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Moyer is the Phillies 5th Starter

Some breaking news coming down the Twitter line, via all the Phillies beat guys – Jamie Moyer has officially been named the 5th starter in the rotation by Charlie Manuel.

Kyle Kendrick, who started today against Houston and pitched just two frames, will head to the bullpen.  Both men have pitched very well throughout this spring, but the 47-year-old Moyer will get the nod as the season begins in less than one week.

It’s likely at some point we will see Kendrick on the hill to start a game, however, the Phillies feel Moyer and his albatross of a contract deserve one more shot in 2010.  Thoughts??



  1. Ed R.

    March 30, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    No post about Werthy shaving the Jesus Beard?

  2. JeffS

    March 30, 2010 at 3:31 pm


    (1) In a fair fight based just on ST, KK won that job, but

    (2) KK will get a chance to start, just based on the improbability/ impossibility of a starting rotation not having any setbacks or injuries for a season, and

    (3) Putting KK in the bullpen is not a bad idea because a lot of the bullpen is, right now, at best a question mark, and at worst a little scary.

  3. Steve-o

    March 30, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Can’t say it’s surprising. He’s pitched better than expected during Spring Training, and with his contract, they need to make every attempt they can to get something productive out of him. Kendrick is easily more adaptable in terms of his role on the team than Moyer is. I agree though that we’ll see Kendrick start his fair share of games this season. Having 6 capable starting pitchers is NEVER a bad thing.

  4. JeffS

    March 30, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    “No post about Werthy shaving the Jesus Beard?”

    Think of how much faster he’ll be without all of that wind resistance! 🙂

  5. bfo_33

    March 30, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    I may be naive, but I believe the contract played a minor part, if any. It was Moyer’s job to lose out of respect for a pro who gives it everything he has every time out. KK pitched better, but Moyer didn’t embarass himself. In addition, KK is more useful out of the pen than Moyer (who needs an inning notice to warm up). The best thing for the Phils is for Moyer to be Moyer (3 runs in 6 or 7 innings), KK ready to step in when someone needs a break. I forget the exact numbers, but I think only 3 teams had 4 pitchers start more than 20 games. A sixth starter will be needed at some point. I feel pretty good about KK in the pen pitching to major league hitters, making spot starts, getting ready to be in the regular rotation next year.

  6. Eric The Archer

    March 30, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    I think if Moyer looked horrible during the spring, The job would be Kendrick’s. I think for right now, Kendrick is the better option coming out of the bullpen. You can always put KK back in the rotation if or more than likely when Moyer fizzles out or gets hurt. Besides, Contreras looks horrible right now and the pen could use another arm.

  7. Manny

    March 30, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Looking forward to the April 16th game… Papa Moyer vs the Fish!!

  8. Bruce

    March 30, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    If the reports are true ( I have not read anything “official” from the team), then congratulations to Jamie. He deserves to be in rotation based on his hard work in recovering from post season surgeries and a very effective Spring training performance (especially his 6.2 shutout innings against the Yankees in his last time out). By the way, mr. Gallen showed his bias for Kendrick with the remark that the Phillies chose Moyer because of..”his albatross of a contract.” 😉

  9. Don M

    March 30, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Its not about the $8 M . . . . its about the fact that Moyer’s track record (even the past 2-3 seasons) is better than Kendrick’s

    so they’ll give Moyer a few starts and then they’ll see whats going on

    Kendrick should still get a spot on the roster… and he gets the first chance to win a Starter’s job . . .

    As much as we’re all pulling for Kendrick.. we should all support Moyer still too!

  10. John

    March 30, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Moyer earned his spot. Having KK and even Contreras as insurance starters puts the Phils among the top handful of teams pitching wise. The rotation hasn’t gotten a lot of attention this spring, but I feel like our top 4 are on par with any other team in the bigs. If Happ puts up numbers similar to Blanton’s typical season, we’re in good shape.

  11. George

    March 30, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Definitely the right move for the moment. Kendrick is a better bullpen option than Moyer.

    I just hope Bastardo pitches better in the regular season than he has in ST, or that a lefty can be added if he doesn’t. There is a worry about budget, though. So far it looks like signing Contreras was a big waste of money, and there’s probably not much left in the till.

  12. JeffS

    March 30, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    “we should all support Moyer still too!”

