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Schneider Provides Sac-Fly Walk-Off Over Rays

Gotta love it when the backups pull through.  Brian Schneider was the hero in today’s Spring Training affair against the Rays.  His sac-fly walk-off in the 9th inning have the Phillies a 4-3 victory in Clearwater.

Ryan Howard smacked two home runs, Shane Victorino added another.  Joe Blanton did his usual thing, going 5 1/3 innings while allowing two runs, with two walks and two K’s.  Blanton continues to be a model of efficiency.  Basically, nothing new to see there.

Back to Howard; the guy has been pretty spectacular.  His average is up to .357 and I’m glad he isn’t waving at anything and everything. Yes, he still has 14 strikeouts, but with an OPS well above 1.000, it’s good to see him finding his stride early.  But, again, it’s just Spring Training.

Chad Durbin hasn’t allowed an earned run yet, like David Herndon, although today he gave up one of the unearned variety. Jose Contreras even got into the act with a scoreless frame today.   Can’t say much more about this pitching staff.  It’s looking solid.



  1. Matt

    March 23, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    If Durbin and Herndon can be solid 6th and 7th inning guys, I feel pretty good about our bullpen situation, banking on Lidge and Romero being healthy of course too.

  2. Phylan

    March 23, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    That’s a lot of “if”s though

  3. WFC010

    March 23, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    I said it before, but I really love our bench this year.

    Quite possibly the most well rounded and capable bench that we ever had, and I love having Brian Schneider here finally!

  4. The Second John

    March 23, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    I think the big question is that what are they going to do when Romero, and Lidge come back? Do you sent down Herndon, and Bastardo, or do they do something with Moyer?

  5. steve

    March 23, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Interesting article on the 5th starters competition.

  6. joe

    March 23, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Herndon has to be on the 25 man roster all year or they give him back..

  7. The Dipsy

    March 23, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Too many guys when Lidge and Romero come back.


    That leaves Herndon out. BUT! The Phils will carry four starters for about the first three weeks of the season so that means they can keep eight relievers so Herndon could stick around. Then there is the loser of the Kendrick/Moyer competition. Kendrick loses then HE goes to the pen and I imagine Herndon might go back to the Angels. Moyer loses (which he won’t because he will be the fifth starter. It just allows the Phils to avoid a lot of headaches), then Moyer is traded, with a big salary eat by us, or released. At this point, I would keep Herndon and release Contreras.

    The Dipsy

  8. Corey Seidman

    March 23, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Who could have guessed that David Herndon would turn into the most discussed Phillie coming outta ST? I love baseball.

  9. John

    March 23, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    I remember hearing an interview with Charlie just before the start of ST. In speaking about the bull pen he mentioned that the Phils have a guy step up and do well for them every year that there didn’t necessarily expect. Sure seems like Herndon so far… I wouldn’t be suprised to see the Phils make some minor trade for him, because unless he’s completely lights out I don’t see him having a spot the entire season.

  10. Nunzio Scholeri

    March 23, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Steve, thank you for posting that article. It expresses very well the same frustrations that I’ve felt with the seemingly inexplicable crucifixion of Jamie Moyer and anointment of Kyle Kendrick as a pitching god.

    I mean seriously, people. Moyer is coming off of 3 off-season surgeries at age 47, and pitching very very well. Any reasonable person would be excited by that kind of determination and drive. I know I am. I really don’t think I can think of another player where fans were so quick to discount his successes and jump all over his failures. It seems like so many other Phillies players (Cole, for instance), can make mistakes and everyone will say “Don’t worry about it; just remember how good he was. We know he can do it again.” Well remember how good Jamie can be. And give him a chance to do it again. There’s no reason to believe he can’t, and I think that a Jamie Moyer in what is probably his last season, with something to prove to the fans of Philadelphia, is a Jamie Moyer that can impress us all.

  11. PhxPhilly

    March 23, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Everyone is praising the bench for 2010. Did everyone think the 2009 bench was horrible at the start of last season?

