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Phillies Bullpen Can’t Hold Lead for Kendrick

Stop me if you’ve heard this one last year.

The Phillies took a 3-0 lead into the eighth inning, but a win was not in store as the bullpen wasted a great performance from the starting pitching and sent the Phillies to a heart-breaking 4-3 loss.

Kyle Kendrick pitched like somebody who had read that their job was in question. After a couple of terrible starts to start the season, Kendrick pitched 8 innings of shutout baseball that included a mere four hits and two walks to go along with a pair of strikeouts, but his night would not finish with a W.

However, Ryan Madson gave people one more thing to talk about. After recording two outs in the ninth, Madson gave up back-to-back home runs to Troy Glaus and rookie slugger, Jason Heyward that tied the game and sent it into extra innings.

With the first batter in the bottom of the 10th inning, Jose Contreras delivered a pitch on a 2-2 count that Nate McLouth dropped right into the right field seats, giving the Braves a 4-3 win, and sending the Phillies to their third straight loss.

The bullpen took the attention off of Kendrick’s great start, allowing three of the final five batters to leave the yard.

The sinker was working in Kendrick’s favor as he was able to put together 14 groundballs. None were bigger than an inning-ending double-play ball off the bat of Troy Glaus that ended the Braves lone threat in the game. With the bases loaded in the fourth, Kendrick got Glaus to send one over to Placido Polanco who quickly turned the 5-4-3 and kept the Braves off the scoreboard for the time being.

On the offensive side of the game, the Phillies bats didn’t do much, but it seemed as if they had down enough after eight innings. Chase Utley put together a 2-5 evening with a pair of RBIs and a run scored. Utley’s run came off an infield single that Ryan Howard managed to push through the infield shift as the ball went off of the glove of Troy Glaus. Polanco also managed to put together another two-hit effort as he saw his batting average rise over .400 again. The only Phillie who didn’t get a hit was Carlos Ruiz, who went 0-4.

Hopefully Roy Halladay can stop the bleeding tomorrow night as all of a sudden the Phillies have dropped three straight and four of their last five games.



  1. Steve

    April 20, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Relief Pitching — Phillies have none — real clutch hitting — still lacking — Ryan is becoming more like a “McNabbBaseball Clone” every time I look at him — good but just not great — lacking something that would move him into “the great ones!”

  2. drtyjerz

    April 20, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    holy God this team blows. no heart whatsoever. 3rd place finish in the NL East this year. amaro killed a champion in 2 offseasons.

  3. bobby

    April 20, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    this team SUCKS


  4. Tom

    April 20, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    The bullpen – They are who we thought they were. Looks like a long season is in store.

  5. WFC010

    April 20, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    drtyjerz, how’s your brother mikemike doing?

    Hopefully Halladay can give us a complete game tomorrow.

  6. Scotch Man

    April 20, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Someone take over for me. I’m in the bag…..

  7. Phylan

    April 20, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    This comment thread is pretty hilarious, good work all around everyone

  8. bobby

    April 20, 2010 at 10:50 pm


  9. David

    April 20, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Steve – come on – how can you say that Howard is not great? Do you know how many teams would like to have a cleanup hitter that hits 45 HR’s and 130/140 RBI every year. Everybody, please back off from the ledge. It is really early.

  10. maxhole

    April 20, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    i wanted to be cynical, but five negative comments in a row can’t be had. i’ll just keep repeating “it’s one game in a long season” until the wins roll in again. on the other hand, madson is embarrassing. he’s been reliably mental since lidge started blowing saves last year. still, i trust that a few good wins will grow the pen’s confidence.

  11. WFC010

    April 20, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Have to love how a lot of these jackass trolls come out of the woodwork whenever we have a bad ending to a game like this.

  12. Paujoe

    April 20, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    Madson is a great 8th inning pitcher, but isn’t built for the 9th. Period. Need lodge soon or have to pny up for a true closer.

  13. philsgirl

    April 20, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    Thanks for breaking up the succession of negative comments with platitudes, maxhole. Wish I could rx myself Valium right now. To Scott in D.C. of the prev. thread, Charlie has trouble thinking *in* the box. KK finally shows some stuff; the offense gives us a lead.. Madson should be hanging his head, and probably his likeness will be hanging in effigy somewhere in S. Philly tonight. Before the season began I saw the Braves taking the division. I really hope I’m proven wrong, ’cause – and this is directed at somone named Ruben – yours is really the image to be hanging in effigy. It’s not just anger, it’s disgust.

  14. philsgirl

    April 20, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    Oh, and feel free to tell me to shut up; this is one of the most heartbreaking losses we’ve had in a while, completely unnecessary, and to our main adversary right now.

  15. Phylan

    April 20, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    It’s a 162 game season, good lord people. This will not be the only losing streak, nor the only blown save, nor the only walk-off surrendered. Pull yourselves together, it’s downright embarrassing.

