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Bats Rattle the Snakes in Phils 9-5 Win

Poor Cole.  He throws gems for three straight outings and leaves with one win.  Tonight, against one of the worst teams in baseball, he’s struggles, yet, was in line for a win. Hamels wouldn’t receive a decision, but some power baseball by the Phillies sent them to a 9-5 win – their 6th straight.

It wouldn’t be a Phillies victory without a daily injury. This time it was Shane Victorino who took himself out of the game with a left oblique strain. He will be re-evaluated tomorrow to find the extent of the damage.

Hamels labored his way through his five innings, throwing 108 pitches. He allowed three earned runs on six hits and four walks. The crispness of his previous three starts was missing, however, Hamels did manage eight strikeouts over 15 outs. Missing was his control, something that has been evident over the past month, just as it was throughout 2008.  Tonight, though, Hamels could not find a groove. Home plate umpire Tim McCleland appeared to have a fairly tight strike zone on the night, which could be the culprit for those four walks Hamels surrendered.

The power bats came out and imparted damage through multiple crooked innings, something that has been absent for the better part of the season.

An RBI single by Ryan Howard tied it at one in the third inning and a few batters later Carlos Ruiz milked a bases-loaded walk to give the Phillies a 2-1 lead. Hamels would relinquish that advantage with single runs in the fourth and fifth frames, one being a monster home run to dead center field by slugger Mark Reynolds.

With Arizona holding a 3-2 fifth inning-lead, the Phils would strike for two in the bottom half thanks to Jayson Werth’s first home run since June 23rd against Cleveland. Quickly, that lead would evaporate as the see-saw affair continued in the sixth with Arizona putting two on the board.  No worries, the offense was on a mission.

The Phillies put up three in the bottom half as Raul Ibanez started off the scoring by singling home Shane Victorino. Howard then deposited one into the seats just beyond the Southwest Airlines sign (Grab your bat, it’s on) giving the Phils a two-run cushion.

For insurance purposes, Cody Ransom went yard in the seventh to give the Phillies a 9-5 lead, which was plenty of support for the back end of the ‘pen.

Howard was the brightest offensive star on this night, raising his average to .302 with his 6th inning bomb off losing pitcher Jordan Norberto. Could this be his most complete year since his MVP season of 2006?  Howard is locked in and his numbers that felt pedestrian at the mid-point now seem rather explosive in this year of the pitcher.

That, and it’s easy to find a groove if your hitting against the Diamondbacks pitching staff.  They have, by far, the worst numbers of any National League team out of the bullpen, and the Phillies exploited that often.

As for the Victorino injury, he said he felt it grab on a diving attempt back to first base in the bottom of the sixth inning. Victorino then felt a pull when he caught a fly ball in the top of the 7th and decided to nip it in the bud.

When asked if he thinks it’s severe enough to require an all-too-familiar DL stint, Victorino said, “no, I hope not. I don’t think it’s that bad, I hope it’s not that bad. But, again, I won’t know until I take the MRI in the morning.”

Could this mean a Domonic Brown sighting in Philadelphia? If Vic needs time to heal, Brown could very well be on his way from Allentown to the pros in no time.  Tomorrow promises to be a very interesting day for Victorino, who was hitting the ball quite well all night, for Brown, who could make a Major League appearance soon, and for this Phillies team, which keeps on winning, even though the injuries continue to pile up. Add that to the nonstop trade rumors surrounding this team and you’ve got yourself one hell of a Wednesday on tap.

NOTES: David Herndon struggled in his one inning of work but was the winning pitcher for the Phillies, his first win as a major leaguer.

-Hamels has posted a 2.16 ERA in July.

-The Phillies have won nine in a row at home, their longest home streak ever at CBP.



  1. jonnyboy

    July 27, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    that’s right Phightin Phils! We’re making up ground quickly and will be in first place within two weeks! Hope Vic is okay, but who knows maybe a few days off will help him clear his mind and find his groove. Playing Werth in center and Francisco in left won’t be terrible. I don’t anticipate seeing Brown unless Flyin’ Hawaiian is placed on the DL

  2. Andrew

    July 27, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Nice to face a bullpen that is one of the worst ever.
    Lets get some runs for Roy tomorrow

  3. bacardipr05

    July 28, 2010 at 12:06 am

    Well this maybe a blessing in disguise…i doubt RAJ will trade Werth if Vict on DL…not so quick with calling up D he will call up Timo Perez…yeah Yeah! im guessing they want to make sure D Brown is mentally and skillfully ready..lot of young players get messed up in the head if they come up and struggle (see Cole of 09)

  4. Andrew

    July 28, 2010 at 12:13 am

    If they DL Shane itll be Brown. Or a trade.
    You bat brown 7th or 8th and there is 0 pressure actually. This is a good time to bring Brown up.

  5. riccaboni

    July 28, 2010 at 12:24 am

    bacardipr05: Cole had been up for almost 3 full seasons, with his fourth being ’09. ’09 as proven many times by the folks at places like Crashburn Alley and, shudder, ESPN Insider, have actually shown that Cole’s peripherals were almost identical in ’08 and ’09. There was nothing about mental struggling or getting a big head with Cole. Absolutely nothing. His peripheral stats improved in some cases and stayed stagnant in others. He was almost the exact same pitcher by every other measure other than ERA and WHIP.