    2009 Bench to Start the Season
    Dobbs – best pinch hitter of 2008 (just like Gload for 2009) and he stunk in 2009 (will Gload stink in 2010?)
    Coste – Paulino fizzled out and the Phillies handed the backup catcher job to Coste who is a decent right handed bat and okay once a week catcher. (I like Schneider better but he is probably a lesser hitter than Coste.
    Stairs – Mr Playoff homerun to be replayed forever. This guy is a seasoned pinch hitter who can walk or hit a homerun. Jenkins goes bye-bye even with eating huge salary (kinda surprised by that release). (I doubt Gload is much better but Gload is more used to being a bench guy.)
    Bruntlett – Same utility role, not much of a hitter but could provide defense at SS and LF with some running ability. (Castro is just as bad.)
    Cairo – he was just okay in the Spring and was Utley insurance. By mid-May Cairo stunk and Mayberry was eventually recalled as they wanted Mayberry to get at-bats and not ride the bench all season. (Francisco is the best non-starter on the team. Not sure how he will do will less chances.)

    Really Cairo was maybe the only surprise. I expected Jenkins to make it with Stairs traded and someone like Nomar signed as a righty. Cairo could not field at SS so we were stuck with Bruntlett. Eventually Francisco came in for Mayberry and Coste was surprisingly cut leading to Bako since we traded Marson.
    I think there is significant improvement from the 2009 Cairo/Mayberry slot to Francisco. But the other spots seem quite similar to me.

  12. Manny

    March 23, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    I really thought releasing Jenkins was a mistake last year (and I still do)… I’m sure he could’ve done better than Stairs’ .194 batting avg last year.

    I gotta say I agree with the article and Nunzio Scholeri… I want to see Moyer be our fifth starter when the season starts (unless he bombs in his next two starts or something)… Seriously, everybody HATED Kendrick a season ago and now everybody’s all over his bandwagon. I want to see Kendrick start this season –he deserves it–, but maybe it’s best for the team to let Moyer start first (at least for the first month or two), see how it goes… It might also be better for Kendrick’s development (can he even pitch a full MLB regular season??)

    Honestly, I’ll be happy either way. I also think Kendrick might be better off starting in AAA for now rather than just messing up his starters routine in the bullpen. But he said he would be devastated if that happened…

  13. pheeling it

    March 23, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    i hope werth has a crap year so we can sign him for cheap. we’d still be good. if he bangs it outta here like i expect him too, we all better start wearing sign jayson shirts. 3.1 million tickets already sold, come on. sign him

  14. Greg

    March 24, 2010 at 1:41 am

    The 2009 bench sucked. Period.

    Bruntlett was the lousiest excuse for defense — which is ALL a Utility-man is expected to do well. Castro’s D absolutely smokes Bruntlett’s (and the Triple Play was a fluke, don’t bring it up. The man made 2 errors to inherit those base-runners).

    Matt Stairs did nothing well except swing as hard as he could at every pitch, and hopefully hit the fastball, the only kind of pitch he could hit. Sure, he had some awesome clutch moments, but not enough to be better than a guy who hits the ball far more than he does (Gload).

    Coste sucked as a Pinch-Hitter for us and didn’t have a great bat until recently and was really only decent defense, at best. Sure, Bako was no better with the bat, but at least he could handle the pitching staff well.

    Cairo wasn’t even kept around long enough before being sent to the Minors to be considered even important. No player on the bench this year is a Cairo.

    Ross Gload: .283 Batting Average. Hit .300 as a Pinch-Hitter last year. Matt Stairs: .264 Batting Average. Hit .194 as a Pinch-Hitter last year.

    Stairs couldn’t play defense, he couldn’t run. Gload can take over for Howard (if that’s ever required, it’d be sure better than Dobbs at first), and he could also take Raul’s spot in left if he needs a day off, but a left-handed bat is still needed. (Yes, I know Francisco would most likely take this role, but he’s a Righty).

    Greg Dobbs: I know it’s not much, but he’s been HOT this Spring Training, especially in clutch moments. Coming off an injury, I expect him to have his normal numbers. He and Gload are going to be a GREAT combo.

    Juan Castro: He’s not required for his bat, he’s required for his defense, which he excels at playing at SS and 2B. He also hit .276 or last year, which always helps to turn the lineup over.

    Brian Schneider: He’s lived in the NL East his whole life, he was a Phillies killer on the Mets. He’ll be good. He has better numbers with Ruiz in throwing out baserunners, and a higher batting average to boot. No, he’s no defensively superior, but that being said, we’re not going to lose much when Ruiz needs a day off.

    Ben Francisco: He pulls through when he’s needed (Except Game 1 of the World Series…), and he’s a useful righty bat off of the bench. Far better than Bruntlett’s bat was.

    The bench in 2010 is FAR superior to that of the bench in 2009.