  16. Brian Sr. of CO

    April 20, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    Forget about drtyjerz and bobby, they are obviously trolls. Come on “THEY SUCK AND WILL FINISH BEHIND THE METS”…”3rd place finish in the NL East this year.” after just 3 losses in a row. Um excuse me IDIOTS, do you recall last season and what the record of each team was. After April, the Phillies were in 4th place. Count that again. FOURTH. that would be BEHIND the Marlins, Braves and Mets. We are TIED for first right now. Either way, this was a HORRIBLE loss. And to think Madson almost didnt sign the contract before last season because we wanted to be a closer. LOL. I would feel bad for whatever team picks him up as a closer.

  17. Philly Texan

    April 20, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    The first few comments have got to be a joke. One bad loss and people are predicting third-place finish. Jesus, y’all calm the F down.

    Obviously this was a tough loss. First real tough one to swallow this season. There will be others. We need a good outing from Halladay tomorrow after a night like that.

    On the plus side, a nice effort from Kendrick. Too bad it was wasted. But that bodes well for future starts. Just like Hamels’ good outing on Sunday. In the long run, those are big positives.

    So, cheer up. It’s only April still and the typical April Phillies have finally shown up. They’ll get hot. And they’re still the favorites.

  18. philsgirl

    April 20, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    But you put together the streak, the blown save with two outs in the 9th, and the walk-off, and the comments are perfectly understandable, even if there are new name “trolls.”

  19. drtyjerz

    April 20, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    when the team goes out and lays a turd like they did tonight, expect philly fans to spew some hate. its real, driven by the true feelings that puke-stain performances like tonight’s inspire. that “it’s a long season” positivity after something as ugly as tonight just doesnt do it for me, feels empty.

  20. I

    April 20, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Madson and this entire bullpen are DEADBEATS! Amaro is worse.

  21. philsgirl

    April 20, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    I was so looking forward to celebrating a fabulous KK outing.. I’m not losing sight of *that*. But “cheer up” falls a bit short right now. Maybe tomorrow; it’s another day.

  22. Brian Sr. of CO

    April 20, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    Sorry, but I really dont think Ruben is to blame at all for this loss. Come on, are you kidding me? We do NOT have the “worst” bullpen in the majors, thats for sure. Not very good right now, but to say “amaro killed a champion in 2 offseasons” means several things. #1, you dont know very much about baseball. #2 you forgot Ruben going out and getting Lee, Ben Fran, AND Pedro (sent Moyer to the bullpen). #3, you completely forgot the Phillies won the NL last year. #4, you forgot the team they lost too was “the best team MONEY can buy”. #5, HE SIGNED ROY HALLADAY TO AN EXTENSION!. If anyone on here bashes Ruben for destroying a champion, or being horrible, you have NO right (thats ZERO right) to cheer on Halladay like he is your god. Annoying yes, but Phylan is correct. Knock it off.

  23. Chuck

    April 20, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Yoy people are NUTS!! Please, for the love of Christ, calm down everyone. Sh!t like this happens ALLLL the time….look at last year….and we went to the World Series.

    You people need to seriously get ahold of yourselves. And BurrGundy, if you’re there, I responded to your childish temper tantrum in the other thread. Grow up. Seriously. All of you are downright embarrassing.

  24. Brian Sr. of CO

    April 20, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Sadly, I am still predicting a 1-0 loss tomorrow.

  25. Brian Sr. of CO

    April 20, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Chuck, “All of you are downright embarrassing.” All of us are? Are you sure?

  26. Scotch Man

    April 20, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Trade for Heath Bell! Bottom line. OK. Time to smoke myself stupid with Weed Man.

  27. Chuck

    April 20, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    And so what. If it’s a 1-0 loss, then it’s a 1-0 loss. STILL doesn’t mean jacksh!t. We’re STILL the team to beat in this division!! You all need to just relax and appreciate what we DO have….instead of bitching about what we don’t.

  28. Chuck

    April 20, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    Not you, Brian Sr. Phylan, too. a few others tonight. But MOST of you are acting like spoiled children.

  29. Brian Sr. of CO

    April 20, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    FYI for the people about the jump off the bridge, you do realize, if the Phillies win tomorrow, they are back in SOLE possesion of first place right? Didnt think so. Did you also realize the Phillies had a LOSING record at home going INTO the All Star Break. Did you also realize the Phillies had a LOSING records against the Braves last season? I didnt think so. Be pissed, but calm down.

  30. bobby

    April 20, 2010 at 11:24 pm


  31. Chuck

    April 20, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    Nobody said we were going wire to wire this year. The Braves are a good team. So are the Marlins. But the Phillies are BETTER. Start believing that.

  32. philsgirl

    April 20, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    Ben Fran in the same sentence as Cliff Lee and Pedro? Really?

  33. Chuck

    April 20, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    “HE SUCKS”

    Yeah, until he wins games for us ….then he’s basically God.

    Typical front-runner.

