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Phils Lose to Nats on Hangover Day

There was a game played today? How dare they. After the champagne was cleaned up (although Matt Gelb of the Inquirer said there was a candle lit in the clubhouse and it still smelled of bubbly and stogies) the Phillies and Nationals got together for game two of a now-meaningless series. The Nats won 2-1 tonight on an Adam Dunn walkoff blast in the ninth, causing a celebration of sorts for the cellar dwelling neighbors to the south.

Roy Oswalt got the start and didn’t last very long before Charlie Manuel pulled the plug on his outing. He was stopped at just 66 pitches in an effort to keep him fresh for either Game 1 or Game 2 of the National League Division Series which begins next Wednesday. The over/under set by myself was at 70, so whoever had the under won nothing. For the playoffs, Slot #1 is reserved for Mr. Halladay, but beyond that, the order is not known.

Anywho, Oswalt was nice again tonight, throwing five innings and allowing no earned runs. Washington scored in the first inning after a Jimmy Rollins error on an attempted run-down play. Rollins threw the ball past Greg Dobbs as they tried to get Nyjer Morgan between second and third. Morgan would score a batter later on a ground out by Dunn.

Dunn would strike early and then again late with his 38th home run off Jose Contreras, an absolute missile well into the second deck.

Now on to more important things, such as the health of their shortstop Jimmy Rollins. J-Roll made his return to the starting lineup for the first time since September 8, going 1-for-3 with a few weak ground outs to first base. He said later that he probably wouldn’t be healthy until February, noting that legging out infield singles will have to wait until then. But as long as Rollins can maneuver in the field and give the Phils some clutchness in the postseason, it’s all you can ask for.

Few other notes: Dom Brown stole two bases tonight, flashing some speed that we hope to see next year. Placido Polanco got the night off and likely will have every night off until next Wednesday. He’s expected to have another cortisone shot in his bad elbow, which should help him get through October. Greg Dobbs went 0-for-4 with two strikeouts – he did not make a case for a spot on the postseason roster with another ugly performance. If it comes down to Brown and Dobbs, who do you take?



  1. Andrew from waldorf

    September 28, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    The usher in my section. Who I snuck into after last night. Said it didnt look like I got any sleep.
    Beats the nosebleeds I was supposed to be in.

    Oh yea I forgot saw Charles Krautheimer dude was all by himself with no handlers in his wheelchair. Mans a genius politics aside. That was a thrill.

  2. David

    September 28, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    I don’t see Dobbs making the postseason roster or on the team next year. He gave the Phillies two good years and may have been instrumental in helping the Phillies win the division titles in 2007 and 2008.

    In his first full major league year at the age of 28 years old, Dobbs performed very well and even better in his second fully year. But now that he has gotten over the excitement of being in the major leagues, he has tailed off.

    I think there will be six reserves picked for that roster. My guess is that they will be Wilson Valdez, Brian Schneider, Ross Gload, Ben Francisco, Mike Sweeny and Dom Brown.

  3. Nunzio Scholeri

    September 29, 2010 at 2:32 am

    I can’t imagine how one could even consider bringing Dobbs over Brown. Brown gives you more options and does them better.

  4. Dan

    September 29, 2010 at 3:25 am

    Dobbs has GOT to go. If he is included on the post-season roster I may have to hold back the urge to hurl.

  5. MikeB.

    September 29, 2010 at 4:32 am

    Dobbs should have gotten the Jeltz Award for this loss instead of Contreras. At the bat, was 0 for 4 with 2 strikeouts and six runners left on the base paths. Schneider was just as bad, hitless and left 4 runners on. Should have not been a tie 1-1 game with Contreras coming in and put on the spot in the 9th inning on the road. Lack of the big hit when needing it.

  6. Lefty

    September 29, 2010 at 5:08 am

    I hate to say it, but we almost have to keep Dobbs, otherwise Valdez would be our only backup infielder.(not including 1b)
    Schneider C
    Gload 1b-OF
    Sweeney 1b
    Ben Fran- OF
    Dom Brown- OF
    Dobbs 3b-LF

    If JRoll and/or Polanco can’t play- Valdez can’t play both positions at the same time. I’d hate to do it, but GLoad may have to be left off, unless we’re willling to carry 7 bench players and cut one reliever.

  7. bfo_33

    September 29, 2010 at 7:05 am

    I agree that you have to keep Dobbs (although I’d almost prefer to put Ben Fran at 3rd and take may chances). There’s a lot of space between games, so it may may reduce the amount of pitchers needed:

    Div Series

    Blanton (emergency relief)

    Then 2 (if you keep Brown) or 3 of the following:

    I think you want 2 lefties in the pen, and while Romero has experience, Bastardo looks real good right now. Baez and Herndon probably aren’t going to see any time unless the game is out of reach. So the question is, with 4 guys, 3 spots, who do you take

    Gload is an experienced, reliable bat, and has contributed throguhout the season. Along with Francisco, Brown is the only speed off the bench. While not looking too good lately, Contreras has big game ability. KK has had success out of the pen. Not an easy choice – skills plus contribution to the season. I’d leave KK off the divisional series roster, see how PP and Rollins are, then decide between Dobbs and Brown for the next series.

  8. bfo_33

    September 29, 2010 at 7:14 am

    Meant 3 (if you keep Brown) or 4…. Hope the general idea came across. Rollins has 4 more games to look at least somewhat competent at the plate – right now, he’s an easy out. Can’t dis him by leaving him off the roster if he can walk, but if last night is a preview of his at bats, I would feel a lot better with Valdez starting at short.

  9. charlie

    September 29, 2010 at 7:20 am

    dobbs is horrible………………….needs to go . he is a BIG NOTHING at the plate and is slightly worse than another big nothing BIG JOHN MAYBERRY JUNIOR.

