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Phillies Drop to Second Place

With the Phillies 9-3 loss to the Atlanta Braves, the Phillies dropped to second place in the National League East.  While the Phillies offensive struggles have been frustrating, it’s not time to press the panic button — yet.

Part of this loss can be blamed on defensive mistakes by Ross Gload and Ryan Howard.  Gload, who played in place of Jayson Werth, dropped a fly ball.  However, the most costly error was by Howard, who completely missed a ground ball that potentially could have been two outs.  The miscues led to two unearned runs, and if not made, the outcome could have been much different.

The Phillies were held scoreless until the seventh inning.  Tommy Hanson cruised along, allowing just three hits.  He was lifted in the seventh inning after allowing a two-out double to Raul Ibanez.  Pete Moylan came in relief and gave up three straight doubles as the Phillies were able to cut the lead in half.  Unfortunately, Troy Glaus broke the game wide open at the bottom half of the inning.  Glaus’ three-run home run off Chad Durbin put the game in the books.

There were some positives though.  Brad Lidge returned from the disabled list (Nelson Figueroa was designated for assignment) and tossed a 1-2-3 inning.  His slider was impressive, as he struck out one batter.  The other positive?  They weren’t shut out.

Today, the offensive struggles carried over defensively.  There is no question that the Phillies need to snap out of this slump, but it is still very early in the season.  In previous seasons, the Phillies have gone through similar woes.  This series with Atlanta is key, however, and they must win if they want to get back into first place.



  1. Brooks

    June 1, 2010 at 12:37 am

    “.. In previous seasons, the Phillies ahve gone through similar woes.”
    I have never seen anything like this, when every so called hitter has looked idiotic and so out of time. Howard, Werth, Utley – all our key $$ men are out of it. Ibanez & Vic are inconsistent at best, certainly not enough to give anyone confidence.
    The Phils will snap out of this but now the feeling they could slip back into this (which I never thought was a possibility) is there.

  2. The Real Jeff

    June 1, 2010 at 1:34 am

    Most of you know that I do not like Ryan Howard. I get killed for it each time I say it on here. Yes the man gets hot at times and hits monster homeruns. Yes he can carry the team for a full month. So you say why dont you like him. First off he is a very average fielder. He cant make the simple throw to second. Todays error killed this team. He strikes out way to many times. To give this man 125 million should have Jr fired as the GM. Pat would of never given him that contract. I would of looked to trade Howard next season. His power will decline and right now he cant even get on base. This team has no fight in them. They better put it together soon. The Braves are going to move ahead. Get rid of Raul and bring up Brown. We need a spark.

  3. Aaron

    June 1, 2010 at 2:35 am

    jeff – you are jumping the gun

  4. Bob Myers

    June 1, 2010 at 6:41 am

    At this point, I’d take .500 baseball until we get Rollins back, then put together a streak as hot as this one is cold.

    I do not think this is similar to last year. Someone ought to run the stats on that and compare cold streaks. We’re handing all the competing teams a big dose of confidence, and coupled with drive and good luck for them and bad breaks for us, we certainly could blow this thing!

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  6. Ted Bell

    June 1, 2010 at 6:57 am

    The Ryan Howard contract was definitely not well thought out, but it has nothing to do with the state of the Phillies right now.

    For some reason, RAJ took the nucleus of the 2008 champions and decided it was a good idea to make them an even older team. When openings occured at LF and 3B he replaced them with players whose best years were behind them. Those deals will look very bad by the time the third year of the contracts kick in – and the Ibanez deal already looks bad two months in to it’s second year. RAJ then decided to make a decision on Howard almost two full seasons before he had to, and once again it was one that will pay a player big money during the time his performance will be in decline. For a guy who claims his goal is to perpetuate this current window of opportunity, RAJ’s actions seem to actually be accelerating the end of this current run.

