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Bullpen Blows 5-run Lead in 9th, Phils Lose in 11

Just when you think you have it sewn up, the baseball Gods play tricks on you. Just when you think the slumping offense has sent you to an easy victory, the bullpen sticks it to you. They did just that as Minnesota scored nine runs over the final three innings to win in come-from-behind fashion, 13-10 in 11 innings.

Cole Hamels pitched seven decent innings, certainly fine enough to allow the Phillies their fourth straight win. But baseball is a funny game, isn’t it?

Carrying a 9-4 lead into the ninth, the Twins slammed the Phillies bullpen for five runs to tie it up.  Jim Thome smashed a two-run bomb into the Twins bullpen off Jose Contreras to cut the lead to three. Another run would score on a Delmon Young single to center field and with two outs, one of the best in baseball would turn the game completely upside down.

Joe Mauer would rip the second home run of the inning, this one off Brad Lidge, into the Phils bullpen in center field to make it 9-9. The Phillies would put two on in the bottom of the inning, but Ryan Howard and Jayson Werth would go down on strikeouts to end the threat.

In the 10th, Drew Butera (who?) led off with a homer to left off of Chad Durbin. A five run lead vanished, and just as quickly, Minnesota jumped in front, 10-9.

With two outs in the bottom of the 10th, Ross Gload was the last gasp of air for the Phillies. And didn’t the guy hit one just over the fence under the right field foul pole to tie it at 10 and keep the team alive? You bet he did. What a funny game.

Forget about the home run though, because that quickly went by the wayside. Danys Baez came in to pitch the 11th and three more runs appeared on the board. Baez’s struggles continued as he allowed two hits and walked two batters, giving Minnesota a 13-10 cushion that they would not relinquish. Jon Rauch, who served up Gload’s homer in the 10th, would put the seal on an unconscionable Phils loss.

All the way back in the early innings, Cole Hamels actually pitched a pretty good game. He had himself a Jekyll and Hyde afternoon and in the end, was betrayed by his bullpen.

In the 35-minute first inning, the Twins struck for three early runs off of Hamels as all nine batters stepped to the plate. Justin Morneau knocked in two on a single to start the scoring for Minnesota. An error by Hamels one batter later left the door open and Delmon Young took advantage. He drove in Morneau on an RBI-double and just like that it was 3-0.

That first inning was uncharacteristic of him as of late as he struggled with his command (sort of) and was taken to task by the entire Minny order. Beyond that opening frame, Hamels locked it down. At one point, Cole retired 13 in a row before Justin Morneau opened up the sixth inning with a launch into RF.

The Phillies wouldn’t wait long to counter. They would score three in the first and then four more in the second inning to run Twins starter Kevin Slowey after just 1 2/3 innings. Over those two innings, homers by Wilson Valdez (yep!) and Ryan Howard accentuate another breakout by the sticks. Raul Ibanez and Jayson Werth also went yard.

For the once-hibernating offense, this is certainly a 180 from the last month.  Over their last four games, the Phillies have scored 32 runs.  Prior to that, it took the Phillies nearly nine full games to score that many. For the second time this season, the Phils hit four or more home runs. They did that ten times in 2009.

Sadly, the continual roll of the offense will be overshadowed by the implosion on the mound.

Over his seven innings of work, Hamels threw 79 strikes in 117 pitches and struck out seven batters en route to win number seven. His fastball routinely touched 94 (although not the 95-96 we saw in Boston) and he mixed in his devastating change up . Once pitch we did not see? His now infamous cutter.

Charlie Manuel called this one “tough” over and over in his post-game press conference. He also said it’s one they’ll need to forget about for tomorrow. That’s easier said than done.



  1. Jeff

    June 19, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    The Phillies bullpen is PATHETIC. Most of these guys should be gone. A five run lead in the ninth. Are you kidding me. Just plain horrible. There is no other words to describe. Should of been easy sailing in that last inning. This is a game that stings alot. I just got back from the game and I want to vomit. The only good news besides the offense the Phillies usually forget about these games quickly. With Doc going next he will rebound and they will win. Just horrible and could of picked up a game on the Muts.

