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Howard's six RBIs lead Phillies over Fish 10-6

The Phillies, nay, the first place Phillies scored early and often on the Florida Marlins’ team tonight. The Phils scored in six of the eight innings they brought hitters to the plate. They were led by Ryan Howard and his six RBIs. It was Howard’s third career six RBI game and second this season. Howard also belted his 28th home run of the season and 250th for his career. He is now only one homer shy of tying Pat Burrell for third on the Phillies’ all time home run list. The Phillies as a team pounded out 17 hits, tying their season high.

The final score to tonight’s affair was 10-6. That’s what the box score will say. Just don’t go thinking Cole Hamels (10-10, 3.06) had anything to do with those Marlins’ runs. Hamels pitched a great game going seven innings and not allowing a run. He lowered his ERA to 3.06 and extended his scoreless streak to 25 innings. That is the most by any Phillies pitcher since Randy Wolf threw 27 in 2002.

Hamels came into the game without picking up a win against the Marlins in his last 10 starts. He had been 0-6 with a 4.62 ERA dating back to September 22nd of 2006.

Playing in first place for the first time since May 30th, the Phillies are looking to have another hot September leading into the playoffs. Every starter, including Hamels, had a hit for the Fightins. Five of those hitters had more than one hit. Even Ross Gload and Wilson Valdez had a hit tonight filling in.

Valdez came into the game in the fourth inning replacing Jimmy Rollins. After doubling and scoring on a Carlos Ruiz single Rollins slowly walked back to the dugout. After talking with Charlie Manuel he didn’t take the field for the top of the next inning.

Phillies Nation’s own Pat Gallen, who was at Citizens Bank tonight, says it is only a tight hamstring and is listed as day to day. Gallen also said Rollins was not feeling well before the game and didn’t take part in batting practice. He went on to say this was caused by dehydration, something that others on the team have been dealing with as well.

Rollins has already spent time on the DL twice this season.



  1. NickFromGermantown

    September 8, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    What an easy game to watch. Hamels and the offense were a treat. I’m glad that Rollins’ issue doesn’t look so bad. Robertson’s excuse for mop up was rather awful, especially given that most of us just wanted to sign High Hopes and be on our way. Regardless, good game. After this much needed day off, let’s keep ’em coming!

  2. Andrew from waldorf

    September 8, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    The best record in the national league.
    Thats what its about.

  3. biz

    September 8, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Howards 5 off the RBI lead after missing almost 20 games and then losing his swing for another week. Basically, he missed all of August. Simply amazing. Howard’s detractors are clueless. The man is the biggest producer in baseball.

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  5. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 12:45 am

    The guy with 100 RBI has played 1 more game and is hitting .340.
    Some of the Howard bashers go way over board. But some of the backers also go to far. Batting 4th for the phillies gives you some built in numbers just by walking to the plate. Whats shocking is he only has 40 walks this year. But that probably says alot about Werth.
    This year in the national league he is in the group right behind votto Pujos and Gonzalez. Thats where he is supposed to be though. Or in the top group.

    As for the haters. You cant hate a guy who produces down the stretch for a team in the pennant race. This is when it counts and hes stepping up. Alberts team is faltering so is vottos. Its about winning and about winning in Sept. If howard continues going as he has been in Sept he is probably underpaid because he is going to carry a team into the playoffs. Lets see where the team and howard are at the end of the season. Thus far I give him a B for 2010. Final grade could be higher or lower.

  6. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Howard shouldnt have an OPS .036 lower than werths and the same as Dan Ugglas. If he would not swing at the pitch in the dirt. I think youd have the best hitter in baeball.

  7. biz

    September 9, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Andrew, His OPS will be higher than Werth’s when the season is over.

  8. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 1:24 am

    See the thing is while he is like the 7th best hitter in the NL so far.
    Come friday I want him in the lineup over Pujos,votto, Gonzalez SD or Gonzalez colorado. I consider all 4 of them better hitters than howard.
    But Ill take Howard the rest of the way. I think that matters more than being MVP. Its an intersting dichotomy for me. I think my point is that Howard is the perfect player for this team as long as they are perenial contenders.

  9. Bart Shart

    September 9, 2010 at 1:58 am

    I predict that Howard will hit near 40 bombs and drive in close to 115. Perhaps I am too optimistic but what the hell.

  10. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 2:22 am

    12 homers in 21 games?

    that would be historic

  11. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 5:01 am

    I’m not sure what to think about dehydration? Really?

    Well deserved day off, everyone rest, take it easy. Drink plenty of fluids!

    Big stretch coming up, if the Phils can come up with a decent road trip – taking 4 of 6, I would hope that they would retain first place and the best record. The Braves have 7 games left to complete 20 in row. These are home games but we all know they play St. Louis for 4 which could be devastating for both clubs. If the Cards even lose 2 and Cincy regains their legs just a little, that division is pretty well sealed. As a matter of fact, the Cards stand little or no chance at all. They play everyday for the remainder of the regular season. After the 4 games with the Braves, they still have huge (home) series vs the Padres and finish the regular season with a (home) 4 games series vs the Rockies. I’m thinking the Reds have that division for sure.

    Even if the Reds are swept in this 4 game series by the Rockies tonight, they then play Pittsburgh, Arizona, Houston and Milwaukee in 19 out of their last 22 games. Wow, you talk about setting the table! The Reds are an amazing 25-7 vs those teams. The Reds bellied up to the Cards going 6-12 vs them but, winning the games vs the slugs of their division has put them in the spot where they need to be. Really, to cap it off, the Reds were 12-4 this year vs the Cubs. Except for the Cards, they dominated the Central division and are honestly in coast mode with a 6 game lead and 23 left to play. If anyone ever needed proof that flattening the slugs when you play them will help you in the long run, here you are.

    If the Braves lose 2, they would probably have to sweep the next series with the Nats to have a respectable 5-2 homestand to keep pace with the Phils. The Braves are 6-6 vs the Natsies. Although we cannot expect much, at least the Nats should take 1 of those games.

    So, perhaps we should revisit the respect that the Reds are getting on this site. How exactly did they fare vs teams that are in playoff contention this year?

  12. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 5:16 am

    I will answer my own question.

    The Reds were 21-33 vs teams that are either in a pennant race or on the cusp. In other words, teams with winning records. The Phils on the other hand are 32-21 vs teams with winning records.

    The kicker: the Phils are 12-13 vs the Cubs, Houston the Brewers and Pittsburgh with their only winning record vs the Brewers (5-1). You take out the games vs Brew crew and we are a pathetic 7-12 vs the teams that the Reds feasted on this year.

    WTF does that mean???

  13. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 7:05 am

    What are you not sure about with dehydration? It’s a very real thing and can come on without even really realizing it. Muscle-tightening is a classic symptom.


    Yeah, I was at the game too and that 8th inning was a joke. This guy Robertson had NOTHING, ZERO. I’ve never heard so many cheers for a manager who comes out to remove a pitcher as I did for Charlie when he took out Robertson. Herndon did a nice job and fortunately Madson didn’t throw that many pitches.

    Thank the good Lord for this off day though. The Phils need it badly. Time to catch their breath and then focus on the Mutts.

  14. bfo_33

    September 9, 2010 at 7:14 am

    I know they are saying Rollins has a tender hamstring, but that looked like a calf strain to me. Hope I’m wrong, love Rolllins in the 5 or 6 hole.