  34. Chuck

    April 20, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    Because all three guys were guys that Ruben went out and got last year to help us win a pennant. So, yeah…..”in the same sentence” is appropriate.

  35. Brian Sr. of CO

    April 20, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    LOL, just checking Chuck. I think it will take Charlie FLIPPING OUT to get this team to buckle down and do what they did in the first week, which is have plate discipline, and reduce striking out. Lets not forget J-Roll is still out. Coincendnce that the Offense died when J-Roll went out? I dont think so. Vid is filling in pretty good as a lead off, and Castro as Short, but I think go back to normal and offense will do better.

  36. bobby

    April 20, 2010 at 11:34 pm



  37. Brian Sr. of CO

    April 20, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    bobby, you are an idiot. He hits homers in the 5th, so of which are 1 run games. Did you know if Howard hit a homer in the 5th inning and the Phillies win by one, HE helped win the game. Get a life.

  38. jeff

    April 20, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    I can’t say anything or chuckie gets mad. They are a overrated team. Maybe howard can hit when the games are big. No pitching. This team can beat the nats and stros. Jr ruined pats team.

  39. Chuck

    April 20, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    Here’s the thing….Lidge comes back… you automatically just put him in closing situations?? At fist, I thought no….that you need to ease him back. But, now, unless Madson seriously does a 180….I think Lidge is the guy.

  40. George

    April 20, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    Madson needs to compare this years tapes with some videos of himself from 2008, because his last two seasons have been less than great. Too many walks, too many long balls.

    I don’t think it’s a lack of the “closer mentality.” I think perhaps teams have started to figure out his pitching patterns, or maybe he’s tipping his pitches. Whatever the problem is, I hope he gets it straightened out QUICK.

    A very good game by Kendrick. I think his first two starts were the anomalies. He won’t pitch very many like this one, but he’ll likely do much better than those two clunkers. He’s not the minor leaguer so many people seem to want him to be. His major league won-loss record is actually quite a bit over .500. Maybe he doesn’t have a lot of strikeouts, but who cares if he wins games.

  41. mg52

    April 20, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    Let’s be reasonable. This is one loss in the first month of the year with both the Phils and the Braves still trying to find themselves. Tougher losses we’ve seen over the years. This team has the character to overcome it.
    With that being said, it should also have the talent to overcome it. Tonight’s loss brings to light the ongoing bullpen issues, as everybody’s said. If the Reds or the Padres are out of the race in a few months, Francisco Cordero or Heath Bell could be on the block – and could be here too. Madson isn’t right for the closer’s role, at least at the moment. The best we can hope for is that Lidge will come back strong. Let’s let that hope carry us through this tough night. If he doesn’t, then the front office can’t hesitate to move on. It seems like a while since the ninth inning was fairly secure – it shouldn’t stay that way if this team wants to be back in the Fall Classic.
    When the dust settles – and even if the Phils loses a season’s worth of games like this – I still will love this team, as we all do now.

  42. mg52

    April 20, 2010 at 11:40 pm


  43. MikeB.

    April 20, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    It is just a shame that the relief pitching blew this one for Kendrick and the team against a team that most Phillies fans love to hate. The win was in the bag. Madson and Contreras threw the ball right down the pike on the home runs. Cannot do that, especially against a hard hitting team like the Braves I agree with those who post that Madson is no closer; he is a setup relief pitcher. Most teams probably would have won that game against the Phils in the same situation facing the poor quality relief pitching that Atlanta seen tonight. Just one, early game but still sad, sad, sad.

  44. philsgirl

    April 20, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Again, a game is just as important whether in April or September. Let me know when I should start caring, and I’ll mark it on my calendar. And highlight the ones when we play our division rivals. There’s a little something amiss as a Phils fan one doesn’t vent after a game like tonight’s. Best you can do is try to sleep it off, but looking at the positives alone is as abnormal as the optimists’ trying to ignore the obvious pain of the game.

  45. Chuck

    April 20, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    jeff, I’m not gonna get mad. I’m just amazed that you CONSTANTLY have NOTHING good to say about the Phillies…..EVER.

    If “Jr ruined” pats team”…then explain to me how they got to the World Series last year??

  46. Chuck

    April 20, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Yeah, this game counts just as much as a game in Sept…and it was a tough loss. But we all need to try to get some sleep and realize that the sun shines anew on the baseball world again tomorrow.

  47. Nunzio Scholeri

    April 20, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    I’m as pissed off as the rest of you, but I try to remind myself that winning even 2/3 of the games you play in a season almost never happens. Last season we started far worse, our team wasn’t as good overall, and we still made it to the world series. I don’t see any reason to be genuinely afraid (yet) this year.

  48. keng

    April 20, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    great we were up 3-0 – great kendrick could do what he did in atlanta with them playing the nat league champs and loaded for bear! – but clear as day madson does not have what it takes to close – and contraras is not ready for those relief situations either – please, please charlie and rueben figure something out so we dont lose lots of games like this this year and risk disheartening so many and not accomplishing what everyone on this team and in this city hopes to accomplish this year!!