    I hope he kicks butt – it is a great story, and maybe after this contract he retires and can consult or coach other pitchers in the system. Although I think is home is still up in Seattle, so I wonder if he is thinking in that direction at all…

    If/when KK gets to start, I hope this season for him looks anything like Happ’s last season. I’d take that in a heartbeat.

  13. JeffS

    March 30, 2010 at 4:19 pm


    not sure I’d put Contreras and “insurance” in the same sentence right now. His ST line looks like he’s pitching batting practice. Hope he’s the type who can turn it on when the season starts.

  14. WFC010

    March 30, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    I think that Moyer being given the nod is a combination of respect for a hometown guy and veteran player, the fact that he has a better track record than Kendrick, and possibly the contract a little bit as well…but probably not as much as some people would like to think.

  15. Burrgundy

    March 30, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Personally, and I may be crazy, but I feel the Phils will get their money’s worth out of Moyer in 2010. He will win near 12 games and be an asset to this team. I am repleat with optimism.

  16. Pat Gallen

    March 30, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    $8m for a 47 year old pitcher is an albatross. No 2 ways about that. Now that said, I want to see the best player out there, so if Charlie and Dubee think it’s Moyer, so be it I can live with it.

  17. Burrgundy

    March 30, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    If Moyer wins 12 games and pitches 175 plus innings, with this being the last year on his contract, is that still an albatross? Forget about the age. He probably helps some of the younger guys. You may be right, but this guy has come back from the dead so many times he can be called “Mummy” Moyer.

  18. Nunzio Scholeri

    March 30, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Hells yes. Congratulations, Jamie. Get out there and show all these fickle naysayers that you’ve still got it.

    Focus on the results, people. Don’t say “$8m for a 47 year old pitcher is an albatross.” Say “$8m for a pitcher who has proven he can be counted on for at least a dozen wins even in an off year isn’t the best deal ever, but it ain’t half bad.”

    We all know things will change during the season, and of course Kyle will end up starting at some point for some reason, but Jamie has worked so hard and proven so much about himself, to still be pitching as well as he is at his age, that I want to see him go as far as he can.

  19. Pat Gallen

    March 30, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Jamie has worked hard and I love his ethic and the way he helps the younger guys, but that contract is part of the reason why he is starting.

  20. Mike N

    March 30, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    I think one thing that’s being overlooked by some folks is that KK might be really important to the bullpen early in the season. He’ll give us much more help in the pen than Jamie would, because KK can pitch back-to-back days and so on.

  21. Havoc

    March 30, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Not really suprising and I think it’s probably the right call. There’s a chance however unlikely that we’ll get the Jamie Moyer we had in 08. I think that’s worth letting him start the seaon in the rotation, especially if we’ve got Kendrick ready to pull a Happ for us.

    Can’t wait for the season to start checked the weather today for April 5th, high of 73, partly cloudy, that sounds perfect to me. Can’t wait to invade Nationals stadium with the rest of the nation.

  22. Brian Michael

    March 30, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    KK got rocked by the Astros…the same team Moyer will be making his first start against…

  23. Manny

    March 30, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    It was Contreras the one who got rocked…

    Kendrick, who was battling with Jamie Moyer for the fifth spot in the starting rotation, threw only two innings as the club pulled him back in preparation for a bullpen role. He gave up two hits and one run. Antonio Bastardo gave up one hit in two-thirds of an inning, and Jose Contreras was rocked for three hits, three runs and two walks in two-thirds of an inning.

  24. Manny

    March 30, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    And Herndon pitched 2 1/3 innings… finally gave up a run, but also struck out FOUR!

  25. PhxPhilly

    March 30, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Moyer has lead a playoff team in wins in each of the last 3 years! Yeah, wins are a ‘luck’ stat but you kinda need them to get into the playoffs.
    I agree with the bad contract (2 years with easy escalators when they could have just arbitrated him was foolish). Without it, I doubt he would be on the Phillies this year (and likely would have retired).
    My guess is he is an average 5th starter going about 5 innings with 3 runs with a good game every so often and a some very short stints. But no one should be questioning his desire and that may be important in the clubhouse for a team that could try to coast into the playoff again.

  26. The Second John

    March 30, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Doesn’t Jamie Moyer have an ERA under 1.00 in Spring training? I think this is the best move because Kendrick gives the BP some stability. He’s like a cheaper and better version of Contreres, so that gives Chollie some flexibility. Maybe hell return close to his 08 form?

