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2010 Gameday

Gameday: Phillies (11-8) at Giants (11-8)

Philadelphia Phillies (11-8) at San Francisco Giants (11-8)

Jamie Moyer (2-1, 5.00 ERA) vs. Todd Wellemeyer (0-3, 8.16 ERA)

Time: 10:10 p.m at AT&T Park
TV: Comcast SportsNet
Weather: Cloudy with showers possible, 53
Twitter: @philliesnation

Yes, I know it’s April.

Yes, I know the Phillies are still in first place in first place in the NL East despite injuries, shaky pitching and an offense as fickle as the Dow Jones industrial average.

But for several reasons, this is a must-win game for the Phillies. You don’t have to be Keith Law to figure that out. Just take a look at who pitched for the Giants last night: up-and-coming left-hander Jonathan Sanchez, who held the Phillies to one run. Then take a peek at who the Giants are handing the ball to tomorrow: two-time defending Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.

Teams want to avoid sweeps in any series, whether it’s April or September. And tonight the Phillies get a chance to pick up a win against Todd Wellemeyer, whose ERA is even higher than Ryan Madson’s 6.75 – which also happens to be Wellemeyer’s career ERA against the Phils. And if that’s not enough, here are the rest of Wellemeyer’s career splits vs. the Phillies: 0-2., 1.63 WHIP, .290 BAA, seven home runs allowed in 22 2/3 innings pitched.

As troubling as Monday’s loss was (after all, Roy Halladay has to settle for 32-1 instead of 33-0), there was one major bright spot. Shane Victorino went 3-for-5, including his first two doubles of the season, for only his second game of the season with more than two hits. No matter where he hits in the order, Victorino is an essential gear in the high-octane engine that is the Phillies’ offense; when he sheds his early-season slump, it will give the lineup a nitro boost.

One troubling thing that has emerged in the first month is the Phillies’ steep decline in steals. They rank second-to-last in the National League with a meager seven; the Nationals and Padres are tied for the most with 20. From 2007 to 2009, the Phillies stole 393 bases, behind only the Mets’ 460 in the NL.

LINEUP: CF Victorino, 3B Polanco, 2B Utley, 1B Howard, RF Werth, LF Ibanez, SS Castro, C Ruiz, P Moyer

Your gamenight beer: The very malty strong ale, Old Chub, is a Scottish ale that goes down very nicely. The can – it’s served in a can – has a nice kilt pattern on it.  Couldn’t you imagine Jamie Moyer in a kilt? Go get ‘em, old chub! Have this with some beef barley.

Go Phillies!



  1. Manny

    April 27, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Hey, the Dow has been going up and up!

  2. Martin Schneider

    April 27, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Manny – Well, true! I’ll be at the game, and I hope Moyer comes through.

  3. BurrGundy

    April 27, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Moyer will be spellbinding.

  4. Keegan

    April 27, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    Had no idea there was even a game last night. I seriously was 110% positive it was their off night. So when I see a post from the Phils Official Site on my news feed that says “Doc loses first; Phils fall 5-1”, I legitimately thought it was a joke for about 5 minutes. And the fact of the matter is, it sucks. But we’ll bounce back. Hopefully tonight! Howard and Raul come up big, are my predictions, and Jamie keeps this offense off balance just like he did last time out.

  5. Manny

    April 27, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    Unleash the lefties!

  6. Manny

    April 27, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Looks like the Mets are joining us at the top on the division standings. Part of me is actually excited that we might get this rivalry back… and just in time for our first series against them.

  7. David, the Mets fan from Queens

    April 27, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    The Mets have been playing inspiring and, most importantly, winning baseball. This weekend’s series will be exciting. I’m debating if I should make the short, but exciting trip down I-95.

    I’ll make sure to avoid Camden, NJ.

    What is happening to the Atlanta Braves?

    I know that it’s still very early in the 2010 season, but Mets fans and Phillies fans alike must look forward to battle this weekend at CBP.

  8. Laura

    April 27, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    I hope the Phillies saved the receipt….

  9. Andrew

    April 27, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    125 million for that

    oh boy

    thats tongue in cheek


  10. Keegan

    April 27, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    That was absolutely embarrassing. Wheels hit it right on the head.