  49. Chuck

    April 20, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    This is a long, long season folks…..full of plenty of ups and downs along the way. And remind yourself of this: You’re NOT the fans of the Orioles or the Pirates or the Padres, among others.

  50. MikeB.

    April 20, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    I agree with philsgirl. The loss is not the end of the world but you want to win those games against division rivals and especially against those division rivals who are predicted to be your closest competitors, no matter what part of the season in which they may occur. Granted, the Phillies bullpen is missing a couple of top pitchers but you have to try to step up and nail down these “big” games no matter who is pitching. The offense should have put a few more runs on the board tonight too.

  51. WFC010

    April 20, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Sometimes I almost wish we still had Larry Bowa here in some capacity, if only to chew out certain people when they really deserve it. The past 2 games would have fit that bill…

  52. Phylan

    April 20, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Has anyone actually looked at Madson’s 2009 numbers outside of the saves column? He had a fantastic season and nobody credits him for it.

  53. Chuck

    April 20, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Larry Bowa is a great baseball man. And he made his mark here in Philly. But, sadly, his act became old and it wore out its welcome here. I trust Charlie will do what is necessary to deal with his players as he sees fit. It’s worked pretty well so far.

  54. WFC010

    April 20, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Fantastic season as a setup man you mean, not as a closer.

  55. Chuck

    April 20, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    Absolutely. The Phillies were very smart to lock him up when they did. In this day and age of bullpen guys that come and go, Madson has actually been very consistent. This is a young season and he will be fine in the right capacity.

  56. MikeB.

    April 21, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Some of the players would not take too well to Bowa as was the case with Biurrell and Rolen.

  57. George

    April 21, 2010 at 12:04 am

    To say Contreras is “not ready for those relief situations” is quite a bit premature. Tonight’s home run was the first run of any kind he’s even given up this year. It’s Madson who was the real downer here, and he’s a temporary solution, although so far, not a good one.

    Let’s hope Lidge comes back strong, because there is no way the Phils can afford Bell or Cordero.

    Last year the team still took the NL pennant, even with 25 blown saves. Not many teams can do that.

  58. Chuck

    April 21, 2010 at 12:09 am

    The fact is that all relief pitchers mess up sometimes. Contreras has been dominant this year until tonight. Stuff like this happens. I would have no problem putting him out there again in the exact situation. He’s a professional and knows how to make the necessary adjustments.

    Madson pissed me off tonight. But I still really love what the guy brings to this team. We need him and I believe he will win more games for us than he will lose.

  59. George

    April 21, 2010 at 12:25 am

    Madson is, in fact, usually a good reliever, but he always makes me extremely nervous, even as a set-up man. He seems too predictible at times. Even the best stuff can be hit if the batter is expecting it.

    Right now, though, there’s something totally wrong. His pitching like the ’09 Lidge, who had health problems. He’s given up runs this year in both save and non-save situations. Right now he’d be bad in middle relief, let alone set-up or closing.

    He’s a much needed pitcher. I hope he’s healthy, and he figures things out soon.

  60. TheRobSpecial

    April 21, 2010 at 12:37 am

    The Phils bullpen is just flat out bad. Not mediocre, certainly not good, just plain bad. They were stellar against the 2 worst teams in the NL, but they’re the worst teams in the NL. Against legitmate competition in close games, the Phils bullpen is among the worst in baseball. I’m not worried about the starters, and the lineup will wake up eventually. But the bullpen is not improving any time soon. If we’re not up by 5 or more runs in the 9th, we’re in trouble.

  61. Repeat!

    April 21, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Please don’t compare Ryan Howard to Don Won McNugget. Howard had an rbi single, just missed an 2out rbi double on a screamer that was caught by Glaus and he came with in 3 feet of a 3hr that would’ve iced the game. A someone said, Ryan does tip his pitches as a closer. The reason? Ryan Madson is lot more delibrate with his throwing motion and body language when he’s on the mound in the 9th going for the save. Opps know what’s coming. Sometimes even before Madson does because his pitch pattern is so predictable. This obviously concludes that he does not have the mental make-up to be a closer. No matter what he or Cholly says. I went to the 1st game of a DH against the Mets late last season. I forget the entire sequence. But Phils were up one in the 9th and David Wright was at the plate with one on or something. Ryan’s fast was smaked around in the app he had before that one. He must of tipped his pitch because on the 1st pitch, change up, Wright hit a moon shot to give the Mets the lead and the eventual win. Madson also is a little arrogant in save situations. It may be why he gives up so many 2 out bombs. Tonite it looked as though he stop pitching after he got the 1st 2 outs. Like this game over and I am going to finish this last guy off by blowing fbs by them. We all know that in today’s MLB everyone can hit the fastball. Especially fbs with no movement. He was squeezed a little by the ump when C. Jones was up. But its still no excuse to throw fbs right down the middle.

