Even With a Spending Spree, Phils Still Ain't Yanks – Phillies Nation

Even With a Spending Spree, Phils Still Ain't Yanks

From an outsiders perspective it would seem as though the Phillies are slowly morphing into something different. That something different would be the Yankees, a team that likes to throw its weight around using American dollars. As the new powerhouse of the National League, the Phillies are resembling the rivals to the northeast. But let’s not get carried away – anyone who thinks the Phils are even within an arms length of the Yankees are sorely mistaken.

First off, the Phillies have built this brick by brick – they’ve used solid scouting and a stocked farm system to accomplish their goal of a World Championship while becoming a threat to win more every year. By extending their talent to long-term contracts at the right time, they’ve been able to keep a relatively modest payroll all the while.

The list of Phillies that were brought up – and not bought up – are as follows: Utley, Howard, Rollins, Ruiz, Madson, Hamels, Kendrick. Each have had their hand in the reformation of the Phillies as a legitimate contender year after year.

On the other side, the Yankees have attempted to buy their way into World Championships, and who can blame them? It’s a system that works in their favor – they should be allowed to spend all the money they want. Major League Baseball is built on a structure of revenue sharing, meaning the top teams filter down big money to the teams that don’t make as much. The Yankees are an exceptional franchise and that has benefitted the pockets of many lesser teams and their owners. So spending over $200 million every season is fine.

Just don’t say the Phillies do business the same way because they were able to land Cliff Lee.

Lee, like Roy Halladay and, to an extent, Roy Oswalt before him, took less money to play in a place he knew was a baseball hotbed. Halladay chose to take a shorter term deal and Oswalt re-worked some conditions in his contract to win here. Lee, apparently, has done the same. Instead of settling for a six-year deal worth a reported $137 million with a seventh-year option, Lee felt a connection with Philadelphia and will take a reported $120 million over five years with a sixth-year option. Not chump change by any means, but still a large sum left on the proverbial table.

Add up the numbers and you’ll see that the Phillies wrangled Cliff Lee AND Roy Halladay for roughly $180 million. The Yankees paid CC Sabathia by himself $161 million. Two is better than one.

New York, while able to entice him with riches and the thought of playing in the biggest market, could not offer Cliff Lee peace of mind. Texas fell short as well in courting the prized piece of the free agent market. As an aside, it’s pretty hilarious to see how up in arms Yankees fans are about losing Lee. Over the past 36 hours, there’s been a lot of “we didn’t want him anyway” talk. Sore losers, indeed.

So before you listen to the outsiders rip the Phillies for being like the evil empire – a team that overpays for talented players as often as person brushes their teeth – realize this club has put itself in this position by making noble maneuvers.



  1. Brooks

    December 15, 2010 at 11:46 am

    The Phils would not be the early season favorites if not for the purchase of Lee, Oswalt and Halladay. All the other talent you mentioned is home grown. The key to our offense and a stupendous pitcher have their roots in Philadelphia baseball.

    Plus, the 3 forementioned MOVED THEMSELVES into a position to play here for the Phils. They wanted to play for this team. That is what distinguishes this team from the Yanks. “Phils Still Ain’t Yanks” almost sounds wanton.

  2. Bart Shart

    December 15, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Excellent points made by Mr. Gallen. I hope we never become the Yankees but I do hope we become the team of the century. The Phillies are positioned very, very well. Just a couple of pieces remain. The Lee signing was in itself a huge compliment to this team and the city and especially the passion of the fans. When I started rooting for the Phils in the early 1960’s, I never, never thought Philly would become a baseball hotbed. It is a great term and a great time to use it to describe the Phillies Nation.

  3. Bebin

    December 15, 2010 at 11:53 am

    When the Yankees were dominant in the 90’s they did have a core group that they brought up through their system and then built around these core group of players with the right FA acquisitions and trades (among the trades my favorite player of all time for personal reasons paul o’neil)…But in The new Millenium they have turned to buying championships and shipping off prized prospects…And have gotten no where except for 09.

    Lets Just Hope that Reuben keeps on doing what made us great…a good core group of players brought through the system with the right FA and trade pieces. Got this from quote from BB America (a scout last summer: “No team has more talent in A-ball than the Phillies.”)…So lets say that those prospects will be ready in 3-4 years that is basically the window we have for this team to make a run at a few championships in my opinion…I hope thats what the FO is thinking anyways

  4. Chuck

    December 15, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Pat, do you know if the Phillies have any plans to talk to Halladay or have talked to him about his contract?? Jayson Stark mentioned that yesterday, that the Phillies MAY want to address that issue, whether it’s throwing him a few more dollars or looking at the length of the deal. It’s amazing how far the team has come in one short year with their sort of “unwritten policy” of not offering pitchers more than 3 years.

