Howard and Werth. I would take Howard every time. Howard has carried this team when it really mattered. Howard is still the bat that opposing pitchers will fear. Howard also didn’t rest when he got paid in his latest contract, not saying Werth won’t do that, but Howard went out and lost some weight and improved his D ten fold. That’s commitment my friends. I’m a huge fan of Werth, but if I had to chose it would be the Big Man.

  33. ChuckS

    January 23, 2010 at 5:09 am

    I think Jayson won’t be hard to sign at a lower price. I’m sure he has made enough money as WWE’s Edge and the drummer from the free credit reports dot com commericials by now to stay in Philly.

  34. Jeff Dowder

    January 23, 2010 at 6:02 am

    Ryan Howard ($20M), Brad Lidge ($13M), Raul Ibanez ($10M), Jimmy Rollins ($8.5M), and Ryan Madson ($4M) are all off the books after 2011. That’s over $55 million. Ibanez and some combination of those other players will not be back in 2012 – maybe even the entire group. Would it surprise anyone if Howard is the DH for the Yankees or Red Sox in 2012? So would signing Werth to a long term deal and going “over budget” in 2011 really be devastating with so much money coming off the books the following season? It’s hard to believe that it would be.

  35. Just Crushed

    January 23, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Since we only have him for one year, trade him now to Seattle or Toronto for three worthless minor leaguers.

  36. Chuck

    January 23, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Just Crushed…

    How about we trade YOU to Seattle for three worthless bloggers.

    Dumba$$.

  37. Chuck

    January 23, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Jeff Dowder…

    Rollins is probably to only “lock” to come back from that group you mentioned…he…along with Utley….are probably the two players that will be with the Phillies for their entire career…maybe?

    If they give Werth a back-loaded contract…it might be doable??

    I’m sure they’ve run through many, many scenarios…Ruben and Co….and I trust that they will make the right decision (s)..

  38. Michael Baumann

    January 23, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Right, I saw this go up and my first inclination was to tell you to quit recycling.

  39. Gavin

    January 23, 2010 at 11:26 am

    I think Ed nailed it.

    After this year, the Phils have to trade Raul to an AL team where he can play DH. They may have to eat some contract, but I bet not much if its just a dump. Resign Werth and bring up Brown.

    Brown will play in 2011. This is the only guy in the entire system that RAJ didnt trade for Lee or Doc. That says something IMO.

    RAJ isnt dumb enough to keep a 40 year old LH/DH and let go of Werth.

  40. Paul Boye

    January 23, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Well obviously you’d call me on it, Baumann, but it’s topical again!

  41. Chuck

    January 23, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    This is all dependent on whether Brown is ready or not.

  42. WFC010

    January 23, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    I have been saying for AGES that extending Werth should have been one of Amaro’s top priorities…but instead he extends Victorino FIRST? *scratches head*

    So what do you suppose is going to happen with our centerfielder prospects in the minors now?

    More importantly, what is going to happen to Jayson Werth?

    As great as Victorino is, we have a few good Centerfielder prospects in the minors, but NOBODY to fill Werth’s role on the top. Sure the CF prospects may not be quite as good as Victorino, but as long as they are competent you still have somebody who can fill the role decently. Werth on the other hand has NOBODY who can really fill his role.

  43. jrollpatrol08

    January 23, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    yea dipsy–i agree–i would not give werth 15 per year. Maybe, maybe if he puts up another healthy, 30 hr 100 rbi season. i would not do it right now, when he is only a couple months away from the best season of his career. bay and holliday had to prove themselves more than 1 season before they landed anything near 15 mil.

    ok werth’s injury history??…eh doesnt really cross my mind. maybe it should, but his positive attributes definitely outweigh the possibility of reinjuring his wrist. his plate discipline and plate coverage are amazing, and definitely a great compliment to the rest of the phils sluggers. i mean look, i would definitely take the big man ryan howard over werth. if i had 25 mil per year to spend on 1 guy in the majors, i would probably pick albert pujols. if i coulnt have him, i would take ryan howard second. no question in my mind…i like the victornio deal because it definitely leaves more money on the table for a possible howard extension.

    seriously the only way i want/think the phils resign werth is if he gives them a GREAT discount…3yr 30 mil range….honestly, even if the market sucks next offseason for outfielders, i think its a little early to come out and say jayson werth is worth 15mil per season in a multiyear deal. he has had one breakout season

  44. jrollpatrol08

    January 23, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    don–ur on drugs if you think werth is gonna land an 85million dollar contract

  45. Ed 2

    January 23, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    By the way, a friend at WWE tells me that Edge is constantly congratulated for his World Series Ring and either cheered or jeered for his daily performance at the plate…he hates it.

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