  62. Jim

    April 21, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Hate to be picky here but I have to point out how hard it must have been for Polanco to turn the “6-4-3 Double Play,” unless he was playing shortstop tonight.

  63. George

    April 21, 2010 at 12:56 am

    Where I’m at, I pick up the Braves broadcast. Don Sutton was announcing. He predicted Madson would throw a changeup as his “out pitch” to Heyward. Madson did, and the out-pitch indeed went out–of the park. If Sutton predicted the pitch, someone else probably did, too. Heyward was no doubt told to “look for the change-up.”

    I wonder if teams listen to some of the announcer’s comments. If they don’t, they should.

  64. George

    April 21, 2010 at 1:01 am

    I noticed that Polanco 6-4-3 double play, myself. I chose not to point it out because I needed that small laugher on a not very laughable night.

  65. fightinphils

    April 21, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Phisgirl am i going to have to read your bitchy comments all season? We are going to lose at least 60 more games this year just like every year before. Ironically this is one of the best startes we have had in over 15 years. I kinda figured our offense would take a dip after starting on such a ridiculos tear. As for our pitching, we still have Lidge, Romero, and Blanton on the DL.

  66. maxhole

    April 21, 2010 at 1:35 am

    phisgirl huh? now i’m thirsty.

  67. Phylan

    April 21, 2010 at 1:46 am

    Madson’s fastball does not have “no movement,” it actually has above average movement in the horizontal plane. In 2009 it broke in on right-handed hitters an average of 7 1/2 inches.

  68. jeff

    April 21, 2010 at 1:46 am

    The bottom line..up by three in the ninth you must win……

  69. Phylan

    April 21, 2010 at 1:51 am

    But, sometimes, you won’t. That’s baseball.

  70. Repeat!

    April 21, 2010 at 1:59 am

    I’m not going to speak for philsgirl. But it’s not about the loss. It’s about the type of loss. From 2007 thru 2009 the glaring and deciding diff between the Phillies vs the Braves/Fish/Mets was the BP and fundamentals. In 2008 this team was an amazing 79-0 when leading after 8 inns. Last yr the same BP numbers in that category were horrendous. No one expected the same numbers from 2008 this season, but you can’t keep throwing games away. Lidge seems to a great closer every other season. And he did begin 2008 on the DL. If that pattern continues the Phillies bp will be alright. The Phils got back to the series in’09 despite the shaky pen. But so far in’10 the Braves and Mets are better and the Nats are becoming less of a push over. No way the NL East, and the rest of the NL for that matter, will allow the Phillies to get away with a wildly inconsis. bp again.

  71. fightinphils

    April 21, 2010 at 2:11 am

    my bad! big fingers and small keys on the blackberry. We are still going to have the best line-up in the National League this season. We just need to get our pitchers back

  72. Repeat!

    April 21, 2010 at 2:13 am

    I never said that Madson doesn’t have any movement on his fasballs. Just not all of them. If you go back and take a look at the pitches he threw tonite you’ll notice that to the 1st two batters Madson was “pitching.” On the 2run hr Madson threw a straight fastball right down the middle. That was mentally lazy and arrogant. And of course the pitch Heyward hit was a change up that the whole free world knew was coming because Madson tips his pitches.

  73. jt

    April 21, 2010 at 2:15 am

    ole cholly still trying to use madson closing…madson is not a closer and never will be time to give it up and give someone else a chance.

  74. Brian Sr. of CO

    April 21, 2010 at 2:17 am

    Not like I think the Nats are a very good team at all, but I dont think they are the worst in the league anymore. I believe they are .500 now, alot of that because of us. Excluding playing us, they have winning record. And Im not sure I would say the Mets are better. As for Madsons #’s. Flat out, he is NOT a closer. His numbers ARE better as a set up man. Excluding his numbers as a closer, I dont know that Madsons numbers were that much better in ’08, his closer numbers make it look that way definately. I dont recall Madson blowing any “hold” opps, just Saves. May be wrong though. The MAIN problem last season was closing. We had over 15 blown saves. I dont recall blowing many holds though. A few I’m sure, but not many. If this is the worst loss people have seen in Philadelphia, you either havent been watching long, and are a new fan, or you forgot. We all said every blown save (at least one against the Braves last year) was horrible, and look how it turned out. I hope the team doesnt give up like most fans have.

  75. jt

    April 21, 2010 at 2:19 am

    can’t afford to blow these games either like lidge and madson did last year either the braves,marlins and even the nats are better.

  76. Ted Bell

    April 21, 2010 at 2:32 am

    This is why you can’t judge a team on games played against Washington & Houston.

  77. glutenous

    April 21, 2010 at 2:32 am

    Relax guys. We knew that having rollins out of the lineup would hurt us offensively and it really has. That’s why we shoukd just be glad is april and not september.rollins, blanton, lidge, and romero will be back soon enough and we’ll be fine. Also remember that we never really have a strong april. Last year we were but a few games over 500 at the end of april if I’m not mistken. Everything will be okay.