    I agree it’s time to give Brown a shot. He has over 1600 minor league plate appearances, while other organizations are promoting prospects with half that many. He can’t be any worse than Ibanez, and he may just give this team a spark.

    I’m Ted Bell.

  7. Justin

    June 1, 2010 at 7:02 am

    Good points, but I’m probably going to go ahead and panic anyway. Gives me a reason to get day-drunk on a Tuesday.

  8. NJ

    June 1, 2010 at 7:17 am

    Get rid of Ibanez and bring up Brown… Fire RAJ for giving Howard $125 (which isn’t as bad as it seems)… Man I hate the Macdonalds version of being baseball fans wanting it ALL in every way now.

    The Phillies are ALWAYS bad around interleague and they always look like a very immature team when their playing badly producing worse results than the last place teams. That said the Phillies started much better this year, we’re ALWAYS a team that turn it on down the stretch so this team isn’t blowing it. You look at history, the very fundamental of baseball and it’s clear more than we need to win win we just need to play a more positive brand of baseball. The Phils are going to win a ton more games, score a ton more runs.

    Ibanez is supposedly a good influence on this team as Moyer has been, I’d be more than fine seeing us move him and eat a large proportion of the salary to re-sign Werth but we have to stop purely looking at his numbers and ‘bad D’ as ‘the’ reason we’ve lost games. Your not calling up Brown, just not, it’s foolhardy to think that would bring ‘energy’. We are not the Marlins or Braves or Rangers who are forced to bring up prospects early because they don’t have a good or average player to take that position. Lets not screw this kid up like Marlon Byrd expecting we have our own version of Jason Heyward.

    I firmly believe Ryan Howard is the second best all-around 1st basemen in the game and with no injury history and a much slimmer body and good attitude to the game, he will not be dragging around a fat, injury riddled body and slow bat in his mid-thirties.

    Things against Howard-
    He can’t hit lefties- Well he does better than Adrian Gonzales
    He makes mistakes on D- Would you rather have Miggy who’s the worst defensive 1st basemen in the game?
    He’s too big and lazy- He’s dropped more weight than a subway add and is incredibly athletic for his size now, would you rather Teix who doesn’t hit for half a year and has had major injuries? Howard has had literally none.

    Howard earned his renewal by doing EVERYTHING the Phillies brass and coaches asked him to do over the last two years to become a true elite player. He will continue to be one of the best offensive players in the game for the duration of that contract.

  9. NJ

    June 1, 2010 at 7:22 am

    RAJ acted prematurely??? Come on that’s ridiculous.

    The Rangers traded Teix 18 months before his deal was up because they couldn’t resign him, the Braves did likewise for the same reason.

    A-Gonz will be traded before his deal is up and he hits the market getting $25m a year.

    Fielder is expected to be traded.

    Miggy’s deal was much worse.

    You look at the recent history of 1st basemen, Howard’s achievements and RAJ acted to keep a core together that could be built around with guys like Brown and Aumont let alone the heap of prospects in A-ball/AA

  10. Chuck

    June 1, 2010 at 7:32 am

    Good post, NJ. I agree with everything you said. At the end of the day, the Phillies will be just fine and they WILL win this division. Atlanta, however, is the main competition….as I said they would be before the season started. The Phillies need to bear down now and figure this thing out.

    Positives from yesterday:

    –The offense looked like it was waking up a bit. It’s a start.

    –Blanton DID find his form for a few innings. Maybe he can carry that into his next start.

    –Brad Lidge coming back and pitching well. We need him.

    Baby steps.

  11. NJ

    June 1, 2010 at 7:43 am

    Love the positivity Chuck. I think were spoiled by the Madden/Fantasy generation (and I’m part of it) which gives us the feeling you can win, win and win some more. It’s not reality.

  12. Chuck

    June 1, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Well, there are problems and issues. No doubt. But I can’t stand reading some of the absolute garbage negativity on here all the time. So I have to try to keep thinking in a positive way. And I fully believe that this team is MUCH better than it has played over the last 10-15 games.

