Gameday: Cardinals (18-10) at Phillies (16-11) – Phillies Nation
2010 Gameday

Gameday: Cardinals (18-10) at Phillies (16-11)

St. Louis Cardinals (18-10) at Philadelphia Phillies (16-11)

Kyle Lohse (0-1, 5.28 ERA) vs. Roy Halladay (5-1, 1.47 ERA)

Time: 1:05 p.m at Citizens Bank Park
TV: Comcast SportsNet, MLB Network
Weather: Partly cloudy, 80
Twitter: @philliesnation

UPDATE: 12:00pm, Sad news today that former Phillies great Robin Roberts passed away today at the age of 83.  Our thoughts and condolences go out to his and the entire Phillies family.

In his first six starts wearing red and white, Roy Halladay has been everything Phillies fans could have hoped for, with three complete games, two shutouts and a 1.47 ERA. But as spine-tingling as those performances were, they were just a prelude of things to come.

Not to diminish what Halladay has done this season, but he hasn’t faced the kind of lineup that inspires fear – until today. The three most talented teams he has faced so far have been the Mets, Giants and Braves – teams that have their share of hitters but that aren’t loaded the way the Cardinals are from one to eight (or one to seven and nine, in Tony La Russa’s wacky mind).

Today, Halladay receives his most intriguing test of the season so far. It’s too early to call it an October preview or anything along those lines, but the result will give fans to consider as the early season unfurls itself.

After Juan Castro tweaked his hamstring Wednesday night, Wilson Valdez starts at shortstop today. Injuries have hit the Phils hard this season, whether through bad luck (Jimmy Rollins) or stupidity (Ryan Madson). While it still is in first place, if this team is really going to take off, it is going to have to get its best talent on the field at the same time. The bad news is that is certainly not going to happen for a while, at the very least.

Your gameday beer:
It’s the King of Beers, Budweiser.
Beechwood-aged, it’s your all-American lager, a little bitter and a lot of simple. We’ll drink a few on this beautiful afternoon in honor of our guest from St. Louis.
Enjoy the beer with a hamburger.

Go Phillies!



  1. Havoc

    May 6, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Man it would be sweet to take three out of four here. Really lets us get on a roll.

  2. BurrGundy

    May 6, 2010 at 10:51 am

    I cannot help but think that the young starters have learned something from Roy Halladay. Perhaps today he will teach them another valuable lesson. Let’s hope so.

  3. mikemike

    May 6, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Just dropped off my wife and daughter at work in center city, was stopped at light in front of four seasons hotel. I can’t believe how many people were there with ball to get signed by cardinals. Saw pujois, holiday and if think wainright they to my little time there wouldn’t sign.People are nuts to beg them to sign.

  4. drtyjerz

    May 6, 2010 at 10:57 am

    woooo get healthy philthies!!!!!

  5. Matt Kwasiborski

    May 6, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Yeah, taking 3 of 4 would be awesome today! I would argue that the Nats have a better offense then the Mets, at least right now and possibly better than the Giants.

    These games have been playoff like and happy to see Hamels and KK do so well and do it at home!

  6. Steve

    May 6, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Good pitching is contagious. I’m feeling good with Roy on the hill and a chance to rather quietly take 3 of 4 from an excellent Cardinals team.

  7. Phan in Atl

    May 6, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Robin Roberts passed away. RIP.

  8. Mostone

    May 6, 2010 at 11:33 am

    I love Chooch as much as the next fan, but he should be replaced on the Ashburn Award.

  9. Jeff of Nova

    May 6, 2010 at 11:34 am

    RIP Robin Roberts you will forever be in the Phillies Hearts!!

  10. Bobby D

    May 6, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Certainly a sad day for Phillies baseball. Maybe Doc can go out and throw a CG in his honor.

  11. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Ditto, Mostone. Give it to KK (it’s not a common thing!)

  12. Bobby D

    May 6, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Unrelated, anyone else starting to really like T Mac’s homerun call? I don’t know if it’s the call or just the homeruns that I’m enjoying.

  13. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Ok guys, we got a game with the Cardinals today. And that only means one thing. Bad news for the Cardinals.