  78. Philly Texan

    April 21, 2010 at 2:34 am

    Repeat! I agree that they should have won. And I was pissed that they lost. Of course the bullpen must be better.

    But it’s one game. And there’s something kind of comforting about this team struggling a little in April. They do this every year!

    It’s OK to be pissed that they lost. It’s OK to vent a little.

    What I can’t stand is the people who come on this site after a loss and trash the team and trash our star players. The people who do that–who can’t deal with a simple three-game losing streak are a bunch of spoiled front-runners who don’t deserve the kind of team we have.

  79. Repeat!

    April 21, 2010 at 2:42 am

    for the mets i was reff to the historical amount of injuries they had in 2009. Buy default the Mets will be better in 2010 when plauers begin to rtn from the DL i.e. Jose Reyes.

  80. Repeat!

    April 21, 2010 at 3:24 am

    What u talk’n ’bout Cowboy?? Who said losing three in a row is reason to panic?? I didn’t even think of the Phils as being on a “losing streak” until u just mentioned it. After the loss on Sunday I wrote on here that the Phillies “won” today despite the L becuase of how well Cole Hamels pitched. Maybe you should do a little more research before open up your big fat country mouth. I used to listen to Phillies games on the radio even when the game was out west and they were 30 games back when I was ten. I’v e gone to Phils spring games in Clearwater, including in 1994 when they played the Blue Jays (yes Joe Carter played that day and I booed him)at their old site while playing in baseball tourms in FL in highschool. I worked at the Vet during College Summers to just be around the Philllies. The job paid 5/hr to sweep up wets peanut shells and sometimes rats/birds from 5 am until 2pm because they allowed us to stay and go to the games for free. I used to vol to other jobs becuase I enjoyed being at the park. This was 1996, after the strike and the team was garbage. By the end of the sunner I got to vac the red carpet that went from the warning track to behind homeplate while the players were warming up on the field just before batting practice. This site is to talk about baseball. In particular, the Phillies chances of another parade. They BP problems big time. That is a fact. A comeback win tonite, if we had gotten it, does not fix the problem. If you want diehard Phillies fans to be robots and pretend this BP may cause us to miss the post season in what has become a very strong NL East then maybe you should go to another site. My 1st game was when I was at 7 in 1985/1986. I ‘ll never forget seeing #20 in person for the 1st time. He hit a hr and a double against Dale Murphy and the Atlanta Braves. It was the one and only time I got to see him play. From that day on I was hooked. Don’t question my loyalty to favorite team. I’m a Phillies fan for life no matter what.

  81. Jeff Y.

    April 21, 2010 at 6:17 am

    Madson is soooooooo shot. Clean house in the bull pen, they all suck.

  82. Dave

    April 21, 2010 at 6:28 am

    Yes, it’s only 1 loss in a long season, but the fact remains that our pitching has issues….starting and relieving. Oh, and the biggest issue is that we STILL have no closer. Madson is not the answer people. I hope I”m wrong about Lidge, but I don’t think he will help us either. Our supposed juggernaut of a lineup hasn’t shown me anything except that they can beat up AAA pitching. Call me negative if you will, but I’d like to think I’m being realistic.

  83. The Original Chuck P

    April 21, 2010 at 7:20 am

    Tough loss… I said heading into this week that it important that we not waste good pitching performances and that’s exactly what we did. The danger here is that this team could start feeling sorry for themselves… on one hand, Kyle Kendrick looked great and that has to be a shot in the arm for this team (a little less anxiety about whether they’ll be able to get by until Joe the Pitcher gets back). On the other hand, they wasted a tremendous performance and that stings.

    Madson is not a closer but we all knew that. He’s the best option that we’ve got but there are going to be days where he just can’t put it together. He didn’t seem to have his good changeup last night and he might have been overthrowing his fastball. In any event, he’s going to blow a few saves…

    Every Phillies starter had a hit… they played good baseball, for the most part, Kendrick was superb and it’s a shame that the story ends up being about the demise of Ryan Madson. The Braves sluggers were up to the challenge in the 9th… the ball that Heyward deposited into the seats is a ball that you’re not supposed to be able to pull for a homerun… low and away with him reaching… but he did. Gotta give them some credit.

  84. bfo_33

    April 21, 2010 at 7:24 am

    This is what happens when football fans become baseball fans – panic over one loss. It’s too bad that KK didn’t get a W for a nice performance, but this was not a tragic loss. If the Phils can go 5-4 on this road trip, it will be a success.

    They did what they should do in the first game of a series – starter went long, got into the Braves pen early. 9 hits (and quite a few hard hit balls right at people) will more often than not translate into 4-6 runs and a win. Utley and PP still getting on base, Howard’s swing looks good.