  2. QU Sam

    June 19, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    i only saw the 11th inning, but my god just how bad is the BP? Contreras at least got some outs in the 8th…Lidge, after a couple of close calls, finally blows another one, and Baez continues to be useless. I think the Phils need to take a long, hard look at Lidge, and realize no matter how close his fastball returns to normal, they got one fantastic season out of him, and while he will still be better this year than last, he will never give them at least a feel of consistency in the 9th a-la Rivera or Joe Nathan (pre-injury). And PLEASE get rid of Baez. He cannot pitch in close games or blowouts.

  3. Scott in D.C.

    June 19, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    I still think we can say the Great Slump is behind us. Today’s loss was an all-too-familiar, ’09-style meltdown.

  4. David

    June 19, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    One thing under Charlie Manuel. They have had these types of losses before and have always been good at recovering from them. They had a 3 run lead this year with 2 out against the Braves and it vanished. In 2007, they blew a 6 run lead against the Braves with Brett Myers and recovered nicely. They blew a lot of games last year late although not with a 5 run lead. I think I remember the Mets coming back from a 4 run deficit with David Wright hitting 2 homers.

    Up until today, Contreras has been very sold. So I can’t question the choice of pitchers either.

    The Phillies just have to get ready for tomorrow and not worry about this one.

  5. WOODY

    June 19, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Cut Dobbs and Baez. Bring up Matheson. Fire Ruben Amaro, Jr. Let THE DIPSY run this ballclub, if the players would respect him.


  6. THE DIPSY for GM

    June 19, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    I think THE DIPSY would do an excellent job. He likely thinks so, as well. DIPSY for General Manager !!!! Can’t be worse than Amaro

  7. THE DIPSY for GM

    June 19, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    He would have to change his name. THE DIPSY just doesn’t say ‘leadership.”

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  9. shag beta sigma delta

    June 19, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    I know I would see all this bull pen sucks crap on here tonight when I saw the box score, I had to work so I did not see the game, and I could not DVR it either, so I will not be able to watch it. But the bull pen has been pretty solid all year, and Lidge has been on top of his game since coming back the second time from the DL, so can we please stop all this BS. They got hit, it happens, Doc got hit by a team that could not figure out KK or Moyer, so it just happens. Win tomorrow and this game is forgotten. I think it is just a little more bad Karma for Cole, again I did not see the game but after the first he settle down, something he was not able to do last year. I just think it is a little baseball god payback for his temper tantrums last year. But you got to feel for the guy, he has been a rock for a month now. Beaz has struggle all year, and Contreaus as been pretty good too. As long as the offense stays hot for a few weeks, and does not go into another slump for extented period of time this team will make up the 2 games in the loss column soon. All the starters with exception of Doc had solid outings, in their last starts. If the bull pen blows up again then you can cry about RAJ not doing enough for the pen. But come on folks it is one game, the offense is hitting again and for power and scoring runs. You really believe that this bull pen -Beaz can not shut down games. Did you expect perfection from Lidge again, the other night he got really squeezed and got out of a self imposed jam, but he got out of it. So can the guy blow one save without saying here comes 09 again. And you know what, if he melts down again, maybe Jose is a better closer than a set up guy it happens, and Madson has be back soon. So get over it, hit and score runs for Doc tomorrow and move on.