  14. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    A few quick points to bring up before the game.

    At what point do we admit that the Nationals are not terrible? I am sure they will hit some rough spots throughout the season. But as of right now, they are playing some pretty good baseball. And the Marlins have a pretty good lineup. As demonstrated by the 4 runs they scored the second Halladay left the game.

    It looks like the sentiment is gaining traction.

    Seriously? Budweiser?

  15. Gaze_NJ

    May 6, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Analogy of the day…
    Cinco De Mayo : Holiday :: Seis De Mayo : Halladay

  16. Garo

    May 6, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Bobby D … “That ball is….. GONE!” I like it too. Much better than Yankees Michael Kay’s “Ssssssseee ya!” (sounds like a serpent)

  17. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Great first inning by the Phillies, scored 3 runs and forced Lohse to throw a lot of pitches.

    Michael Kay is one of the worst announcers in baseball. I lived in Japan when Matsui first signed with the Yankees, and they would show every Yankees game live in the morning. I had the displeasure of listening to Michael Kay call the games. He is brutal.

  18. John K

    May 6, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    can someone watching tell me if ibanez should have scored on the ruiz double?

  19. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    They did not show enough replays to tell if Ibanez could have scored. It seemed like he could have at least tried to score. But they did not show any replays.

  20. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    I also like T-Mac’s home run call… That ball is….. GONE!

  21. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    I like McCarthy a lot. I think he is a great announcer. He calls the game very well. Honestly, my only problem with him is that he is too professional sometimes. With the great announcers, you can hear the disgust in their voice following a horrible play, or a backbreaking homerun. One of my favorite Harry Kalas calls was in 2005, when the Phillies blew a series against the Astros, and Craig Biggio hit a huge 3 run homer off of Billy Wagner. And you can tell just how pissed off harry was.

  22. South Jersey Al

    May 6, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Hey Mo, I was at that game. You should have heard how pissed off I was. But I know what you’re saying. Don’t be too objective.

  23. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    That lost to the Astros was as brutal as a loss could be. That one hurt for a while.

    I am starting to think the Halladay guy is pretty good.

  24. Dumb phan

    May 6, 2010 at 2:49 pm


  25. Smart phan

    May 6, 2010 at 2:49 pm


  26. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    For those of you not able to see the game, the Ibanez homer was absolute shot. 5-6 deep into the second level in right field, over the budweiser sign.

  27. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    5-6 rows deep

  28. Don M

    May 6, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Ibanez.. with two out … should have scored on Ruiz’s double … but maybe he spun his wheels, or something.. the ball ended up tight down the RF line

    The error charged to Valdez, should have been charge to Ryan Howard. . . it was a high throw, that Howard got some leather on, but he was stretching too early.. if he waited to judge the throw, and then reached up.. it would’ve been an easy play In My Opinion

    I like Tmac .. that “GONE!” gives me goosebumps

    I HAAAATTTTEEEE Sarge though, he dumbs down the entire broadcast when he’s on, and to me makes it almost unwatchable … they should stick him to Pre-game and Post-game only, because he brings NOTHING to the booth

    Tmac and Wheels on TV
    Franzke and LA on Radio
    Sarge… eating ribs with the Bull and Gary Maddux

  29. Don M

    May 6, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Ibanez makes up for his non-Run Scored earlier.. he’s starting to swing a hot bat!!!

    CARLOS RUIZ.. is currently batting .304 .. and is he leading the team in On Base Percentage too??

    If he had better RBI numbers, he could be in line for an All-Star appearance… but that will go to Brian McCann, and a Molina instead

  30. Smart phan

    May 6, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Don, CHOOCH is leading the NATIONAL LEAGUE (not just the team) in OBP!! Crazy.

    I’m voting for him for the All-star. Yadier isn’t THAT great… and McCann isn’t hot enough offensively to get my vote.

  31. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    and that should keep Roy in the game for the 7th!

  32. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    I thought the Howard/Valdez error could have gone either way. Both players made mistakes on it. Howard took a strange stretch on it. It’s been a real misadventure in the field for both teams today. It’s pretty windy in Philly today. I spent a few minutes this morning tracking down my trash cans.

