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2010 Gameday

Gameday: Mets (13-9) at Phillies (12-9)

New York Mets (13-9) at Philadelphia Phillies (12-9)

Jonathon Niese (0-1, 3.68 ERA) vs. Kyle Kendrick (0-0, 7.71 ERA)

Time: 7:05 p.m at Citizens Bank Park
TV:Comcast Sportsnet
Weather: Sunny, 71
Twitter: @philliesnation

Meet the Mets! Meet the Mets! Step right up and greet the Mets! Bring your kiddies, bring your wife! Guaranteed to have the time of your life. Because the Mets are really sockin’ the ball, knockin’ those home runs over the wall. East side, West side, everybody’s coming down to meet the M-E-T-S Mets, of New York town!

If you’re either too young to remember the 1990s or are a newcomer to the Philly baseball scene, you’d be inclined to believe that our northern neighbors represent the absolute nadir of baseball culture, with their creepy mascot and affinity for hard drugs.

This weekend marks the Metropolitans’ first visit to Philadelphia in 2010, and the first opportunity for Phils fans to boo the bejeezus out of one of the most dysfunctional teams in baseball.

The Phillies, who came out of the gate like a rocket, are on a bit of a slide right now, avoiding the sweep in San Francisco only by pulling out a narrow victory in the 11th inning of a truly bizarre game Thursday afternoon.

While the Phillies have been lollygagging the ball around the infield, the Mets have opened up a can on the Cubs, Dodgers, and Braves, winning seven in a row to crawl back from their 2-9 start to first place in the division. In short, it’s time for the Phillies to get their collective act together.

Jonathon Niese takes the ball for New York tonight against Kyle Kendrick, of whom I spoke ill the last time I wrote one of these. That was two starts ago, against the Braves, and he responded by tossing eight shutout innings. Since then he’s come back down to earth some, but it’s not like he’s squaring off against Johan Santana or Mike Pelfrey.

One underrated stat coming into this game is Niese’s absurd 4.09 BB/9 ratio, which is a good omen for a Phillies lineup stacked with players who will only swing if the KGB threatens to send their families to Siberia if they don’t. In short, expect a lot of walks.

Some good news–as the bodies (Rollins, Blanton, Happ, Romero, and now Madson) seem to pile up, someone’s finally coming back from injury. The Phillies have activated everyone’s favorite slider-slinging son of Sacramento, Brad Lidge, which may or may not mean that Madson will keep getting the chance to lose games in the 9th inning. Now that Lidge is (reportedly) healthy, Uncle Cholly might let him blow a few saves going forward.

Lineup: Victorino (CF), Polanco (3B), Utley (2B), Howard (1B), Werth (RF), Ibanez (LF), Castro (SS), Ruiz (C), Kendrick (P)

donnybrook stoutYour Gameday Beer: Victory Donnybrook Stout

This evening’s beer is a pleasant offering from a local brewery. The makers of the face-inverting Hopdevil and other potent potables have turned down the volume some and produced a rather pleasant Irish stout. As a connoisseur of such beers, I have to say that this is the best stout that you have a chance of finding on tap around here, apart from Guinness. Its creamy smoothness and rich taste make it a truly enjoyable beer, and excellent with bar food. -By Michael

Go Phillies!



  1. Keith E

    April 30, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Looks like the Mets are getting their collective sh*t together. Phils need to cut the crap and get after these guys early and often. Let’s close out April with a ‘W’. We’ve had these guys down for a few years now and I see no reason to lift our boot off of their necks!
    GO PHILS!!!

  2. The Original Chuck P.

    April 30, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    We should all gather together and throw up on the met fans that come to the game tonight??

    That’ll teach met fans for coming to philthy!

  3. Chris.I

    April 30, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Keith thats kind of hard to do with Kendrick on the mound…If the Phils pull this game off tonight they’d be more luckier than the last game facing Lincecum. I’m sorry but I have NO Phaith in Kendrick. Any word on when Blanton returns? I cannot stand to see Kendrick starting another game

  4. psujoe

    April 30, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    The hits continue. Madson to DL with a broken toe. Supposedly broke it after the game Wednesday.

    Mets don’t scare me. Not even a little.

    I was suprised to read that the Phils had a 4.50 era on the 9 game road trip. Not surprised they averaged 4 runs per game.

  5. WFC010

    April 30, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Predictions: Kyle Kendrick gives up 7 runs, but hits a grand-slam and a 3-run homer to make up for it!

    Ryan Howard goes cold at the plate, but pitches a scoreless 9th inning in his pitching debut.

  6. PhilliePhagatic

    April 30, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    The Silly Phillies are going to get owned this weekend!

    If you ain’t the lead dog, the view is the same: butt holes!


  7. BurrGundy

    April 30, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Let’s hope that Kendrick figures it out tonight.

  8. WFC010

    April 30, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    PhilliePhagatic: Your Mets probably would be more of a threat if their G.M wasn’t Omar E. Newman, and weren’t owned by Frank (I WAS ROBBEDEDEDED!” Wilpon.

  9. diz

    April 30, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Excited for tonights game, yes I am. Not scared of the Mets. Am afraid of the Phillies just not showing up.