  15. Brooks

    March 24, 2010 at 5:21 am

    Agree with your last statement 100% Greg.
    Nobody I know thought the bench of 09 was even capable, starting in Spring Training. Coste was at his end, Stairs was still living the moment, Bruntlett was a reason to get a beer or head to the john before the crowds whenever he came to bat. Our backup catchers? Have mercy..
    Phx – you are way off on your analysis. I think you might have been living the moment in 09 along with Matty.
    The biggest disappointments of 09 were all addressed in the off season and the bench was a huge disappointment.

  16. Chuck

    March 24, 2010 at 7:32 am

    “i hope werth has a crap year so we can sign him for cheap.”


    Now THERE’S a stupid statement if I ever heard one. If Jayson Werth has a “crap” year…..then I would guess the Phillies wouldn’t have ANY chance at a title.

    For this team right now you need Werth’s righty power bat in there and to be effective.

    Let him have a MONSTER year…..and we’ll worry about whether or not he’s a Phillie next year later.

  17. bfo_33

    March 24, 2010 at 8:23 am

    I remember the same types of comments for Charlie Manuel in 2007 – “hope we don’t make the playoffs so he gets fired”. I never understood it. While it may be cheaper to sign Werth to a long term deal if he only has a so-so year, I’d much rather see an MVP caliber year out of him, deal with it in the offseason. Same goes for anyone else on the roster.

  18. The Original Chuck P

    March 24, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Our bench looks a lot better on paper… a big problem last year was that Dobbs was not healthy and we were banking on him being our first option off of the bench. Stairs is/was lightning in a bottle… as he gets older, the likelihood of him going yard decreases (and his value diminishes). I liked Coste in clutch situations but you could tell starting in the second half of 2008 that he was on the decline and his defense has never been great so the writing was on the wall. As for Cairo & Bruntlett; neither of those guys were ever going to contribute anything significant. Ben Francisco is a nice player with good tools… well rounded and surprisingly clutch for us. He ended the season as the first man off the bench and I would have felt pretty good with him beginning this season in that role but it looks like Ross Gload is going to get a chance to fill that role. Schneider is light years better than Coste, defensively and will give us what we need at the plate. Castro is a veteran… very good defensive numbers and great versatility. So the order of importance, in my opinion, is Gload (LH- Howard days off), Francisco (RH), Schneider (primarily Ruiz days off), Castro (Utley and Polanco days off) and Dobbs (extra LH off the bench, extra back up for Polanco/Howard)… if Mayberry supplants Dobbs, I’m ok with that.

  19. chase

    March 24, 2010 at 9:25 am

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  20. Don M

    March 24, 2010 at 9:38 am

    wait… Kendrick really said he’d be “devestated” if he started the year in AAA ???

    that ain’t good.. I think he deserves to get the 5th spot (as of now).. but the 5th guy isn’t really need for the first two weeks of the season anyway.. and if they have plans to get him stretched out more.. it would make sense to keep him in the minors.. let him get two or three more starts… all while saving Herndon on the 25-man roster while Lidge and Romero are out

  21. Chuck

    March 24, 2010 at 9:46 am

    If Herndon is effective from the beginning…..and the Phillies feel that they absolutely have to find a place for him (which probably makes sense)…..then it will be an interesting back and forth from the DL and the minors for some of these pitchers…..Kendrick included…..just so Herndon can stay.

    So if that means Kendrick starts at AAA… be it….he’s just gonna have to get UN-devastated.

    Because we need to him to be part of the BIG PICTURE.


    Mayberry vs. Dobbs??? Is there really any competition for a roster spot between these two.??

  22. WFC010

    March 24, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Honestly, I would really like to see how Ben Francisco would do in a starting role. Considering how likely it seems that Werth will walk after this season, i’d really like to see what we have in Francisco. He seems good enough defensively, and seems to have the potential to give us 20-30 homers a year. Would he be a huge drop off from Werth offensively? That’s what I want to see.

  23. Don M

    March 24, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Gload is a career .283 hitter.. as a Pinch-Hitter its .308 avg…with a .366 On-Base Percentage (but he’s only had 156 ABs)… and 5 Home Runs

    playing various positions in the field, his career Fielding% is .993

    Dobbs is a career .271 hitter.. as a Pinch-Hitter its .281 avg, .338 OBP% (in 203 ABs)… with 6 HRs

    .973 (due in large part to his terrible 3b defense in 2007, when he made 7 errors in 128 chances = .945 %)

    BEFORE looking that up, I would’ve argued that Dobbs should be the main Pinch-Hitter.. but I guess Gload really would be the best fit… for PH and for Double-Switches (but there shouldn’t be much defensive replacement except BenFrancisco for Ibanez this year)

  24. Don M

    March 24, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Werth is honestly one of the best all around players in baseball . . . its just taken him a long time to get healthy and play to his ability.