    Heyward is a monster – going to be quite a player. I have my doubts on how long the Braves can keep it going – I’d be surprised if they have the same line-up in Aug. If Chipper and Glaus make it that long, their range will be about as good as mine (which isn’t much). What are the chances that Wagner stays healthy and doesn’t blow up the clubhouse?

    I don’t know why Madson’s stuff is unhittable in the 8th, not so much in the 9th. I know Charlie likes to establish roles in the bullpen, but think it may make more sense to go by situation until Lidge gets back. Doc tonight vs Hudson – should be a good one. Go Phils.

  85. The Dipsy

    April 21, 2010 at 7:36 am

    Hey, the Nats stink. I know this of Ryan Madson: I’ve seen poor closing from him last season and so far this season. Does that make him a poor closer? Uh…. God hope Lidge can come back and do it, like right this second, but history tells us that guys like him don’t make it all the way back. So…..if we extrapolate a bit, we made need a closer. And as I’ve said, no clowning around please. Bite the bullet and get him. Odd as it seems, after watching the Bravos last night, they scare me a little less. I think they suck defensively (despite McCann nailing Werth). Lots of time left. No reason to panic. Yet.

    The Dipsy

  86. Ed R.

    April 21, 2010 at 7:37 am

    No bfo…this is what happens when idiots have children.

  87. Bob in Bucks

    April 21, 2010 at 7:50 am

    Was it disappointing? Yes. The end of the world – No. If you expect to win every game you will have an unhappy life.
    The issue with Madson last night was location. Even with the two outs he was missing his spots on every second pitch. It was not the change-up it was that the ball was 18 inches closer to the middle of the plate that did him in.
    Contreras has done well so far this year. One homer does not disqualify him.
    Tough loss but I would rather take a good start from Kendrick then win 10-8. KKs good start bodes well for the rest of the season. He was agressive which is the key – he will get hit but most will be grounders.

  88. Dave

    April 21, 2010 at 7:53 am

    Madson shouldn’t have even been in the game. Kendrick was cruising. This whole obsession with pitch counts is maddening. Oh my gosh, he threw over 100 pitches, quick get him out of there before his arm falls off!

  89. The Dipsy

    April 21, 2010 at 8:06 am

    While we can all say it was a tough loss – and it was – and thats its early in the season – and it is – we are seeing a growing body of work that indicates that Madson is not good at closing out games. And that is not good.

    The Dipsy

  90. Keith E

    April 21, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Look outside. The sun came up and there is another game scheduled for tonight. Charlie has always said “We are a warm weather team”. I believe him. This team needs only to keep 1st place in site through the end of May.
    GO PHILS!!!

  91. Chuck

    April 21, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Doesn’t matter if Kendrirck’s pitch count was up and time for another pitcher or whether he should have been left in. The point is ….up 3 runs in the 9th……you have to win that game. But, sometimes, you don’t. And that’s the game of baseball.

    Got to look at the positives:

    1) Kendrick was awesome. He basically shut the team down. That’s TWICE in the space of 4 days that Atlanta’s bats went cold (no-hitter on Sat vs COL)

    2) Offense seems to be waking up a little. Good situational baseball to get that third run. And great job by the hitters to work counts and make Hanson throe a lot of pitches.

    3) Good defense tonight. Polly is doing just fine at third.

  92. neil

    April 21, 2010 at 8:33 am

    fake ass fans watching baseball for the first time during the regular season—- for all you fair weather first time fans, this isnt football and losses (especially in clusters) are normal. Every bullpen blows safe situations, every starter will get roughed up, every batting lineup goes cold.

    In fact I’m one of the few who is more happy about the last two games. Cole and Kyle got a grip and expressed confidence and composure. The long-term value gained of those guys showing potential outweighs those two losses out of the whole season. (Note to all you front-runners, cole, kyle, and halladay will have bad games at some points, so please refrain from booing until the end of the season)

    Not too worried about the bullpen— it is short handed and we can only make a true eval after its back to full strength. Def not worried about the bats, they’l come around.

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  94. psujoe

    April 21, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Guys, Madson can’t get it done in the 9th inning. Up 3-0 and A 5 pitch walk. Cardinal sin. Only like 149 games left to go.


  95. Morris Buttermaker

    April 21, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Ryan Madson can not close. He is a good pitcher, with good stuff, but he can not pitch the 9th. Maybe later in his career, he will be able to do it. But he simply does not have the mental make-up to be a closer.

    A loss like last night’s might be the kick in the pants this team needs.

  96. Hot dogs

    April 21, 2010 at 8:47 am

    I think charlie made the right move taking kendrick out in the ninth, the braves were not getting hits but they were hitting the ball hard. I was at the game sunday saw cole pitch great and watched the offense do nothing as we were leaving I said to my wife it would be nice to see the phillies close a game out the way the marlins did 1 2 3 bottom of the ninth with 2 strikeouts. I am not panicking yet this team is just not a good frontrunner they need to have their backs against a wall.