  10. Jeff of Nova

    June 19, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Charlie should get the Jeltz award, he blew this the night before

    This Bullpen has been spectacular this year, was about time they blew one, but Charlie does not help them cause he is a moron with a pitching staff

  11. shag beta sigma delta

    June 19, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    One more thing if they come out and win behind Doc tomorrow, is there anyone in here that would not be happy winning 4 out of 6 games against two AL division leaders? And 5 out of 8 in the last 8 IL games. I mean you won 2 games in NY against the spankys with KK and Moyer. Let’s look at the big picture it is not August or September, it is June and you are going to lose games. I say you win Sunday, and then if you do not sweep the Indians then you can get mad, especially if they are going to score 7-10 runs a game. BIG PICTURE BOYS BIG PICTURE

  12. Morris Buttermaker

    June 19, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    I just got back from the game. It was strange, with the way they lost I felt like I was back at the Vet. Once the twins tied it up, everybody in the stadium knew the Phillies were going to lose. A terrible defeat. Werth and Howard both had a chance to win the game in the 9th and both came up small. Terrible performance by the bullpen. There is something majorly wrong with the team.

  13. George

    June 19, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    To the guy who said “bring up Mathieson: They already did. He pitched last night and coughed up two runs in less than an inning. He’s still not ready, or so it seems, and the front office is making preparations to send him back down.

    So far, Baez has been the only really weak part (Herndon’s not great, but he’s seviceable in his limited role) of the Phils’ ‘pen, but tonight, everyone except Romero was off. Otherwise, Baez wouldn’t have been anywhere near the mound.
    I think if Madson comes back showing more than he did before his stupid injury, Manuel will limit Baez’s appearances even more, and it seems possible his salary will be eaten by the team. He obviously hasn’t been what the Phils expected.

  14. The Dipsy

    June 19, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    RE: Lidge.

    He obviously had no confidence in his fastball today so he kept leading guys off with his “slider-strike” pitch, which moves a little but not a lot. Well, everyone got wise to it after a couple of batters and Mauer saw it coming. If Lidge is going to be effective he has to be able to throw that fastball. He didn’t wanna throw it today. Its comes in at 91-94 and its just not fast enough or moving enough.

    As for the guy who wants me to be GM, I would love the job. I could do it. I would need to put “my people” in place though. Georgie, Chuck, Don M. Shag, philsgurl.

    The Braves are for realz, yo. Thats a good team. And Escobar and McClouth have done nothing so far and Jerrjens has been out. I don’t think they’re going away.

    The Dipsy

  15. George

    June 19, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    To Jeff of Nova:

    So you’re still harping on last night, eh? The bullpen is supposed to be able to pitch on back to back nights, which is precisely what they were called on to do. It’s the PITCHERS’ fault for not doing their jobs, not Manuel’s fault for expecting them to.

  16. shag beta sigma delta

    June 19, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    Come on now the offense puts up 10 runs and you are going to blame them for not getting one more in the 9th. The pen lost this game, flat out, but does that mean the suck, no, it means they had a bad game. I mean the offense took off 3 weeks and some, not all, but some of us on here knew they were not that bad of an offensive team they would come around. Well the pen has had an off game, they are better then that, Doc had a bad game against the Sox, does that mean he sucks, no, it is baseball, sh*@t happens

  17. phills fan

    June 19, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    Baez does need to go or needs some serious work in non crucial innings. Also I am sick of people saying Charlie mis used the pen and that’s why they lost. Up 9-4 and brining in contreas and lidge is not mis using the pen. The pen just did not do their job

  18. THE DIPSY for GM

    June 19, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    You could do it, Dipsy. You would be much better than Amaro. You have a very good, logical and strategic baseball mind. Plus you would likely be much more effective with the finances and use funds very judiciously.

    But…. how would you deal with Howard Eskin and other vultures from the press ?

  19. shag beta sigma delta

    June 19, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    dipsy thanks for the job offer, I guess if you are going to be like that I’ll vote for you to be GM. I did miss the game today, worked, and I live in VT so it wasn’t even on extra innings so I will not see it. And since you speak the truth I will agree, that Lidge, does need his fastball, but if his strike slider is working and his nasty slider is working, I think he can get away with 91-94, because if they are looking for that strike slider, and he puts a 92 MPH fastball over most guys will swing and miss or foul it off. And could some of this melt down be due to Chooch not catching these guys. Maybe?