  27. David

    March 30, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    Do you realize that Moyer is older than most of the guys from the 1993 team?

    Have to say thought that Moyer has been a key player in the Phils success the last 3 years.

  28. The Second John

    March 30, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    I wonder what Geoff is doing

  29. Jeff

    March 30, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Horrible move. Kyle won the job. Moyers contract is a waste. After a few games of him giving up 6 runs before the 5th inning he will be pulled. He is a has been pitcher. Average in his time. Kyle should start. Phillies will be in the world series again and will FALL to the yankees. They are the greatest team in the world. The greatest pitching staff in the world. Now they get javier who could be a number two on our team. PLEASE CHILD.

  30. The Dipsy

    March 30, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    I’m glad Jamie has pitched well this spring. Because of his galling contract, the job was his from the git, provided he could physically walk out to the mound. Its nice to see that Ruben didn’t have to put Charlie in the awkward position of throwing Jamie out there after a bad spring and having to make up some crap about why Kendrick wasn’t pitching. Sticky situation avoided.

    The Dipsy

  31. WFC010

    March 30, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Jeff, don’t you have some Yankees blog you can hang around at?

    If not, please go find one and leave us alone.

  32. Shark

    March 30, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    If Moyer got only the one year dea,l the Phils wanted to give him, after the 2008 season, then Cliff Lee is still a Phillie.

  33. WFC010

    March 30, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    And if Cliff Lee was still with the Phillies? He’d be wasted money due to injury and ineffectiveness. He’s off to a great start this year with Seattle!

  34. The Second John

    March 30, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Jeff, do you have ANYTHING positive to say about the Phills? EVER?

  35. derekcarstairs

    March 30, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Good for Moyer. I’d like for him to win 12 games this year and ride off into the sunset with 270 career wins. Nice career.

  36. GWFightinsfan

    March 30, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    I guess Moyer deserves the shot to keep his spot. If he turns out to pitch like crap, it wouldnt surprise me to see him come down with an “injury” so that they can keep him around to mentor the younger players.

  37. christopher

    March 30, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    i think it’s the right move and i’m sure kendrick will get his chance to make some starts this season.

  38. Andrew

    March 30, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    You put that on the front and expect open debate?
    Maybe cole will sin more games than the 65 year old this year. that would be something at least.
    On a side note I am going o the thursday game in DC game 3. I get a Blanton start?

  39. Jeff of Nova

    March 30, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    The Second John, No he doesn’t cause he is a Yankees fan.

    Jeff, please go away you bring disgrace to the name. The Yankess pitching staff is the best? are you serious, I can name several others that are better and the Phillies are one that is on par with them not below but on the same level.

    Roy Halladay, best pitcher or at least heavily in the conversation.

    CC is a good pitcher, but is overworked and has not been great in the postseason,
    Pettite has had a great career but definitely on the tail end of his career,
    Burnett- waste of money, had one good game in the post season thats it.

    Hughes will blow up,

    I am calling it now

    Yankess to do not go back to the WS, mabe not win the AL East.

  40. Geoff

    March 30, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Moyer the 5th Starter?!?!?! AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH!!!!

    JUST KIDDING…With that contract and his track record of being better at the beginning of the season, don’t forget that part of it, its no surprise he gets the first chance. I doubt he will last as long as he did last year, so Kendrick will probably supplant him by June.

    Aumont needs another year to hone the skills, and JC Ramirez needs two probably. My problem with Moyer was always that they relied on him as a three or sometimes more heavily when in reality he was not that. BUT, as a 5th starter? There are plenty of worse 5th starter options out there, so its not a big deal.

    Kendrick has been a good soldier in all this, and he has really gotten a lot better, and I do feel that he will be back as the 5th guy and that he will stick in the rotation for the rest of the season when he gets his chance.

    Unless someone really tanks or gets hurt, I do not think they will trade for a starter this year at the deadline, thankfully.

  41. Geoff

    March 30, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    I got my tickets finally, give or take the handful of random games you go to that you don’t plan to go to, I will be going to less games this time, but I got way better seats.

    Behind home plate, back of the row, aisle. 6 or 7 games there plus a few random games that get tossed your way. I would take 7 games in those seats of the 25 I went to last year sitting way up high. SCORE!

  42. jeff

    March 30, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    ughh… another year of this?

  43. Terd Ferguson

    March 30, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Does anyone else think that both KK and Moyer earned a spot over hamels? Just a thought.