    And all the RAJ-bashing makes me sick, really. People forget what he has done and only see what is happening that day to formulate an opinion. Has he mad some mistakes? Sure. But all GMs do and it’s important to view his entire body of work before really forming an opinion. And that may take some time as the kids he got in the Lee trade haven’t even gotten past AA yet.

  13. Ted Bell

    June 1, 2010 at 8:26 am

    Bringing up a guy who’s now in his fifth professional season and has over 1600 plate appearances is rushing him? Really?? There’s no way Domonic Brown could be any worse than what we’re seeing from Ibanez right now.

  14. Dave

    June 1, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Amanda – I don’t recall the Phillies ever going through an offensive epidemic like this one. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Not only are they not hitting, they look like idiots.

  15. Ted Bell

    June 1, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Disagreeing with RAJs decisions is not “bashing” him, it’s simply disagreeing with him. This forum is for intellegent discussion, which includes both sides of any given issue. There were plenty of people who questioned the Ibanez contract from day one, citing the likelihood that giving a three year deal to an older player was a very risky move. As each day goes by, that initial reaction becomes more of a reality. Are we supposed to blindly cheer decisions that we think are wrong?

    And by the way, in your opinion what are the positive things that RAJ has done so far?

    I’m Ted Bell.

  16. Ryk

    June 1, 2010 at 9:31 am

    I think the major reason for the bats to be asleep is the knuckleball factor. How often do the Phils get to see one knuckler, as opposed to 2 in a short period of time? It messed up their eye and their timing, but they’re professionals and they will bounce back. Scoring 3 runs in 3 innings last night is a positive. Keepin the phaith.

  17. bfo_33

    June 1, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Attributing the recent offensive woes to Ibanez is like complaing the car on blocks won’t run because there is a ding in the windshield. Ibanez is playing decently (263 over the last 7 games, vs team batting avg of 197). Vic, Utley, Werth and Howard all look lost right now, and you can’t rely on Castro, Valdez, and Ruiz to carry the team offensively. The offense will break out of the slump (although probably not tonight – facing Hudson, who they have a hard time scoring on – need a strogn performance from Hamels), and the Phils are the only ones capable of running away with this division.
    It’s not fun to watch right now, but they’ll get through it.
    Brown has accomplished everything he can in the minors, but it is still better to have him play every day than bring him up to platoon.

    RAJ Positives:
    – Halladay
    – Original Lee trade
    – Pedro
    – Contreras

    High risk moves (all of which are too early to tell):
    – Howard ext
    – Lee to Sea
    – Ibanez
    – Polanco

    Everything else has been pretty neutral (including Moyer).

  18. Philly Texan

    June 1, 2010 at 10:32 am

    We’re all frustrated, but I don’t see any solutions except hope they break out of it.

    I’d like to bring up Brown too, but I don’t see anyway to do that.

    Who do we lose off the current roster? We can’t move Ibanez given his contract, so our only option would be to release him.

    And Ibanez is starting to hit. He’s one of few guys getting hits (doubled yesterday). Until Howard or Utley or Werth start hitting, this team is going to struggle.

    I agree this slump is worse than previous ones. We just have to hope we don’t lose too much ground. Here’s hoping we don’t get swept in Atlanta.

  19. psujoe

    June 1, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Ibanez isn’t the problem. Utley, Howard and Werth have been awful the last several weeks. With your #1 and #2 out your 3, 4 and 5 can’t stink up the joint like they have been. I don’t expect quality hitters like that to continue to slump.

    If the pitching holds together this team could go on a huge run when the bats come back. Let’s hope it starts tonight!

  20. George

    June 1, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Ted Bell’s point about disagreement is well taken if you only consider Ted Bell’s comments. Others here too often imply that RAJ is incompetent, stupid, is single-handedly wrecking the team, and should be fired or shot, or maybe castrated and shot.