    Hopefully this won’t be a close one. Lets go phillies!

  10. Dudley Monk

    April 30, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    WFC010 — You are a silly, silly child in need of some discipline. Grow up a little and join the crowd. At least you’re having some fun and not hurting yourself or someone else.

  11. Dudley Monk

    April 30, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    WFC010 — Sex is probably a big mystery to you at your tender age. It comes with being young and silly. We all went through it.

  12. Choo Choo Coleman

    April 30, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    A reference was made to the creepy Mets masot, Mr. Met. Check out this link for some historical insights. I personally think he has universal appeal.

    Also, Tug McGraw was once mistaken for Mr. Met by a young fan after he was released from the hospital with highly visible stitches in his bald head following brain surgery. This story was told by Tug himself in his autobiography.

    Recent David Wright quote after the Mets recent 9-1 home stand. “We now walk with a swagger.” Another note, Pelfry has now gone 24 consective innings without surrendering a run. This guy is a real head case.

  13. pheeling it

    April 30, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    when does jimmy come back?? not that castro has even bothered me but i want a spark

  14. pheeling it

    April 30, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    at least we answered the question that shane is not a lead-off hitter. hard to lead off, we should give jimmy credit

  15. Georgie

    April 30, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Another David Wright quote:

    “I now wear mascara as well as eyeliner…..”

  16. The Second John

    April 30, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    One positive thing about Ryan Madson’s struggle is that it means that he will be less expensive in next year’s free agency. Also, Scott Boras, his agent can’t advertise him to be the next big closer anymore, which is what they were planning to do. Now, teams will pay a little bit less for a setup-man which hopefully enables the Phills to keep him.

  17. Jeff

    April 30, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    Madson who is a waste broke his toe kicking a chair. What an idiot. Should be benched when he comes back. Players that should be gone, Madson, Lidge, Kendrick, Moyer, most of the bullpen. I doubt any team will take Rauls contract but another mistake by Jr. Get rid of him and bring up D. Brown. Sign worth. They can back end the deal with Werth. They have room in 2012. You will not find outfielders with his speed, bat, and glove.

  18. diz

    April 30, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Game on.
    Top of the first, popout-groundout-flyout.
    Bottom of first, groundout-groundout-walk-strikeout.
    Womp womp.

  19. Jeff

    April 30, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Sorry but Kendrick is a waste. My buddy is a die hard Mets fan and he loves our pitching rotation for the first two games. He said Kendrick and Moyer are wastes of human space.

  20. Ed R.

    April 30, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    One man rotation, that’s all this team has.

  21. diz

    April 30, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Wright with a 2 run homerun. :/

  22. BurrGundy

    April 30, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    I am trying with all my might to support Kendrick. This game is really pivitol and so far it looks less than great.

  23. Ed R.

    April 30, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Well hopefully the more the Met’s smack around the Kendrick the sooner he is sent to Trip A, where he belongs.

  24. Ted Bell

    April 30, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    I miss Brett Myers.

  25. Jeff

    April 30, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Our offense is been hitting like a high school team. Turn this one off. The only reason we won two days ago, the took the freak out.

  26. Jeff

    April 30, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    AAA???? Maybe A

  27. Second Place

    April 30, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Werth!!! Shoulda been a double!!

  28. Jeff

    April 30, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    what a catch. to bad its the mets.

  29. Jeff

    April 30, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    pinch hit for Kyle the waste. Go home you waste.

  30. glutenous

    April 30, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Moyer is not a waste, he’s a decent fifth starter and that is all we need him to be; however he is certainly not worth the 8mil he is being paid. Injuries are forcing him to be a third starter, which he is most certainly is not. Blanton and happ are both solid middle of the rotaion pitchers and it is huge that we don’t have either of them right now. Kendrick just can’t seem to find it and be competitive in the bigs, but he is still young. I think he has the potential to be a decent 4th or 5th starter but for now he belongs in leheigh valley. When everyone is healthy this pitching staff will not be as horrid as they lead us to believe they are at times.

  31. Ed R.

    April 30, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Well yeah I agree, A is probably best but that won’t happen.

  32. Jeff

    April 30, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    how do you say moyer is not a waste. he should of retired five years ago. cant stand players that stay around this long. the only reason he has the amount of the wins is because the amount of time he has been playing.

    the mets d is on fire…holy cow.

  33. Jeff

    April 30, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    thats it howard baby. earn that 125 million. i love kevin k today from the eagles. when the press asked why he signed just the one year. he said i have to support my family. ARE YOU KIDDING ME. 4 million is so so so tough. you are no Mcnabb

  34. glutenous

    April 30, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    Moyer is a pitcher, and a finesse pitcher at that. He is not a position player or a running back in the nfl. Guys that don’t rely on power pitches can pitch well into their 40s.

  35. Ed R.

    April 30, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    You know, Raul may be sucking right now, and he is, but at least he busts it down the line on a weak grounder to 2nd. More than you can say for most.

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  37. Jeff

    April 30, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    please get rid of kyle. my god. charlie take him out. the only reason you win is because of this team charlie.

  38. Scott in D.C.

    April 30, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    How do you get ahead in the count to a light-hitting catcher, only to spend another eight pitches and give up a freaking homer?