  11. Keegan

    April 27, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Should be 1-0 right now. Shaken heads all around.

  12. Andrew

    April 27, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Actually it is the most embarrassing play. If Werth does it its something I n ever forget
    Th Mets are sweeping. We may well not be in first place coming back home for the mets series.

  13. j

    April 27, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    im watching the game on gamecast..what just happened

  14. Keegan

    April 27, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    j, Howard hits a roper down the right field line, looks like a double all the way. Howard gets lazy, pulls into second slowly, and standing up, and Renteria applies a quick tag on him. Out at second. Kinda like what Werth does sometimes to dyed in the wool singles when the ball gets to him fast, throws a strike to second base to make it close. Except worse, cause it happened to us. And it happened because of laziness.

  15. Andrew

    April 27, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    Aubrey huff homer

    The howard play is the most embarrassing by a phillies player in a few years.
    He simply didnt hustle on a ball that rattled around in the out field corner in one of the biggest stadium in baseball.
    It was a disgrace simply put and he shuold have done it the day before the big contract. not the day after

  16. Mulvi

    April 27, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Let’s just hope that the one run is the extent of Jaime’s bad inning.

  17. Andrew

    April 27, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    I am curious to see how the old man handles this. He has benched Rollins for not hustling a few times before. If he is going to be consistant will have to bench Howard also.

  18. Andrew

    April 27, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Phillies pitchers arent giving up cheapies this west coast swing. These are bombs.

  19. David, the Mets fan from Queens

    April 27, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    What did Howard do that was so deplorable, guys? My MLB.TV isn’t working for some reason.

  20. j

    April 27, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    pitching needs to step it up.. whens blanton due back

  21. Keegan

    April 27, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Dave, read above post.

  22. Andrew

    April 27, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Ruiz banged up

    Trust me. he is the ONE player this team cannot lose.
    More than Utley even.
    A Ruiz injury and I could see this team not making playoffs.

  23. Mulvi

    April 27, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Oh god I hope Chooch is alright!

  24. Keegan

    April 27, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    The best double play I’ve ever seen.

  25. Andrew

    April 27, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    OMG thats as all time DP
    I like castro alot.

  26. Mulvi

    April 27, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    Wow! HOW THE F*** DID HE DO THAT?!?!

  27. jordo

    April 27, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    check out this article that features placido

  28. HotDogs

    April 27, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    juuuuuuuuuust a bit outside
    as called by Bob Uecker (sp?)

  29. Jeff of Nova

    April 27, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Explain to me why this team still employs Ibanez?

    Oh yeah that is right he has a crappy contract

  30. Manny

    April 27, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Howard should get benched for that play! Dude you just got the biggest contract in franchise history!! And Charlie benched Jimmy for not hustling a couple years ago… so….

  31. Keegan

    April 27, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    These stranded runners…costing us as always.

  32. BurrGundy

    April 27, 2010 at 11:19 pm


  33. Mulvi

    April 27, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Where did the bats go?

  34. AGH

    April 27, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Phils are now 0 for their last 17 with RISP going back to the 8th inning of Sunday’s game at Arizona. Stunning.

  35. Andrew

    April 27, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    You know with Howards embarrasing non hustle play the phils will lose by 1.
    Question is will it be 2-1 or 15-14?

  36. greg

    April 27, 2010 at 11:37 pm


  37. Jeff of Nova

    April 27, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    We need Rollins back to bring in some much needed fire to our lineup.

    Vic needs to go to patience school

    Ibanez just looks off and out of sync since the start of the season.

    Ben Francisco should not see the batters box, at all, he is one man rally killer.

    Utley is in a funk, he needs guys around him to pick up till he comes out.

    The MO of this team the last 4 years is one work STREAKY!! We are now on the funk streak. Need to win ugly.

  38. Jeff of Nova

    April 27, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Well 3rd time through lineup….. THey have figured out ole Jamie….

    Sadly we do not have another starter, we have to bring the Reliever to Start. Anyone who disagrees with Moyer not being reliever material should watch the last couple of batters he has faced, the good ones firgure it out

    The flood gates open

  39. joe

    April 27, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    they’re going to be 11-11 by the time they get home for the mets series.