    I’ve heard his higher ERA and WHIP in ’09 blamed on poor conditioning, record high innings pitched, pitching in October/less of a break, but this whole “Cole has a weak mental make up” stuff is just bogus. There’s a reason he won the World Series MVP and has been our solid no. 2 this year.

  6. Andrew

    July 28, 2010 at 12:24 am

    Wow look
    Davey Lopes will work on his SB % for sure.
    He has to be penciled in as a starter next year. So the phils cant keep Raul and Vic and resign Werth anyway.

  7. bacardipr05

    July 28, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Maybe Riccaboni…but when Cole has a bad outing he shows it a lot….I dont see a trade if its just a short stint on DL…I see Timo Perez Whoop Whoop been called up…Gload see more playing time…unless the Phils can scour and pick up some other Journeyman players….

  8. riccaboni

    July 28, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Maybe? He was lights out in the ’08 playoffs, had career high in innings pitched, and had identical peripherals. lol, that’s not a maybe, that’s a fact. Cole has always worn his emotions on his sleeve since he was called up in 2006. Remember, most of the reason he fell as late as he did in the first round of the 2002 draft was because of that reason (/he broke his hand in a bar fight). ’09 was nothing different from Cole Hamels ’08 at all, physically or emotionally. Seriously.

  9. jeremy

    July 28, 2010 at 1:02 am

    If anyone actually thinks the phil’s will resign Werth then said people are high or are just ignorant. The Phillies will not be able to afford werth that’s why it is better to get something for him now rather than nothing when he leaves. This injury better not be bad or it mucks that up. Do you really feel comfortable with Joe Blanton pitching the 3rd game in the playoffs or world series??

  10. NJ

    July 28, 2010 at 1:04 am

    I think its a good time to recognise the Phils have put a serious dent in the Braves lead without making a single acquisition and Raul’s numbers aren’t looking so terrible now…

  11. jeremy

    July 28, 2010 at 1:10 am

    Timo Perez isn’t exactly tearing it up in AA Reading, Mayberry or Brown would get the call. Its a shame that Matt Rizzotti plays 1st base, and further a shame that the phillies have messed up his development and that fans of the orginization don’t even know he is. Best batting Average in the minor leagues. Batting .364 OBP- .443 SLG- .653 with 17 homers, 58 RBI’s (keep in mind these numbers would be much higher but he only came up to AA Reading at the end of May)

  12. Jeff

    July 28, 2010 at 1:19 am

    lee with 13 ks tonight. amazing. trade for oswalt. roy and roy. watch out

  13. Jeremy

    July 28, 2010 at 1:27 am

    @ NJ- Just a “dent” in 5 days we went from 7 back of the braves to 3 1/2, I’d call that a bit more than a dent lol

  14. Chris.I

    July 28, 2010 at 1:41 am

    I think Vic is making this whole ”injury” thing up. Think about it…Trade deadline is 4 days away, and its a way to either #1 Keep Werth here or #2 Bring Brown up to see how he does in the lineup before dumping Werth. What do you guys think? Im sure most of you were probably wondering the same shit, right?

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  16. bacardipr05

    July 28, 2010 at 1:52 am

    The Timo Perez was been sarcastic RAJ seems unwilling to call up D Brown…all though Victorino Injury might force him to…I hope Vict is ok though….Do we really want Blanton pitching the 3rd game in playoffs Not really not unless he starts showing more consistency…Blanton was innings eater type of guy from start…Can the Phillies afford Werth…Yes this depending that he isnt asking for more than 12mil…do they wanna go over budget even if its just for a year No…whatever RAJ does he will take heat for it…i still think they should keep Happ try and trade Blanton at end of season even if we have to eat a lil of his salary…

  17. bacardipr05

    July 28, 2010 at 1:57 am

    PS….Chris the thought briefly cross my mind….maybe saving his own butt more so….lol

  18. TID

    July 28, 2010 at 2:25 am


  19. repeat

    July 28, 2010 at 2:36 am

    was the myers/phillies break-up that bad? i mean this is the guy that makes the most sense here.

  20. Andrew from Waldorf

    July 28, 2010 at 2:42 am

    If Myers was all that then you sign him.
    Not happening. Ill take Happ or Blanton in game 3 of a series over Myers.

  21. jeremy

    July 28, 2010 at 2:53 am

    LV manager Huppert told the press tonight that he believed it would be Mayberry called up if needed, he also didn’t answer on 2 seperate occasions as to whether Brown was ready or not. He also said that all indications he had received was that when Brown would go up it would be for good. Brown left the ballpark quickly and avoided the media.

  22. repeat

    July 28, 2010 at 3:08 am

    not sure what the sarcasm was for. i’m not a gm. if i was then i would go with Myers right now. Happ has thrown what 12inn or whatever all season and blanton is still working on his game. take a look at his stats. he’s crazy but he has heart. The phils front office is chasing its own tail again. They shouldn’t even be in this position to begin with. How good would this rotaion be right now if they had Kept Lee and Myers?? And they could’ve had Myers for cheap too. It would’ve allowed them to tune-up this bull pen. Phils brass look like complete bozos right now.