    Francisco is a very good 4th OF . . . but the dropoff between his ceiling, and Werth’s would be very noticeable

  25. Chuck

    March 24, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Just knowing what Gload did last year…leading the NL in pinch-hits….is enough for me. It always seemed as though he was killing the Phillies.

    Of course, Dobbs led in pinch-hits in 2008. He was hurt last year and is now healthy again. It will be interesting to see how he does.


    I like Ben Francisco…but I don’t see him as a 30 home run guy. WFC010, you suggested 20-30…..I would think that his numbers would be closer to 20….if he were to play more regularly??

  26. Chuck

    March 24, 2010 at 10:17 am

    I think some people like Mayberry because he’s tall and athletic-looking….and has a very pretty swing.

    When he hits long home runs they are a thing of beauty.

    But in a pinch-hitting situation with maybe the game on the line….I’d rather take by chances with Dobbs.

  27. Don M

    March 24, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Francisco hit 15 HRs in 447 at bats in 2008 (one every 29.8)

    last year he hit 15 HRs in 405 at bats (one every 27)

    with more experience, and probably in the prime of his career.. you could draw a line that says if he gets 550 at-bats … and ups his total to (one HR every 25 ABs).. that would give him 22 HRs on the year

    so I think that in our minds.. and a very quick look at numbers.. a low 20 HR total could be in his future

    Werth.. could/should/would be good to almost double that number though..

  28. Don M

    March 24, 2010 at 10:28 am

    in my mind Mayberry is something of a Right-Handed Matt Stairs . . . . fields better, hits worse

    if he’s your 5th OF, its not a bad thing.. but he’s got this long swing, with plenty of holes in it . . . that good pitchers can make look foolish

  29. WFC010

    March 24, 2010 at 10:32 am

    But we are going to most likely be losing Werth after this season, and Francisco seems to be the best in-house Right handed option we have to replace him right now. Mayberry has greater power potential than Francisco, but he’s not as good defensively and it seems unlikely he’ll ever live up to his potential.

  30. Manny

    March 24, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Dobbs is a GREAT pinch-hitter! Same goes for Gload. I feel really good about our bench with those two and Frisco.

    When I said Kendrick would be devastated… that was my take from something he said earlier this spring. It wasn’t a direct quote… (In any case, IF it happens, he’ll just have to cope with it. From everything I read last year, Happ not getting the 5th spot last spring was TRULY hard on him, and he turned out all right…)

    FOUND the article I was referring to, it’s from

    “Anything but the Minors, Kendrick said.
    “If it’s the fifth man, great. If it’s the bullpen, I’m happy with that, too,” he said. “I just want to have a good year, a good full season in the big leagues and go from there. If it’s the fifth guy or in the bullpen, so be it. But I’ll be happy, wherever it’s at.”

  31. Manny

    March 24, 2010 at 10:48 am

    Don: Andy Pettitte didn’t make Mayberry look foolish…

    My thoughts on Mayberry: I think he’s better than what most people here think… he can hit the ball with power, run well, and he’s very good defensively. And I think he can still improve…

  32. The Original Chuck P

    March 24, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Mayberry has holes in his swing but so does Dobbs… Dobbs strikes out a lot and often looks ugly doing it and he hasn’t really been the model for consistency.

    I see Mayberry’s career .800 OPS in the minors and think that if given the chance, he could develop into a pretty good player. He’s still only 26 years old… Dobbs is what he is; he’s a line drive dead pull hitter that can’t field a position.

    I love Ben Fran but if you’re banking on him replacing Jayson Werth, you’re giving the front office too much credit and setting this team up for future struggles… Ben Fran might be able to give you 20 HR and 20 SB, which is decent but Jayson Werth has the potential to hit 35 HR and steal 20 bases which puts him among the elite OF in the game. Nearly 100 RBI and 100 R last season… plus, his arm and range are both huge pluses. I like Ben Fran’s defensive ability; I like his consistency and his approach but he is what he is. At his best, I don’t think his production would match Werth’s (even if Jayson was having a down year).

