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Lidge Lands on DL

The Phillies placed reliever Brad Lidge on the 15-day disabled list (retroactive to May 10) due to inflammation in his right elbow.  An MRI did not show loose bodies or damaged ligaments, however the pain has yet to go away despite being well-rested.

Lidge only appeared in four games this year, saving one.  Lidge will decide if he wants to get a cortisone shot.  He previously received a cortisone injection in March.

Antonio Bastardo was recalled to take Lidge’s spot on the roster.  Bastardo appeared in seven big league games earlier this year.



  1. Jeff

    May 16, 2010 at 2:31 am

    I understand we paid Lidge a good amount of money. Yes, he earned in 2008 with a incredible season. Brad Lidge will never return to that pitcher again. He has been lousy ever since. Last year was one of the worst for a closer. He has not pitched much this year and when he has its been spotty. Two long balls the last time out which if no wind would of been gone. Just release this man already. ENOUGH.

  2. Lewisauce

    May 16, 2010 at 4:35 am

    “release this man already” ain’t gonna happen, nor does it need to.

    That said, I don’t think we’re getting anything out of Brad Lidge at all this year, folks. (Myself and many others predicted this in March.)

    The Scott Mathieson set-up man era should begin now, so that the Scott Mathieson closer era can begin next season.

  3. NJ

    May 16, 2010 at 7:20 am

    It’s a great shame but it’s something the Phils just have to grit their teeth and bare in the event he can return to form. Enough about the money paid to Lidge, Moyer, Ibanez, Polanco etc, every team is littered with contracts that look bad and people quickly forget what they brought to those teams.

    This would be an issue if the Phillies bullpen hadn’t already adjusted to not having Lidge in the short-term, Madson is the bigger loss right now. Contreras has been nothing short of incredible considering the expectations. The Phils are in a fortunate position that in spite of the injuries the Phillies can still think big picture instead of making knee-jerk moves.

    I think it’s a little premature to bring up Mathieson until he’s ready to take a very visible role and he still as spent significantly less time pitching than he has recovering from surgery in the last 2 years. There’s no need to rush the Phillies young bullpen arms as long as there’s a plan to integrate them into the bullpen instead of paying free agent money to multiple relievers.

  4. The Dipsy

    May 16, 2010 at 7:20 am

    Mathieson will be here sooner rather than later. Lidge and Romero will not be effective all year. Romero just has the look of a guy that had his day in the sun and now, with the help of injuries, its kinda over. Being an effective middle reliever, for most, is a very transient thing. Baez (barely), Durbin (barely), and Contreras are the only guys in the pen I feel half decent about. Charlie might be able to do the smoke and mirrors thing with his pen for awhile, but eventually RAJ is gonna have to make some moves.

    The Dipsy

  5. Ted Bell

    May 16, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Contreras should close the rest of the season. When (if) Brad Lidge returns he should be relegated to 6th & 7th inning duty. He can compete for the closer role next spring, but he’s out of the picture for 2010. As long as RAJ doesn’t trade Domonic Brown to San Diego for Heath Bell (and then quickly sign Bell to a seven year deal) I’ll be happy.

    I’m Ted Bell.

  6. George

    May 16, 2010 at 8:38 am

    I, for one, am not yet ready to write off Brad Lidge. He’s not the only pitcher ever to have some problems when first coming off of surgery. He shouldn’t be released yet.

    Romero does, however appear to be toast. I hope it, too, is a function of coming off recent surgery, but instead of stiffness, like Lidge, he plain hasn’t pitched well. Lidge has done well enough in a few games, but Romero hasn’t.

    It’s possible the Phils will have to call up Mathieson, but it will only be in a complete emergency. Just because he appears to have the stuff in AAA doesn’t mean he will in the NL, and there are also those arm issues he’s had.
    They could in no way throw him right into the closer role.