  23. jt

    July 28, 2010 at 4:07 am

    Lol I came on here to post myers threw a complete game shutout vs. Cubs and everyone is talking about him already…but maybe they’ll just go bring him back because he’s been sharp if things with oswalt don’t work out which appears more and more likely,just bring him back…

  24. jt

    July 28, 2010 at 4:13 am

    If vic’s injury sends him to dl,I think they’ll put francisco out there and call up someone like mayberry to fill his spot on the…I hope vic injury is just minor…

  25. Adrian

    July 28, 2010 at 5:07 am

    It may be the last time we ever see it, but did anyone else feel that long-missed thrill up their spine when Werth jacked that ball into his signature spot, the vines in dead center field?? The thunderous crack of the bat might remind Werth how much he loves that sound, too. It only takes one to get him going.

  26. Brian Sr. of CO

    July 28, 2010 at 5:34 am

    Yes it can get worse than a .250 average. I hope it isnt Ben Fran. Sure he had a homer and a double the other day, but it seems like Ben Fran has once great day followed by several weeks of ZERO production. Damn glad to see Werth AND Ibanez start hitting. They both improved their BA’s by almost 10 points. Werth to .280, Ibanez to .260. The team is finally showing life, and we dont even have a full healthy roster. As for Myers. He COMPLETELY BAD MOUTHED the Phillies organization (and I believe us fans), and hes an ignorrant punk. Wow, he beat the cubs, what an accomplishment. Ok, so the Cubs almost swept the Phillies, but the Phillies can often made bad teams look great…See the Pittsburg Pirates. I hope this current offensive production stays in place. I was more surprised about the extended slump than I am about the Phillies putting up 4-9 runs a game. As for Werth staying a Phillie. I have been saying since the beginning of the season, it is NOT going to happen. There is a reason RAJ said the things he said about “$15 Mill guys”, and not being able to have a roster full of them…Unless you are the Yankees.

    Funny thing about this season. By our standards, the Phillies are having a mediocre season by being in 2nd place, and only 8 games above .500, meanwhile the Mets are 2 games above .500, and in 3rd place, and they are having a GREAT season by their standards. LOL. Hopefully the Cards get their heads out of their butts and whoop up on the Mets for the rest of that series.

  27. Chuck

    July 28, 2010 at 6:16 am

    No. Actually, you want the Cards to LOSE. They are closer to us in the WC race. F the Muts. They’re not gonna be there anyway in the end.

  28. Kate

    July 28, 2010 at 6:16 am

    I’ve never thought the Phils have been having a mediocre season. True, I’ve thought at various points that they’ve been playing mediocre baseball, but there’s a difference between an up and down season and a mediocre season. The D’Backs are having a mediocre season. The Nationals aren’t doing so great. The Phillies are in second place. I don’t know in which universe that’s a mediocre season. My standards aren’t so hypocritically or band-wagonishly high.

    If Victorino is making it up to keep Werth around for the rest of the season, good on him. Werth’s best days are ahead of him and if the Phillies want to make a deep play-off run, we need Werth, Howard, Ibanez, and Victorino, along with Utley, Polanco, and Rollins. We need that core group intact. And maybe the time off will give Victorino some time to reflect on his bad decision-making on the bases lately.

  29. bfo_33

    July 28, 2010 at 6:25 am

    I think the home plate ump had the over last night. The strike zone last night was an embarrasment – not only not calling the corners, but the ball basically had to be right down the middle. Can’t blame Coleforthe start, nice hold by the pen.
    Ryan Howard – MVP 2010. Who has better numbers? Not Pujols. Votto is in the discussion. Nobody out west is carrying their team like the Big Piece.
    I’m pretty sure Vic will hit the DL – obliques have a nasty tendency to get much worse when pulled and not adequately rested (look at Reyes, hasn’t had a good swing since the initial pull).
    Every game, the Polanco signing looks better and better.
    3-1/2 and counting.

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  31. Chuck

    July 28, 2010 at 6:50 am

    The D-backs aren’t having a “mediocre” season…..they are having a sh*tty season.


    It won’t hurt my feelings if Vic sits for awhile. While I recognize that he IS a powerful weapon in the lineup (when he’s on) and in the field….he’s not my favorite Phillie. Time off will do him some good while we see what someone from AAA has to offer.

    And don’t forget about Gload. Get that dude some ABs and playing time and he’s a real threat….I’ve always liked him.

  32. NickFromGermantown

    July 28, 2010 at 7:20 am

    Ben Francisco was a reasonable slightly above average player until his playing time grinder to a halt. It’s a shame really.

  33. NickFromGermantown

    July 28, 2010 at 7:21 am

    By the way, my point of that was to not give up on him.

  34. The Dipsy

    July 28, 2010 at 8:01 am

    If Shane is out, I think a Francisco/Gload platoon in the outfield is completely reasonable and I believe that’s what Charlie will do. And its not a bad platoon at that. Of course that negates the possibility of trading Werth but thats OK. RAJ has had a decision made for him.

    So it looks like Happ + for “the pitcher”.

    Go Phils

    The Dipsy


    July 28, 2010 at 8:15 am

    If you look at the game tread you will see i was killing the ump all night !!!cole should have had 12ks….Anyway if vic goes on dl,and they do not bring up brown it will be a big mistake!this kid as so much talent.He will help this ballclub!!

  36. Brooks

    July 28, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Regarding Myers – he is having his career year. 21 starts, all 21 games he has pitched 6 innings or more, including 13 times where he has gone 7 complete or more. His ERA is 3.10 (including 1.67 for the month of July). He’ on pace to pitch over 240 innings and win 14 or 15 games.