    I’m not a Vic fan, but he has done an excellent job in lead-off over the past 3 days. It looks like he has changed his approach to hitting, when a mistake pitch comes, he’ll try to go yard, otherwise taking what he is given, just trying to get on base. If he can keep that mentality (and not try to be Ryan Howard), we’ll be in great shape.

    A very nice catch by Werth early in the game (don’t remember if it was the first or 2nd inning). Made up for a mostly bad day at the plate.

    Phils don’t play well at Citi-Field – hope to go 2-1 there. Facing a rookie Fri – for some reason, these guys always give the Phils a hard time. At least he’s mostly a fastball pitcher, rh, and only throws in the low 90s. Halladay going against him, should take that game. KK agaisnt Pelfry looks bad on paper, then Oswalt/Neise.

    The next Marlins series is going to be interesting. Last night was one of the few times I’ve seen Utley react to getting hit – he looked pissed. While they won’t risk the outcome of a game, wouldn’t be surprised if Ramirez or Morrison get thrown at.

    Ryan Howard had 8 hr in Sept 09, 11 in 08, and 11 in 07. Unlikey to get 12 more hr, but another 6-10 is well within reason. He’ll probably finish at 36/110, a very nice year considering he missed a month.

  15. The Dipsy

    September 9, 2010 at 7:45 am

    Utley totally looked pissed. Real pissed. Playing in Citi will be good for the Phils. They can practice taking pitches and working walks and Raul…my lord..the way he has been gapping the ball he can run forever (for him) at Citi. I am a believer that large ball parks help the team with the better pitcher. So that would be us. Go Phils.

    The Dipsy

  16. Phillistein

    September 9, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Man – we are one banged up team. See Howard get thrown out last night? He’s still gimpy. Lidge elbow; Polanco elbow, Jimmy (can’t believe I’m pulling for a hammy here instead of a calf injury).

    Werth has been an iron man this year. It would be great if we could put some distance between us and the Braves and in the WC. However, don’t see that happening. Still alot of baseball; this time next month it will be series time!!!

    Keep the spit, glue and scotch tape handy – they’re going to need it!

  17. Phillistein

    September 9, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Phila are going to miss Dickey at Citi. Good!!!

    He pitched last night.

  18. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Thank goodness we have Wilson Valdez right now.

  19. Kate

    September 9, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Maybe Mike Sweeney plays first base tomorrow night and Howard’s available to come in the game or pinch hit if needed?

    I know it’s not likely, but I’d like to see Howard take a seat for his ankle’s sake. Sweeney or Gload, whatever, but I just like to see the camera on Mike Sweeney, see what he

    As for Rollins, he’s valuable in that five- or six-spot, but of all the replacements this year, Valdez has had the most experience and he’s proven his worth filling in for Rollins already. Give that hamstring a rest and give Valdez some playing time.

  20. Manny

    September 9, 2010 at 9:40 am

    So glad today is an off-day! Howard should be careful with that ankle and Jimmy with his legs… and Lidge and Polanco with their elbows. If we want to make it to the postseason and go deep once again, we’re gonna need them all in top form and healthy. If we gotta give Gload or Valdez –even Dobbs– a start this weekend, so be it.

    And how about Cole Hamels… after his previous start he had a 3.18 ERA and I asked you guys if you think that he’ll finish the season over/under 3.05? One start later he’s at 3.06! Of course we can’t expect him to continue throwing shutouts every single time, but DAMN.. there’s a decent chance that he could finish his season with an ERA below 3.00! I predicted 2.99 before the season started… Just to think that CC Sabathia is the favorite to win the AL Cy Young when his numbers are notably inferior to Cole’s

    CC 3.14 ERA
    Cole 3.06 ERA

    CC 1.21 WHIP
    Cole 1.16 WHIP

    CC 170 Ks
    Cole 188 Ks

    CC .241 BAA
    Cole .234 BAA

    CC 66 BBs
    Cole 54 BBs

    Obviously, I’m rooting for Felix Hernandez in the AL but CC will probably have 20 or more wins and take home the prize… which is $tupid.

  21. The Dipsy

    September 9, 2010 at 10:37 am

    CC has a designated hitter to deal with.

    The Dipsy

  22. bfo_33

    September 9, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Including that in, CC and Hamels are basically the same. Both fine pitchers, but neither are the best in their leagues (Should be King Felix and Roy Halladay for Cy Youngs). It’ll be interesting to see if the voters let win totals cloud their judgement.

  23. The Original Chuck P

    September 9, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Nice comparison, Manny.

    I’m going to echo a lot of things that have already been said… looked like a calf but I also felt like it might not have been a pull or a strain because at one point it looked like he got a little more giddy up (maybe it was just a cramp that he was able to run through). Sometimes, you’re able to pull/run through those cramps and it’s actually better.

    Howard is the best run producer in baseball… the guys on MLB Network said it best, “It seems like every HR he hits is a 3 run HR.” That’s what he does… he drives in runs. The guy is a career .315/.424/691 in September/October… there is no one better when it matters and that’s the guy I want. I don’t understand how anyone can bash the man… all he does is work to get better. He’s hitting .281 and that would be higher if not for a terrible slump coming off the DL (have to expect that, somewhat, right? He is human…). In fact, if he’s hitting .281 right now, chances are he’ll be hitting .300+ by the time the season is over with 35 HR and 120 RBI. Fastest EVER to 250 HR… I’m sorry, Votto is a nice player but until he has a few years of 100+ RBI under his belt, there is nobody else I would want playing first base… besides Pujols.

  24. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 11:18 am

    I’ll take Ryan Howard….and all his so-call “flaws”….every day of the week.

    I said earlier in the season when Howard was struggling with the power but hitting for average….and everyone on here was bashing him…that ….BARRING AN INJURY…..he would end up with a .285-.295 avg, 40+ HR and 130-140 RBI.

    There were some that poo-pooed that prediction and laughed at me..but the numbers don’t lie. Without that injury (basically missing all of August if you count the DL time and the time to find his stroke again) he would be right there.

  25. biz

    September 9, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Despite missing almost a month, Howard is 5 back from the RBI lead. I predict he finishes with the lead once again. The 4th time in 5 years.

  26. The Original Chuck P

    September 9, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Power numbers are down across major league baseball (with the exception of one guy… Jose Bautista)… he’s still driving in runs and that’s what really matters, isn’t is?

    This is what drives me nuts… we kill everyone. Think about it… I can list 9 guys that have been an absolutely integral part of this historic team that would have every reason to feel wronged by our fan base; Howard, Rollins, Werth, Raul, Vic, Madson, Lidge, Manuel and Hamels. And the sad part is that there are probably a dozen guys whose fingers are cramping just reading this who can’t wait to craft a reply. Wake up… this is the best era in Phillies history. Every one of these guys deserves to be enshrined and for some reason we won’t give them any credit until they’re long gone.

    But I digress… I’m having a discussion with a couple of friends about that Hamels/CC comparison who are “poo-pooing” me about that comparison (I got a 3 word reply, “What about wins?”). These are the same guys that said Jamie Moyer was a bum in 2008 in the midst of a 16 win season…

  27. Manny

    September 9, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Original: those aren’t your friends!!!!!

    And don’t forget to add Chooch to that list.. not too long ago he would be boo’d constantly…

  28. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 11:43 am

    And you left out Utley…Mr. Untouchable by our fanbase. Yet he’s had his struggles as much if not more than some of the guys you listed.