  5. bfo_33

    December 15, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    The Phils are the Yanks of the national league, but more like the late 90’s version (home grown core, augmented with external good fits, high payroll, but mostly spent wisely). The Phils have done an excellent job of taking all factors into account before writing checks. Even when it didn’t quite work as expected, it was well thought out. The Yanks of the last 10 years appear to fall in love with a certain performance or stat, and back up the Brinks truck before considering locker room dynamics,… They are a fantasy collection of stats, the Phils are a team.

    Blogs would still be full of Werth hate mail if not for the Lee signing. We have our share of sore losers, but at least we don’t feel entitled to get every guy we want/win the world series every year.

  6. Greg

    December 15, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Chuck, as far as I’ve heard, when asked about Lee’s contract, all Halladay replied with was, “I’m very pleased to be in Philadelphia.”

  7. Chuck

    December 15, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    I know, but Stark made a point about this…almost as if to suggest that the Phillies might want to address it at some point.

  8. Chuck

    December 15, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    And Jayson Stark is one of the few journalists out there that I actually respect. If HE thinks it could be an issue then I am assuming that it’s something to at least think about.

  9. Malcolm

    December 15, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Critics of the Phillies must obviously forget four important factors:

    1) We were the first professional sports team to lose 10,000 games
    2) For years, we crawled around in the middle of the division, we didn’t make big free agent moves and we had some of our best players demand trades.
    3) Philadelphia is one of the few markets in Major League Baseball that continues to grow, as baseball has been in a decline for the past several years.
    4) Yes, the Phillies have turned into a big market team, and it’s time to take advantage of that. Most teams, unlike the Yankees, know how easy it is to be on top, and a few years later, be on the bottom. That’s baseball. The Phillies area a veteran team who are in “win-now” mode. That means Ruben Amaro needs to take bigger risks, and that is exactly what he has been doing.

  10. bfo_33

    December 15, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Stark is also one of the few national media guys I respect, but I think his comments are based entirely on suspicion (If Roy is the ace, shouldn’t he be paid that way?). Based upon every interview I’ve heard/read on Halladay, I don’t think he really cares about the stature of his contract, but is more interested in being on a playoff caliber team.

  11. RealMetsFan

    December 15, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    YOU DON’T SCARE US!!! with the best pitching staff in the history of baseball
    YOU DON’T SCARE US!!! with the best batting lineup in the national league
    YOU DON’T SCARE US!!! with the fact that you’re going to win the national league east for the next five years
    YOU DON’T SCARE US!!! because you have a GM who knows how to put a winning product on the field
    YOU DON’T SCARE US!!! because the Mets may beat you only 6 times this year
    and remember….YOU DON’T SCARE US!!!

    LETS GO METS!!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. John DeSentis

    December 15, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    What I love is how short sighted this article truly is. The funny thing about people who complain about the Yankees spending is that the 1990s Yankees that won all those championships from a team built it brick by brick as well. They didn’t have a $200 million dollar payroll.

    Of course, Yankee haters won’t acknowledge that, for it ruins their BS argument.

    Then as they achieved success they kept reinvesting and turning more revenue. Sound familiar? What do you think the Phillies will do in the years to come when they have to acquire new talent to stay competitive and keep fans coming to the park? I’ll take a bet with anyone that the payroll just keeps going up and up. And guess what? Nothing wrong with that. Phillies fans will know what it is like to have jealous fans of crap teams get mad at them for having ownership that wants to win. Kudos to Amaro for being the kind of GM who “gets it”.

    Remember this, sports is as much business and entertainment as it is a competitive venture. And since the dawn of time, business and entertainment have been solidified on ONE goal, putting asses in seats. The Yankees do this by putting a competitive team on the field. The Phillies will now do the same.

    Face it, you aren’t the scrappy underdogs anymore. That Rocky ship has sailed. You are now a juggernaut and you are going to love being a team stacked to win with an ownership that knows how to win. Welcome to the Dark Side.

    – A Fan of the Evil Empire.