    That does not mean a thing as we found out. Next year could be chock full of injuries, walks, hrs – too sporadic, too much of a head case. Just forget Brett Myers and hope to see him during that 4 game stretch in August when the Stro’s come to town.

    Most important, how will Cholly react to this latest round of injuries?
    Keep Cody at third, let Poly play second – I suppose Wilson has to play SS – I see no other choice but hopefully that wont last too much longer. Who leads off while both Jimmy and Vic are out? Wilson has turned into an out machine, Cody’s pop may be back, so using him in the leadoff position would not make sense. Do you put Gload in RF while Vic is out? Does Ruben let Domonic stop by for a whirl?

    Lots of questions for such a critical time in the season – by the way, I think from the AS break, its all critical.

    Here is my lineup, I would think most of us believe that 3, 4 and 5 need to be left where they are:

    Poly (2b)
    Ruiz (c)
    Ibanez (lf)
    Howard (1b)
    Werth (cf)
    Gload (rf) (or Brown)
    Ruiz (c)
    Ransom (3b)
    Valdez (ss)


  37. George

    July 28, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Victorino faking his injury? That’s about the stupidest thing I’ve ever read on this site.

  38. Brooks

    July 28, 2010 at 8:38 am

    BTW – I would use Ben to replace Gload, Brown or Ibby – but not start him unless Gload fails miserably. Ben’s best performances in Cleveland are substandard for Philly (.260, 15 hrs, 54 rbi).

  39. Brooks

    July 28, 2010 at 8:39 am

    George, I see that and just keep reading – totally foolish talk – agree with you.

  40. Chris.I

    July 28, 2010 at 9:03 am

    I don’t think its foolish at all…It could be a decoy to keep Werth from going to Houston. He could really be hurt, but like I said it could be a possibility

  41. bostonkate

    July 28, 2010 at 9:26 am

    I don’t know why anyone would fake an injury-that’s just stupid. Maybe though Vic will use this time off to clear his head and get it back in the game.

    Mayberry will probably be brought up if shane hits the DL, but god, I hope it’s brown. Just the thought excites me.

  42. Brooks

    July 28, 2010 at 9:26 am

    Hey, there are some people that believe 911 was a conspiracy theory too

  43. sportsphan

    July 28, 2010 at 9:29 am

    I do NOT want Oswalt. What’s the point in forcing or bribing someone to come here when they don’t want to and/or won’t be able to take the fan/media pressure when they get here. Plus, he’s got recurring back problems. And don’t bring Myers back, either. He was poison in the clubhouse last year. I think we can stay as we are. You only really need two good starters once you get to the post-season, and we definitely have that now. Get rid of Werth while we can still get something for him, but I think we need bullpen help more than a starter. And, after last season, why would anyone think about letting Happ get away?

  44. NickFromGermantown

    July 28, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Wow, not only would Victorino fake an injury, but Houston would take on Werth and the half season he owes under his current contract.

    I know it’s 5 o’clock somewhere, but come on…

  45. Chris.I

    July 28, 2010 at 10:02 am

    I like Myers too. If we can’t get Oswalt, my money is on Brett. Atleast we’d have someone who actually ”wants” to be here. But if I have to be honest we NEED Oswalt. This pitching staff would be filthy for the next 2-3 years having Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, Blanton.

    I say Houston bites off Happ & Worley alone

  46. hot dogs

    July 28, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Last summer when the phills really needed bullpen help before his first rehab start in clearwater. Myers decided to go to a bar in Tampa get in a fight showed up the next day with a black eye and said he fell out of his truck. I am glad Philly got rid of him.

  47. The Original Chuck P

    July 28, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Great game… the Big Piece has that saddle on his back and he’s carrying this team to the promised land once again. He doesn’t get enough credit on here… he is the best run producer in baseball and the single biggest reason why we have won three consecutive NLE division titles. His work ethic, his character, his game… some kind of special player.

    If they do call up Brown, he has to play every day… period.

  48. Brooks

    July 28, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Myers was one of my personal heroes during the 08 post season, no doubt. When he was warming up during the NLCS, instead of throwing the ball in the OF prior to the game – starting close and winding up from RF to center, he just kept Chooch in center and went as far to RF as possible and threw the ball over Chooch’s head into the CF stands – he was sooo pumped up but I guess that’s what you have to look at with Myers. He was able to top 97 sometimes even 98 MPH on emotion then again, he could just fall apart like we saw him do.

    Too much baggage with Myers –

  49. The Original Chuck P

    July 28, 2010 at 10:30 am

    I hope they don’t bring Myers back… that guy is a bum.

  50. Geoff

    July 28, 2010 at 10:41 am

    They would not bring Myers back, the guy is a total whackjob. And the idea that Shane is “faking an injury”in cahoots with the team to strategize for the deadline is ridiculous. This is a sport, you should not have or be spending the time to concoct conspiracy theories about Sports. There are more important things giong on then to come up with stuff like that. Come on, guys.

  51. Land Shark

    July 28, 2010 at 10:54 am

    I have connections in the Lehigh organization, and I got a phone call about an hour ago from a friend who said Dominic Brown already got the call and is headed to CBP. Looks like he’s going to be starting RF tonight

  52. Tony

    July 28, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Amaro: Please get Carmona.

    “Phillies scout Jim Fregosi Jr. will be in Cleveland tonight to watch Carmona, 10-7 with a 3.51 ERA this season, pitch against the New York Yankees.