  20. George

    June 19, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Lidge’s pitch selection: part of warming up is to find out what pitches are actually going to work when you reach the mound. Maybe Lidge didn’t seem to have confidence in his fastball because he knew it wasn’t coming out of his hand right.

    But maybe Mauer is just a pretty good hitter, and would have whacked anything.

    I like The Dipsy, but I don’t think I’d want him as GM, or even as Head Peanut Vendor. Sometimes he’s just a little too wacky with his trade and free agent proposals.

  21. shag beta sigma delta

    June 19, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    yea but George, that is what is people would be there for to rein him in once in a while. You know when he starts going all wacky, we just taser him and he will come back down to earth.

  22. George

    June 19, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    Yes, the Dipsy would be very effective with finances. I know he’d have signed Jermaine Dye for less than Dye had already turned down, and had him sit on the bench, which Dye had already said he wouldn’t do.

  23. George

    June 19, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    AHA! No wonder The Dipsy wrote that well thought out piece about not tasering fans. He’s trying to keep his OWN PEOPLE from zapping him!

  24. psujoe

    June 19, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    They should let Mathiason stay up until Bastardo gets back. I seriously hope they’ve contacted Eyre for a second have return.

    When is Madson back?

  25. jt

    June 20, 2010 at 12:09 am

    They need to accept that lidge was a one year wonder and is never gonna get back to his 08 form…baez has been garbage his whole career why is he on the team…I agree dobbs needs to be cut he’s another guy that gave the team one good season but just sucks now…

  26. psujoe

    June 20, 2010 at 12:21 am

    From mlbtraderumors

    3:06pm: Mathieson has been placed on optional waivers, according to Gelb. Assistant GM Scott Proefrock is hopeful that the club will be able to retain the righthander. Because optional waivers are revocable, they should be able to keep him in the organization.

  27. MikeB.

    June 20, 2010 at 12:55 am

    This loss was just a shame. After Hamels departed it was like the bullpen was pitching so they could just give this game back to Minnesota wrapped up in a pretty red ribbon. Ball after ball pitched was thrown over the middle of the plate or close to it. Minnesota back-up catcher Butera, who is only hitting .175, hits his first ML career home run. No excuse for Thome’s pinch hit home run either. Has to be one of the worst losses this year so far so far as the way they lost it goes.

  28. MikeB.

    June 20, 2010 at 1:18 am

    Chad Durbin is not dependable in late innings close game situations either, right along with Baez. Durbin needs to go to basically just long relief situations and Baez, well, he just needs to “go” period. Durbin does not usually give up many runs when he pitches but always seems to allow a run or two, often in giving up home runs. Seldom gets out of innings unscathed.

  29. Nunzio Scholeri

    June 20, 2010 at 1:23 am

    The Dipsy would fire everyone, because as far as I can tell he hates almost every player on this team (depending on what day it is). A loss for the Phillies is a win for The Dipsy because it gives him fodder for his theories about why each player on the team is dead weight and useless. Not the kind of guy I want running the team. Though I’m sure it would be entertaining to watch.

  30. karen

    June 20, 2010 at 1:34 am

    wow….to truly pretty much deem mathisan as not being good enough in philly…..sad. it was his first outing..demote dobbs or baez

  31. Greg

    June 20, 2010 at 2:11 am

    Okay, I know this doesn’t have much to do with the 9th inning blowout, but can anyone tell me why Ross Gload doesn’t get more at bats? He’s already hit 3 PH homers, which is 3 times as many hits as Dobbs has pinch hit for. Why is Dobbs being given so many more at-bats than Ross? Gload clearly is a superior lefty off the bench, but gets to hit in a 1:3 ratio to Dobbs.

  32. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 20, 2010 at 2:48 am

    The bullpen wasnt exposed as the team sucked.
    Now it is. Always issue #!