  10. bfo_33

    September 29, 2010 at 7:28 am

    Agree that Dobbs is done, but if PP and Rollins are unable to play, who’s on third? We have no other infielders eligible for the post season roster. May be able to put Sweeney there?

  11. Pat Gallen

    September 29, 2010 at 8:13 am

    My issue with this now is, why didn’t Ruben Amaro go out and get ANYONE to take Dobbs spot. Bocock is not a real option.

    There are a million options at third base scattered all around baseball for very cheap that could have been just as much an option at 3B as Dobbs. Now, I’m not crapping on Greg but he just hasn’t done anything this year and they should have prepared for this time without an infield backup.

  12. Chuck

    September 29, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Ok then….I’LL crap on Greg. He SUCKS. Plain and simple.

    Ricky Bo actually hinted about that very option last night after the game…that there COULD be a case made for Dobbs on the roster…because of his infield experience. He wants Brown…but gets the possible logic with Dobbs.

    In say take your chances WITHOUT him. Especially if J-Roll’s lack of speed is now a factor…you want another pair of legs on the team…as in Brown.

    Pat, I agree. WHY the F didn’t Ruben do something….anything to solve this problem…???

  13. Chuck

    September 29, 2010 at 8:57 am

    If Dobbs’ “experience” at 3rd base is the reason that the Phillies would consider putting him on the roster…then that’s a pretty weak argument.

    The man can’t play 3rd base. HE CAN’T!!!

    Someone earlier suggested (probably in jest) that Ben Fran could play 3rd. That may not be the best option if it came down to it…but I’m sure that one of those outfielders could play third base better than Greg Dobbs.

    I don’t want his sorry bat on that roster, either.

    I’d rather have Eric Bruntlett. Seriously.

  14. Sam

    September 29, 2010 at 9:25 am

    I heard on the radio that it is a possibility that the Phillies send Dom Brown down to the instructional leagues to get some work in in case they need him as a replacement for the playoffs. So unfortunately Dobbs is probably going to stay

  15. bfo_33

    September 29, 2010 at 9:35 am

    I was kind of kidding about Ben Fran, but the more I think about it, Sweeney may be a much better option. Why not plug him in at 3rd for the last 4 meaningless games, see what he can do. Being an infielder, he should have better quick reflexes than an outfielder. His arm appears to be decent. The only thing Dobbs brings to the table is he has an infielder glove. With Gload, Brown and Schneider, we have left handed bats off the bench. Give Sweeney a shot at third.

    Rube should be excutive of the year (if they have such an award), but he dropped the ball with Dobbs.

  16. Manny

    September 29, 2010 at 9:40 am

    No mention of Bastardo? He was philthy last night. I’ve been saying this all season long… Bastardo > Romero… if we’re going to have only 1 lefty out of the pen, I would prefer Bastardo.. come in, get the lefty out, no drama.. (the Romero scenario would be come in to face a lefty, walk him, then face a righty, extra-base hit). I hope he has a few solid games and makes a strong case for the post-season roster.

  17. Chuck

    September 29, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Well, I would think that we need them both…Romero and Bastardo. But, yeah, Bastardo has the goods for sure.

    Back to Dobbs. I just can’t stomach the thought of this stiff playing for the Phillies past this Sunday (Really, why the f*ck is he even playing now?).

    bfo, does he REALLY have an “infielder glove”?? I mean, how good is it?? I’d rather take my chances with what we have and put Brown on the roster for speed. Polanco is gonna grind it out….and so will Jimmy, I think.

    Maybe we shouldn’t have cut Juan Castro loose…

  18. Chuck

    September 29, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Money was an issue…and what’s done is done….but Ty Wigginton sure would look good in pinstripes right about now. Miguel Tejada as well…

  19. bfo_33

    September 29, 2010 at 10:11 am

    I didn’t say he has the ability to use it, was more thinking that he had a physical glove. Kind of like the guy who brings the ball gets to play. I think Brown would be a much better addition than Dobbs (if both Polly and Rollins go down, a cardboard cut-out would be as effective than Dobbs), but don’t think the Phils see it that way.

    Manny, I agree, Bastardo looked great last night – 96 mph, moving all over the place. While Romero has been iffy at best, woudl keep both on the post season roster.

  20. Matt Kwasiborski

    September 29, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Yes, it was a hangover game but games like last night scare me in the playoffs. I mean we have given up a total of 5 hits in 18 innings, yet split two games with the Nats (could be anyone really). While I know our C lineup is why we struggled but I can see the A lineup struggle just as much against Lincecum/Cain or Hudson/Hanson no matter how well H2O is pitching. Not to put a damper on our expectations but we didn’t clinch a WS berth just yet.

  21. Manny

    September 29, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Good to see you guys are on board with Bastardo…He really has “better stuff” and he has a little of postseason experience, too. Add to that a consistently good year in the minors –though some up-and-downs with the big league club. But think about NLDS 2009, Jason Giambi to the plate.. would you rather face a lefty hitter of such caliber with Romero, or with Bastardo? Bastardo came in and got that big K…

    Ideally, I think both should be on the postseason team. But if Charlie only goes with one –which has been the case 90% of the time this regular season– then I’m hoping it’s Bastardo.

  22. Manny

    September 29, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Yea, Dobbs… WTF… At this point, we can only hope he gets into a little bit of a rhythm and starts hitting the ball well… Based on our needs and in case of an emergency, Dobbs and Wilson are the only guys on that bench that Charlie trusts to play 3rd base. If Jimmy is really going to be semi-injured the rest of the way, and we end up with Valdez playing SS… then we can’t afford not to have Dobbs if disaster strikes and Polly and his elbow go down.

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