  7. NJ

    May 16, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Right now Durbin and Contreras are two of the best relievers in the NL… Bullpens are on a knife-edge but you go with what’s working now irrelevant of name otherwise Erik Gagne, BJ Ryan and Derek Turnbow would be in jobs.

    Rule 1 of bullpen appreciation: DON’T judge a bullpen on the name of the guys in it.

  8. karen

    May 16, 2010 at 10:05 am

    He is either injured and never recovers fully or it is in his head that he is hurt or he will be worse than last year or whatever but if we are wanting the world series this year…….he needs to either shape up or amaro needs to do something with him…….thank god we have a decent bullpen right now but how long can they really hold up? release him

  9. psujoe

    May 16, 2010 at 10:10 am

    phutuephillies says Mathiason is ready and he know the minors. Mathiason would be up but I thinkhe only has one option left. If one more guy goes down I’d bring him up as the setup for Contreras as the closer. For now the Phils are fine and actually padding their lead int he East. truely amazing considering the amount of injuries. Rube gets some credit for building depth on this club.

  10. psujoe

    May 16, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Does anyone know the rule on injury and insurance comensation? Do the Phillies recover the $1.15 million of Madson’s salary? How about Lidge? Is there a cutoff? Mods if you could find this out it would be appreciated.

  11. NJ

    May 16, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Thing is your not bringing Matheison up to be the set-up guy just as the Red Sox didn’t bring up Bard to be the immediate set-up guy to Papelborn and Matheison is no Bard.

    I love the kid, he’s pitching great in the minors but I want to see him come up closer to the deadline with Madson there as the primary set-up guy. He’s major league ready and looks healthy but the minors are littered with hard throwing ace minor league relievers and Mathieson won’t get time on this team with the Philly fans to acclimatize to the majors if he doesn’t come up throwing like the heir-apparent. Less than a year ago people here were calling him a ‘non-prospect’.

  12. NJ

    May 16, 2010 at 10:30 am

    great Q psujoe…

  13. psujoe

    May 16, 2010 at 10:34 am

    I’d be Ok with Baez-Durbin-Contreras and have Mathiason replace Herndon, but with the Phils on Cruise control there’s no hurry. So waiting to build up Mathiason’s arm and confidence isn’t a bad option either.

  14. Andrew R.

    May 16, 2010 at 10:48 am

    PSUJOE is right. We’re in first place. People need to relax. Everybody thinks they know more baseball than they actually do. This is not an emergency situation here. Lidge will be back. Madson will be back. Mathieson will be called up at some point, but he’s no gaurantee. Just relax and enjoy the season.

    Let us not forget that for about the past 6 years, the Phils have been a second-half team. Ibanez is hitting better, even his outs are hard. Howard has been irrelevant. J-Roll is MIA. We have some guys doing a little better than projected, but I’m really looking forward to seeing how well we do once those summer months start rolling around.

  15. Hot dogs

    May 16, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Not that worried about lidges roll, Contreras is fitting in fine as the new closer. He did a great job striking out two with the bases loaded. The problem is he should not have had to pitch yesterday. The phils have to find someone that can hold a 5 run lead and not overwork Contreras.
    I am glad they put Lidge on the dl at least now they have an arm they can use as opposed to Lidge not being ready. Romero is just taking up space they either dont want to use him or are afraid to use him. We need a gut like Tyler walker last year who could get some outs when your up by 5 as opposed to Herndon who was getting rocked.

  16. The Dipsy

    May 16, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Joe – I do not believe that you get prorated insurance like that, and even if it were available I don’t believe the Phils would get it since Madson’s injury did not occur while playing, unless there is a clause that states otherwise.

    The Dipsy

  17. NJ

    May 16, 2010 at 11:16 am

    If the Keith Foulke with Cleveland situation is anything to go by, he retired before opening day fore-fitting the salary in his contract which the Indians could have claimed back off insurance if he didn’t pitch…

  18. Jeff of Nova

    May 16, 2010 at 11:37 am

    I have been talking up Mathieson since the end of last year. I am glad to see some others are finally going to get on board.