    Before being summoned to Cleveland, Fregosi was in Kansas City on Monday night scouting Royals ace Zack Greinke, who is available but at a very high price tag.

    Carmona, 26, is much more affordable than Oswalt. The Dominican is making $4.9 million this season and will earn $6.1 million in 2011, the final season of a four-year, $15 million deal that includes three club options – $7 million for 2012, $9 million for 2013 and $12 million for 2014.”

  53. Don M

    July 28, 2010 at 11:08 am

    How interested are the Astros in Vance Worley.. if they didn’t even send a scout to see him pitch in AAA last night??

    I don’t think they want Worley, and as I said last week.. up until this year, he’s got pretty crappy numbers, and I dont think he adds much to any trade offer

    If the Astros overplay their hands (Oswalt).. they’ll be stuck with his salary.. The trade return on Starting Pitchers isn’t great anymore, especially when team’s are taking on $12-16+ Million of the guys salary

    Our rotation is better than it was in 2008, so if Houston asks for too much for Oswalt, don’t give in

  54. jeremy

    July 28, 2010 at 11:34 am

    The astros did have a scout a LV last night

  55. Don M

    July 28, 2010 at 11:40 am

    not according to the Inquirer..

  56. Don M

    July 28, 2010 at 11:42 am

    “There was some thought that the Astros were interested in Vance Worley, who made his first start for Lehigh Valley on Tuesday an impressive one, throwing six shutout innings with seven strikeouts and hitting 94 m.p.h. on the radar gun. Houston, however, did not have a scout at the game.”

  57. The Dipsy

    July 28, 2010 at 11:52 am

    What’s the problem with Brett? A “whackjob”? So what? Did he ever not give it his all while wearing a Phils uniform? He hit his wife. He “fell out of a truck” and hurt himself. And he’s a redneck. Alright. Whats that got to do with anything? He’s also having a helluyva year and the Phils fans would welcome him back with open arms. Get real, please.

    The Dipsy

  58. The Original Chuck P

    July 28, 2010 at 11:54 am

    I wouldn’t mind Carmona… groundball pitcher. He’s a nice #3 with a ton of upside and a very good contract. Greinke would be awesome… I’m not sure how we could pull that off without Dom Brown.

  59. Jeremy

    July 28, 2010 at 11:57 am

    I was told there was a Astros scout but his attention was on Mathieson, who obviously didn’t impress with the nice blown save.

  60. The Original Chuck P

    July 28, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Dipsy- chemistry is very important… character matters. There is a reason that they didn’t extend an invitation to rejoin the team; he just doesn’t fit in with what this team is about. These guys are all about business and team results. Brett is all about Brett… and drinking. I don’t think he gave his all… he had a decent tenure here but certainly did not live up to expectations.

  61. Geoff

    July 28, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Carmona would be an outstanding pickup. Forget about The Great Greinke, because if you were their GM if Domonic Brown wasnt the first person in the offer you’d just hang up the phone right then and there.

    Wonder what the price for Carmona would be? I would prefer him over Oswalt unless Wade drops the price of Oswalt, because he really isnt worth much more than what they got for Haren.

    JA Happ, Anthony Gose, Trevor May? Jarrod Cosart maybe….

    Yeah, how can Houston be so focused on Worley if they DID NOT SEND A SCOUT TO SEE HIM, why not just hang onto Worley anyway?

  62. Bruce

    July 28, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Someone here suggests a Gload/Francisco platoon if Victorino goes on the DL. The problem with that is the bench becomes shorthanded and weakened missing a key role player. I think a more likely scenario is for the Phillies to call up John Mayberry Jr from the minors. I think the management wants to forestall Dominic Brown’s debut in the Majors. Especially if Lehigh Valley manager’s opinion that the Phillies don’t “want to start the clock” on Brown is accurate. What does that mean? Are the Phillies concern about the cost of a ML contract with Brown in the long term future?

  63. Geoff

    July 28, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Myers needed a change of scenery, and I would not expect him to leave Houston.

  64. Geoff

    July 28, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    well, seing as I want to trade Werth ASAP…if you can get some good prospects why not?

    I would trade for Tejada to provide cover for the injured infielders. He should cost nothing int he way of prospects…

    Then trade for Carmona if the price for Oswalt is too high. Apparently Ted Lilly has us on his block list, if that’s not true though I wouldnt mind bringing him in.

  65. Geoff

    July 28, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    It is also insane that they have not made room for Brown yet by moving Werth. The top prospect in baseball, anyone who watches LV play can blatantly tell he is ready. Totally nuts.


    July 28, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    With brown-ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY……

  67. Jeremy

    July 28, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    If they platoon Francisco and Gload and just need an off the bench bat, they should bring up 1B Matt Rizzotti from Reading. He is leading all of the minors in BA .364 and his other lines are nuts too. OBP .443, SLG .653, OBP 1.096, 17 HR, 21 doubles, and 58 RBI’s in 239 AB’s. He’s a lefty but check out these splits vs left pitchers he is batting .380, vs Right handed pitchers .360, .364 with WISP 6 of his 17 dingers

  68. Don M

    July 28, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    you DO want to trade Jayson Werth?

    as i said before, trading Werth amounts to giving up on the 2010 season, and that would be a terrible move .. im 99% sure he’s staying put

    They haven’t traded Werth and brough Brown up because they don’t want an entire roster of Left-handed hitters… and while Brown is having success in the minors against Lefty-Pitchers ….. those guys are in the minors for a reason, because they aren’t as good as the LHP in the MAJORS

  69. Tony

    July 28, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Considering what the Angles gave for Haren, Carmona should cost no more than Kendrick, JC Ramirez and Gose.