    Makes me crazy!!

    As far as the “wins” argument for pitchers….I guess a guy has to have a certain number AT LEAST….15,18 maybe?….in order to even be considered for a Cy Young. Wins are truly overrated and ERA and WHIP are truly underrated.

  29. Phillistein

    September 9, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Yo Original Chuck P

    It is unfortunate the willingness of some (many) of our phans to turn on the players after a bad week, month or even season. regardless of what they’ve done in the past.

  30. The Original Chuck P

    September 9, 2010 at 11:57 am

    I mean, it’s ok to get on guys when they’re not getting it done (Howard needs to do this… Rollins should try to be a little more patient…) but that’s not what happens. It’s always a vicious attack that ends up with someone suggesting that we replace or look for an alternative. No one is exempt from criticism but give these guys the credit and trust that they’ve earned…

  31. bfo_33

    September 9, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    There is occasional venting on a blog (which for some of us who no longer live in Philly may be the only outlet), then there is booing at the ballpark. I doubt Howard, Utley, Raul,… read this, but they hear the boos.

    I’ve been a Phils fan since the mid 70s, and through that entire time, there is only one guy on the Phils who deserved the boos he got – Adam Eaton. Schmidt had his terrible slumps, Von Hayes was never the player we thought he’d be (nor was Lance Parrish, Juan Samuel, Greg Jeffries, Travis Lee,….), Charlie Hayes wasn’t Mike Schmidt, wild thing lost it in the playoffs, Burrell barely cleared the Mendoza line,….., but the effort was always there. Eaton was the only guy who “seemed” completely indifferent to his performance or the outcome of the game. He deserved every boo he got, and a few more. Other than that, I don’t understand booing your own players when they are playing hard.

    I agree completely that this is by far the golden era of the Phils, have another year or 2 before the line-up starts to significantly turn over. While there are guys that can be frustrating, don’t seem to maximize their skills at times, to a man, this team plays hard every night, and I’ll be telling my grandchildren about the current team.

  32. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    J.D. Drew deserved it.


  33. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Of course, he got it more AFTER he left.

  34. bfo_33

    September 9, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Stephen also deserves it for being his brother – but JD never signed so I didn’t count him.

  35. The Original Chuck P

    September 9, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Mike Schmidt… greatest third baseman of all time… wasn’t appreciated until after he was gone. It’s like we can’t see the big picture… we’re watching history every night. These guys… this team… is special. They all have their flaws but they pick each other up and never lay down and we should get that more than any other city. The faithful fans that had to endure the Phold (1964 collapse) and the darker times get somewhat of a free pass but even they should be able to see the big picture… we have a real shot at being the first NL team since 1942-44 to make it to the WS 3 consecutive years. Are you kidding me?

  36. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Mike Schmidt never really endeared himself to the fans the way most of these present Phillies do. Schmitty still to this day can come off as surly and unfriendly.

  37. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Freddy Garcia deserved it.

  38. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Our often citicized first baseman, does a lot of things wrong. He strikes out alot, he should walk more, he should try to take balls the opposite way against the shift, he shouldn’t swing at balls in the dirt, he should do this and he should do that———

    But when speaking in terms of THE greatest power hitters in the history of baseball, Ryan Howard is number one, in one category.
    We are watching history, and I am thankful for it.

  39. The Dipsy

    September 9, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    People didn’t like Schmitty that much because he had the bad habit of making the hardest things look easy and effortless, like he wasn’t even trying. Hitting a homer was so easy that when he struck out it must have been due to lack of effort. And he just didn’t have a Philly personality. He wasn’t blue collar and he wasn’t a grinder. Unlike Bowa, Dykstra, Utley, Iverson, BDawk, etc. whom the fans really took to because of their approach and demeanor, Schmidt will always reside with McNabb, Richie Allen, and Werth, because of their perceived aloofness and their detached personalities.

    In Philly, when the former group used to fail at least they gave it the old college try. When the latter group failed it was because they just didn’t give enough of a shit or something.

    But that’s Philly.

    The Dipsy

  40. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    I was at the Vet many times when Schmidt was booed. I never truly understood it.

    But I could rationalize it. The man was so great that he made everything look easy. He never looked like he was hustling, he was gifted and didn’t have to. The great diving stops you’ve seen other third basemen make, he didn’t have to. He got to them with his incredible athleticism and quickness on his feet. He used his head where others needed to use their body. He was- quite simply- amazing.

  41. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Dipsy, I didn’t see your post while posting mine, but I think we sort of said the same thing!

  42. The Dipsy

    September 9, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Yuppers. Great minds think alike I always say.

    The Dipsy

  43. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    I would definitely say this current run, since 07 is what will be deemed the “Golden Age” of the Philadelphia Phillies.

    On the other hand, it’s actually a little difficult for me now to consider this as one of the best teams I’ve seen play. Especially since we all had been smack in the middle of one of the most baffling offensive droughts I could never have imagined (I’m sure some of you recall my excessive whining). Prior to mid-May and most importantly from late- August until hopefully the end of the year, this team has once again shown the baseball world who needs to be reconned with.

  44. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Philly is unique with this sort of thing….and I love it. It’s what makes our great city what it is.

  45. Phillistein

    September 9, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Well Chuck – guess you and I have to agree to disagree. I don’t love it – I think it makes us look ridiculous. What I really disagree with is the feeling around the country that this trait is unique to Philly. I was born and raised in NYC. I’m old enough to have seen Mantle towards the end of his career – and they BOOED him!!!

    I guess it goes hand in hand with passion. The more passionate the fan base the more likely it is that they’ll boo.

    I will NEVER understand booing Schmidt; one of the best 3rd sackers in the history of the game. (I lived in NYC when he played)

  46. Phillistein

    September 9, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Oops – forgot!

    I too agree with this might be the golden age of Phillies baseball. I realize that those late 70’s and early 80’s teams had a great run. But there is something about THIS team. Maybe it’s because the core came up Phillies. Maybe it’s the way they play; how they pull for one another.

    The 93 team was fun, but shorter lived and certainly less successful. That group was totally whacked!!! (remember, they were in 1st when the strike hit in 93 – and then – that was that!)

  47. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    When Thome was here and hurt, I couldn’t believe he was booed. Judging by the look on his face, he couldn’t either.

    I grew up in Baltimore when it was pretty cheap to go and lived pretty much in the lf bleachers at 33rd and Md. Honestly, I don’t remember fans booing our own.

  48. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    It’s not just the booing. It’s the WAY it’s done that gives Philly its own unique style.

    I don’t boo when I go to games. I really try to cut these players some slack and support them. But I appreciate the passion.

    I’ll tell you this, too. I’d rather have passionate loud fans booing in Philly than those way-to-polite, sit-on-your-behind-and-clap fans in St Louis. Games there remind me of Bingo night at the local fire hall.

  49. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    94 was the strike year Philistein

  50. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Jim Thome should NEVER have been booed.

    But then neither should the Pope or Santa Claus.

    Was Mother Theresa booed here once??

  51. The Dipsy

    September 9, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    I boo because I love.

    The Dipsy

  52. Phillistein

    September 9, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    It is my understanding that Santa was booed because he showed up late, was dirty, unshaven and was drunk.

  53. Phillistein

    September 9, 2010 at 2:29 pm


    94 is right – slipped.