  39. tim

    April 30, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    the bullpen isnt much better no reason to rush to that

  40. craig from my

    April 30, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Sorry guys this will not be your year. Not trying to be mean. You have a minor leaguer on the mound right now. You have an old man who will give us batting practice on Saturday. Your bullpen is horrific. No closer. Hamels will never be the same. He wont even be a Philly in the years to come. Howard might hit 50 homers a year but he doesnt really do it with BIG games on the line. Utley is a monster. Raul is pathetic. Werth will be overrated when he gets the money from another team. Sorry but our lineup is much better when Beltran comes back. We have a much better bullpen.

  41. glutenous

    April 30, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Moyer is pitching on Sunday. Halladay will be giving you batting practice on Saturday….

  42. BurrGundy

    April 30, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    We need to get Kendrick out of the rotation. Four homers tonight. Maybe he has some trade value, but he is NOT a major league pitcher, as I see it. Not even in relief. Right now, he just stinks.

  43. joe

    April 30, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    5 hits given up.
    2 doubles.
    3 bombs.

    it’s time to stick his worthless A$$ in the pen and let Figgy start..this is a joke

  44. joe

    April 30, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    hey craig…

    Ryan Howard owns september when the games really count… look it up

  45. joe

    April 30, 2010 at 8:36 pm



  46. Second Place

    April 30, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    I sense impending flames..

    *puts on her asbestos catsuit*

  47. joe

    April 30, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    you mets fans are pathetic..

    it’s april and you’re acting like this is your year..


  48. AGH

    April 30, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    More heartless, undisciplined baseball. Howard jogging into second base and getting tagged out a few nights ago…now Shane sulking/jogging on a play he should have beaten out easily. Enough. Do something, Charlie.

  49. Jeff

    April 30, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Bench Victorino.

  50. craig from ny

    April 30, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Yea the Howard falls apart in October. Looked great against the Yankees. Victorino really running it out on that play. What a joke he is.

  51. Scott in D.C.

    April 30, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    The Nationals clobbered Ricky Nolasco, knocked him in out less than five innings. Get ready: The two NL East teams everyone assumed would be jockeying for last place are going to be in first and second place.

  52. tim

    April 30, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    keep asking for kendrick to get taken out….welll i hope your happy

  53. Second Place

    April 30, 2010 at 9:04 pm


  54. Second Place

    April 30, 2010 at 9:05 pm


  55. Scott in D.C.

    April 30, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    What tim said above…

  56. craig from ny

    April 30, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    who is your daddy. oh babbbby…phillies are not a very good team. polanco is about 35. raul is 40. moyer is 50. victorino is overrated. love it baby.

  57. Second Place

    April 30, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Wow… finally a hit that wasn’t for extra bases…

  58. BurrGundy

    April 30, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    The Mets fans should enjoy it while they can. They are loyal to a sinking ship. We are the NL Champs, after all. April is finished after tonight. Phils love to break hearts in New York. We really do. And we do indeed.

  59. joe

    April 30, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    hey craig…. i got a question for you my man..

    2007…who won the nL east???

    2008.. who won the NL east? the NL…and the world series?

    2009…who won the NL east and the NL??

    i cant seem to remember what happened?

    oh and could you also tell me the date?? i believe its april…but i could be wrong?

    i also believe there are about 130 games left…but that also could be wrong?

    could you help me out?

  60. mg52

    April 30, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Let’s all just enjoy these games in peace – Mets and Phils fans alike. No rubbing it in each other’s faces – that isn’t what baseball’s about. It isn’t mature. We Phils fans don’t like the lifeless offense, the inconsistent pitching; but tomorrow’s another day.

  61. joe

    April 30, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    craig you are right man..
    the season is over..the mets own the phillies… they beat them in game 1 of 18…
    so it’s totally over man..
    congrats on your nl east crown and your world series

    get a life and sop posting in philly blogs you worthless piece of trash

  62. Ed R.

    April 30, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    It amazes me that two years removed from the worst collapse in baseball history, and a year after a 4th place and 23 game back finish the trolls have the balls to go on anyones website and gloat just because their team is off to a good start.

  63. Scott in D.C.

    April 30, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Okay, we all know the pitching staff has got major problems right now. But … the bats? What gives? The difference, earlier this month, was that we’d give up runs but win in a slugfest. Now it’s just the wrong end of total domination.

  64. miked63

    April 30, 2010 at 9:18 pm


  65. joe

    April 30, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    here is my last post of the night..

    Joe Blanton..on DL…coming back this week (#3 starter)
    JA Haap..on DL..had an ERA of 0.00 in two starts..coming back in a week or two (#4 starter)
    Brad Lidge…just got back
    Jimmy Rollins..on SS in the league…lead off back in a week or so


    they’ll be 1.5 back after tonight…
    with half their rotation hurt.

    when the rotation is Doc, Hamels, Blanton, Haap, Moyer….
    and when Madson is in the 8th, Lidge the 9th…
    and when Jimmy is back in the lead off spot

    talk to me then Mets fans.