  70. repeat

    July 28, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    I don’t think Vic is faking his injury. I do agree with Kate when she says that this injury will hopefully allow Shane to get his “mental” game together. He’s all over the place right now. I only bring up Lee/Myers to point out the absolute madness that this front office is putting us through. Trade deadline moves can help boast a team up like it did for us 2009. But for the most part WS winning teams(not pennant or division winners) are constructed during the off-season. The 2008 Phils added Joe Blanton. That’s it. This team needs a starter/s and bp help. It seems impossible fo us to get both in about 3 days. This team should be a lock to win the rather weak NL pennant this season. Instead they’re scrambling like clowns looking for pitching. Pitching they already had on their roster. No one is saying Myers will be Doc II. But even during the off-season I often wondered why this guy was thrown away the day after the season ended when we all knew the rotation needed help. I don’t care about feelings and the other bs. The Phils owe Myers nothing and Brett owes them everything for the second chances he got. But Myers did risk career-ending injury by going back and forth from the pen to the rotation. And Charlie ruined Myers chances at helping the 2009 Phils via the BP by pitching him like 4 days in a row after a dl stint.

  71. The Original Chuck P

    July 28, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Carmona is a nice fit… I wonder what he would cost.

    I can’t stand Ted Lilly…

    I wouldn’t read into Huppert’s comments too much… that is the same guy that called veteran minor leaguers “whores for hire.” I’m sure that the FO is calling him today saying, “What the F were you thinking?” First, if something like that gets into Dom Brown’s head, it could mess with his psyche (get him thinking, “This is BS. I’m good enough and done everything I can. Why should I work any harder if it’s about money and control?”). He’s gotta continue to work hard regardless whether it’s about money or readiness.

  72. Jeremy

    July 28, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    It seems like a lot of Phillies fans, don’t understand that this is a business as much s it is a game, the players understand how this works and I’m sure Brown isn’t offended by them not wanting to start his clock.

    As for Werth, we need a 3rd starter, Blanton or Happ in the playoff starting the 3rd game is just asking for trouble. Besides this fact, the Phillies will not be able to afford Jayson after this season is over, he has stated that he wanted to test Free Agency, why get nothing for him then, when we could get something for him now? Especially when we have a cheaper and just as talented option for RF in Dom Brown waiting in the wings.

  73. Geoff

    July 28, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Play Ben Francisco more and get some kind of infielder with Pop in the bat, who can cover for the injuries of our infield stars – thats my answer to Werth. Farncisco is a good player with enough playing time, and the state prove that.

  74. branderson

    July 28, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Ever since late June I’ve been saying Howard could put up big enough numbers in the second half to get some MVP attention. Leading the NL in RBI and being 3rd in HR with a .300+ average and better than average defense makes Howard look pretty good. (throw in the Phils making the playoffs)
    I don’t want to be the typical Phillies homer but I can’t wait till August and September when Howard seems to be at his best. He can really turn it on and go after that MVP award.
    Anyone beg to differ?

  75. repeat

    July 28, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    agree unfortunately….. but this lineup is lefty loaded. A crusty Raul, an erractic Shane and the Kid??? seems shaky to me.

  76. repeat

    July 28, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    howard is an mvp canidate every season. At 25mill this is what you’re supposed to do. What does make this season special is the fact he’s putting up these numbers despite no help behind him. That hr in the 6th was simply amazin. Ryan controls his own fate. Plate discipline, stand closer to the plate vs lefties(like he is doing now is the minimal) and confidence make #6 pretty much unstoppable.

  77. Jeremy

    July 28, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    I have a really hard time believing that Brown was or is going to be called up for this. I don’t think a couple of weeks of Brown is worth burning a year of service time. They won’t start his clock in a situation like this, and what do you do with Brown once Vic is back? The Phillies have stated when Brown comes up it will be a permanent thing. What would it do to his development to bring up for a couple weeks and then send him down? or does he stay on the bench and not get at bats? That would really help his development (sarcasm)

  78. Geoff

    July 28, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    I do not disagree at all about Howard. If he turns it up liek he usually does late in the season, look out. They will ride that back into the playoffs.

    I disagree that trading Werth is giving up on the season, they have polanco now, Francisco would get more PT, maybe you pickup a RH bat with some pop who is an infielder when the waiver-trade period begins…

  79. Don M

    July 28, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Replacing Jayson Werth -with Ben Francisco or Domonic Brown, for the remainder of the 2010 season is a TERRIBLE IDEA!!!

    Neither of them can carry his jock strap

    I couldn’t care less if Howard wins the MVP, as long as we keep winning games, its just the “team” stuff that matters now

  80. Land Shark

    July 28, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    I think they send a package deal involving Herndon over to Houston along with Happ, cause that dude blows

  81. Geoff

    July 28, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Herndon cannot be traded because of Rule 5, he has to be offered back to the Angels first…

  82. The Second John

    July 28, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    With all the injuries the Phillies have had all year, only a couple has stayed healthy all season. One of them is Ryan Howard. He’s worked really hard to get in shape etc., and although I’m still against the 5 year 125 mil contract, he can easilly prove me wrong

    The Phillies aren’t going to get Scott Downs unless the Blue Jays unless they drastically reduce their price. They asked the Yanks for Joba, and Jesus Montero for Downs.