    Here are a few positives that bfo_33 missed:
    – Not pursuing the overrated Chone Figgins
    – Stocking up on veteran middle-infielders (Sure, they’re not great, but where would this team be right now without Castro and Valdez?)
    – Locking up most of what is a better-than-average rotation until 2012.

    Also, I wish people would stop harping on Howard’s “$25 million.” He won’t make that much for a few more years. He’s only at $20 million now, and will be at $20 million next year, too. The contract might look bad in a few years, but after Gonzalez and Fielder sign for their mega-millions, it might not.

    Anyone have any ideas about Blanton? He may have some slight mechanical issues after that injury; he may have learned to favor the muscle he tweaked. Whatever, though, his pitching hasn’t been like his usual.

  21. The Dipsy

    June 1, 2010 at 10:43 am

    To use an “Obama-ism”: “Lets be clear”: The Phillies can’t hit right now. It is a horrific offensive slump. I’m not worried. The thing that I could get worried about is for the Phillies to stop working counts and start to get jumpy and try to hit five run homers. Now is a great time to practice being patient at the plate, stealing some bases, moving some runners, etc. I don’t want Ryan falling back into bad habits. I think he is actually hitting .250 v. LHP, which is great. Our team is clearly superior to the Braves. But can the team use a change or two? Yes. I think a straight Ibanez/Francisco platoon is appropriate. Ibanez has aged right before our eyes. It may be over for him. Its a shame. Thats why you don’t sign players in there late 30’s to pricey three year contracts.

    The Dipsy

  22. George

    June 1, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Everyone so far thinks this slump is worse than past slumps, but I disagree. So far it’s lasted about ten games. Last year’s skid went on far longer. Although they weren’t shut out so often, they still couldn’t hit much of anything aimed over the plate, and were defeated consistently by fifth starters.

    We should all be rooting for this team to break out, not calling for heads. Ibanez has shown some positive signs (he’s the only one I can think of who has actually gotten some extra-base hits). They hit the ball hard against Matsuzaka, some of the other pitchers they’ve faced, though inconsistent, could hardly be called garbage, and they’ve scored runs without Rollins the entire stretch, and without Polanco the last three games. They’ll be back soon. I don’t look for this streak–as horrible as it is–to be nearly as bad in the long run as was the offensive collapse in 2009.

  23. Bart Shart

    June 1, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Keep that positive attitude. But you all will be crying when the Phils sink into last place in the Division and are fighting the Marlins. And a book will come out entitled “THEY ALL GOT OLD AND RICH AT ONCE.”
    It is indeed tough being a Stepford Wife. Try to enjoy the summer.

  24. psujoe

    June 1, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Brown is in the midst of a big slump batting .194 over his last 10 games. No way you touch him now.

    The Phils are tied for 1st in the loss column despite a huge number of injuries. Chilax everyone. I’ll worry if they end up more than 4 or 5 out with less than 2 months to play.

  25. Bart Shart

    June 1, 2010 at 11:01 am

    The Phils will lose tonight to the Braves — 4-1. Ryan Howard will singlehandedly strand four. And everyone will wait for his “HOT STREAK” that will never arrive. His contract will be listed as the biggest bust in sports. Shart is almost always right, remember that.

  26. George

    June 1, 2010 at 11:02 am

    I see that God (Bart Shart) has spoken again. I always thought God might not have a sense of humor, and the Stepford Wife comment proves it. It’s as funny as a turd in the punchbowl.

  27. Bart Shart

    June 1, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Anyway, I have a client meeting soon and I live by the billable hour. Be grateful that I do not charge you fellow Phillies fans for my time. But after all, we are all in the same boat, aren’t we.


    Bart Shart

  28. The Dipsy

    June 1, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Bart – Come out of the basement, change out of your pajamas, give your mom a kiss, jump into your Dodge Dart, and go find yourself a job. A paper route is no way for a 37 year old man to make a living, even if he does have his GED. Good luck.