  33. Ted Bell

    June 20, 2010 at 6:16 am

    Random thoughts on a Sunday morning:

    The Voodoo Shrine is now 3-1. So close to 4-0.

    Brad Lidge is still a scary proposition.

    Heading into the season, I thought the Braves would be trouble. Nothing that’s happened so far has changed my opinion.

    Greg Dobbs is stealing money.

    Happy Father’s Day.

    I’m Ted Bell.

  34. NJ

    June 20, 2010 at 6:38 am

    Ed R- Do you want to lead the Dannys Baez sucks chorus?

    Lidge has been consistent enough to think he’ll be OK going forward, closers blow saves…

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  36. Chuck

    June 20, 2010 at 7:24 am

    The only pitcher that REALLY pisses me off right now is Baez. Lidge, Contreras, Durbin, Romero have actually been pretty good all season. Baez has had some ok outings as well…..but the guy is DEFINITELY not living up to the off-season hype.

    You can’t just say the “bullpen sucks” after yesterday’s game. Stuff like this happens….move on.

    Oh, and give props to the Twins…..they aren’t leading the AL Central for no reason. They are a good team and a good organization that has always been contending and challenging in some way or another.

    I said before the Phils beat the Yanks on Thursday that they would probably lose that game and then it would be good to take 2 of 3 from the Twins. Well…..we beat the Yanks that night to take 2 of 3 from them and 2 of 3 from the Twins is still VERY possible. Look for Doc to have a chip on his shoulder today!


    Dipsy….I am flattered that you want me to be part of your “people”. I still don’t agree with the Jermaine Dye argument though!

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  38. The Dipsy

    June 20, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Now that there is an official movement afoot to make me G.M. of the Phillies, here are the things I would do as soon as I took office:

    1. Bring back Phil and Phillis and the fountains that used to go off when the Phils would hit a homer;
    2. Replace Chris Wheeler;
    3. Make Jimmy Rollins and Ryan Madson heal faster.

    The Dipsy

  39. George

    June 20, 2010 at 8:34 am

    To Karen:

    Since when is “he’s still not ready, OR SO IT SEEMS” a statement that Mathieson is “not good enough in Philly?”

    The fact the front office didn’t outright option him back to AAA would indicate that he’ll be back. Right now, they had to have an extra catcher for two or three days. Had they optioned Mathieson, he wouldn’t be able to be recalled for ten days (I believe that’s the number, but it might be fifteen). The team certainly isn’t going forward for long with an eleven man pitching staff.

    He may have had the jitters in his one appearance, I’ll grant that. The point is, though, that he still may not be ready for a slot on a pennant contender. That does not mean he is no good and has no future with the team.

  40. The Dipsy

    June 20, 2010 at 8:34 am

    It is also very funny to me that Jermaine Dye would rather sit at home and rot than accept a role and salary that apparently 28 (or whatever) other teams deem he is worth and nothing more. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins, you know.

    The Dipsy

  41. NJ

    June 20, 2010 at 9:18 am

    The problem with the bullpen is hindsight makes it very easy to pick out who should have pitched and when.

    Durbin is having a very good season, he is reliable in any situation but as with any reliever who’s going to pitch 70-80 in every situation possible in relief he’s going to give up runs. Romero has returned to being one of the best left handed options in the game and the only thing stopping him coming back next year is his salary when Bastardo is developing nicely to assume that role. Herndon isn’t a major league player right now but neither was Vic when he was claimed so your just trying to get the guy work and keep him around cause he could develop into a hell of a power sinker/guy. With Lidge and Contreras its a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation because they have to pitch every two/three days to be consistent and every game you run the risk of overusing them or not putting them in the game and running the risk of them not pitching for 4/5 days and getting rusty. So that brings us to Baez… In hindsight he could have come in when Contreras did, he’s going to give up runs but he’s going to soak up innings and that has to be in middle relief and not situations where the game is on the line… Problem is you give up runs at the end of the game that has an effect on the the team so your damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

  42. Jeff of Nova

    June 20, 2010 at 9:38 am

    I think you are mistaking why I think Charlie is to blame…

    Yes the bullpen blew up and yes they should be able to come up two nights in row, but Lidge was used in a nonsave situation the night before so was Durbin, why waste the best part of your bullpen in that situation, thats why you have guys like Baez and such.