    I like Contreras, not sure he is a closer though, I am sure Baez is NOT. He has been mediocre at best this year.

    Also remember about Mathieson his clock has already started, he pitch several game back in 06,07 for the big club as a starter, so waiting to the deadline or be a call up is irrelevant.

    I am not sure David Herndon is really a big league reliever as much as he is trying to be, but he has real inconsistent as of late, bad pitch location. Give Mathieson a chance, good time to check it out

  19. mikemike

    May 16, 2010 at 11:46 am

    First of all you don’t bring up mathieson to close or pitch the eighth. ease him into that role. He has nothing more to prove in triple a, Herdon isnt getting the job done and we are in need of another power arm out there. The thing on phuturephilies we are hearing is he isn’t coming up on account of arb years dont know if its true. But people have brought that up.So far this team has done a amazing job with all the injuries they have had. Hopefully Lidge, Rollins, Ruiz, Happ, madson get healthy and we make a strong run lock up the divison and rest some of these guys in september.Still believe Lidge will come back and help.

  20. Ed R.

    May 16, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    NJ…Bard was brought up to be the set up man and eventual closer after they essentially let Papelbon walk. Which I think is after this season, or they may trade him depending on how this season goes for them. A trade seems very likely at this point since they are not going to pass Tampa or NY.

  21. BurrGundy

    May 16, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    We need Mathieson and Bastardo NOW !!! Lidge will be out for a month. Romero has no velocity on his pitches and I believe he is done. We need Herndon to pitch enough so that his sinker keeps the bite and we need new blood. — Mathieson and Bastardo NOW. This will end up biting us in the ass if we do not do something. NOW

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  23. Repeat!

    May 16, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    the cats in the craddle and the silver spoon… little boy blue and the man and the moon.. lidge on the dl again?? time to go watch re-runs of “The Pen” I blasted RAJ for the Moyer deal. And pointed to that as the reason why we couldn’t keep Lee. But the real reason was the crazy deal Pat Gill gave to this P***y Lidge.

  24. Tom Ropars

    May 16, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    We need help in the bullpen and we need it now. I believe the person we need is John Smoltz. He said in the beginning of the year he is just waiting for someone to call. Teams talk about him as a midseason addition. We need him now. If you get him now he will be ready by the All-star break. If you get him now it will be before everyone starts bidding and the price goes up. We need John Smoltz now.

  25. Heather

    May 16, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Can anybody tell me why we don’t find out about Brad Lidge’s mystery injuries until AFTER he pitches like crap? His last outing for the Phillies stunk (2 fly balls in gale force winds should have been Home Runs), after insisting he was great and 100%, and now all of a sudden he is injured again.

    Quite frankly, I’m starting to question if this guy has some mental issues in addition to the physical ones.

  26. Jeff of Nova

    May 16, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    I will tell you what for 6.5 million Moyer right now is looking worth the money. He is not lights out will never be, he will hover around 4.80 ERA, but he wins games, 5 WINS SO FAR!

    Our bullpen has been hanging in there cause of 2 reasons,
    1st Our starting pitching, Besides Halladay many have been pitching deep into games giving them more rest.

    2nd Contreras and Durbin have been money!

    Send Romero to the DL with Lidge, and bring up Mathieson. let Mathieson work his way to the back of the bullpen, and allow Bastardo to be the lefty.

    Staff would look like this
    Kendrick (move to pen when Happ is ready)


    When Madson comes back you move Figgy or Herndon same when Happ comes back.

    Madson should come back as a setup man not closer

    Eventually it should be
    Madson (setup)
    Mathieson (closer)
    Bastardo (lefty sitiuational)
    Contreras (7th inning)

  27. George

    May 16, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    To Heather and to Karen:

    I suppose that both of you have psychology degrees to diagnose Lidge as a possible mental case.