    The Dipsy

  29. MikeB.

    June 1, 2010 at 11:05 am

    George and Chuck; why do you just not bypass other people’s negative and “bashing” comments on here? When you start to read them and start getting the notion that they are negative and/or bashing, discontinue reading them and move on to other posts. Your comments about them are in the same negative and bashing light. Sure, the negativity and the bashing get “old” but free speech…you know? Everybody is different and view things and express themselves in how they feel in different ways.

  30. Bart Shart

    June 1, 2010 at 11:10 am

    George and Dipsy, I did not want to upset you fellas. However, I will be 37 in about five years. ANd I did get to become one of the youngest partners in my firm earlier this year. I make a damn good living. My reward for being a really good student and poor athlete. Hope you let some sunshine into your day. But PLEASE do not expect the Phils to be the source of your joy. Not now, anyway.


    Bart Shart

  31. Bart Shart

    June 1, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Even though my clients are late, I still get to charge them for the time. So, who is lucky today??

    Ans: Bart Shart

  32. lurkinggrue

    June 1, 2010 at 11:23 am

    The Dipsy: LOL!!!!!!

  33. Bart Shart

    June 1, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Hey Dipsy, have you noticed that I am emulating you? I now put my name at the bottom of my posts. I add “Respectfully”. Maybe someday I will be more like you.


    Bart Shart

  34. Don M

    June 1, 2010 at 11:35 am

    I think it was just last week when everyone was saying the Braves were done??

    But its early, and we’re as banged-up as any team in baseball right now

    the one player that was signed to help prevent the offense from slumping..Polanco.. is on the shelf right now with an injury …. we’ll be alright, just need to get healthy. Good thing the season is 162 games long!

  35. The Dipsy

    June 1, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Dear Bart:

    RE: Your posts

    Please be advised that I have been retained to represent the fans of Phillies Nation who utilize the aforementioned site to contribute and exchange constructive commentary.

    My clients have requested that I formally request, on their behalf, that you kindly refrain from any further postings that are of blithering, idiotic, juvenile, irritating, or otherwise frivolous nature. My clients have had previous experience with your “type” of contributor and do not wish to be asked to read your non sensical rambling going forward. My clients view you as a nuisance and hereby request that you move on to perhaps the TeleTubbies or SuperMario forum pages where they believe you will be more comfortable.

    Thank you for your consideration in this matter and if you have any questions or require additional information, please keep it to yourself.


    The Dipsy

    The Dipsy

  36. The Dipsy

    June 1, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Oh, and Bart, I wanna turn you on to a concept: girls. They are soft and cuddly and you can ask them on dates and have fun with them and spend time with one that you like, if they like you, you can even do stuff like kiss and go to the movies. If you want, I can send you a pamphlet on them. Or, just call Chuck or Don M. and they will give you the lowdown on how all this works. I think you might like it.

    The Dipsy

  37. Chuck

    June 1, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Mike B. …..Why should I “bypass” other people’s negative comments when I have a problem with them. People are so quick to fault RAJ and the Phillies for various things…..but they are unwilling to give credit where credit is due.

    Like I have said before…..this team has a track record of success now that really stretches back to the early 2000s with competitive teams. We have 3 straight NL East titles, two straight pennants and a World Series title.

    And….despite our problems RIGHT NOW….this team will be fine and my bet is for them to be in the postseason again.

    So I really don’t have a whole lot to complain about with management right now.

  38. Jeff

    June 1, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Thank god Bart was not an athlete. He knows nothing about the game. I know you all say the Phillies go through this but nothing ever like this. Hey where are the Met fans. 18 RUNS. ARE YOU KIDDING ME

  39. Chuck

    June 1, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    What?? So now I have to give Bart advice on girls? No thanks. Besides…he probably wouldn’t grasp the concept anyway.