  44. Andrew

    March 31, 2010 at 1:55 am

    Hamels always gets a pass.
    Has anyone made the long posts abot his K per 9 or whatever state he has that is better than Jamies yet? when I point out out that Moyer has the same amount of wins as hamels the last 4 years they dont like that.
    I huess its nto abot winning games when comparing Hamels and Moyer. It is about who has a better arm and who is flashier. Ill take a winner over a flashy loser any day.

  45. Greg

    March 31, 2010 at 5:20 am

    Anyone else find it amusing that Chris Coste got claimed by the Nationals on waivers? Not even the Mets wanted him, and he’s starting in Triple-A for the Nats. Maybe, if he’s lucky, he’ll get to play with Eric Bruntlett.

  46. The Original Chuck P

    March 31, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Pat, I echo what Andrew said at 9:47… calling this situation an albatross would be ok if you were writing an op-ed piece but in this case, you’re asking for an open debate and you probably shouldn’t have mentioned your personal feelings.

    I’m ok with starting Moyer… our bullpen is thin right now and we need a strong arm in the pen. In my opinion, that arm belongs to Kyle Kendrick. I suspect that Kendrick will start many games this year but at least while Lidge/Romero are on the mend, it makes sense to have him in the bullpen.

    Moyer is at his best when he’s pitching to prove something (or pitching with a bit of a chip on his shoulder). In this case, everyone fully expects the wheels to fall off… maybe he can pull it all together for one more magical season. I wouldn’t bet on it but it could happen.

  47. Don M

    March 31, 2010 at 9:52 am

    I think that it all depends on how you say it..

    “$8 Million for a 47 year old pitcher” WTF !!!!!


    “$8 Million for a proven veteran pitcher, that helped us reach the playoffs in 2008…which let us have a chance to win the World Series” Holla!!!!

    Like many, I was in favor of Kendrick.. but Moyer (if he’s healthy).. gives hitters a look like they’ll see from no other pitcher in the game. They say “HITTING IS TIMING… PITCHING IS DISRUPTING A HITTER’S TIMING” ..

    and Moyer does that very well.. if he doesn’t do it.. you have Kendrick who has earned his shot. But surprising early-career success, then a sharp downfall in his performance, and then a pretty decent season in 2009.. doesn’t give me all this confidence in Kendrick. It’s great that he had a nice spring (so did Moyer)… but if you had one game to win, I think everyone would take their chances with the veteran.. instead of the Kid. . . . and whenever the Phillies feel otherwise, they’ll make the change to Kendrick as the #5

  48. Don M

    March 31, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Terd Ferguson …(should TURD*)

    but uhm.. huh??

    Hamels is one of the most talented pitchers in all of Major League Baseball . . . . who had a down season after carrying the City of Philadelphia on his arm, and winning us the World Series in 2008.

    He’s nasty..

  49. Geoff

    March 31, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    I am worried about Lidge, they had to give a cortisone injection today, NOT good…

  50. Chris Cadwallader

    March 31, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Lets face it – Moyer earned the nod as the 5th starter based on the comparison of spring training stats with KK.

    Lets also remember Moyer was HUGE (W=16) for the Phils in 08.
    If he can bring what he has shown in spring training into the 2010 season, we might be really happy with his 2010 contribution.

  51. Dave

    March 31, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    “I huess its nto abot winning games.”
    For judging pitchers, no. Cole was much more likely to be facing the other team’s ace.

  52. Bruce

    March 31, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    I also read about Lidge’s elbow soreness popping up. It did reported that it was not in the area where he had surgery. But a cortisone injection never is a good thing, and this is worth watching. It will probably delay his return to the team for another week or two.

  53. Geoff

    March 31, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    That is probably why the Phils were looking for low-cost types of starting/relief swingmen. Dana Evland, Boof Bonser, guys like that. Soemone who would probably end up in the pen but who has started in the past.

  54. WFC010

    March 31, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Phillies have to sign Boof Bonser, I LOVE that name!

  55. Chris.I

    March 31, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    The Phillies just signed Josh Fogg and another pitcher not too long ago

  56. George

    March 31, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    Fogg and the other guy got minor league deals.

    My question is this: both these guys are right handed, and with Bastardo pitching badly and Romero on the DL, why doesn’t the F.O sign some lefties?

  57. WFC010

    March 31, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Why doesn’t Amaro give Eyre a phonecall?

    We really could use him right now…

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