  13. NickFromGermantown

    December 15, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    No offense, Pat, but I find this article not only needless, but sorely off the mark. It’s needless because it’s cliche and beaten worse than a dead horse (like the irony?). Its cliche-ness makes is boring and perpetuates this stupid Napolean complex that we don’t need. It’s off the mark because the Phillies should not be compared to the Yankees. The Phillies are like the Red Sox. Homegrown talent with the ability to spend, that’s how they did it and that’s how we are doing it. It’s not more complicated or needs to be discussed more than that. I’ll be honest that I skimmed this article after I got the gist of it. I don’t think “Red Sox” appeared once. Come on, man. We can do better than this.

  14. Bacardipr05

    December 15, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    We may be following in the footstpes of the Yanks but we have a long way to go. The Yanks will always try an buy I believe the Phils are just trying to win in the next 2 or 3 years while there core players are still in the prime. Then will later try an rebuild.

  15. Greg

    December 15, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Lol, Cliff Lee is great. http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/12/lee-to-kinsler-see-you-in-the-world-series.html

    For those who don’t want to click, Cliff Lee basically texted Ian Kinsler saying “Sorry for leaving, but I’ll see you in the World Series.” He’s pretty confident lol.

    Roy Oswalt talked heavily about competing inter-team with Cole and Big Roy, I can’t imagine the competitions these four will have.

  16. NickFromGermantown

    December 15, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    By the way, I really wish I could read comments on my iPhone.

  17. Deitz

    December 15, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Phillies will actually pay roughly 190 million and possibly as much as 225million for both Halladay and Lee. If they were the Yanks, the Phils would have never essentially traded Lee for Halladay and probably would have signed Werth as well this year. I’ve seen 170 mill as Phils payroll be reported by Conlin, Zolecki and others, which is incorrect. The most their payroll is right now is about 155million and could be as low as 150million depending how Oswalt’s 11million form the ‘stros is allocated. As it stands now, the rest of roster would be made up of Francisco, Kendrick, Bastardo, Valdez and 2 more among Brown, Worley, Martinez ( rule 5 pickup) and spring training invitees. With those 6 roster spots, I can’t see totaling more than about 6million. they are trying to trade Blanton and I believe he will be traded whether they eat some of his salary or not. Barring another major move, their payroll will end up in the 150-155million range for this year. Lastly on Cliff, he might not have actually left that much money on the table. According to Heyman, Yanks offered 6-132 with player option for 16mill, total 148mill. Whose to say Lee would have picked up that player option. Maybe after 6 years, he is still pitching at a high level and could get a 1-2 year deal for money p/yr. What’s guaranteed in my eyes is 5-120 or 6-132, so he left 12mill on the table but one less year. 7 years from now, Lee actually could make more money by taking the Phillies deal rather than the Yanks.

  18. Pat Gallen

    December 15, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Nick, the Yankees were involved in the Lee dealings, not the Red Sox. That’s why. This was to debunk this new myth that the Phillies were becoming the Yankees. Glad you enjoyed it!

  19. Malcolm

    December 15, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    NickFromGermantown… This is a Phillies blog and it’s the offseason, a time filled with “what ifs” and “bs,” so what the heck do you expect? All winter long I hear conversations like this in bars or at work. The same conversational factors that everyone knows about can also be shared for common opinion. C’mon man, you can do better than that…

  20. Dr. Dave

    December 15, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    I am originally form Muncy, PA, just south of Williamsport. Have lived in WI since 1973. Went for an oil change this morning. -8 degrees! I was wearing my Phillies coat and cap. The guy who came in after me congratulated me on getting Cliff Lee and was adamant that we would be in the World Series. He was obviously a baseball fan and knew a lot about the Phils including the projected 5 man rotation.

    It was great to have a Brewers fan already pulling the plug on the season!

  21. Don M

    December 15, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Pat 1, Nick 0

  22. Don M

    December 15, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    remember when people thought the original Lee deal shouldn’t have included Marson and Jason Donald, because they were going to be studs ….. those were the days

  23. Geoff

    December 15, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Yes I remember that. This is why they are prospects. I’ll trade any prospect for the right major league player.

  24. Geoff

    December 15, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    I havent heard a peep out of either of them, nor Carrasco.

  25. Lefty

    December 15, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Good piece Pat, I’ll be “borrowing” some of it to verbally battle some coworkers who intimated the same thing to me already.

    For the next few years, we are in a window of opportunity where a signing like Lee was the right thing to do. It doesn’t make us like the Yankees, Red Sox or anyone else, it’s just judgement and timing. And right now I’m proud to root for a team that is smart enough to know that you strike while the irons are hot.