  40. Bart Shart

    June 1, 2010 at 12:07 pm


    I appreciate you frontal attack. Entertaining and well-written. I only speak the truth. If Stepford Wives have difficulty swallowing a bittier but accurate pill, then they should learn to accept the truth.

    Moreover, I doubt seriously that anyone would retain your services to represent them. Just an observance, not a criticism. Perhaps I am wrong and you could be retained to sell hot dogs at the stadium. There you go, a retained talent indeed. I doubt that you have the equanimity to represent anyone, even yourself. Selling hot dogs may fit well into your bandwidth of talent and composure.

    Also, you may want to be retained by Chuck. You could help him put on his Phillies baseball hat each day. He does brag about wearing one every day. Now that is sophomoric, if anything is.

    Rest assured, I will keep posting. And I will strive not to piss you off.


    Bart Shart.

    PS: Regarding your comment about girls, I am married and have a wonderful daughter and a child due in September. Try to have some fun today and stop worrying, little fella,

  41. Don M

    June 1, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    What the hell happened to this site??

    people used to talk about baseball on here

  42. Chuck

    June 1, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    I think the “slump” is getting to everybody.

    Stay positive, PhilliesNation. This team will be ok.

    Oh, and what’s up with the lame awards for the Jeltz? “The Offense”??
    Seriously, can’t ONE player be picked for each game like it always was in the past?

  43. Georgie

    June 1, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Dips, you’re very funny today……but as one of the “senior” members of PN, I’ve had the (ahem) privilege of knowing, and yes, dating, guys like B.S. And although they are obviously intelligent, and even humorous at times, their main objective is to attract as much attention to themselves as possible, using any means available. B.S might say he’s just fooling around, but he craves the limelight and is basking in it right now, right here.

    I’m going to flick the annoying little flea off……

  44. Georgie

    June 1, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Don M., I was wondering where you’ve been. Good to “see” you!

  45. The Dipsy

    June 1, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Georgie – You are right. I think I am just rammy from the slump. I am going to ignore Bart. But somehow, I can’t get the image of Bart hanging out down in his mom’s basement with one of the old school habitrails set up along the walls and ceiling with hamsters just running wild, a few black light posters, and Frampton Comes Alive playing, and skipping, from an old eight track….with Bart watching the Price is Right on an rabbit eared black and white T.V…..waiting… see…..his “clients” (shh. They’re invisible)

    The Dipsy

  46. Chuck

    June 1, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    See, I was right when I said the slump was getting to people. Dipsy is affected so much that he’s now resorting to entertaining people like Bart Fart.

    Seriously, though…..we as fans have GOT to somehow will this team to snap out of this funk. Bashing RAJ, Ryan Howard, Raul Ibanez, etc. isn’t gonna do it. I understand the frustration and the impulse to just lash out at anyone that seems like they are responsible.

    But the reality is that any one person or contract or decision alone isn’t responsible for this slump.

  47. Don M

    June 1, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    last week I on vacation… but before that I was just busy at work, and didn’t feel like having daily arguements with people about how, despite some of our best players on the DL at some point in this young season, we’re still playing winning baseball

    …..and then with slumps comes the random BS about Ibanez was a bad contract.. etc.. its annoying..

    Without Ibanez last year, we don’t make the playoffs … so it was a good signing in my book.

    Its just funny that 2 weeks ago, everyone was saying how the rest of the NL EAST was finished.. the Braves sucked, etc ….and now we’re in a slump, so we need to start complaining about everything-Phillies ?

  48. Don M

    June 1, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    sometimes slumps can just be mental ….. getting shut down twice in 3-4 days by two Knuckleball pitchers can do a funny thing to a hitter’s confidence..

    and the other guys they faced in that span looked pretty damn good too.. including DICE K , PELFREY, JOSH JOHNSON… all of whom look on top of their games right now …

    we’ll be alright though.. “playoffs again in 2010”

  49. Philly Texan

    June 1, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    I’m doing my best to ride out the slump — they’ve done this before of course — but they’re making it tough on me.