  66. craig from ny

    April 30, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    i tried to be nice but you guys still bash me. hey remember lee last season. 4 great starts then got his butt kicked four straight. doc is next. oh babbbby. your offense is a joke. i love it. when is the last stanley cup or superbowl you won. lol. the g men.

  67. Scott in D.C.

    April 30, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Speaking of Lidge, tonight would be probably be a good time to give him a no-pressure inning!

  68. joe

    April 30, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    yeah bring up other sports because you know the mets suck

    youre a worthless piece of F’N trash you loser…you go to other teams blogs and write stuff after one game??

    how much of a joke are you..

    if you KNEW ANYTHING…youd know the phillies NEVER HAVE A GOOD APRIL….

    you are complete piec of trash dude…complete piece of trash

    ohh babbby…your a f’n loser dude…complete and utter piece of trash

  69. mg52

    April 30, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Craig, I know many Mets fans who like having calm, reasonable discussion about this rivalry. Please don’t say this stuff about the Phils. I say good stuff about the Mets – while I don’t like them, I admit that they’ve got some fantastic players who are always a handful for the Phils. I’d be willing to talk baseball with you anytime as long as it’s respectful.

  70. David, the Mets fan from Queens

    April 30, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Mr. Baumann,

    I guess it’s safe to say that “dysfunctional” teams can score eight runs on any given night, right?

  71. miked63

    April 30, 2010 at 9:29 pm


  72. Bruce

    April 30, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Jonathon Niese, the rookie lefthander, certainly making a name for himself. He is making it look easy pitching against the Phillies. As a matter of fact it is turning into a laughter for the mets tonight as they outplayed the slumping Phils in every facet of the game..fielding, hitting and pitching. And tomorrow the Phillies must face the hottest pitcher in the league in Mike Pelfrey. Oh brother!! Please hurry back Joe Blanton and ship Kendrick back to the minors.

  73. joe

    April 30, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Doc pitches tomorrow.

    Phils own Pelfrey

  74. Scott in D.C.

    April 30, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Finally a hit from the top of the order!

  75. TheRobSpecial

    April 30, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    The Phillies are just an overall bad team right now. Their pitching is atrocious overall, and their offense has been asleep for a long, long time. This isn’t to say that they won’t turn it around, but right now they’re nothing resembling a good team. Hopefully by the time Jimmy comes back to the lineup, Blanton & Happ come back and the Phils resign Pedro (NEEDS to happen) they will not be too far back.

  76. David

    April 30, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    MG52, I agree that Craig needs to calm it down and quit being ridiculous. I think the same could also be said about Joe. No need to be so insulting man. Don’t take the trash talk so personally. I dont know why anyone is taking craig seriously. He’s clearly trying to get a rise out of everyone by posting the most ridiculous things possible.

    @Ed, I dont think that mets fans are the only ones to gloat after a bad season. Last season is last season. Its over. I guarantee if the Yanks are getting beat by the O’s, Sox and Rays fans are giving them crap about it even though they won last year. Im sure plenty of Phils fans talked crap long long before 2 years ago, which was the first time they had won ANYTHING in about 50 years.

  77. MikeB.

    April 30, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Is the performance by Kendrick tonight and most of the previous games he has pitched so far this season really a surprise? Just does not have the “stuff” to win at the Major League level. What the Braves found so fascinating about the only one good game he has pitched, is hard to figure out. Like many have posted in the past, Victorino is not a leadoff hitter. Not a place for someone who hacks at most of the pitches.

  78. craig from ny

    April 30, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    you guys are funny. first off if you read my first post it was not nasty. just giving my opinion. read it above. then everyone started getting nasty. i dont live in my moms basement. i work as a resident at a hospital in robert wood n.brunswick. not married but getting there. sorry

  79. Smith

    April 30, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    What’s amazing is not so much that the Mets people on here are embarrassing themselves, but the fact that you phillies fans actually seem to be genuinely bothered by it, and that you actually engage them. That actually makes you look a lot worse.

  80. Jeff

    April 30, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Good to see Lidge in form. lol

  81. Second Place

    April 30, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Welcome back, Lidge… 🙁

  82. David

    April 30, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    And here come the pretzels…

  83. Scott in D.C.

    April 30, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Lidge: That is just poetic.

  84. drtyjerz

    April 30, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    the only reason this pecker eating toolbag muts fan can come on this site & talk smack is because amaro has completely ignored pitching, saddled the team with bums like amaro, overpaid for .220 hitting victorino, and once again, ignored pitching. cant wait till howard is hitting .230 w/ 20 HR’s and making $25 million.

    how many more 8-1 losses to the muts before ruben is fired???

  85. drtyjerz

    April 30, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    shoulda said ignored pitching DEPTH

  86. Ed R.

    April 30, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    David I don’t disagree that people probably do talk smack just because they like to talk but the people on this site don’t do that. I have no issue if a Met’s fan, or any fan wants to come here and talk baseball, but that’s not what these jokers are doing. They come here spouting off for no other reason than to be ridiculous and none of the people here feel like seeing it.

    Pretty sure if Phillies fans went onto a Met’s blog and did the same thing then their fans would react the same way the fans are here. When you attack fans and a team then obviously people are going to get pissed and defend themselves and their teams. That’s just the way it goes, so to act like Phillies fans are worse because they get annoyed at people trolling is totally ridiculous.