    They were in first when the strike began……….in 94

  54. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    “I boo because I love.”

    THAT”S my point!!!!

    Dipsy just nailed in 5 words what I was trying to say about booing being unique to Philly…and almost part of the charm in a twisted sort of way.

  55. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    I think you’re allowed to boo when if you support your team and SHOW UP to do it. If we fill CBP to capacity every night I think it gives us certain rights other cities don’t have.

    Braves fans, Mets fans- they don’t get to boo their teams. Their teams should boo them for lack of support.

    If you show your support with your hard earned $ every single game, you have the right.

  56. Phillistein

    September 9, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Lefty – Hey, it’s America. And your hard earned dollar. And, since it’s America – I disagree. I coached baseball for years. Of course I didn’t coach miilionaires but – human beings are human beings – regardless of your income.

    What is the point of booing someone who tries hard, and just makes a mistake…or comes up a little short?

    To make YOU feel better?

    Guess what – it ain’t about you.

    Standard rule on my teams – someone makes a mistake, a teammate hits him on his ass and says we’ll get him next time – we got your back.
    If someone isn’t trying – another story.

  57. Phillistein

    September 9, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    …………and speaking of is he trying, or not trying. This from the ESPN scouting report. I know, I know……….remember the source…….but……….

    On Jimmy Rollins: “He just looks like he’s throwing at-bats away. Even when he gets into good hitting counts, there are times he’ll just put a weak little swing on the ball. I’m seeing a lot of swings where he’s working under the ball, and his head is coming off too soon. I’m not sure what’s going on. His approach seems to come and go from at-bat to at-bat. You’ll see a couple of at-bats where he looks like he used to look, but all the at-bats around that are bad.”

  58. Kate

    September 9, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    That ESPN scouting report is about three days behind the times.

    About the booing, I’m not fond of it and I think less of fans who do it. But they have the right to rationalize it any way they want to and it’s not like I can stop them.

    I’m less hard on the fans who boo the opposing team, but there is a line that shouldn’t be crossed even there.

  59. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Phillistein, I’m not sure what your point is. I think all the guys in the dugout have each other’s backs….and I think the guys have our backs as well.

    Just because we as a fanbase might boo doesn’t mean we don’t care, or support or love our guys.

    We get frustrated and vent.

    And Lefty IS right….We fill up this park EVERY single night. That in itself does give us the right to boo if we want to.

  60. Bob

    September 9, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    “We wouldn’t boo if we did not care”

    We don’t like hotdogs, we don’t like bonehead plays.

    But as quickly as we are to boo, we are even quicker to roar our approval for that diving stop or getting that clutch sac bunt down.

    These fans know the game and understand the role they play at the stadium.

  61. The Dipsy

    September 9, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Well, are fans that pay their money aloud to be dissatisfied with an effort? And if they are, should they have an outlet or form of expression? I don’t see an excessive amount of booing by Philly fans when a visibly strong effort fails. Jayson Werth getting picked off at second deserves a raucous boo, no? As for “booing” and how it affects the player (@Phillistein)…I don’t give a shit. I would never boo a little league kid or an American Legion player. But when you play for pay, its a different story. Ostensibly, when you get right down to it, the fans pay the players’ salaries and if I don’t like what I’m seeing, I will boo. It’s my right and my obligation for when I attend a game, I am also booing for the guy at home who couldn’t afford to be there to boo himself. I boo our players, their players, the umps, other fans, and I have booed the Fanatic. Freedom of speech and the target is a millionaire.

    The Dispy

  62. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    And again, I’m not a big booer. I have done it occasionally, but generally I don’t. But I don’t get offended when others do. In fact, I find it kind of entertaining. It’s part of the atmosphere. I know that may sound weird to some of you.

  63. Manny

    September 9, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    I’m the same way, Chuck.

  64. Bob

    September 9, 2010 at 3:23 pm


    Why? Because I can

  65. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    You’ve booed the Phanatic??


    I’ve booed the umps (Scott Barry and his crew of losers comes to mind) and I will boo some stiff who comes into a game with a 10 run lead and gives up 6 (can anybody name the player??).

    I’ll boo the opposing manager if he’s a d*ck (Jim Tracy) and I’ll boo guys like Nyjer Morgan if he deliberately hurls a baseball into the crowd and injures someone.

    I generally won’t boo our “core” players if they’re struggling….because….I just don’t. They give me so much most of the time that I just can’t bring myself to do it.

    I will boo Greg Dobbs though.

  66. The Dipsy

    September 9, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Nah, I don’t do the core players either. And when I boo the Phanatic, I kinda do it with a smile, like if he falls off his bike or something. As young adult, I booed and heckled mercilessly and got many reactions from MLB and NBA players. Not bragging here, just providing a little info about what the Dipsy is all about. Heckling players about problems in their personal lives is the best, drug habits in particular. @Bob – Just want you to know that I acknowledge your right to boo this convo and that I will try harder to make this topic a bit more entertaining. Thank you for your input.

    The Dipsy

  67. biz

    September 9, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    # Phillistein Says:
    September 9th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Yo Original Chuck P

    It is unfortunate the willingness of some (many) of our phans to turn on the players after a bad week, month or even season. regardless of what they’ve done in the past.


    Yep. I don’t know how many posts I read ripping Howard on this very site 10 days ago. As if a guy coming off the DL was supposed to step in and go on a 12 game hitting streak whilst batting .425.

  68. biz

    September 9, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    # Chuck Says:
    September 9th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Philly is unique with this sort of thing….and I love it. It’s what makes our great city what it is.


    I love Philly for a lot of reasons. Booing is not one of them. There have been players who deserved to be booed, but this season, I’ve seen Vic and Raul booed. Are you kidding me? Absolutely ridiculous and classless. Everybody who was at the park doing that should be ashamed of themselves. Those guys aren’t perfect, but they bust it on every single play. You’ll never see either one of them jog to first on a grounder to the 2nd baseman. They give it 100% all the time. That booing made me sick.

  69. Bob

    September 9, 2010 at 3:48 pm


    Thank you for acknowledging my right to boo, much appreciated!

    In all seriousness, a good conversion for an off day. And I happen to agree with the reasons you would boo an athlete who gets played to play.

    I would like to think I don’t boo unless I have to (See Werth pickoffs 1 and 2, Werth’s throw behind the runner at 3rd, Victornio pick off, anytime Adam Eaton stepped on the mound, Jimmy Rollins not running a play out, etc).

  70. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 4:08 pm


    If you would have read my last post, I said that I generally don’t boo our “core” players. Last I checked, Raul and Vic are core players so I’m really not sure what your point is by calling me out.

  71. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Heckling is accepted behavior. What fun giving it to Manny when he patrolled left field for the Dodgers.

  72. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    CC plays in the AL east. With the DH. Skews the stats.
    But guess what? Ill take Cole over him right now.
    The yankees will not represent the AL in the world series this year.
    Phil hughes starting game 2?

  73. Phillistein

    September 9, 2010 at 4:32 pm


    Booing the opposition is one thing. Booing your own something else entirely.

    (As I’m writing this I’m thinking of what I would do watching kendrick come off the mound after giving up his 5th run in three innings.)

    Here’s my dilemna. few years back i was lucky to be at a game where Howard hit 3 homers. I attended another game that same week – might have been the next day.

    He strikes out three times – and he was booed.

    How DOES that work? Do you think you’re going to make him concentrate harder the next time? Sorry, if I maY be so indelicate – IT’S STUPID!!!!!!!

