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2010-11 Free Agency

Odds and Ends: Samuel, Sandberg, Lee

-It is now official: the Phillies have spoken with Juan Samuel’s agent about filling the first base coaching vacancy left by Davy Lopes. Samuel was the Orioles interm manager this season before the team hired Buck Showalter. He’s also on the Phillies Wall of Fame, meaning the transition should be a smooth one from the likable Lopes.

The numbers speak for themselves when you talk about Lopes and what he did for the running game during his tenure. Obviously, whoever gets the job has big shoes to fill.

According to Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com, Mickey Morandini (don’t tell me you can look at that name and not have Harry Kalas say those words in you’re head) wants to jump back into coaching and the Phillies could bring him in. Salisbury says the two parties have spoken and he could be in line for a job in the farm system in 2011.


-Also believed to be in consideration is Ryne Sandberg, whom is also being looked as a possibility for the Triple-A Lehigh Valley managerial position. Bringing back Sandberg, who was traded from the Phillies in 1981 to the Cubs, would also help ease the blow of losing such a top-notch first base coach, should they want to put him on the big club.

Yesterday, Jay Floyd touched on Sandberg possibly rejoining the organization in some capacity.

-Cliff Lee is officially being courted by the Yankees. In a recruiting-style trip, Yankees GM Brian Cashman is headed to Arkansas to meet with Lee and his family in an attempt to fill his house with hundred dollar bills. OK, maybe he’s not going that far, but odds are the Yankees will offer him a considerable amount of money to join. Only the Rangers seem to be as hot on Lee as the Yankees are, although as many as eight teams, including the Phillies, have shown some level of interest in the left-hander.

My personal hope is that he resigns with the Rangers. They have a fine young core and he would be the ace they need going forward. Again, any good player can go to the Yankees and win. Rather, I’d like to see a guy like Lee stick with a team that doesn’t throw money around like Halloween candy to anyone and everyone. Let’s hope that if the Phillies can’t nail him down in Philly again, that the Rangers keep him.



  1. jeff

    November 10, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Pedro Feliciano will be headed to philly.

  2. Jay

    November 10, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Hopefully Nolan has a bit of an edge over Cashman being a pitcher himself. Cliff doesn’t seem like he’s is all about the money but I could be wrong.

  3. betasigmashag

    November 10, 2010 at 10:50 am

    I do not know if he was not about the money wouldn’t he have taken the 4 years eighty million the Phillies offered him last year. I think the only thing that would keep him out of NY is the fact that they treated his wife like crap when the Rangers were there in the post season. But I do think the 6 years 138-140 million would cure all the ill will toward NY for little Cliffy. And I do not see Texas ponying up that many years and that much money just coming off bankrupcy. I also think that Nolan Ryan can find two or three pitchers to match this young team for that money.

  4. Sweet Dee

    November 10, 2010 at 11:07 am

    I honestly can’t take Cliff Lee being in blue pinstripes. I wish he’d go anywhere but to the Yankees.

  5. Chuck

    November 10, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    The Yankees will overpay and it will come back to bite them. I really don’t care. Seriously….does anyone REALLY care about Cliff Lee? I wish we would just move on from this.

  6. Dave

    November 10, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    It’s ALWAYS about the money. The days of Andre Dawson telling the Cubs to fill in a blank check for whatever they deemed fair are over.

  7. Lefty

    November 10, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Since I believe there is less than a 5% chance that the Rangers will sign Lee, I’d like to see RAJ or another team raise the stakes with Lee. Not for the purpose of signing him, just to make the Yankees have to pay more. If NY wants to be the only team that can pay him, make them pay big.

  8. The Dipsy

    November 10, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    I don’t think the Phils offered Cliff 4/80 last year Shag. He woulda stayed for that.

    The Dipsy

  9. therookie300

    November 10, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    This is Lee’s and Werth’s chance to cash that one big paycheck of their careers. They’ve played more than well enought to have earned what others have gotten before them. It’s now their turn. It just depends on how big they want that paycheck to be.

  10. bfo_33

    November 10, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    I wouldn’t write off the Rangers on Lee. Rangers just got a new tv deal, so they have more money than in the past. Anyone with a spouse who has moved before knows it is a team decision. If Mrs Lee doesn’t want to go to NY, Lee doesn’t want to be a bachelor for 6 mos of the year, and Nolan and Co can be creative, they have a shot. Plus, Texas plays spring ball in Az vs Fla.

    I’m not sure Lee would have stayed for any amount of money. While being a big league ballplayer has a ton of perks (certainly a whole lot more than any job I’ve ever had), one downside is many never get an opportunity to control where they play. Lee and Werth are lucky in that they get their chance after pretty good years. It is certainly worth taking a look around.