  83. The Second John

    July 28, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    No way Houston takes guys like Herndon for Oswalt. Here’s a good package to offer Houston:

    Jay Happ
    Brody Colvin
    Harold Garcia


    Lindstrom (if they are looking to trade him)

  84. Jeremy

    July 28, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Why are people in love with Werth, he absolutlley sucks with runners in socring position and that been his story for a while (not just this year), he just hit a HR big whoop he went over a month and something like 110 at bats between HR’s. Brown will be much more consistent and from what I’ve seen (and I’ve seen him in 30 games this year) is much more clutch. He’s also faster and his arm is stronger and more accurate. He would be able to hold Jayson’s jock strap and then some.

    I think the Phillies should get rid of Werth and bring up Brown, but not bring up Brown for just a couple weeks cause of Vic

  85. Phan in the outfield

    July 28, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    @Land Shark: Hm, nice idea. Let Myers beat up on them for a while about how they couldn’t make it on the Phillies or whatever goes through his psychotic head.

    @Don M: I’m with you all the way AND you’re hilarious.

    I read all the posts & took it in the varying ideas. BUT yesterday I listened to an Eskin radio inter w/Werth from Apr (for the 2nd x) to be sure I wasn’t making things up in my head. Some are SO SURE Werth “said” he wants to test FA. When did he say that? Not being contentious, I just never saw him say it or read it legitimately quoted. I’m not sure which “journalist” quoted it but that’s not what I heard Werth say in this interview. Granted it was a radio interview & I didn’t watch the words come out of his mouth but I’m darn certain it was his voice. If he has been legitimately quoted as having said that after the interview I heard, then I can only assume he felt pushed or he was told to say it to see how the FO might respond. Games – “negotiation” stuff, whatever.

    In any case, his perf’s in the past 8 games have gotten progressively better, more confident ea time & THEY’RE WINNING.

    Also I feel the need to cite something b/c ppl are always saying Werth gets injured (no): JRoll fouled the ball off his foot & limped all night, taking last night off. Remember Werth fouled off his own foot TWICE in one wk & never missed a game earlier this season? (he missed 1 game b/c Charlie pulled him in the 7th the night before b/c he had a sore leg muscle). When Shane pulled the oblique last night, Charlie immed put Werth in CF. Considering Werth’s stellar perf last night: (2 wlks, 1 sing, 1 HR, 1 flyout, 2 (?) RBIs) I don’t think trading him should be in the Phillies vocabulary.

    Until this team stops saying it is a “buyer” for pitchers, and any of us know exactly what Werth’s literal asking price is, I don’t think we should go on the theories of sports journalists about what his asking price might be, thereby writing him off when we sincerely need him, his hitting, his right-arm, and his versatility. Not admitting this is not reality folks.

  86. Geoff

    July 28, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Thank you, spot on…Brown does have to come up for good if he comes up – otherwise bring up Mayberry few a few weeks to sit the bench while Gload and Francisco play.

    And Werth is definitely overrated. He is good, but people act like he is some untouchable franchise player, and he really not.

  87. Don M

    July 28, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Jayson Werth is among the best All-Around players in the game today…

    Speed and Power aren’t things you trade away, especially when you’re trying to replace that with a bench player and/or a rookie for a playoff run

    despite his TERRIBLE stretch, which had people calling for his head.. he’s hitting almost .290 … and his power numbers will be there by the end.

    people need to stop deciding a player’s fate based on hot streaks or cold streaks, and look at the big picture.. and the whole thing shows you that it’s not easy to replace the season-long production that Werth gives you

    He serves as the only legit protection to Ryan Howard, and if we trade him … that would tell the league that we’re bailing out on the 2010 season

    He’ll stay put, or I’ll refrain from Phillies Nation for the rest of the 2010 season.

  88. The Dipsy

    July 28, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Thoughts –

    Original Chuck – The Phillies won a WS title with Brett Myers in the starting rotation. IMO, he was not offered a contract because the Phillies did not want to offer him dog shit money after paying him well. Chemistry is about performance,

    RE: Ryan Howard. I believe that he is the MVP right now, incredibly. He is having a real good year but the league is absent of any other real stand out players. He is going to lead the league in HR’s and RBI’s and possibly hit over .300. He is also leading in total bases as well as carrying this team back into contention.

    Geoff – Werth would have been gone yesterday if Brown was a righty.

    The Dipsy

  89. The Dipsy

    July 28, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Don M – Are you saying that if JWerth gets traded that you will boycott The Nation? Cmon pal, relax.

    The Dipsy

  90. Geoff

    July 28, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Well if they hang onto him, if I were Domonic Brown I would be personally insulted and effronted by that, and would demand to be traded when he is clearly better than that – to be blocked and ignored all season when he is clearly ready and of age.

    Also, is Jayson Werth really that good? Would he be that good if he was not hitting behind Ryan Howard? I seriously, seriously doubt it. You could put any patient right handed power hitter behind Ryan Howard – of any of the more notable ones in MLB – and he would put up similar numbers. And I am not kidding, ANY. Its not just because of Werth slumping, you have to make a decision to take care of the future of this club.