  33. Don M

    March 24, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Andy Pettitte is like 7 years older than Jamie Moyer…. and had his body freakishly healed by HGH. He doesn’t count

    The thing with Mayberry though is that while HE CAN IMPROVE . . . . I don’t think he can do that from the bench, in the majors

    In my mind, he needs to be playing everyday in AAA… and really find out what he has to offer.

    so far in the majors.. he’s hit 4 HRs.. which is nice.. but in 57 at bats, he has hit .211, and struck out 23 times

    If you take all of Mayberry’s games (minors & mlb) its 595 games
    or 3.65 seasons.
    He’s got 99 HRs in that span = 27 per season
    and he’s a .254 hitter

    obviously most of those numbers coming against A-ball pitchers

    so he COULD be good, and he COULD develop more.. but he needs to play and he can’t do that as our 5th OF

  34. Chuck

    March 24, 2010 at 11:09 am

    And I think that’s what the Phillies think too.

    IF Mayberry truly excels THIS year in AAA….then maybe next year….with Werth maybe gone…and Ibanez in his final year of his contract….maybe he could be part of their plans??

  35. The Dipsy

    March 24, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Mayberry will never play a significant role with the Phils. Ever. He can’t hit. He looks great in a uniform and he sure can run fast and he can really hit the ball a mile but…..

    RE: Gload. I bet if we took a look at the list of all the guys that led the league in pinch hits over the last 25 years, we would all be completely underwhelmed. Rusty Staub, Del Unser, Greg Gross, Jose Morales… these guys are a dime a dozen. I’m glad we have Gload but lets not get carried away.

    RAJ is kinda trapped with that 8m albatross around his neck and because of that Moyer will be the fifth starter to start the season.

    The Dipsy

  36. WFC010

    March 24, 2010 at 11:43 am

    We are never going to find somebody who offers as much as Werth does, but all I am asking is that we can find a good right handed power bat who is also solid defensively. Werth is as good as gone, and if we want to keep competing on championships, we WILL need somebody right-handed who is at least reasonably close to Werth offensively, and not a gaping hole defensively. Like I said before, Francisco still seems to be the best in house option that we have right now, not counting some guys in the minors who are years away from making the big club.

    We aren’t likely to find anybody better than Francisco next offseason, at least not anybody who won’t be asking for some huge unwieldy contract that will sink the budget.

    Who would you rather have manning the outfield next season:a young Ben Francisco, or some overpriced free agent who’s pushing 40?

    Francisco is no Werth, but he’s about the best option we are going to have next season. And don’t bring Brown into this discussion, since he’s left-handed and a better fit to take over for Ibanez.

  37. Chuck

    March 24, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Yeah, but more often than not, those players that “underwhelm” us ….win ballgames.

    Staub… .279 BA (2716 Hits!)
    Unser… .258 BA
    Gross… .287 BA
    Morales from the 70’s and 80’s…. .287 BA
    Morales more recently .328 (but that’s really only one season)

    You’re underwhelmed by that?

  38. The Original Chuck P

    March 24, 2010 at 11:55 am

    I’m not so sure about Moyer… I think that he’ll be the fifth starter but I would not be surprised if they’re inching towards releasing him at some point. We shall see…

  39. Chuck

    March 24, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Speaking of Werth…… I listened to Mike Missanelli’s interview with David Montgomery (which was yesterday) on

    Read into this what you will….and there are no real surprises here….just interesting to hear it from “the horse’s mouth”

    The contract decision on Werth is “likely to be the soonest decision.”

    “Ruben’s had some discussion there.”

    There’s probably “a little more depth in outfield than maybe some other positions.”

  40. WFC010

    March 24, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Yeah, looks like Monty is going to let Werth walk…possibly even try to trade him mid-season for some prospects or something.

    No surprises there, except for the part about a decision “being reached soon”

    Eff Monty Burns!

  41. bfo_33

    March 24, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    At some point, someone on the starting staff is going to need a break or hit the DL.

    Unless Moyer is a disaster, I don’t think he’ll be released. At least you know what you’ll get. With Lidge and Romero out for a bit, the Phils have a few weeks to decide. My guess would be if Moyer is seviceable, and Kendrick doesn’t flourish in the pen, KK goes to LV until he’s needed.

    I don’t see Werth being traded this year unless we get hit with a Met-like injury plague. I’m assuming the Phils will try to extend his contract, but if Werth wants to establish his value, the Philswill look elsewhere (I hear Gary Matthews Jr is available).