  87. BurrGundy

    April 30, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    The Phils bats are impotent. They should rub them in viagra. maybe that would help

  88. MikeB.

    April 30, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Remember Cliff Lee?

  89. miked63

    April 30, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    well said robspecial / everyone calm down , you guy’s know how many games are left. mets will come back to earth,theyre a 500 team at best come sept 30th you’ll see. i don’t feel any different now than a month ago, phils will win 95 games this year give or take a game or two.lets get everyone back , you guys know the bats will come back.this lineup will do the same thing this summer it did the last three years . lead the NL in runs scored. like robspecial said , get haap & blanton back , lidge just needs to be somewhere between 08 & 09 , get jimmy back, dont worry guys im telling you thats a 95 win team , mets have no shot at even 90 wins in my opinion.they haven’t proven anything tonite

  90. Terri

    April 30, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    I know it is only April, but this team looks like it is in the midst of a collapse. No pitching, not hitting. Everyone looks tired and it is only April. When should we start to panic about this team? Ruben better fix this before it is too late.

  91. Ed R.

    April 30, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    The ERA’s of everyone who pitched for the Phillies tonight…

    Add that to a lead off hitter batting .226 and a guy in the 6 hole batting .209…

    …aren’t going to win many games with that.

    I have always felt that Ruben was completely over rated and spent money unwisely and this team right now is just further proof of that. We all knew going into this season that the bullpen and pitching depth was an issue and what was done to address it?

    Hendron, Baez, Contreras and Figeruoa…really? Granted two of them have been good and two, absolutely awful.

    You can say, well Blanton and Happ have both been hurt, very true but you know at some point your pitchers are going to get hurt, it happens, to everyone, but this team needs to have better options than Kyle Kendrick. Ruben totally failed at addressing some of the Phillies biggest needs. He was handed a champion with one of the best farm systems in baseball and now what do we have? A baron at best farm system, a farm system that won’t net us anyone in a trade which means we have to give up current value on the roster to get anyone back. This team, when it is healthy better perform cause we have no way or really fixing any holes as they appear.

  92. Ed R.

    April 30, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Mike B…

    Lee has not thrown a pitch all season…so yeah I remember him, and he hasn’t done anything this year, so what is your point?

  93. Second Place

    April 30, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    I wouldn’t mind if the Mets fell half a game back on the last day of the season… again. Injuries got in the way of the doing it last year but they’re ripe to do it again this year.

  94. MikeB.

    April 30, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    miked63; I pretty much agree with you. When all the players are back and healthy, the Phils are just too good not to win. Mostly everyone in the East Division has had a “hot” streak so far this year. First it was the Phils, then it was the Marlins and Atlanta and now it is the Mets and the Nationals somewhat. It is a long season with teams going to go thru hot streaks and no doubt, the NL East lead will change many times before the creme of the crop, the Phils, come charging thru to win it.

  95. MikeB.

    April 30, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Ed R.; yeh, I know what is going on with Lee. Just threw his name out there tonight just to see if anyone would say anything at this point about Amaro not keeping/signing him and in view of tonight’s game and Kendrick’s performance. I know about Lee’s injury(s) but say he would have gotten to stay with Philly and did not wind up with injury problems while in spring training with the Phils…

  96. Ed R.

    April 30, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Believe me MikeB. I am a big pitching guy, I would have rather they kept Lee and used the money they just gave Howard to resign Lee, but sadly that was never an option. This team was never going to keep Lee and Halladay and that was evidence by Ruben trading away Lee at the same time he traded Halladay. Ruben knew that if fans had a few days or weeks or months to consider a rotation with those two, and then traded Lee, he would be run out of town. He did what he did because he felt he had too. I disagree but it is what it is. Hopefully it does not come back to haunt this team.

    I have not given up yet, it is still early but I am deeply concerned with this team and Ruben’s abilities as a GM.

  97. miked63

    April 30, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    mike b — regarding cliff lee , i know that drums been beat to death but sometimes i think i’m not over it either. ED-R i know he’s been hurt , but he’s back now. they could have kept him , are u confident enough to face that GIANT pitching staff in a 5 game series? the offense carried us quite a bit in the playoffs the last few years. if we do get to the NLCS or world series we’ll need halladay to pitch games 1 , 4 , and 7 . they say he can do it . however we have to get past a 5 game series 1st. i know its may 1st and i’m ahead of myself with playoff’s . i’m just not backing off my earlier statement of 95 wins. i’ll be here all season to talk PHILS hope i get to know some of you guy’s for great phils conversation.

  98. philsgirl

    April 30, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Ed R., I am glad you said it because I would be banned from the site if I said that. Recently talking to Phils fans at games I noticed that everyone seemed to think getting Halladay was directly linked to Lee in the same deal. I tried to continue to back him due to *a few* (unconvincing to me) arguments on this site but I still think what we got in return was not nearly what he was worth to us this year and as a franchise in general. The recent Howard signing considering the terms is a little concerning, too, and if RAJ fails to lock up Werth I completely give up. Big mistakes concerning the offense/OF defense as well as failing to address gaping holes in the pitching is truly inexcusable.
    But I thought we weren’t allowed to utter the name Cliff Lee until at least after his 2010 debut tonight…
    All the same, I don’t think the Mets will make the playoffs, but our bats have to get hot at some point, no matter who we’re playing.