  74. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    I agree, that doesn’t work. That’s why I don’t boo our core players and most of the others.

    Exceptions this year are:

    Greg Dobbs
    Nate Robertson (last night)
    Kendrick (yeah, maybe)
    Danys Baez
    maybe one or two others

    Jacka$$es on other teams deserve it once in awhile as do umps that just plain suck.

  75. Bruce

    September 9, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Philly boobirds..ahh..h yes, they do have that reputation. I wonder why? 😉

  76. Phillistein

    September 9, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Hey Andy,

    Disagree about the Yanks. They own the Twins. Texas – gimme a break. Maybe, just maybe Rays will knock them out – but I don’t think so

  77. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    We shall see. The Yankees won it all last year. The Phillies had no cole Hamels ( not worth anything) and started 2 games with Pedro Martinez in the WS ( hes still not in the league this year). It seemed to me every close ball was 2 inches fair for them and 2 inches foul for the phillies. The Yankees had home field and it was still close.
    You win it all you win it all. Cant take away from it. But thats 1 title since 2000 with all that payroll and picked every year. Same as the Phillies. I generally dont drink the yankees kool aid long term. that said either way I am happy if the phils make it. Id love a rematch vs them or to play Texas or TB. Lately it appears Texas has fell on hard times though. I personly dont see the Yankees in the series again. Ill take the filed in that bet.

  78. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Its a real gut chceck tongiht for the cardinals.
    with Pujos and Holliday and that staff and HOF manager. And best defensive catcher in majors. I dont get it.
    I expect then to take 3 or 4 in this series or the problems there run deeper than what can be seen from the outside.

  79. biz

    September 9, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    # Chuck Says:
    September 9th, 2010 at 4:08 pm


    If you would have read my last post, I said that I generally don’t boo our “core” players. Last I checked, Raul and Vic are core players so I’m really not sure what your point is by calling me out.


    Chuck, I’m not calling you out, I was just responding to your post. I probably should have clarified that. My apologies.

    I was referring to the people down at CBP who were booing Vic and Raul in particular earlier in the season.

  80. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    I hate projecting ahead but, I would really love to face the Yanks again this time with bats working. We could start Blanton, Kendrick & Eaton it wouldn’t matter. Put in Jose Table as relief – it wouldn’t matter.

    Smash baseball!

  81. biz

    September 9, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Phillistein Says:
    September 9th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Here’s my dilemna. few years back i was lucky to be at a game where Howard hit 3 homers. I attended another game that same week – might have been the next day.

    He strikes out three times – and he was booed.


    Yeah, that drives me nuts. That’s what the rest of the country judges us by, too. And that’s a real shame because we are some great fans, but as a whole, we do some stupid things that the rest of the country just looks at and shakes their heads. St Louis would never boo Pujols for K’ing 3 times, yet we boo our MVP 1Bman if he doesn’t hit a homerun every AB. I was watching the game with my father the other day and after Ryno K’ed with a man on and a 3 run lead, my pop said, “He stinks.” An argument ensued where I said “this guy’s 162 game averages are around .280, 41, and 147, what more do you want from the man? A homer every game? We have a nice lead” His response, “It would have been nicer with a homer.” There is no pleasing this town. It’s even worse amongst Eagles fans, IMO.

  82. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Phillistein, my Grand daughter and I were at that game too when Ryan hit the 3 hrs. First game of the double header, second double header in consecutive days, vs Atlanta.

    Ryan Howard solidified his Superhero status that day, how can you boo a true Superhero.

  83. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    biz, no worries.

  84. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Superman doesnt swing at balls in the dirt.
    But really none of these guys deserve a booing.
    Madson deserved one for being a knuclehead and breaking his toe. But hes been good now anyway. so why bother?
    I personaly wouldnt even boo Dobbs.
    When Lidge blows up. Or like last year when Cole was being a little girl. I came on here and vented and thats that.
    And now Cole is my favorite phillie in 2010. Id have traded him to timbuktu after last year. But thats why I am not GM or manager. I am just a fan and can hate a guy one year and love him the next.
    Also dont forget how the hostile fans in Philly get in a players head. Broxton doesnt wanna ever pitch here agian believe me. One of the reasons I want best record is the level of home field advantage. And these nutty fans are the main reason.

    Cinncinati jumped out over colorado 5-0 in the second. Colorado now leading 6-5 in the 9th. We dont want to play colorado. No one wants to play colorado. Winnig that game there was huge for us.

  85. biz

    September 9, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Superman doesnt swing at balls in the dirt.


    For the love of god…

  86. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    amen.. biz

    The Rockies did it again.
    This is very scary. Today was incredible. 4 back of WC
    It does help phils for best record in NL for the Reds to lose.

  87. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Chuck (sorry I dont recall), was it you who said that Cincy looks like the real deal? I just don’t think they can stand with the big boys. They are leading their division because they feast on the stiffs but sally up for the competitive teams. Like what they did with Colorado today. The Reds are 6-12 vs the Cards and vs the rest of their division they are 25-7. In a quick analysis I did earlier, the Reds are 12 games under .500 when playing teams that are vying for post season and they have an incredible W/L record when facing the stiff. The Phils on the other hand fare much worse when playing slugs and much better when playing teams in contention.

    I would not be to worried about the Reds.

  88. bacardipr05

    September 9, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    We have as good as chance as any team right now to make it deep in playoffs or to WS. My main worries are hitting inconsistency and we dont have a deep bull pen. Yes i know our bullpen has been doing the job. Durbin has been getting rocked lately and Madson seems to be the go to go. JC Romero has been erratic to say the least. Then there is Baez, Herndon and the sort. Lidge has been great past 4-5wks but now he is having pain. Our 3 starters cant possibly pitch complete games especially if we are going with a 3 man rotation presumably. Even then there is a possibly of a bad start.

  89. biz

    September 9, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Andrew, I couldn’t hit a slider either.

    And I still think the Rox have too deep a hole to climb out of. It’s not August anymore. 5 games is big.

  90. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    @ Brooks
    I picked the Reds all year. I think their SP is solid thier hitting is solid and thier pen is solid.
    No one is going into colorado now and doing well. Phils played thier asses off for that win.
    The reds will win that division and are the main threat to the Phils for best record in NL. I dont think they can beat the phils in a playoff series though. Colorado can.

  91. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Its 4 games biz
    If atl loses tongiht the Rockies are 3.5 out.

  92. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Charlie has NEVER gone with a 3 man roatation in the playoffs before.
    why is it assumed he would this year? Nor do I want it.
    You pitch them on regular rest. worked in 08 and worked ok last year.


    September 9, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    @andrew-howard is superman to the phillies—- 🙂

  94. biz

    September 9, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    September 9th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    @andrew-howard is superman to the phillies—- 🙂


    Damn straight, he is. He’s also Batman, Aquaman, Iron Man, and a few others I can’t think of right now.

  95. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Jay you better be rooting for the Cardinals tonight. I am watching that and not the NFL.
    OK Ill look over a little to catch fantasy football implications.

  96. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Al Harbosky doing the cardinals game! the mad hungarian.


    September 9, 2010 at 7:06 pm



    September 9, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    DAMMMM STR8-BIZ!!!!!!!!!