  40. mg52

    April 27, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    As Sarge said, Sandoval just put a tough pitch in play. That’s what a low-offense team like the Giants has to do. The Phils need to do some more of that – hitting it where it’s pitched…as long as it’s pitched somewhere in the zone. Because they’re the ones who really are low-offense now.

  41. joe

    April 27, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    do you think the philliesnation will give props to vic tonight?

    they seem to never talk about games like this when he pops up weakly in almost every at bat

  42. j

    April 27, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    they cant even hit this pitcher and hes a bum

  43. Andrew

    April 27, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    ok maybe they will lose by more than 1 run

    Nice to see Mets fans emboldened again. will they be comng back here now? It is always funny to me. they beat up on the cubs and Astros and dodgers team without Manny that lost 1-0 to the nats a few days ago.
    But hey the Mets are great again. Maybe there will be some juice for this weekends series. The mets havent mattered in a very long time now.

  44. Andrew

    April 27, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Ibanez needs to be benched. He was dropped in my fantasy league. this is not something new. Ever since the hot streak to begin last year he has sucked. I guess the old man wont ever bench a player though.

  45. Jeff of Nova

    April 27, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    We need to just find ways to win, till Blanton, Happ, Rollins and Lidge are off DL. Then we will be fine.

    I still have issues with Moyer starting, but guess that is not going to change unless they go get Pedro again, Kendrick is not a viable replacement and we have NO BUDDY in LHV to replace him or anyone close to being ready. The Price of Halladay/Lee oh well rather have Halladay.

    What makes Moyer better is if Halladay/Hamels/Blanton/Happ pitch well then the bullpen will not be taxed

  46. Thunder Lips

    April 27, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    The Phils offense looks lifeless: no clutch hitting, too many strikeouts, letting the pitchers getting much more confidence than they deserve. It’s really sad to see. Hopefully bringing the mets into town this weekend will wake them up. It makes me sad they started out so hot and now they can’t buy a run. This pitching the offense is seeing really isn’t that good. Utley looks clueless tonight.

  47. Keegan

    April 27, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    Honestly? This team looks bad right now. Really bad. Like…horrible.

    I know its a slump and I know it won’t last the whole season. But it’s like…hard to watch.

  48. joe

    April 27, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    my god..
    tood wellemyer is shutting them down.

  49. Jeff of Nova

    April 27, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    He parked Ibanez last night for Francisco, and Ben was a one man rally killer all night, Halladay would have had a shot at winning if they could have done something with RISP

  50. Jeff of Nova

    April 27, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Keegan I agree, its painful to watch!

    This is a bad streak hopefully the bleeding will stop soon

  51. Andrew

    April 27, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Todd Welemeyer.
    I forgot the phillies always struggle against the worst pitcher on any given team. i said last year the Phils are lucky in the playoffs because they face good teams with good pitchers. The skell pitchers always look good vs the phils.

  52. tim

    April 27, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    I see a trend growing…last year according to phillies fans the ibanez signing was a great deal for the team…this year the phillies would love to unload him: this year the phillies fans are trying to convince themselves (despite what everyone else is saying) the howard deal is great….we will see what your saying next year and beyond…

  53. Terri

    April 28, 2010 at 12:03 am

    What makes it worse is that Jamie is not even pitching bad. He is keeping them in the game. With a offense like this they should be able to score 3 runs.

  54. Jeff of Nova

    April 28, 2010 at 12:05 am

    When Ibanez hurt himself last year that was what many, majority of the people thought was the reason for his slump, Now there is no excuse except age. So it is not a trend just reality, Some signings are great Ibanez’s was good for last year horrible for this and next know we need to resign Werth.
    Last year at this time Werth was thought of as a Top tier player in the league, things change

  55. Jeff of Nova

    April 28, 2010 at 12:07 am

    6 innings 4 runs that is not bad for Moyer, and 5th starter, sadly right now he is our 3rd, that is NOT good.

    We need to get healthy or start hitting like crazy to compensate for our pitching

  56. HotDogs

    April 28, 2010 at 12:07 am

    5…yes 5….5 pitches. Unbelievable.

  57. Nunzio Scholeri

    April 28, 2010 at 12:08 am

    I have never understood this pattern, but the Phillies have such a frustrating tendency of making terrible pitchers look like aces. Wellemeyer’s control has been terrible, and the Phillies are taking sad swings at first pitches and looking absolutely incompetent. It is painful to watch.