  99. MikeB.

    April 30, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Ed R.; I toally agree with your posts. The Phils should have kept Lee. Regardless of all the reasons Amaro threw out there, the Phils could have found a way to keep Lee and especially in view of all the money they gave to Howard, not to debate whether or not Howard was deserving of that big contract but if they had all that money to throw at Howard, then they could have figured out a way to keep Lee. If they do not win this year, the Lee travesty will loom big.

  100. philsgirl

    April 30, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Oh, him in sentence 3 = Ruben. Gotta proofread.

  101. Choo Choo Coleman

    April 30, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Those astronomical ERA’s remind me of the days when Billy Champion was the ace of the Phils staff.

    Ed R. your comment is painfully sobering. I hope Halladay is in form tomorrow since Pelfrey seems to have productively focused his unstable psychotic energy with a nasty sinker. Check out this link from a recent Pelfrey analysis.

  102. MikeB.

    April 30, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    philsgirl; you are so right in that the phillies did not get enough compensation from Seattle for Lee. Aumont and Gillies (or however you spell his last name) are fine prospects but the Phils should have insisted that Seattle additionally give them one of their top starting pitchers like Hernandez or a good relief pitcher. Lee won the Cy Young in the AL in 2008.

  103. miked63

    April 30, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    philsgirl : halladay was absolutely worth what we gave up for him.look up his wins and ERA in the AL. he pitched in the AL with a dh and faced the yankees and red sox all the time.that being said he still was the best pitcher in baseball , his ERA was in the high 2’s and low 3’s his whole career. he will absolutely win over 20 games for the phils this year maybe 25 . he was a 20 game winner in AL with nowhere near the offense he has behind him now.thats why your point on cliff lee is right on.imagine halladay , lee , hamels , haap , blanton. with this offense , book world series tickets immediately. i dont want to hear they couldn’t do it , almost 4 million fans 3 years in a row , besides next year moyer and ibanez come off. i could stomach losing werth if lee was here , but since he’s not they better keep him. like i said after moyer and ibanez come off after next year they’ll be over theyre 140 million payroll only 1 year if they keep worth

  104. MikeB.

    April 30, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    miked63; I thought that some people have posted saying that Ibanez received a contract for 3 years.

  105. miked63

    April 30, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    sorry phils girl i thought you meant halladay wasn’t worth it . you meant what we got in return for lee. dont let them fool u , it was all about money.

  106. MikeB.

    April 30, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Absolutely. Phils did not want to pay Lee the big bucks in a free agent market.

  107. miked63

    April 30, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    yes , next year is his last year , i meant they will only be over theyre 140 million dollar payroll 1 year in 2011 cause by 2012 ibanez and moyer are gone.

  108. miked63

    April 30, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    doc better win tomorrow , i listen to alot of sports talk , ny included (660) if they beat doc , mets fans will be impossible to listen too.
    i have a question , does anyone old enough to know any better have a problem like i do with referring to anyone as DOC besides the original. afterall lets face it even outside of philly if your old enough there was only 1 doctor when it comes to the sports world.

  109. Metssss Fan for life

    April 30, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    stop complaing about injuries. the METS dont have CARLOS BELTRAN, the best outfielder in the game and we are without our setup man, Igarashi. Injuries are apart of the game and let’s face it the phils dont have anyone near half the caliber of player CARLOS is on the dl. Amaro is an iddiot plan and simple. Overpaid for Ibanez, Howard, Polanco, should have kept Lee (the prospects phils got back r nothing great)…. while omar has quietly put together a phenomenal pen and the Met’s kids are phenomenal (Niese, Mejia, Davis). Let’s go Mets!!!!!!! i love how metsblog says nothing as dumb as this crap site. (saying mets are dysfunctional and harping on drug problems how cruel and iddiotic) were in first and we have both the MONEY AND PROSPECTS to only get better. oh and we are NEW YORK!!!!! philly is trash

  110. Jarrett

    April 30, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    So phils fans how’s it feel to have a few of your key guys hurt? And to have some of your high priced superstars not performing for once?Doesn’t feel good does it? Anyway not to be mean or anything, but we all expected Kendrick to implode the way he did tonight. That’s a given he’s terrible. But how in the world does that phillies team… with that lineup… in that sandlot of major league park you people call home, allow Jon niese(who let’s face it is in the same class as a Kyle Kendrick) to go 7 strong dominating innings. Allow one run and scatter 4 hits. And!!! Not to mention retire 14 phillies in a row at one point. My god you people have every right to be ashamed of that team.

  111. Chris.I

    April 30, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    I said in the begining of this thread that I had no Phaith in Kendrick. I wouldn’t even waste my time putting him in the bullpen up at this point of the season. The Phils don’t have much invested in him, so why not just let him walk? It would leave room for Bastardo to join the roster. Not to mention Lidge’s not so good welcome back…Im so disgusted to be a phan right now! I sware Jimmy really is the spark plug for this team, cause whenever hes out they don’t really play so good ball.