    It seems to me that facing Dice-K (who throws some weird f-ing pitches) and then two straight knuckleballers on three straight games has messed up everyone’s swings. Werth and Utley look completely lost at the plate. And Howard is one of the stretches where he’s just not seeing the ball.

    It can’t be a coincidence that three-game stretch was 10 days ago and the Phils haven’t scored more than three runs since–and have been shutout five times.

  50. Bob in Bucks

    June 1, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    How long do we say “not time to panic”. OK, I am not going to panic. But June is usually a tough month for the Phillies because of interleague play.
    Let’s look at the schedule (why no one ever discusses schedule in baseball is beyond me – we had an easy April schedule.):

    June 1-2 – Braves – Tough pitching match but Phils normally can handle them
    June 4-8 Padres – This will be tough, best starters in the league.
    June8-10 Marlins – Decent pitching but not a major challenge
    Jun311-13 RedSox – in Boston – Not good, hope we take one
    June15-17 Yankees in NY – Never easy
    June 18-20 – Twins at home – leading the AL Central
    June 22-24 – Indians at home – on paper the easiest series
    June 25-27 – Blue Jays away/home or whatever – Good team even without Doc
    June 28-39 Reds – Leading the NL Central

    Notice that this month’s schedule is a lot harder than one would have thought with the surprising Reds and Padres and the better than expected performance of the Blue Jays.

    This may be the toughest month as the only team with a losing record are the Indians and Marlins(barely). If the Phils can draw even it will be a good record but I don’t expect them to be in first place on June 30.

    The truth is that the easiest part of the schedule is behind us. We had some horrible draws with double Red Sox series, Yanks again and seven games against the Padres while fewer games against Pittsburgh.

  51. Don M

    June 1, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Our current roster would go .500 in June …

    I would think that if we can get our Gold Glove, leadoff hitting SS ….our #4 Starting Pitcher… our primary Setup Man, etc back … we should be in good shape!

    The Phillies are about to put a hurtin on the Padres and Marlins in their next homestand

  52. Bart Shart

    June 1, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    It’s DIPSY DOODLE time. And don’t forget to flush and wash your hands.

  53. Chuck

    June 1, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Things started to go sour with the offense before the two knuckleballers with the Pirates and Cubs. Dice K and the two knuckleballers only made things worse.

    Losing J-Roll…..again….I think really has affected this team. They managed to win without him the first time…..but the schedule was easier then. And, I think the fact that he went down for the second time, that has had a negative effect.

    Funny, too, how the Phillies managed two wins in the Marlins series with Roy’s perfecto and the win the night before where Kendrick actually pitched very well and Contreras was NASTY out of the pen to close it. And Moyer pitched GREAT on Sunday in that 1-0 loss.

    But people forget that the starting pitching in particular has been really good through this.

  54. Chuck

    June 1, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    The title of this thread is “Phillies Drop to Second Place”

    There are some old phrases like “It’s better to be pissed off than pissed on” and “It’s better than a sharp stick in the eye”

    Second place is better than 3rd…or last.

    Relax, everyone. This is just a slump. Not a “collapse” like somebody mentioned the other day.

  55. Bart Shart

    June 1, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Chuck, you are making some sense. I hope you are accurate in your predictions. We all want a winner. It’s just that some of us see the glass as half empty, and for good reason.

  56. Georgie

    June 1, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    haha, Dips…hamsters, black light posters and Frampton….flashback here, minus the hamsters.

    yeah, the slump is affecting all of us, I’m even feeling grrrrumpy today, and that just NEVER happens. Btw, I saw a comment by our bestest Mets fan, Grrrrumpy Miner, on another thread….hiya Grrrumps!