  58. AGH

    April 28, 2010 at 12:09 am

    Welp, unless there’s an 8th-inning trade that sends Madson to SF, put this one in the book. I’m pretty sure ours is the only bullpen capable of blowing this lead.

  59. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:09 am

    Cy Wellemyer needed 5 pitches to retire the side that inning. It was 6 the inning before.
    Ibanez is signed through next year. WOW
    It looks bad now. this happens every year. My biggest concern with this club is still the bullpen. And they havent even flared up like a pack of hemmoriuds et this year.

  60. HotDogs

    April 28, 2010 at 12:10 am

    If Shane hits one more pop up I think he should be made to drop and give us 20!

  61. Keegan

    April 28, 2010 at 12:13 am

    Yeah I’m off to bed. 11 pitches in the last two innings for Wellemeyer is what did it for me. All the stuff that made us successful- patience at the plate, waiting for your pitch, hustle- it’s all gone. Out the window. First pitch popping up, second pitch grounding out…it’s disgusting. And I’m upset. But we’ll get through it. And hopefully we’ll go home and kick the Mets nice and hard and we’ll be good.


  62. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:16 am

    OK I need to turn this off.
    do I really have to watch tomorrows game?
    I hope its one of the good giants pitchers so maybe there is a chance.
    Howard set the tempo for this game with his non hustle crap play
    this is as bad as it gets.

  63. Keegan

    April 28, 2010 at 12:16 am

    Jesus. I’m glad i turned it off. This is disgraceful.

  64. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Oh man utley throwing error
    good time to goto bed keegan
    this is REALLy bad looking

  65. Jeff of Nova

    April 28, 2010 at 12:19 am

    wow you spoke too soon about the bullpen

  66. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:20 am

    Holy cow. I just noticed that the phillies play tongiht is so poor. The worst ive seen in years. That i havent noticed how bad Wheeler is.

  67. glutenous

    April 28, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Moyer pretty much gave us what is expected of him. This offense does look very bad right now. A championship team should not be held down to 3 hits in the 7th by todd wellemeyer. I’m sorry but this is horrid. We are making this shmuck look like tim lincecum. I wonder what will happen when we actually have to face lincecum tomorrow.

    Watching this game, I cannot figure out if I’m watching the back to back nl champs or a mid 1990s 70 win calibre phillies team. Upsetting, really.

  68. Second Place

    April 28, 2010 at 12:21 am

    The season is over…

  69. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:24 am

    i just looked and its Lincecum tomorrow. Watch they will hit him.
    Pronlem is we have Jamels pitching so we probabaly need at leat 7 runs to have a chance.

  70. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Need a spell check here.
    We finally got them to remove Cy Wellemeyer. His best outing of the season of course. Probably of his entire career.

  71. Jeff of Nova

    April 28, 2010 at 12:29 am

    Not that this is a rally,

    But Rally killer Francisco is up

  72. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Ruiz gets a rally started. Of course. but now its victorino

  73. Jeff of Nova

    April 28, 2010 at 12:30 am

    There is a god LOL

  74. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Get off bens back he got a hit and didnt get thrown out walking to second base lol

  75. glutenous

    April 28, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Frisco with the ribby! F*** yeah.

  76. Jeff of Nova

    April 28, 2010 at 12:31 am

    I remember on this blog that someone actually posted that we should trade Werth and put Francisco in right LOL

    I still laugh about that

  77. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:32 am

    3 pitches to shane for the K

  78. Jeff of Nova

    April 28, 2010 at 12:32 am

    Come on Polly

  79. Jeff of Nova

    April 28, 2010 at 12:33 am

    hey Vic is trying to efficient

  80. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Does he sit howard vs lincecum?
    He would if it was anyone else who did that

  81. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:33 am

    theres polly with the DP
    I agree the phils are efficient

  82. Jeff of Nova

    April 28, 2010 at 12:34 am

    wow this team is struggling

  83. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:35 am

    I just caught the top of this thread. Wellemeyer came in with an 0-3 record and an 8.13 ERA
    I should have moved to vegas to bet against the phillies in these situations.

    Thats a mortal lock.

  84. Jeff of Nova

    April 28, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Howard is the only tonight with more than 1 hit.