  112. Metssss Fan for life

    April 30, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    How the hell did you just compare Niese to Kendrick. One is crap (Kendrick) and the other is a stud, young left -hander (Niese)……

  113. miked63

    April 30, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    metsfanforlife: your a typical ny asshole , i listen to wfan all the time , every day francessa has to put up with idiotic phone calls , besides all of a sudden now you guys love omar , thats priceless , all you geniouses have been calling for omar’s head for three years. oh let me guess , not you though right. dont worry about our front office , mets haven’t won shit since reagan was president. read carefully 3 years , 3 div titles, 2 pennants , 1 world championship. mets haven’t won shit. and do some homework/ pick up baseball america ( mets worse farm system in nl east ) feb 2010 issue. and you call our site crap and nothing dumb on mets site . the way i see it you brought the IQ of our site down about 50 points. before you come on here son be prepared or i will continue to embarass you.

  114. Chris.I

    April 30, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    Speaking of Halladay and Lee…I was just thinking about that tonight! Amaro really screwed up when he traded for Lee. If he was really smart he would of just gave Toronto who they wanted for Hallday to begin with, so our Farm system wouldn’t be so damn depleted to begin with. Think about it….We’d still have everyone we gave up for Lee still in our farm system (going based on who was giving up to aquire Haladay)

  115. Jarrett

    April 30, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    You mean to tell me that at the start of this year you felt niese was gonna give you production. If you did your kidding yourself my friend. Don’t get me wrong what he’s done so far is wonderful this year. He’s kept us in alot of games. But the jury is still out on him. All of them for that matter besides johan. It’s a long season my friend.

  116. Metssss Fan for life

    April 30, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    miked63….. my point about the Met’s farm system was that the kids, Niese, Mejia, and Davis have all been superb and are all HUGE reasons the Metsies are on this winning streak. Your right, new yorkers (many) not all were calling for omar’s head…. new york is a what have you done for me recently city and when you dont produce we let you know… just like philly. i recall, the boo birds for jimmy rollins……

    and congrats on all of your pennants etc., the phillies still have the worst world series winning percentage in the history of major league baseball…. know your facts or i will embarass you on your own crap site.

  117. Metssss Fan for life

    April 30, 2010 at 11:49 pm


    If you watched any of the games last year you would have seen Niese was REALLYYYY coming around before he got hurt. Kid is a stud.

  118. miked63

    April 30, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    hey jarrett: why would i be ashamed on 04/30 , are you kiddin. they have had a slump like this every year like most teams do , just came earlier this year. i would be more ashamed if my baseball team hadn’t won anything substantial since reagan was president. just make sure you bring your punk ass around in september when the phils are on theyre way to 4 division titles in a row. typical ny fan , i listen to wfan everyday , you guys jump on and off the bus more than any fan base in the country. metsfanforlife was just praising omar , thats hilarious , every met fan been calling for los-mets head for 3 years , now u love him , priceless. have your fun now , it wont last , you have no shot at the division and deep down you know it . maybe wildcard . pennants aren’t won on april 30th. look up who has the best record in NL AUG AND SEPT THE LAST THREE YEARS. i think you already know.

  119. Brooks

    May 1, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Anyone take notice what the pitcher in Seattle is doing after his stint on the DL and suspension?
    Just sayin’ 7 innings of work, 98 pitches, 3 hits, 0 runs and 8 K’s – strike to ball ratio – 73 strikes, 25 balls.
    Yes, that would be one Clifford Lee.

  120. Jarrett

    May 1, 2010 at 12:03 am

    @mets fan,
    I did watch just about every dreadful game of last season, and I know what you mean niese has progressed very nicely. I mean I had to pick my jaw off the ground a few times tonight watching him deal it was kinda unbelievable. I thought the phils would rough him up a bit. But I’m not ready to take huge heaping gulps of the orange and blue kool aid just yet. I’m close but not yet. And tomorrow will be a huge test for mr pelfrey if he can outduel halladay I think it’ll be time to start considering him as the elite of the N.L starting pitcher class. I think we should be having this discussion on one of our own blogs lol. I’m starting to feel a bit weird. But It is fun screwing with Philly fans they take everything so personally. And just for the record you guys and those idiot loudmouths on your team rollins and hammels started this beef. Hopefully this year finally well end a chapter of it. And btw stop showing up to citi is those really ugly retro powder blue jerseys…. Talk about wanting to throw up on someone

  121. miked63

    May 1, 2010 at 12:12 am

    metsfanforlife : world series winning perct. are u kidding , theyre 1 of the original teams back to like 1896. when did the mets come into being like 1960. thats all you got ? world series winning perct. come on son u can do better than that cant u. and thats the 2nd time u called our site crap , than ? are u here. it cant be to break balls just cause u won a game in april , is it . wow these last 3 years must have been tougher than i thought for u . oh i forgot , when was your last playoff game ? and please dont say ( many ) mets fans wanted omars head , ask anybody on wfan its at least 90% and u know it. mike francessa reported yesterday that if u guys would have gone say 4 and 6 on the homestand the manager and omar were gone.just hope for the wildcard cause u have no shot at division over a 162 game schedule and u know it. phils roster is just better by far , ask any expert , you dont win all the games theyve won in 3 years by accident. i hope u have the balls to come on here around 4th of july when your 10 games out .