    Lidge yes is much healthier but he has not proven he can do it 2 nights in a row, why do this????

    Made no sense the night before, Ed and I kept bringing it up and everyone was focusing on the fact we scored so many runs…. The point is you need to manage your team and knowing the right moments to pull triggers with each guy is Charlie’s job, He has done a good job over the years, but he has clearly blown it time in and time out this year.

    That all being said the guys need to perform and there is no excuse for last night, but we need to look at the big picture too.

    In the grand scheme of things this is the first time this happened like this in the current year, no bad for being late June.

    Last year it seemed like every night the bullpen was blowing up.

    The Bullpen has been the best in the NL to this point, I will give them a break once…. Charlie needs to stop making bonehead calls.

  43. Ed R.

    June 20, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Great point Jeff, you are absolutely right. I will never understand the way in which Charlie uses his pen. Two nights ago was when Baez and Hendron should have been used. Of course, they may have blown that game and Lidge may have had to come in anyway but why waste your best relievers when you don’t need too. No chance Romero goes today, it would be 4 days in a row which means we will be stuck with a righty – lefty match up when Mauer and Morneau come up late in the game.

    At the end of the day, as Jeff said, the pitchers need to perform regardless. But a manager needs to put them in positions better suited for their roles. Sadly, he is stuck having to use no talent hacks like Baez.

    And yes NJ, I will lead the Baez sucks chorus and the as well as the movement to get him removed from the team. I wish they would DFA him and see if some team is dumb enough to trade for him or claim him off of waivers…two year contract? What a joke.

    The Good Doctor is making a house call today. Let’s hope he can go the distance and get us the W cause our pen could use two days off.

  44. The Dipsy

    June 20, 2010 at 10:12 am

    I think that we all should be more concerned with the whereabouts of Brad Lidge’s fastball.

    The Dipsy

  45. NJ

    June 20, 2010 at 10:21 am

    I think Baez is fine to soak up innings with a 4ish ERA but he isn’t a set-up guy, he’s just flat out too inconsistent with his pitches.

    Charlie seems to either shorten his pen to often which leads to him being shortsighted. His history with Baez is a negative, he overvalues what kind of pitcher Baez is now.

  46. Randomguy

    June 20, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Who’s bad, and that’s the way aha aha I like it.

  47. Randomguy

    June 20, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Phills suck, Phills suck, Phills suck, Phills suck, Phills suck, Phills suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

  48. Chuck

    June 20, 2010 at 10:59 am

    *I like Wheeler (yeah, I know…I’m in the minority)

    *Jermaine Dye is stupid.

  49. Jeff of Nova

    June 20, 2010 at 11:04 am

    The Dipsy
    Lidge just didn’t have his fast ball last night but then again he pitched the night before, all goes to my point.

  50. Ed R.

    June 20, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Problem is Baez has like a 5ish era, and really should only be used in garbage innings…problem is, Charlie seems to use Herndon for that. Which, makes sense. So that being the case, Charlie has no choice but to use Baez when he does. I blame RAJ for even signing this ass hat.

  51. Ed R.

    June 20, 2010 at 11:35 am

    As for the Braves, Dipsy is absolutely right…first place without contributions from McClouth, Escobar or Chipper(except against the Phillies) and the guy they expected to be their ace, J.J being out the entire year and yet, they are leading the division but 4.5 over the Phillies.

    Easiest way to catch them is to beat them head to head, and not blow games like yesterday and unless our pen rights itself that might be tough.