    If he is not sitting Vic for his lack of production and generally sucking at the plate, and Ibanez well for being Ibanez, and Utley for looking like a fish out of water and Polly for hitting into inning ending DPs. well then he doesn’t sit Howard.

    Maybe we forfeit tomorrow get a early flight back have a come to Jesus moment in the locker room:)

    Cause if they do this tomorrow they are going to get embarrassed

  85. Jeff of Nova

    April 28, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Nice era Romero, has gotten anyone out yet this year LOL

  86. glutenous

    April 28, 2010 at 12:40 am

    As if tonight wasn’t embarassing enough?

  87. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:41 am

    But he has always in the past benched players for non hustle.
    The howard play was the most/worst non hustle play I may have ever seen.
    At least we are having some fun here and laughing because this is brutal and yes ladies and gentleman the mets are in first place now.

    Barring a phillies 5 run rally in ninth. I am not holding my breath.

  88. MikeB.

    April 28, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Just got home and found out the score and for some reason or another, it does not surprise me with the current trend of the pitching and hitting. Wonder if the return home will change anything? Need to get all of the injured players back and playing.

  89. Tadahito Iguchi

    April 28, 2010 at 12:45 am

    I would have made it in safely.

  90. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:45 am

    and utley thrown out at second


  91. glutenous

    April 28, 2010 at 12:45 am

    The mets were in first for a time early last season too.

  92. Jeff of Nova

    April 28, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Actually I think most of our team has already taken the flight back to Philly, at least mentally

  93. Tadahito Iguchi

    April 28, 2010 at 12:46 am

    What a perfect play by the perfect player!

  94. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:46 am

    I really am in shock
    this is bad.
    Thats the golden boy this time
    he was hustling though

  95. Tadahito Iguchi

    April 28, 2010 at 12:46 am

    After the game, Utley is going to walk across McCovey’s Cove.

  96. Jeff of Nova

    April 28, 2010 at 12:48 am

    okay I am out this is over

    See you all maybe tomorrow, for the final of this debacle of a series. If water coolers don’t start flying around the locker room, then this team will be getting spanked again

  97. Tadahito Iguchi

    April 28, 2010 at 12:48 am

    If we were allowed to criticize Utley on these boards. I would declare that and his error in the 7th as shit-tastic.

  98. MikeB.

    April 28, 2010 at 12:49 am

    In recent years, the Phillies have not played well in San Francisco but these last two games may have taken things to a lower level.

  99. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:49 am

    And now we face Timmy in 15 hours.
    Have fun in haight ashbury tongiht boys. Remember weed is legal out there.
    That may explain alot of this.

  100. Jeff of Nova

    April 28, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Whoever is possing as Iguchi is smoking the Herb

  101. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 12:54 am

    IMO Howard is the jeltz

  102. MikeB.

    April 28, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Some game, some road trip, fellow posters. They ought to bring Brown and Mayberry Jr. up to replace Ibanez and Victorino for awhile. These two veterans are not doing anything right now anyway. Let the young guys get some experience in the “bigs”.

  103. Mets2010NLChamps

    April 28, 2010 at 1:07 am

    So this joke of an offense is facing “The Freak” tomorrow and the choke artist herself aka Princess Cole is pitching for the Shitties …I mean Phillies tomorrow.The view from the top is great.See you bums Friday.Go Mets!

  104. Andrew

    April 28, 2010 at 1:14 am

    Eventually Beltout will be abck and doom the Mess again. I do hate when they have players that care. But it wont last. You are still the Mess.

  105. Phyan

    April 28, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Bringing up Brown right now is not a good idea.

  106. glutenous

    April 28, 2010 at 1:24 am

    Haha like I said earlier, let then enjoy that view from the top. Remember when they were in first in june last year? That lasted. Ill be at the game against the mets on Saturday. I went to see the phillies mets on july 4th last season and it was a nice 2 for the phils. Let’s keep the streak alive.

  107. glutenous

    April 28, 2010 at 1:25 am

    Correction, I will be at sundays game.

  108. MikeB.

    April 28, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Just for a few games for experience until the other guys get their batting eyes back again, otherwise, I agree.

  109. BurrGundy

    April 28, 2010 at 1:41 am


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