    I don’t hate Sarge the way some people do, but they do need to limit his time. Give him like 2-3 innings a game. I’ve met him a few times, and he is such a great guy. I can’t get too upset with him.

  33. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    @Don: Ibanez didn’t score because they didn’t send him in… it wasn’t HIS decision… and I think it ended up being a good one..

  34. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    not “ended up” cause we didn’t score after that play… but at the time, it looked like they would’ve had him out at home.

  35. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Yadier has a cannon for an arm though. His career Caught Stealing % is 47%.

    I’ve always been a big Chooch fan. He brings a lot of intangibles to the field. The pitchers love him. And he comes up huge in the post season. It’s great to see his stats reflecting what he brings to the team this year. Tuesday night was the 2nd time I’ve been at a game when Ruiz had a walk-off homer.

  36. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    @Morris… I was there for another walk-off… in 08, Game 3 of the WS…. I love Chooch! He’s getting all my votes! ( He think he even homered in that game as well)

  37. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 3:13 pm


    “I* think” not “He think”…

  38. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    I was also at the game when Chooch stole home.

  39. Chuck

    May 6, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Franske and LA were making a case for Chooch getting an All-Star appearance.

    I’ve got the radio on….no video…..and it sounds like either Halladay is getting ZERO close calls….and is just not as sharp as he usually is.

    Wow…..what a call by Charlie to leave him in and get that out. What respect this guy has earned!

  40. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    I knew Pujols wouldn’t go down quietly….

    Oh well. In any case, 7 innings, 2 runs is OUTSTANDING.

  41. Ed R.

    May 6, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Amazing that 7 innings, 8 hits, 2 ER, 3 walks and 9 K’s can be considered not one of Doc’s better starts.

    That is how awesome he is.

    Glad Charlie didn’t take Roy out, just shows the respect he has for him.

  42. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    It’s a combination of both. Halladay is not as sharp as he normally is, and he is not getting the calls from the umps. He had Pujols rung up earlier, and the ump did not make the call. It was a perfect pitch.

    Good call by Cholly there. I’d let Halladay pitch tomorrow too.

  43. Nick

    May 6, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Halladay’s arm is going to fall off by august if charlie keeps making him pitch 110+ pitches everyday. He doesn’t have to go at least 7 innings every time he starts when you have a five run lead and a high pitch count take him out. This and the game against San Francisco is a joke.

  44. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Chuck, when you go to the All-Star ballot… and see that not one of the names stands out this year (McCann who’s the best one by far isn’t off to a great start)… you’ll see that voting for Chooch isn’t that unconventional… Perhaps the most deserving catcher right now is Soto from the Cubs, but bleh… never really liked the guy enough.

  45. Nick

    May 6, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    every start*

  46. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    The first run Halladay gave up was not his fault. Werth misplayed a ball, and it was scored a triple.

    Werth just had a classic Werth atbat. he looked terrible the first few pitches, and then hit a double.

  47. Chuck

    May 6, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Jayson Werth is a FREAKING HITTING MACHINE. Seriously…..what will it take to get this guy signed NOW!!??

  48. Chuck

    May 6, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Chooch has my vote.

  49. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Nice hit by Chooch, and now we officially get the baserunning mistake from Raul.

  50. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Thanks for backing me up, Chooch!

  51. Ed R.

    May 6, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Nick I don’t disagree with you entirely. I wonder about Halladay’s arm and it being dead come August but I also wonder about the arms in the pen being saved a bit when Halladay pitches. I would say that given how our starters have done the last 3 games, the pen could use a little work. But at the same point you never know what you will get out of Moyer tomorrow or over the weekend.

    I guess at the end of the day you manage for today and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.

  52. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    I think Werth will end up signing with the Phillies, but he just wants to test the market first. He’s never gotten the chance to be a big time free agent. And at his age, it’s probably the last big contract he will get. so he wants to get as much as he possibly can.

  53. Ed R.

    May 6, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Morris…I think Perlozzo told Raul to keep going, expecting a throw to the plate.