  11. jeff

    November 10, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Listen I grew up a huge sports fan. Loved the NBA back in the day. I have not watched a game in over four years. The league is filled with no talent T h u g s. They care more about stats then winning. NFL I have always loved but the game has changed. The rules and players have changed. Not the same. NHL who cares. Baseball is my last love but its changing. Now that I have a son my priorites in life have changes. These guys dont care anymore. Money rules. I and all of you work your a s s off everyday just to pay the bills. These guys make millions. Its not fun anymore. I dont think I will be watching the phillies after this run is over. Just tired of todays sports and they athletes that go into it.

  12. Geoff

    November 10, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Well said…

    Start of rant…

    Though I am a big NHL fan, not many of those guys are criminals. The NBA does not exist in my opinion. It is beyond disgraceful. The NFL is so extreme and outrageous it comes off as about as real as WWF Wrestling, they are ALL on steroids but almost all of them get a free pass. Like half the NFL has been arrested in recent years for raping women, killing people, driving drunk repeatedly, etc..But for some reason in the NFL and NBA its all covered over and passed off as excuses…gee I wonder why? SHAME on people who still buy NFL apparel and support that garbage, SHAME ON YOU.

    Other than the NHL, and Soccer (not many criminals there either), baseball is the last remaining MAJOR sport where at least they arent all criminals or rapists or murderers. Baseball tried to cleanup its image tremendously, and they took all the heat for it while the NFL and NBA were given a free pass for FAR worse things than steroids.

    End of rant…

    Let all these big money guys go. I think it is absolutely outrageous to give Howard that contract out of the blue, there was no need for it. Now you are stuck with him.

    I advocate at least attempting to trade the following people THIS offseason: Shane Victorino, Joe Blanton, Chase Utley, Brad Lidge, Raul Ibanez. Far too much money to those guys for what you get in return. Chase Utley is the epitome of the lazy all talent no heart professional athlete – total sterotype. He cannot play second base all that great anymore, might as well see if anyone will ask for him. Though thats not likely.

  13. Geoff

    November 10, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    This team is OLD, and they get old fast. They can afford to lose those 5 guys along with losing Werth if they are replaced with YOUNG players who WANT to play hard again, kind of like those guys used to when they came up.

  14. Geoff

    November 10, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    For those of you who remember years past…I do that rant about once a year.

  15. bfo_33

    November 10, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Jeff, I agree to an extent. Even before I had kids, I stopped following basketball and hockey. Football fell more into entertainment (I don’t think I’ve watched a whole game in ten years, where there was a time I didn’t move from the couch on Sundays, and if there were some good college matchups, not much on Saturdays either). Sports have taken a back seat to life, which is probably a good thing.

    Baseball has always been more than just entertainment for me, though. There is something about being at the ballpark, and the building drama throughout a game and the season that keeps me hooked. Even when the team is bad (and we’ve seen enough of them), there are still special moments in a season.

    I don’t even resent the players making more money in a year than I’ll make in a lifetime. For every Barry Bonds, there is a Chris Coste or Jamie Moyer who actually appreciate the fans, and against all odds, have some success. It is a perfect game played by imperfect people, and over the past few years, we’ve been lucky enough to have a few good guys to root for.

    I’m looking ahead to 2011 for a few moonshots from Ryan Howard, the best starting rotation in Phils history together for a whole season, a healthy Jimmy Rollins creating havoc on the basepaths, and the maturing process of Dom Brown. On paper we’ll win the division, but you never know how it will unfold. I still feel like a kid every spring, and it sure beats “The Jersey Shore” or whatever other crap passes for entertainment.

  16. branderson

    November 10, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    hit the nail on the head. always hear HK in my head when i see morandini in print


  17. Chuck

    November 10, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    “The epitome of the lazy all talent no heart professional athlete – total stereotype”

    And you’re talking about Chase Utley here? I just want to make sure.

    I sure am glad you make that rant only once per year.

  18. The Dipsy

    November 10, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    I don’t give a damn about the money. I used to be a gigantic NBA fan. Now the game sucks big time. High school kids come in with no idea how to play and the points scored are on dunks or threes. Its sad. There may not have been any better era in any sport that the NBA in the 1980s.

    Hockey? Who cares?

    In the NFL you can’t touch a receiver or a QB any more without getting fined or having interference called. Bunch of pansies. And Leave Ben Roethlisberger alone. Suspended for acting like a 28 year old kid? I want Earl Campbell.

    Baseball is still great, though, as Phils fans can attest. That bifurcated Phillies-Rockies playoff game was…I mean, where you ever gonna see that? Thats great stuff. Do you ever realize how much we micromanage this team? What other town would you find a pack of rabid dogs calling for Eric Bruntlett’s head? Its cause we love it.