  122. miked63

    May 1, 2010 at 12:30 am


  123. Djp1899

    May 1, 2010 at 12:36 am

    I’m a Mets fan…I’ve posted here before because I think this is one of the better blogs in baseball.

    I’m glad the rivalry’s back. I enjoy the trash talking as long as it’s intelligent. The Phils still scare the shit out of me and I won’t be content as long as you’re less than 15 games back. Long season, boys.

  124. miked63

    May 1, 2010 at 12:58 am

    djp1899 : finally an intelligent mets fan. i also enjoy good spirited conversation with mets fans. however earlier tnite a few caused me to get out of character. ( read some of my earlier posts ) with metsfanforlife , he came on here insulting phillies fans making no sense.
    if the situation were exactly opposite the last 3 years the last thing i would do is go on a mets blog and brag cause i won a game april 30th.
    that being said , if santana gets some help at the top of the rotation i think the mets have a shot. however i posted above this was the best april the phils had the last 4 years and were pretty banged up. i still think when its all said and done phils will win 93 to 96 games this year. do u think the mets can really make that kind of turn around. how many games did they win last year? i know theres a few good new pieces this year , but how many wins do u think they can pull off ?

  125. Metssss Fan for life

    May 1, 2010 at 1:02 am

    This is a COMPLETLEY different Met’s squad.

    We essentialy added Jason Bay, Jeff, Jose, Barajas, Davis to a lineup that was anemic last year due to injury, not to mention Beltran will be back imo after the all star break. Our lineup is just as good if not better than the Phillies. Our bullpen did not include igarashi, nieve, takahasi, mejia (all key components to the pen) and our rotation is now healthy and includes Niese. I really do not see how mike, you are comparing this Met’s team to last year or whenever… this is a vastly improved team. the phillies have gotten better too though imo. Halladay and Lee is essentially a wash, but Halladay is obviousally better. Polanco is a big time upgrade over feliz (he is horrible), but jamie moyer is now 102 and the phils bullpen woes were not addressed. to say its an automatic that the phils will win the nl east, is iddiotic. The Mets are, of course!

  126. miked63

    May 1, 2010 at 1:14 am

    you couldn’t find one writer , commentator , or educated unbiased fan to say the mets line up is better than the phillies . only the yankees have the same firepower. your basing your argument over one week. go thru the lineups 1 thru 8 and compare all the players stats over the last couple years for the SEASON not a week and its not close. please try and be intelligent about this , i’m 47 years old and i dont want to talk on these blogs like high school kids. just look up the numbers , if peter gammons , jason stark , or any UNBIASED person were honest about the line ups position by position the mets dont match up with the phillies . please just look up the numbers

  127. Metssss Fan for life

    May 1, 2010 at 1:31 am


    did you really just call stark unbiased…. he is a PHILLIES FAN! wow. Gammons hates the Mets…. he’s a sox fan (1986 =). anyway, i really don’t see how anyone can say the phillies have a much better lineup…. they do not. last year murphy started in lf, now it is an all star, Jason Bay. We had Church in rf, now it is Jeff, 1b, Ike Davis is one of our best prospects he has endless potential imo, david wright bulked up over the summer and looks phenomenal, baraja is and blanco handle the pitchers EXTREMLEY well, not to mention rod has pop in his bat (unlike santos/schneider) and JOSE REYES is back and healthy and ready to go. what don’t you understand??????

    the phillies have a GREAT lineup….. nothing against their lineup at all. but let’s be real

    1) raul ibanez came over to the NL and nobody knew him so he tore it up…. different second half and different beg hmmmm
    2) polanco although tremendously overpaid is perfect for phils lineup good move by amaro
    3) ryan howard, i am not a fan…. kills rallies, can’t hit lefties for crap, but he has some serious pop…. not worth 125 m but whatever
    4) chase utley and werth are gamers
    5) rollins will be rollins
    6) victorino is a nice complimentary player.
    7) ruiz is average

    but the key is RAUL IBANEZ….. 37 years old. i personally think he will suck this year, but we will see. if he sucks thats a huge difference from last year. he was essential to that lineup.

  128. Glutenous

    May 1, 2010 at 5:04 am

    Yes, the Phillies went 11-9 last April. They went 16-13 in 08. WON THE WFC IN 08, and the NL last year. April means nothing. The Phillies are traditionally not that great in April. Not having Happ and Blanton is monumental to this pitching staff, and I think that the plug needs to be pulled on KK. Why not let Figgy be the 5th starter or, hell, dare I say even Contreras for that matter. I do agree with one post earlier that it is completely necessary for us to at least look into signing Pedro again. If this slump continues more than a week or so into May I think that maybe, just maybe we may have a reason to start thinking about worrying. Also, please do not allow yourselves to be butt-hurt by ignorant Mess fans. If they cannot contribute to an intelligent conversation about baseball and just talk about how trashy the city of Philadelphia is and just shit talk, they deserve to be ignored. Getting upset is exactly the result they desire. Just ignore these fools.

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