    September 9, 2010 at 7:10 pm


  100. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Are you kidding me
    base hit by the lead off man singles and 2 throwing errors
    1-0 atl

    ok cardinals may be a joke

  101. biz

    September 9, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    Cards have quit. Pathetic. Nice to see that teams like the mets and the Cards don’t even try when they play the Braves. Guess we gotta do it ourselves.

  102. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    watch the Mets play hard vs phils.
    Ill be very pissed.

  103. biz

    September 9, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    You know they will

  104. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    3-0 braves
    time to watch the office

  105. ChuckS

    September 9, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    on the plus side, Wainwright’s Cy young stock is dropping, GO DOC!!!

  106. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Wainwright out of the Cy talk
    Doc is leading that now clearly unless wainwright can get the win oon a miracle

  107. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    didnt see that chucks
    yuo are correct sir

  108. Manny

    September 9, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Thanks for sucking Wainwright!

  109. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    the 2 throwing errors to the first batter marred it
    one on the GREAT pujos
    OK X he cardinals out of the playoffs officially

  110. Philly Geoff

    September 9, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    I would love another shot at the Yankees. With Doc and home field… and oh yeah, Cole being Cole. It wasn’t that long ago he was the best pitcher on the planet this time of year. 25 scoreless.

  111. ChuckS

    September 9, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Pete Happy with a RBI

  112. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    braves not fielding either
    no one wants to make the playoffs
    but the Rockies and Phillies

  113. ChuckS

    September 9, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    don’t count cards out yet

  114. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    5-3 st louis
    re: the braves

    uh ok mark them off the board too LOL

  115. ChuckS

    September 9, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    I am not at all intimated by any of the NL teams out there, the other fans out there have to be scared of the phils

  116. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    wainwright is 44-1 career when getting 5 runs or more

  117. biz

    September 9, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    The Reds have lost 5 straight and the Cards have only gained 2 games. Talk about blowing a golden opportunity.

  118. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    I watch the rockies alot. After the phils
    Fear them. I do. Be nice if they dont make it
    otherwise I agree

  119. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    dirt cheap
    cigarettes and beer

    Damn I love the midwest commericals and people

  120. ChuckS

    September 9, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Are the rockies good enough to take their division? If not we would have them in a short series, home with home field advantage

  121. Philly Geoff

    September 9, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    And we hit Ubaldo…

  122. ChuckS

    September 9, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    I wonder if Bravoman will stop by tonight

  123. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Yes the rockies are good enough to take thier division.
    They are the only other NL team that can beat an AL team also IMO

    We especialy dont want them in round 1 believe me.

    Bravoman is a clown


    September 9, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    no bravoman unless they are up big!

  125. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Sincs all star Ubaldo hasnt even been that good. Its a surging team.

    They are also the last NL team to beat the Phillies in the playoffs. It was in round 1. And they came on like gang busters to end the season. Sound familar?

  126. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Wainright has lost his last four starts, hope he settles down.

    I want to weigh in on Ryan Howard with the evening guys – I posted this earlier today, sorry to repeat it if you already read it.
    Our often citicized first baseman, does a lot of things wrong. He strikes out alot, he should walk more, he should try to take balls the opposite way against the shift, he shouldn’t swing at balls in the dirt, he should do this and he shouldn’t do that———

    But when speaking in terms of THE greatest power hitters in the HISTORY of baseball, Ryan Howard is number one, in one category.
    We are watching history in the making, and I am thankful for it.

  127. Manny

    September 9, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Phillies Cut Robertson, Claim Carrillo

    >>that was fast!


    September 9, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Ty for that lefty-andrew plz read…


    September 9, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    cards are cooking!!!!!

  130. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    A sacrifice double play???? strange but I’ll take the run.


    September 9, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    ughhhhh—-wish they got more then 1—-wait albert goes deeeep!!!!


    September 9, 2010 at 8:25 pm


  133. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    I was telling people the braves were done 3 or 4 weeks ago.

    When you win on miracles over and over it ends at a point. And talent comes in.
    Miracles do cease.
    The Braves are a middle of the road team. Id fear houston more now in a series.

  134. charlie

    September 9, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    8-3 Cards dinger for Colby Rasmus see ya Jair

  135. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Jar-jar got tagged tonight! His ERA is an extremely Blantonesque 4.53, very mediocre.

    I caught some of Yahoo highlights as they were discussing, of course the Skanks. There were quite a few empty seats behind home plate. CC was pitching and the place did not look that crowded.

    Are the Phils the only team in the MLB to draw this kind of fan base? Apparently so!

    Go Phils!

  136. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Hoo boy, bases loaded 1 out for Cards –

  137. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Robertson SHOULD have been cut. I’m glad. He sucks big-time.


    September 9, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    GUYS IT OFFCICALY A BLOWOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  139. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Big nail in the coffin for Braves – 2 run single now 10-3


    September 9, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    10-3 CARDS!!!

  141. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Does anyone know about Ceasar Carillo?

  142. Kate

    September 9, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Back to the booing for a moment.

    Brad Lidge is also a player that when booed, I absolutely HATE every person at the ballpark. I don’t care that he blew a WS series save last year, I don’t care how many saves he blew in ’09, and I don’t care how many saves he blows, that man should never be booed in this town.

    Ditto Raul. He helped CARRY this team through what should have been the season-ending knock-out punch of the contagious DLing.

    Howard should also never be booed.

    Victorino loves this place and he loves the fans. He can make as many boneheaded moves as he wants and lose his patience with stupid so-called fans heckling in the outfield and I’ll punch anyone who boos him while I’m there.

    Utley gave us that fabulous “World Phucking Champions” speech. For that alone he should never be booed.

    I don’t think Oswalt is ever going to get booed in this town.

    What are the Squaws up to?

  143. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Getting killed Kate! 1 game lead after tonight


    September 9, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    LOSING 10-3 KATE…..

  145. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    Brooks here’s your answer about attendance. I’m still looking up Carillo.

  146. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    And Carillo. Click on scouting reports to understand the rating system.

  147. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Looks like Carillo pitched way better in AA than he did in AAA.

  148. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Paging bravoturd
    come in bravoturdo

  149. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Good Luck with that

  150. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Kate none of them should be booed.
    Madson shooting himself in the foot (literaly) is an exception. But instead of booing the fans should come here and vent and move on.
    It doesnt help. unless we get a guy who thrives on being booed why bother? Your there to help the team win. If booing helps win then I am all for it.

  151. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Interesting attendence figures. The phils can pay for players because of the fans attending. Good job to everyone.

    Looking at the road attendence the phils are 4th in avg attendence. The yankees are first. But why are houston and Milwaukee second and third? Is there a reason?

  152. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    I like the attendance spot Lefty. 100.3% filled, every night is awesome. Even more awesome is the tickets I still hold! 18th, 20th, 21rst, 25th & 26th left. Then, it begins!

    Kate, I have seen a lot of goofiness by the Phils on the field and I really don’t think that hearing boos from the Phaithful bothers the guys when they know they have screwed up. When the extended slump was on, after say the 4th inning and the Phils without a base hit, game after game.. there would be boos. We know what this team can do and has done and hopefully will do (a lot) more of and that’s score runs, runs and more runs. Do you think its possible that the Phils dont know how much we really love them? Its like saying a married couple doesn’t have their issues. It happens, Jayson gets booed and so do others when it seems they are not playing to their potential. Man, do we cheer like crazy when they show muster.

    I think the Phils know us enough and appreciate us too. Regardless of the trickling of jeers that come from the stands.