    The Dipsy

  19. Lefty

    November 10, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    According to all reports, The epitome of the lazy all talent no heart professional athlete is about to win a gold glove in a few minutes.

  20. Lefty

    November 10, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Or not! Oh well good job Shane.

  21. jeff

    November 10, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Baseball was the last sport for me. Now with Bonds, Big Mac, Sosa, Aroid, all cheating its a disgrace. These guys make so much money its fantasy world. I grew up with the NBA..Dr. J…Oh my god.. Magic, Bird, Kareem, Ewing, Jordon, the big O, etc. WOW. That was amazing. Can you imagine the old Celtics with Bird, Parish, Johnson, Ainge, and Mckale against todays NBA. Yes these guys are bigger and faster but they lack the fundimentals. Baseball is changing. The parks are smaller, the pitching mostly watered down from team to team. A guy like Howard who can hit big homers, average fielder and strikes out alot makes 125 million. What would Babe be worth today. I just do not get the same enjoyment out of it anymore. I root for the Phillies but not the same.

  22. MikeB.

    November 10, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Jeff is kind of right but what are you going to do? You have to take it or leave it. Not much we can do about it outside of not attending games and supporting merchandise sales.

    Post season baseball is not what it was like in the “old days”. It was basically played in the daytime, not at night and I do not remember teams having layoffs between games like they do today, generally speaking.

  23. jeff

    November 10, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Great point Mike. 8 days between a game. PLEASE. Its hard to get into it. I really does sadden me because I was looking forward to watching sports with my son as he grows older. I just dont think it will matter. The NHL is a who cares sport. I realize some people enjoy it. Its tough to watch on tv. The NFL with all the new rules is becoming horrible to watch. The NBA has to be the biggest joke. Just turn on the last 30 seconds. The players are ball hogs. There is no more skilled players. Baseball salaries have gone through the roof. I do not blame the players for taking the money. The owners are stupid. My father says it best. Why would he go to a game, spend 300 bucks for the night to watch millionaires throw a ball around. My next door neighbor son plays little league. I got some much enjoyment. When the game was innocent. The faces of those kids says it all.

  24. jeff

    November 10, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    also cliff lees wife was treated horrible in NY. Money will make her forget quickly. Lee is a very good pitcher but not worth the money they are talking about. Sandy, Ryan, Carlton, Gibson, Maddox, Smoltz, etc..They are way ahead of Lee.

  25. psujoe

    November 10, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Some tidbits from mlbtraderumors.com.

    •A Phillies source summed up the chances of Jayson Werth returning to Philadelphia concisely: “No chance. None. Zero.
    •”The Phillies are working aggressively to re-sign Jose Contreras, according to Stark.
    •GM Ruben Amaro Jr. told Stark that he has been working the phones this week. “We’ve made contact with 40 free agents, predominantly bullpen guys.” He said. “Left-handed relief is a priority for us.”

  26. Matt Kwasiborski

    November 10, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Not sure if it because the Phillies brought baseball back to me, but I think MLB has done a very creative job in being able to market their sport that has been surpassed by football and basketball. Football and basketball are both intense, fast moving sports that correlates well with todays “instant gratification” society we live in. I think baseball did a fantastic job resurrecting itself from the strike of 1994 and is quickly moving on from the steroid issue now that they have some real rules in place.

    While the NFL is king today, if they have a lockout, they will suffer big time. And that lockout doesn’t have to be that long. The economy in the US is in way worse condition that the fans will not immediately accept back millionaire players that are governed by billionaire owners. The NHL is much better post lockout but they chose to be shown on a regional cable network VS compared to the sports networking demi-god ESPN. Say what you want about ESPN but when you are a sport coming back after a YEAR LONG lockout, you need ESPN until some better competition comes along. But the NHL could have easily surpassed the NBA if they came back on ESPN.

    Phils need to either sign Werth, or improve their bullpen a whole lot, or trade for a younger superstar (McCutchen, Greinke, etc). I would like to trade Ibanez, but that ain’t happening, so start with a package of Victorino, and go from there.

  27. Bruce

    November 10, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    I’m reading some of these emotional rants and drivel that are posted here and not one worthwhile comment on Pat Gallen’s topic concerning Juan Samuel and Ryne Sandberg.

    I hope the Phillies are serious about offering a coaching position (1st base) to Samuel. He would make an excellent choice. I believe he holds the team record for a player with most stolen bases in a season (70?). Also former all-star Sandberg has made his mark managing in the minors with the Cubs organization and would certainly be a great choice to manage the Phillies Triple A farm team. When it’s time for Manuel to step down, Sandberg could be the top candidate to take over as manager.

  28. jeff

    November 10, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    who really cares about a first base coach. its a nothing coaching spot. the players can decide when to run. third base coach is way more important to send runners. runners dont need to know to stretch hits into doubles.

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