  54. Ed R.

    May 6, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Morris I can’t imagine Werth resigning if he hits the market. Too many teams with money that could use him.

  55. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Doesn’t Halladay lead the league in innings pitched every year? And he has more complete games over the past 5 years than every team in the league besides for Toronto.

  56. Ed R.

    May 6, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Halladay was 2nd in IP in 2009,(by 1 inning) 2008 and 5th in 2007 and 12th in 2006.

  57. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    If the Phillies can figure out a way to trade Ibanez, and resign Werth, that would be perfect. And then bring up Domonic Brown. I can just see the Phillies and Werth making something happen.

    Perlozzo was waving home Werth, and Raul just kept on going. In the situation, the 2nd baserunner pretty much has to decide on his own.

  58. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    That was a heck of a double play. Great play by Durbin on it.

  59. Ed R.

    May 6, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    The only way the Phillies can possibly afford Werth is with Ibanez gone. They might have to eat having a high pay roll next year since there is no way they can trade Ibanez and get someone to take on his salary but if they can resign Werth then hopefully after next year they will have some cap space…but not really.

  60. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    I think the Phils could sign Werth for 12M in 2011, and then increase the annual amounts to 14M, 16M and 18M as a 4 year deal.

  61. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    I’m just looking at Halladay’s numbers on They are absolutely amazing.

    Ok, well if the Phillies need help paying for Werth, I am going to do my duty as a fan, and when I go to a game, I will drink 6 beers and eat 6-7 hot dogs, and a few pretzels.

  62. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Manny, I think you are way too low on those numbers. I think Werth is looking for a 5 year $80 million contract.

  63. Jeff of Nova

    May 6, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    I agree with Manny I think they could get that done for Werth, but as Ed said it would be easier and might be better for the team going forward if Ibanez takes a hike, I like him, but we have a youngster next year that can replace him. I don’t look at D Brown as Werth’s replacement, but Ibanez’s

  64. Jeff of Nova

    May 6, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Why are we not putting Lidge in, in this situation? This would be a good opportunity for him to show his stuff with little pressure

  65. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Werth doesn’t have the track record to justify paying him more than 15M a year for longer than 4 years, IMO. I know we tend to dismiss that, but hey, in this case, this fact should lower his price and help us keep him. You’re also saying he should get $80 million as of today, when he’s on a tear and hitting .350… he’ll have his slumps and he’ll look bad at the plate sometimes.

  66. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Manny, I completely agree with you. I don’t think Werth is an $80 million player. But just looking at the contracts given to Bay and Holliday last year. Werth is definately better than Jason Bay, and he got a 4 year $60 million contract, with a 5th year that brings it to $80.

  67. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    What a great series.

    Hamels, Kendrick, Blanton, [and Halladay obviously], as well as Lidge and the rest of the bullpen looked great!

    Raul is back, Shane is hot, Werth is smacking extra base hits left and right, and Chooch rules.

    3/4 against the Cardinals is great, especially when you consider we had an unkown Blanton, a shaky Hamels, and an unreliable Kendrick taking the mound against the best team (record-wise) in the NL.

  68. Chuck

    May 6, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    But Jason Bay has more of a track record….whether WE think Werth is a better player or not.

  69. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    If that’s what it takes to resign Werth (5 yrs, 80), I cannot blame RAJ for not pulling the trigger. They will know what to do… if it’s finding a somewhat similar and cheaper replacement on the FA market, then so be it. But signing Werth for that amount is absolutely nuts unless you’re the Yankees or he well exceeds expectactions once again (hitting over .300 this year, for example–DOUBT it will happen).

  70. Morris Buttermaker

    May 6, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Not only a great series, but some really entertaining games too. Monday was good gritty game. Tuesday night was one of the most exciting games I have seen all year. Pitchers’ duel with a walkoff homer. Great pitching performance by Kendrick. And then Halladay did his thing.

  71. Bobby D

    May 6, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    With the exception of Figueroa’s debacle in game one, the pitching was phenomenal in this series. Blanton looked like he always does, solid. Cole looked like 08. Kendrick looked like he went through an 80’s movie training montage in preperation for his start and Halladay looked like the Mound Jesus that he is. The bats are doing what they do when it’s warm at CBP. Nothing surprising there.