    I sort of remember my dad telling me that a knuckleball pitcher can screw up your timing/swing for a while. That was back in the Niekro days, but, anyhow, couple that with the fact the Phillies faced two of them in a row, AND, imo, they were headed into an offensive slump prior to that, it’s not a complete shock that they’re in this funk right now. It is a little shocking how bad it is, but they are missing Jimmy and Polly.

    These guys’ bats are way too strong to remain in this kind of slump for much longer, it’s just not possible. We still have one of the best teams in the league, and we should really appreciate that, because we all (most) remember what it was like to watch the crappy Phillies teams of the past. I’m going to try to remain positive, and weather this storm…there are brighter days ahead, Phils fans.

  57. Chuck

    June 1, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    So just what IS the real status on J-Roll and Polly? Yeah….we need them.

    While I understand the need to shake things up a bit, having Ross Gload lead off was kind of a head-scratcher. And that’s taking nothing away from Gload. He can hit.

  58. Manny

    June 1, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    LETS GO PHILLIES! clap clap clap clap clap

  59. George

    June 1, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Mike B–
    Sometimes one begins to read a comment and finds the negativity before he has a chance to stop reading it.

    There are some people I avoid reading because I know they are attention craving braggarts and jerks, but sometimes it takes two or three posts before you realize that they are ALWAYS negative weasels with juvenile senses of humor.

    Personally, I don’t think either of my first comments contained any negativity. The Bart Shart God remark was aimed only at him, and will be the only one aimed at him, because I’ll no longer read his tripe. I’ve found out he’s the kind of person I wouldn’t allow on my front porch, let alone in my living room. No one else should have suffered for my comment, unless they disapprove of the word “turd.” (If they do, I’m sorry for the offense.)

    Please reread my first two posts. The first merely states the obvious about certain commenters, but doesn’t belittle them. It goes on to praise some of Amaro’s moves, points out that Howard is not yet making $25 million, and therefore may not be overpaid when his raise kicks in, and ends with a legitimate question concerning Blanton. The second post states why I don’t find this slump as bad as last year’s. I’ve tried to point out some facts and to ask some real questions. I fail to see the negativity in any of that.

  60. Chuck

    June 1, 2010 at 3:24 pm


    Good luck in getting Mike B to respond to your well thought out explanation. He hasn’t yet responded to my remarks directed at him at 11:55 AM.

    Until I get an explanation from him I will assume he agrees with me.

  61. psujoe

    June 1, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Look at the bright side. Werth’s value is coming back down to earth. Madson, Lidge, Happ and Rollins should all be rested for the stretch run, piching has been very good and an unhearalded 18 year old is hitting over .400 for the Blue Claws and may move up tp Clearwater. Whoe needs Howard, just kidding.

  62. Chuck

    June 1, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    My Phillies hat is on.


    1) I don’t study your posts.

    2)I am not obsessed with you and

    3) I have ZERO respect for you.

    Go Phillies!!

  63. Brooks

    June 1, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    I just cannot wait until June 5th, I have tiks to see my boys vs San Diego. This slumpin will not continue and I plan on being on board when the hellfire breaks out.
    8 )

    Go Phils!

  64. Brooks

    June 1, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    I think it was Georgie who said the other day, “Why feed the trolls?”

  65. Chuck

    June 1, 2010 at 6:28 pm


    Bart isn’t a troll.

    He’s a total BUFFOON.

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  67. shag beta sigma delta

    June 1, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    I too will be at both this weekend games in Phila against the Padres, My sister blames the slump on me because I did not make the trip down there for the Sunday game against the Red Sox, I live in Vermont with Sunday ticket package, but because of work could not go to that game. In the the last three years I have only seen them lose twice, opening day against the Braves last year, and a Baltimore game last year when I missed the first three innings stuck on the Subway. And I was 2-1 on my vacation, in Arizona, San Fran and Philly. Cali. is just bad luck for me anyway so I excuse that one. Now I have tickets to Sat and Sun, hopefully they will win out till then and continue my personal winning streak

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