    Werth is not the keystone, an important piece, but without him this team will still make the playoffs and still would be able to make a good go at getting back to the World Series – and thats 100% guaranteed. Its still all about Ryan Howard being the man, and the others playing their roles on offense and everyone doing their part with what they are each best at.

  91. Don M

    July 28, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    People want to knock Werth because he only has 14 HRs …. but he already has more doubles than last year

    and he currently has a higher SLG%, OBP% and batting average than last year. .

    If he goes on the Hot Streak we all expect soon … his current projections of
    23 HR, 90 RBI, 95 Runs, 162 Hits will all seem low

    He’s well above average in the field, and like Howard, he’s raised his average, and is projected for more HITS .. less HRs, but putting the ball in play is what we all wanted from Howard and Werth … (now that they do it, people complain they don’t hit it over the wall enough)

  92. Don M

    July 28, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    A personal boycott …. not a “p!ssed off boycott” ..

    I feel that strongly that he’s not getting traded.. its like when people talked about trading Ryan Howard two years ago .. there’s just no chance right now, because it would KILL the lineup

    Good to see that the old Geoff is back, and back to his crazy talking ways..

    Werth does benefit from batting behind Howard.. but then Pat Burrell should’ve been the greatest player of all time, right?

    Domonic Brown will be up next year.. he can demand a trade, and they can laugh at him, and tell him to go take the field .. he’s a 21 year old kid with a good head on his shoulders.. …. everyone except YOU knows that he’s not ready to carry the team, batting 5th and playing RF in a playoff race

  93. Jeremy

    July 28, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Someone please show me where I’m wrong when I say that Werth sucks with runners in scoring position, they guy is just not good in this department, he is not clutch. This is an important part of the game.

    By the way here are

    Brown’s stats for the year:
    BA- .327
    20 HR
    22 doubles
    4 triples
    68 RBI’s
    .391 OBP
    .589 SLG
    .980 OPS
    17 steals

    Pretty sure he can hold a jock strap that belongs to Jayson

  94. Pink

    July 28, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Salisbury just tweeted, “I am hearing that the Phillies with place Shane Victorino on the DL and bring up top prospect Domonic Brown”.

  95. The Second John

    July 28, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    I’m for trading Werth, only if we get a lot in return. If they don’t then don’t trade him. However, saying that Dom Brown can’t hold a jock strap to Jayson Werth is insane. If (arguably) the #1 prospect in the minors can’t hit .289 with 14 homers, then I don’t know who can.

  96. Terri

    July 28, 2010 at 1:38 pm


    I am hearing that the Phillies will place Shane Victorino on the DL and bring up top prospect Domonic Brown.

  97. Geoff

    July 28, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Dude, if they wanted, they could have started Ben Francisco 5th from the start of the season, and he would have good numbers

  98. Dominic Brown

    July 28, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    I’m ready! Bring me up!

  99. Don M

    July 28, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Which MLB pitchers was Brown hitting around the yard so far this year??

  100. Geoff

    July 28, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    The fact that they are bringing up Brown and not Mayberry clearly allows us to make the assumption that Werth is on the move soon.

  101. The Second John

    July 28, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Wow. Dom Brown coming up to MLB. WOW!

  102. Don M

    July 28, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Last year, with Runners is Scoring Postion … Werth hit .279 , and for his career with RISP he hits .263

    so lets all understand that so far this year has been the exception, not the rule

    I can’t believe that actual, knowledgeable Baseball/Phillies fans, are really here trying to make themselves, and the rest of us believe that Jayson Werth and Ben Francisco would have the same numbers, and that the Phillies would be anywhere near as good with Francisco playing RF and batting 5th

    PLEASE.. this is getting ridiculous now, we all know you don’t actually believe what you’re typing

  103. Terri

    July 28, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    we don’t know how bad vic injury is. it could be longer than 15 days

  104. Jeremy

    July 28, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    lets see Brown has faced Strasburg twice this year, he homerd off of Verlander, don’t give me this crap either AA has all the top pitching prospects and Brown dominated in AA, and he’s continued to in AAA where he’s gotten more finese pitchers, he will be fine.

    If Brown is really coming up that means Werth is gone very soon, it would have been Mayberry otherwise

  105. The Second John

    July 28, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Is anyone else excited about Dom Brown coming up, or is it just me?

  106. Geoff

    July 28, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Oh yeah! We are going to tear it up now. Forget Werth, Brown can play Center and Right at the same time, and hit behind himself in the batting order!

  107. TT

    July 28, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Dom Brown – ahh snap! Any good Phillies bars in DC?

  108. Geoff

    July 28, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Definitely excited, cannot wait to see this guys tear up the majors.

  109. The Second John

    July 28, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    That’s the spirit Geoff.

  110. ActuallyChilled

    July 28, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Little Brown! Great day for Phillies fans.

  111. shag beta sigma delta

    July 28, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    I heard they offered Wreth a contract, and he has not decided yet to take it, maybe that is why he is hitting again, anyone else here that. I think you can sign him if he would take 4 years with team opt for a fifth total value around 68-70 million with 15-16 million in fourth and fifth year. By then a lot of money would be off the books, I think he should take an average of 12-13 million a year.

  112. Brian Sr. of CO

    July 29, 2010 at 12:35 am

    Don M, keep in mind, Geoff was calling for Utley and Howard to be benched or traded last season in the SECOND WEEK of the season. He threw in the towel saying “this team sucks” in only the 2nd week, so honestly, why would anyone be surprised about him throwing in the towel now?

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