  97. NJ

    April 21, 2010 at 8:52 am

    wow, Madson seems at his worst with two outs recorded especially when closing but wow… Some of you should just be ashamed and should spend less time logging on to Phillies Nation home of real Phillies fans and more time tuning into WIP.

  98. steve

    April 21, 2010 at 9:01 am

    I can’t take these comments anymore. I think it’s time to switch to crashburn alley. Much better analysis, way fewer suicidal fans in APRIL

  99. Chuck

    April 21, 2010 at 9:11 am

    This reminds me of that game last year against the Orioles. The one where a sick Ryan Howard comes off the bench with a high fever and crushes a 3 run shot to give the Phils a late lead….only to see Madson give up dingers to Gregg Zaun and Brian Roberts in the 9th. The Roberts HR was with 2 outs also.

    My son and I were at that game. We rode home (almost an hour with traffic) in dead silence.

  100. Chase

    April 21, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Last night, before one out was recorded I IM’d my friend and said, “Madson makes me nervous.” He said, “Nervous, who else would you want in there?” I ignored him over and over, and he asked that question 5 times. I finally said, “nobody”. That’s because the Phillies have no choice but to keep bring Madson out there in those close games. Before I knew it the game was tied.

  101. Chase

    April 21, 2010 at 9:27 am

    I submitted that without finishing…My question is, “What options do the Phillies have?” At this point madson cannot hold a game close or protect a lead. Contreras is no the answer, Herdon is not the answer. Baez got rocked by the Nats. What to do?

  102. The Original Chuck P

    April 21, 2010 at 9:34 am

    I tend to disregard all posts written between 11 PM and 5 AM… that’s usually when the trolls come out. Also, some of the regulars aren’t thinking clearly after losses between those hours. Sleep it off, take a shower and put it all into perspective. If you’re still feeling heartbroken, the Doctor will be in later tonight…

    Heading into these last few losses, we weren’t sure about Hamels and we didn’t know whether Kendrick could be a fifth starter. I think that we can feel a little better about both of those question marks. The bullpen will work itself out… as long as we can keep those guys fresh, we’ll be able to get by with what we’ve got and let Lidge take his time. By the way… I think Lidge is going to have a bounce back year.

  103. Chase

    April 21, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Lidge dominates on the Threshers!

  104. Manny

    April 21, 2010 at 9:59 am

    With Lidge and Romero back, the bullpen should stabilize and get the job done.

    Funny how one game completely changes things. 24 hours ago, our bullpen was somewhat reliable, our starting pitching was horrid… Today: our bullpen is in shambles, our starting pitching looks pretty solid.

    And the truth is somewhere in between…

  105. Chuck

    April 21, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Original Chuck P…

    I know you weren’t calling me out specifically,but look at my posts last night in the time frame you mentioned….13 of them between 11:16PM and 12:09 AM. I’m one of the regulars and I’m pretty sure I was
    “thinking clearly”. So were some of the others….Brian Sr. and George come to mind.

    HOWEVER…..some of the others posts, trolls, whoever….TRULY EMBARRASSING. You all really need to get some help. Acting like babies with your whining and complaining and even over-the-edge anger. …… all over a baseball game. One baseball game in a long, long season full of lots of ups and downs.

  106. Jeff of Nova

    April 21, 2010 at 11:37 am

    I personally would love to see them look internally and at this point give someone else a try the Madson experiment is not happening, Give Mathieson a shot, he is still pitching darts down in the minors, at least till Lidge is ready.

  107. Chase

    April 21, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Are there any baseball fans more scared of the 9th inning then Phils fans?

  108. Philly Texan

    April 21, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Chuck P,
    I agree: things always looks better in the light of day.

    I will say this about Madson, he didn’t make a bad pitch to Heyward. He started him off with a fastball, then comes back with the changeup. That was a good call since Heyward’s never seen Madson’s changeup and it’s a good one.

    And it was on the outer part of the plate. You just don’t expect a hitter to pull that pitch out of the park. But damn if he didn’t do it. He must have been looking changeup, but it’s still impressive that he could pull that pitch and hit it as well as he did. Heyward is really a beast.

    On a side note, to whoever was commenting as Repeat! last night — I wasn’t calling YOU out as a frontrunner. I was calling out the trolls who were trashing the entire team after one loss. Repeat!, I apologize if you thought I was questioning your fan-dom. I wasn’t. I was trying to agree with you, but clearly that didn’t come out right…..

  109. Lefty

    April 21, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    I know this will sound crazy since he let up the walk off, but IMO Contreras was the guy Charlie should have gone to in the 9th and should again in the future. He was warming and I thought he was coming in. The pitch to McClouth in the tenth was really his first mistake of this year. Just my opinion.

  110. Chase

    April 21, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    You gotta pay the troll toll to get inside this boys hole.

  111. Ben

    April 21, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    i’m glad no one here is in the front office.

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