    Bring on Atlanta and that bum Heyward!!!

  72. Ed R.

    May 6, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Morris…I hope after you do your due diligence as a fan and support the team…you don’t decide to drive home after.

  73. Manny

    May 6, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Breaking news: they changed the Werth flyball play from a HIT to an ERROR (good call)… making Halladay’s start even philthier (1 ER instead of 2).

  74. Chuck

    May 6, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Let’s just temper that “bum” talk. Heyward is the real deal….a VERY GOOD young player.

  75. Don M

    May 6, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    This series looked like the perfect combination of our pitchers getting HOT, and their bats going COLD at the same time!!

  76. Bobby D

    May 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    That “bum” comment was meant to be extremely tongue in cheek. I’m terrified of him and that’s how I cope.

  77. George

    May 6, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Heyward is listed as day-to-day with a groin problem. He may miss the Phils series, which would be good for the Phils. He’s got a lot of home runs and RBIs, and has been hitting something like .500 since sitting out a game a while back.

    I’m not so sure the Cards’ bats went cold. I attribute this series to our hot pitchers.

  78. Ed R.

    May 6, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Last I read he was going to miss the series.

  79. Jeff of Nova

    May 6, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Great Game guys,

    I am hoping we see some more of the Kendrick we saw this series at least till Happ is ready, then we either put him in the pen or Moyer till Madson gets back and most likely drop Figgy. Then when Madson gets back we will have to figure out what to do should be interesting.

    I think Durbin is tuned in like 2008,

    Contreras is starting to show he still has it, I like how we are slowly bringing in Lidge although they should have brought him in the ninth today good situation for him to get some innings.

    Baez has been in a good rhythym too.

  80. BurrGundy

    May 6, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Gritty performance from Halladay and it was nice to have the bullpen back him up. I hope Charlie realizes that Roy is not a “Mechanical Man” and that he doesn’t have to make 120 pitches in games when he is not as stellar as he can sometimes be, escpecially when he has a five run lead. Our bullpen perhaps has shown signs of turning the corner a little.

  81. Dave

    May 6, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    T-Mac and Wheeler suck. They don’t shut their cotton pickin’ mouths for one second to allow us to enjoy the game. They come from the new school of broadcasting where they feel that they need to talk non-stop about everything under the sun. My favorite is when Wheeler tells everyone what’s going through the players minds. Sometimes, you need to just let people listen to the Sounds of the Game, not the sounds of their mouths. I really miss Harry and Richie. Heck, I’d even take Andy Musser at this point.

  82. Rich

    May 6, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Right on man…gimme back Harry and Richie.

  83. Dan

    May 6, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    They gotta resign Werth!

  84. Scott in D.C.

    May 6, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Love winning day games. You can savor the evening, stress-free…

  85. Hank the Tank

    May 6, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Werth isn’t worth it…ha, ha, ha. The Mets are awesome!

  86. Bobby D

    May 6, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Keep drinking Hank.

    I hope that by not bringing in Lidge today that Charlie is showing that he’s willing to go with the hot hand rather than blindly sticking guys out there because that’s their role. Plus, Lidge will get his innings. They’re doing ok without him thus far.

  87. psujoe

    May 6, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Darn nice homestand. 5-2. Let’s finish it up at 7-3 or 8-2.

    Phils will resign Werth, the question is for how much. Seriously, they could end up with 81 sell outs not counting the playoffs. WIth increased ticket prices too boot. Phillies merchandise is flying off shelfs. The better the year Ibanez has the better the chance they can move his contract. If not a lot of money comes off the books in after 2011.

    When do they go for a new tv contract?

  88. psujoe

    May 6, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Phils on pace to win close to 100 games! With all the injuries that’s pretty incredible.

  89. mikemike

    May 6, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    Werth knows he will command big money on open market. This is a business decision, this will proabley be his last contract so he will go to the highest bidder, i do believe. either yankees angels or boston mets.

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