    Hopefully the team is as annoyed as the fans are and brings out their beat down sticks today…

  52. Georgie

    June 20, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    Hey Dips, thanks for the job offer, I think we’d make a great team! I’m with Chuck, though, I like Wheels, especially when he sounds like he’s had a few…he loosens up a little.

    I was wondering too if the bullpen issues were possibly because we were Chooch-less. I had a very bad feeling when that happened, he got hit pretty hard with that bat. I’ve read that they don’t think he has a concussion, but I’d like to hear a definitive answer to that.

    Happy Father’s Day to all the dads on here, and…..


  53. The Second John

    June 20, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Lidge has been okay the whole season. He has had a lot of base runners. But for him to be successful, he HAS to have that fastball command down. Also, what are they gonna do about Baez?

  54. The Second John

    June 20, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Also, I like Wheeler too. Dipsy, what would you do about Baez?

  55. Ed R.

    June 20, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    What can they do? A two year contract…they pretty much have to throw Baez out there and let him try and earn his pay check. It will be interesting to see what happens when Happ and Madson come back…who goes? If I had my way it would be Baez and Herndon(nothing against him, but he is average at best). But I seriously doubt Baez is going anywhere.

  56. Bruce

    June 20, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Another vote of confidence for “Wheels”. 🙂

    Compare to Pollyannish McCarthy (does he ever call balls & strikes FULL time?) and babbling Sarge Mathews, Chris Wheeler sounds like a astute analyst that gives the fans a better understanding of game situations.

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  58. Chuck

    June 20, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Chris Wheeler gets a bad rap in this town for that “feud” he had with Harry. Who really knows what went down with that and who really cares.

    Wheels is actually a good analyst. I’m pretty knowledgeable. I watch a lot of baseball and know the game pretty well. But a lot of times I learn stuff when listening to Wheels…stuff that I wouldn’t have thought about. He enhances my viewing of the game.


    Ed R. …..

    Baez is an “ass hat”. hahahahahaha!!!!

    Yeah, what can you do with the guy. I was in defense of the signing….thinking he would be a good addition to the pen. Looks like I was wrong. I cringe every time I see the guy out there. But with a two-year deal you have to ride it out for awhile and hope he can contribute somehow.

  59. Ed R.

    June 20, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Is it wrong that I want someone to drill a comebacker at Baez that essentially takes his pitching arm off? Something that will require Tommy John surgery and thus we don’t ever see him again? Is that wrong? It feels wrong.

  60. Chuck

    June 20, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    No, that’s actually a great solution to the problem. Problem is….we still have to pay his salary.

    Because that’s the issue right now, right? We have the stiff for another year and a half….so we can’t just let him go.

  61. Ed R.

    June 20, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Correct Chuck, we are stuck with him due to his salary, but honestly, I would rather pay him to be hurt than pay him to play. Sad as it is.

  62. Tom

    June 20, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Jeff of Nova is spot on. Charlie is lousy handling the pen. The bigger problem is the bullpen itself. When I saw Mauer in the on deck circle, I knew this could happen. There is no excuse blowing a 9-4 in the ninth. I’ve followed these guys for 40+ years. They are definitely 3rd place material.

  63. The Dipsy

    June 20, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Actually, I do know about Wheels’ feud with Harry. And Richie. And Larry and Gary. I am completely serious. All four. No scandals or anything crazy. Just people who didn’t like each other much for the most part….and a little extra. RE: Baez. I guess you could outright him. Someone has to go when Madson gets back. I guess it’s Herndon or him. Quite honestly, if the Phils need to make a deal at the deadline it might involve Madson I would think.

    The Dipsy

  64. Chuck

    June 20, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Madson and Ibanez to Houston for Oswalt. Not my idea. But I’ve heard it and……hmmmmm…..

    (of course Raul has to waive the NTC)

  65. The Dipsy

    June 20, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Never in a thousand years would Houston do that. Why?

    The Dipsy

  66. SAM

    June 20, 2010 at 9:57 pm


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