  42. Don M

    March 24, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    yea, Werth isn’t getting traded unless the Phillies are out of contention for some reason by the All-Star break ….

    Moyer won’t be realeased because he can still be effective… they trust him, at least somehwat.. unlike Adam Eaton, where he was making you LOSE games. Moyer doesn’t do that..

    He’s getting paid $8 M regardless of which/how many innings he pitches.. so they should put the best possible STARTER in the #5 spot… and the best LONG RELIEVER in THAT spot

    I think that Kendrick (espc due to the fact that he can go more than 5-6 innings) is better suited as a starter.. And Moyer (espc due to the fact that a change-of-pace pitcher that is most effective the 1st time through the lineup) is very well suited to be a long reliever.

    How many more times can Kendrick be sent down to the minors before we lose him?

  43. Bob in Bucks

    March 24, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    The Phillies know that the unpredictable happen. Many fans like to dream there will be a starting five pitchers and a starting 8 hitters. But that is rare (although the Phillies are surprising close).
    The reality is that in an average year a team uses 10-15 starters. Some are spot starts, some are constant searches for a fifth starter but a lot are because of injuries. So, having six starters is NOT too many. Both Kendrick and Moyer will have starts – just don’t know in what rotation but they will.
    As to Werth, we don’t know if he can put two great years together (remember Pat the bat?). I am not willling to be the farm on him yet and I suspect neither are the Phillies. We have respectable (but not equivalent) replacements – not to speak of the open market.) If Werth is looking for a big long-term contract the Phils may have to pass but it does not mean there are no alternatives.

    Best to let it all play out rather than to lock in another long term contract.

    Still a great time to be a Phillies fan.

  44. WFC010

    March 24, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    I just don’t want to see the Phillies let Werth walk, only to offer nearly as much money to a guy who’s over the hill, and nowhere near as effective.

    Like I said before, I would rather they used Francisco as a starting OF for a year or 2, than for them to bring in some overpriced free agent that’s getting on in years. At least Francisco is very cheap for the next few years, and the money saved can be used to improve other parts of the team. We can’t have an Allstar in every position and still keep a budget, and even the freaking Yankees(of all teams!) have a few guys on their starting lineup that are nothing special.

  45. Chuck

    March 24, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Wait a second….the Philadelphia Phillies are not gonna sign someone to replace Werth….and pay that guy almost what Werth will maybe get (I’m guessing around $15M per season). That wouldn’t make any sense.

    Because if that’s their thinking (which it isn’t)….then they would just re-sign Werth.

    If anything…Domonic Brown comes up…plays right for a year…making $400,000….and then maybe moves to left at some point??

    Maybe Ibanez is traded and Brown takes his spot and Werth is signed??

    Like Mongomery said in his interview….the Phillies have more depth with the outfield than they do other places….so their are and will be options.

    WE just have to let it play out. I trust that they will make the right decision(s).

  46. Brooks

    March 24, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Werth has got to play like its the last year of his contract. If he has a monster year, he will really reap the bene’s and the Phils will be looking no further than our own minor league. If he has a monster year, the Phils are looking near to invincible.
    I like what I am seeing of Ryan’s swing so far. His closer stance is giving him a wider range and the Power will work its way to a 50+ season again. If the table gets set like we believe it will with Jimmy, Polly & Utley on base for a this power combo, look out league – this is the best team in baseball today –
    I love what I haves seen so far from the pen and feel pretty good about the starters – and do not give a crap who is the 5th starter, I’m sure he will change at least once over the summer. I am willing to say that the last starts by Cole and Roy were just out of context. Starting the season, I see competition molding some great performances out of this duo.
    How far away is the 5th? Only 12 more days folks.. only 12 more days.

  47. WFC010

    March 24, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Like I said though, we NEED a good right-handed Power Bat, and Brown is left handed. Maybe if Ibanez has a good year, the Phillies can try to trade him off, and then hopefully work on extending Werth.

    Guess we’ll have to see what happens, but I really don’t think having Francisco play full-time for a year or so would be that terrible, especially if the only alternatives available are overpriced free agents.

  48. psujoe

    March 24, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Werth isn’t going anywhere this season. Ibanez or Werth are gone after the season. I just hope it’s Ibanez. Sorry Raul Werth can run, field, throw and is a rh hitter.

    Love the “Herndon problem”. You can never have too many problems like that, LOL.