  153. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    I mean dodgers and astros
    it ist milwaukee. dodgers does make some sense

    The braves drew 2 milllion? When monkeys fly out of you know were. They are very good at inventing attendence numbers. But those fake attendees give you no revenue so who cares.

  154. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Pay me the minimum $400,000 and I’ll let you all boo me for three hours, 162 days of the week. But I get the other 194 days to myself

    Seriously, I don’t really boo my own players AT the game, in fact I have never said a bad word about any of the Phils players on here either. (other than joking around) But I defend the rights of fans who fill a stadium every night to boo or cheer all they want. Brave fans and Muts fans-not allowed to boo, those teams should boo them for lack of support.

  155. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Nice post, Kate. I agree.

  156. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Houston is the fourth largest (population) city in the country. That’s the only reason I can think of.

  157. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    Atlanta has two on- they only need nine runs this inning to win!

  158. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    One full game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  159. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    NOW, we’re alone in first place!

  160. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    yes lefty
    Braves so toasted

    I guess for the phils best case is SD gets WC and they get best record.

    But I just dont see Colorado not making it. Commen sense tells me its 2 of the 3 out west. And 1 of them is definately colorado.
    cardinals have to win next 3 then they are in it.

  161. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    The phillies drawing on the road is easy. Phillies fans live everywhere and the Phillies are the Yankees of the NL so people want to see us.
    Why the Astros draw on the road is a real oddity. Maybe a lot of people have moved out of houston.

  162. Kate

    September 9, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    I believe Manuel is currently waving at Cox in the rearview mirror.

  163. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    That’d be my guess, if Houston is fourth largest pop., probably plenty that have had to move for one reason or another. Phillies drawing on the road is impressive. We are loud and proud,

    This looks so good.

  164. Chuck

    September 9, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    Of all the teams out there the Rockies scare me the most. If we play them we HAVE to have home field.

  165. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    lol Kate. As much as I pick on old Cholly, I still love him.

  166. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Cards have to win the next 3? Andrew what are you talking about?
    Cards have little to no chance to either win the WC or take the Central. After they play the Braves 3 more times, they also have a 4 game homestand vs the Padres before finishing up with the Rockies with a season ending 4 game home stand. Not a chance the Cards are doing anything but helping to push the Braves out of our way.

    In the meantime, the Reds have a cake schedule except for 4 games vs the Padres as well. They play Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, Houston and AZ. How in the world can the Cards make up 5 games with these kinds of odds? It aint gonna happen.

  167. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Magic number is 21 with 21 games to go.

  168. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    Now if SD beats SF SD takes over best record in NL
    but SD is one team where if they have home field it doesnt matter.

    Chuck the rockies should scare everyone. But they are stil 3.5 back in the WC

    We really dont want ATL to be the wild card either. Means we wont play the WC round 1 and it means whoever draws them round 1 has a super easy first round series and can be prepared for the NLCS.

  169. betasigmadeltashag

    September 9, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    I know it was a long time ago that the post I am commenting on but i just have to say about this being the Golden Age of Phillies baseball. I have been a Phillies fan since I was 6 in 1971, and if there was the wild card or even if there where 3 divisions like there is now Those teams in the med to late 70’s and early 80 would have made more playoff runs and maybe advanced to some more WS. I think that makes a big difference in the perception of the team by the fans. It was a different era, but those Philly teams were pretty good, and where pretty set up for playoff runs if the format was like it is today. I am not saying this is not the best era of Phillies baseball, I think it is, but if there was not wild card and not 3 divisions, would the Phillies have made the playoffs in 07 or even 08. I am not sure, and I think this team when it is all over will be remembered fonder(is that a word) then that one, but to me they will always be pretty close.

  170. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    A sweep eats away at the WC. The braves are leading the WC.
    Meanwhile SD and SF plaing each other. Someone has to lose. If they win the next 3. Could be 2.5 back in WC easy.
    To me that means you are alive.

  171. BravoMan

    September 9, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    The Braves got killed tonight. I suppose y’all already know this. Jurrjens oughta be ashamed of himself after having a 3 run lead and choking it up. I think he’s hurt and isn’t telling. Little shit…. he better speak up so they can get somebody up that’s healthy.

  172. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    And brooks

    I dont see them in it. I am saying if they sweep there is most definately a pulse. Is all.

  173. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Your a little boy aren’t you Bravo? Tell the truth now.
    “I suppose y’all”
    “oughta be ashamed of himself”
    “hurt and isn’t telling”

    You write like a little boy, who has no friends.

    I’m not your friend either, now go back to bed or Y’all get in trouble cause I’ll tell on you, and then y’all be ashamed of yourself.

  174. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    If the Cards wind up in the post season, that would be a miracle too. 5.5 games back and with their schedule – too much to ask.

  175. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    I could care less if the Cards make it, as long as they take 2 of the next 3 games they play. Reds losing of late is incentive for them, realistic or not.

  176. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    In a way thier schedule and playing teams ahead of them potentialy is a help. But I would say yes they are the longest shot on the board in the NL of the teams that have a chance.

    NL odds to make playoffs. as div or WC
    Phillies 2/5
    Reds 4/5
    SD 2-1
    SF 2-1
    rockies 2-1
    braves 8-1
    cardinals 15-1

    everyone else 500-1

  177. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Lefty the cards would have to get red hot to make it and there is talent there. Even some world series rings. We want them to win the next 3 then wither away. We probably dont want them in.

  178. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Betasigma – I was around in the early 70’s too. This team has it over any team of the 70’s easy.
    I mean really, which other starter on those teams could match up to our #2 or #3? Today’s catcher is better, todays 2nd baseman, first baseman and I’ll stick by it, SS are all much better. I would probably take the Bull over Raul in LF (76 Phils) but I would take Shane over Maddox (its close there) and definitely Jay Werth over Jay Johnstone –
    Longborg, Kaat, Christenson and Tommy Underwood – vs Cole, Oswalt, Blanton and KK – OK, at this point I’d take pluto over KK – maybe Underwood over Cheeseburger..
    The bullpen is another story – the 76 Phils on paper had a much better pen.
    But when you compare the teams and the manager, this team wins hands down as the favorite.

  179. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Andrew you were asking for “the child” all night and when he came, you did not address him. I know you always say ignore him, but tonight I thought you might have something prophetic for him since you were inquiring.

  180. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    I agree 100% on the Cardinals, Andrew

  181. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Brooks, You can’t be serious about Vic and Maddox being close, can you? Don’t you remember?

    ——Two thirds of the world is covered by water, the rest by Garry Maddox.

  182. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    Nah. Hes pretty boring to me now.
    I usually post the IQ chart and point out that he is feeble minded though.
    Remember to refer to the child as feeble minded. Since thats where he falls on the chart (46 IQ). At one time I had hoped he had made it to borderline deficiency. But he just couldnt cut the mustard (like the Braves). Poor kid.

    IQ Range (“ratio IQ”) Intelligence Classification
    164 and over Genius or near genius
    148 – 164 Very superior intelligence
    132 – 148 Superior intelligence
    113 – 132 Above average intelligence
    84 – 113 Normal or average intelligence
    68 – 84 Dullness
    52 – 68 Borderline deficiency
    Below 52 Definite feeble-mindedness

  183. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    It must be a tough life to be an unloved AND feeble minded child.