    For one thing, we found out about this year’s injury after he had pitched–and not that badly, either–because it’s only after pitching that stiffness will show up. Last year, he was in the closer role, and tried to pitch no matter how he felt, which says to me his injuries aren’t fake, and he tries his best at all times.

    Let the medical staff and the coaches work this out with Lidge. I’m sure they know a lot more than either of you do.

  28. George

    May 16, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Also, remember that Lidge was on the DL at times last year, but the Phils had ABSOLUTELY NOBODY who could close any better. Madson was worse still as closer.

  29. Matt Kwasiborski

    May 16, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Any word on Happ? Haven’t heard much about him in a while.

  30. shag beta sigma delta

    May 16, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Let me see Lidge came and and got a one two three inning save, before that he was hitting 94 on the gun and throwing his slider for strikes and some look real nasty, so he has pitched terrible? I do not get it. The Phillies are in first place starting pitching and the pen have looked pretty good for a majority of the season. And we are all in a panic cause Lidge came back after surgery and has some swelling and pain in his arm. Some times I come on here just to remember how hard it is to be a Phillies fan with optimism. With all the injuries, and not just guys on the DL but nicks and scrapes that have kept some guys out of the line up, and we are still l winning. Hoover and Valdez getting hits and RBIs. Sure do I think we can win with line up right now all year, probably not, but these guys are filling in nicely while the starters are getting healthy. Lidge actually looked pretty good in his last three appreances. So give him some time, it is only May after all, and see what happens in June, if he can recover, I think Contreous can close for this year. Madson will be back and in his set up roll where he likes it. JRoll will be back Monday, give him a week or two to get up to speed.
    Really we have our 3rd string catcher, SS, KK is still in the rotation, Ryan only has 6 HR, Chooch has missed 3 games, they just figured out who can close a game out this week, and they are first place. Can we just be happy and enjoy what we are seeing now

  31. NJ

    May 16, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Ed R- My point on Bard is they brought him up and had him pitching middle relief before he earned the job as the set-up guy. My point is no-one brings up a relief pitcher to be a set-up guy until he’s got his feet wet, Bard included.

  32. shag beta sigma delta

    May 16, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    And if I hear one more person saying Lidges’ last appearance was bad because he gave up two fly balls that would have been HR if not for the wind I may have to vomit. The guy gets 1-2-3 save and some of you still find something to bitch about him. Mattieson may or may not be ready, but they will not bring him up until they expand the roosters unless they are more injuries in the pen. Then they will bring him up and take a peak at him against big league guys, and then make a decsion on him for next year

  33. Heather

    May 16, 2010 at 6:46 pm


    During Lidge’s last appearance, he should have given up 2 home runs but was saved by the gale force winds that kept them in the park.

    ::waiting for vomit::

    Seriously, there is a difference between me *wanting* Lidge to do well and praising a performance that really wasn’t that good just because I want to believe. A 1-2-3 inning doesn’t necessarily = GREAT. Results matter, but results aren’t necessarily indicative of performance.

    Example: Jamie Moyer is now tied with Roy Halladay for most wins on the Phillies staff. Does that mean Moyer is as good a pitcher as Roy Halladay? I don’t think so, but that’s what the results say. (I say that loving Moyer, but knowing he’s not an ace.)

    C’mon guys, you’re smarter than thinking results are the same thing as performance. A good performance USUALLY equals good results, and vice versa, but not always.

    Ergo, Lidge had good RESULTS in his last save, but his performance left something to be desired.

  34. MikeB.

    May 17, 2010 at 4:41 am

    This last win for Moyer was courtesy of the offense and all of the runs they scored. Was no great pitching performance by the ageless wonder. Each game he starts is an adventure.

  35. Tom Ropars

    May 23, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    I still think the answer in the bullpen is John Smoltz. Lidge is to unpredictable with his injury, and everyone else is not ready. He is ready to come to whoever calls. He would like a chance at a championship. The only thing holding us back is money. I don’t think they would spend the dollars.

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