  49. WFC010

    March 24, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Maybe we can trade Moyer and Ibanez back to Seattle, in exchange for NOTHING besides some salary relief!

    Dunno if they’d go for it, unless we picked up a fair amount of the salary though.

  50. Don M

    March 24, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    WFC010 . . . . where are you getting the idea that IF Werth leaves after the season, he would be replaced with a high-priced, veteran ??

    That doesn’t even make sense..

    If Werth leaves.. its due to the fact that they’ll try to keep costs down, while using the organizational OF-depth that they have..

    It would suck for the lineup if they replaced Werth with the left-handed hitting Domonic Brown . . . but maybe they try to rid of Ibanez to an AL team.. eat some of his salary.. and pay Werth? who knows..

    whatever they do, I promise you that a HIGH-PRICED replacement for Werth is not anywhere in their plans

  51. Manny

    March 24, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    RAUUUUL’s last 3 years splits (2007-2009):

    vs. Left
    .283 .343 .493 .836

    vs. Right
    .287 .356 .504 .860

    … Conclusion: the guy hits anybody, regardless if he’s a lefty or a righty… Makes me think we can do just fine in 2011 if they actually let Werth walk (hope not!). Howard batting 4th, Raul batting 5th –which is what Charlie did for half of ’09…

    Utley (L) – Howard (L) – Raul (L) – Shane (S) -Domonic (L)

    Bonus thought: Most pitchers in baseball are righties..

  52. Chuck

    March 24, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    If Raul’s healthy….I’m really not all that concerned.

    Domonic is a BEAST!!

  53. WFC010

    March 24, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    “WFC010 . . . . where are you getting the idea that IF Werth leaves after the season, he would be replaced with a high-priced, veteran ??

    That doesn’t even make sense..”

    it may not make SENSE, except for the fact that the Phillies DO need a right handed power threat, and if they can’t find that within their system(with Francisco and Mayberry being the only possible in house right handed options next season), then they WILL be looking for a free agent who may very well be not much less than Werth would have received.

    Because the Phillies are NOT stupid, I have to think they realize that they will need a good right hander in their lineup if Werth walks, so it’s not like they can just let Brown take over for Werth and then forget about the fact that they are leaning too heavily to the left side. So either they let Francisco have a shot at a full-time gig, or they go looking for a free agent.

  54. WFC010

    March 24, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Also, the infield is pretty much set the way it is for a few more years yet, so the only possible place to get right-handers is in the outfield. Shane just signed an extension and isn’t likely to leave until AT LEAST Gillies is ready to take over, which leaves Ibanez who’s contract is up after 2011, so they would have to trade Ibanez this offseason if Brown is ready.

  55. Chuck

    March 25, 2010 at 7:01 am


    I said at 3:40 yesterday that “the Philadelphia Phillies are not gonna sign someone to replace Werth and pay that guy almost what Werth will maybe get (I’m guessing around $15M per season). That wouldn’t make any sense.”

    Don M said at 5:21 yestarday exactly what you just quoted above, “__________________That doesn’t even make sense.”

    Look, Jayson Werth is going to command a huge pay raise. We all pretty much know that. Whether it’s $15 M or $13M it’s doesn’t matter. He is in line for a big raise….and rightfully so.

    The Phillies may decide to re-sign him….or they may not. I am guessing that if someone from WITHIN the organization can take his place (Brown?) then they might do that. Brown will make $400,000.

    The Phillies realize that they need to save somewhere in order to pay elsewhere. There are so many contracts (Rollins, Utley, Hamels, Howard) that need to be explored and the team can’t pay everyone $15M a season. Ruben’s on record as saying that.

    I undersatnd what you are saying about a right handed power threat. That is very important. But there is absolutely NO WAY that the Phillies will sign someone to a contract almost as big as Werth’s……after letting Werth walk. Why would they turn around and do that if they could just re-sign Werth in the first place!!??

    That would be just plain stupid. It doesn’t make any financial sense and it would be a HUGE public relations disaster…..maybe even worse than the Cliff Lee backlash from this offseason (if that’s even possible)

    And as far as Shane getting an extension….he could always be traded if Tyson Gillies is ready sooner rather than later. Ibanez could be traded maybe this coming off-season. There are so many variables and possibilities and the Phillies are actually in a very good position.

    It’s like David Montgomery said in his interview, There’s probably “a little more depth in outfield than maybe some other positions.”

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