    P.S.- I believe probably fall somewhere near the cusp of dull and borderline deficient. LOL.

  184. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Victorino is pretty good and things in the past always seem better than they were. Maddox could really fly on that astro turf/crap that helps him. But the guy was the best for sure. Shane is no slouch. He is great too. You cant win without a really good defensive CF. CF is a defensive position.

  185. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Chris collinsworth is so bad. I watch the eagles every game. Been watching with the same guys for 15 years since we used to have to goto bars here in Maryland to watch. But the NFL is so boring to me now. If it wasnt for fantasy I dont think I could watch the non eagles games. I know its such an easy sport to follow that the masses get into it But it bores me to tears anymore.

  186. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Oh Shane is no slouch, FAR from it. I have never said this before, but I believe HE is the sparkplug of the team, not JRoll. JRoll plays a very important part don’t misunderstand. But there were no WS appearances from this team before Shane, and I don’t think there will be after he’s gone.

    But the “Secretary of Defense” was Garry Maddox who played center but covered left for a very slow Luzinski too.

  187. Lefty

    September 9, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Talk to you tomorrow Andrew and Brooks or anyone else that’s still here.

  188. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    The only games I really enjoy watching now are the Colts. Peyton Manning is not of this planet. Last year the Colts won over 12 games for the 7th year in a row. Unheard of.

    After he breaks every QB record and sets the alltime standard for perfection for the position, what will he do next? This guy is driven.

  189. Brooks

    September 9, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    See you tomorrow Lefty, Andrew

  190. loupossehl

    September 9, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    Root for San Diego.

    And root for the Braves to right the ship, just enough to win the wild card and freeze out the Giants and Rockies from the NLCS.

  191. Bruce

    September 9, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    I’m surprised that no one here has picked up on a news item by the AP concerning Polanco’s revelation that he is playing with a broken left elbow which he described as a small break. He said that he is postponing surgery until after the season because the Phillies are in a pennant race. Because of his broken elbow he had been compensating on his swing and caused another complication with tendonitis in his forearm. This is obviously not good news and one more worry for both the team and fans.

  192. Andrew from waldorf

    September 9, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Polanco is a man and will soldier. Hes been playing GG third and still hitting.
    But no its not good news. Thanks for the heads up. I read the article. I am more worried about rollins hammy though.

    burrell just hit a BOMB in san diego.
    I mean a MOON shot

    7-1 giants over padres

  193. bacardipr05

    September 10, 2010 at 12:01 am

    Yea Polanco news worries me…without him…well I dont even want to think about it…lets hope he can make it the rest of the year…

  194. biz

    September 10, 2010 at 12:15 am

    Polanco has been amazing. We have Hudson to thank for his elbow.

  195. Andrew from waldorf

    September 10, 2010 at 12:56 am

    Sd loses to SF
    Still best record in the NL
    That should be the goal

  196. bacardipr05

    September 10, 2010 at 1:03 am

    The Rockies as i said a while ago are a threat and face it they have a lil revenge on their minds…

  197. Brooks

    September 10, 2010 at 5:19 am

    The East of course has the best race going but the West is pretty compelling too since the Padres are collapsing.
    The remainder of the schedule for each of the 3 teams seems to favor the Rockies and the Giants. The Padres have a tough schedule no matter how you look at it.
    The Giants have 21 games left and only play 2 teams with a winning record. One of those teams is the Padres who own a 9-3 W/L record face up vs the Giants but who are also on a mammoth slide. The 2 teams play 6 more games. The only other team with a winning record they face is the Rockies for 3 at Colorado.
    The Rockies have 22 games left and face 3 teams with winning records (9 games). 3 of those are the Padres and the Rox have owned the Friars this year with 11 wins in 15 games so far. The other 2 teams are the Giants for 3 (at home) and they finish off the season with 4 games at St. Louis (so far they are 3-0 vs the Cards) – a huge series not doubt.
    The Padres, if you feel somewhat sorry for them have the most difficult remaining schedule. 23 games, 16 of those games are vs teams with winning records including the Giants for 6 (final 3 games of the season in SF – the Pads lead that series 9-3), Colorado for 3 (the Rox own the Pads), at St. Louis for 4 and a 3 game series vs the Reds. Not a warm fuzzy for the first place Padres I’d say.
    The Friars have a dwindling 1 game lead over the Giants who they lost to last night and are playing them for 3 more, followed by the Rox for 3 (away), the Cards for 4 (away) – no, it does not look good for the Padres.
    The Giants look like the have a great chance. Like I said not only are they playing SD right now in a 4 games series, they finish the season at home with the Pads with 3. Easier schedule, Burrell, Aubrey Huff (I think is underrated), Lincecum and Cain are all starting to get really hot.
    The Rox are currently 3.5 games out but also have a pretty easy schedule to close out the regular season, in comparison. They are starting a 3 game series vs AZ at home, followed by 3 more at home vs the Padres (whom they own) which for the Friars comes on the heels of this current 4 game stand vs the Giants, the Pads could be reeling. The Rox then face LA (yawn), AZ again (yawwn), have a 3 game face off with the Giants at home and finish up with LA for 3 and a 4 game trip to St. Louis which could be very interesting, if the Cardinals still feel like playing at the end of the season.
    So, the East is ours. If the Braves don’t stop their free fall, the WC is still in heavy contention with one of the teams from the West or, the Pads could fall into the WC – who knows??
    I’m thinking Giants take the West, Rox take the WC.
    That would mean Rox vs Phils
    Giants vs Reds
    Not bad matchups!


    September 10, 2010 at 7:08 am

    Polly news is not good,but he has played with it for some time.That makes me feel better knowing he has done ok with it!!!!!

  199. Manny

    September 10, 2010 at 9:32 am

    To me it sounds that his injury will progressively get worse… he’s messing up his arm now because of it… this is downright scary. Who are we gonna throw out there in the middle of a pennant race? DOBBS? Ransom?

  200. Chuck

    September 10, 2010 at 10:15 am

    No Dobbs. PLEASE….NO GREG DOBBS!!!!!!!!!

    Thank the good Lord for Wilson Valdez.

  201. The Original Chuck P

    September 10, 2010 at 10:19 am

    I was dead wrong on Polanco since day one… what he is doing is nothing short of heroic. Playing through pain is one thing but playing through a broken elbow is remarkable… Doe Equis spokesperson material.

    Re: Playoffs

    First and foremost… No one wants to play us in either league.

    Second, the only teams that could even remotely challenge us are the Rockies and the Cardinals. The Rockies have enough fire power and capable pitching to make a short series very interesting… I would rather not play them in a best of 5 but I wouldn’t shy away from it, either. Their starting pitching is good but inconsistent; they would need Jimenez to be pre-all-star break Jimenez and one of De La Rosa or Hammel to be good, which doesn’t always happen. I think that our 2/3 starters are good enough to keep them to 3 runs but anything can happen at Coors. I would feel pretty good about our chances but I wouldn’t be upset if they ended up playing someone else in the NLDS. The Cardinals have a less potent lineup but they have great pitching and two guys (Pujols/Holliday) that you never want to see up with men on base. Getting their 1/2 guys out is the key… their pitching is better than the Rockies but their lineup is easier to maneuver. That would be a tough series, short or long. Thankfully, both of those teams are on the outside looking in and if they do manage to get in, it’s going to be a battle right down to the wire.

  202. Chuck

    September 10, 2010 at 10:27 am


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