    As you know Pat, I was originally against this because I was under the false impression we had a self imposed hard cap. Obviously that is no longer true. So this move was a sensible wise move after all. I’m delighted to have Cliff back. But I see us being more prudent when/if that window closes. That makes us completely different than the Yankees.

  26. Chuck

    December 15, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Just like people were saying that the second Lee deal didn’t bring us enough and that Ruben sucks as a GM and an evaluator of talent. Oh, wait….they’re STILL saying that, aren’t they?

  27. Don M

    December 15, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    I still think Phillippe Aumount is going to be a stud…. he’s had some time now to get his mechanics figured out, hopefully he makes big strides this year.

    As a Phillies fan, without a ticket package, the only bitter thing is that it makes it impossible to get tickets now for anything close to face value…. My sister, uncle, a few friends all have packages, so I get to enough games..

    but to get two tickets, parking, food, drinks, etc.. its the better part of a $200-date with the wifey

  28. George

    December 15, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    I agree somewhat with NickFromGermantown that this article was pretty pointless. It’s not that it isn’t truthful, and it’s not that it isn’t well done, though. The reason why it seems pointless to me is that it’s basically preaching to the choir. We all know that the Phils are not the Yanks.

    Put this article on a Braves site, or a Nats site, or a Yanks site. Then maybe it would have some real purpose.

  29. Chuck

    December 15, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Yeah, I try to get to about 10 games a year. I’ve done real well the past few years without a ticket plan, StubHub for slightly above face, friends that have a few games to get rid of and even sometimes through the Phillies….even at the last minute. Even last season for Doc’s home debut on a Friday in April I was able to get….from the Phillies….seats in 114, Row2. Sometimes those early games are somewhat available. I may have to re-vaulate my selection of seats for this year, though, which is ok.

  30. Chuck

    December 15, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    I don’t think it was pointless at all. I don’t want Philadelphia to turn into NYC and Boston and ….as my last post and Don’s post about ticket availability illustrate…it could be a concern moving forward.

  31. FightinPhils

    December 15, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    remember a few years back when we could only bring in Adam Eaton in Freddy Garcia to shore up are rotation. We have come along way!! Can’t waitr till sprin training

  32. George

    December 15, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    I also agree somewhat with Don M. in his thinking about Aumont. He may turn out to be a stud.

    It’s also possible he doesn’t, but right now Aumont is a work in progress, just like any other minor leaguer, and calling him useless is premature.

  33. George

    December 15, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Chuck, maybe you didn’t get the premise of the article, which was that the Phils are NOT turning into the Yanks. If you disagree with that statement, you are one of very few, and you should say so more vehemently.

    Ticket availability and ticket PRICE are two different animals. Phils tickets are hard to get partly because they’re inexpensive enough for ordinary people to afford. I know the seats increased in cost this season, but that increase was pretty negligible.

  34. branderson

    December 15, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    not going to lie after the initial giddiness of re-acquiring lee I started to feel a lump in my stomach and a sour feeling of “turning into the yanks” late monday night

    i started to think what happened to the phils I grew up with 96-03, the ones I watched as a teen build steam through in-house player development 03-08

    i’m not pissed im just a little weird about this new feeling of throwing around a lot of dollars. just doesnt seem like the phillies organization I grew up loving.
    RAJ is fine with me and I love, love, love Cliff Lee. It’s just weird to voice my feelings haha

  35. Chuck

    December 15, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    I realize that, George. That the article states just that. BUT… the article wasn’t pointless because there are a lot of people that may feel that we are turning out that way. I think it was actually a good piece because it sort of sets the record straight for those that may feel otherwise.

    And tickets are hard to get because people want to go to the games…..because the team is good. We wouldn’t be selling out every game if we had a lousy team out there.

  36. betasigmashag

    December 15, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    About tickets I live in Vermont and get the Sunday Package and yes it is in section 417(which are great seats by the way even if not right on the field) and compared to New York and Boston, which pretty much is the fan base in VT, it is still cheaper for me to drive to Philly stay at my Mother’s house take the sub way from Fernrock and drive back Sunday night then to buy just tickets for either Red Sox or Spankees. And my package deal did not go up this year. Now I do not go to every game, but I refuse to sell the tickets for more then what I paid for them, granted most of the time they go to family and a few games are Christmas presents for my sister and Niece. But there were a few games non of us would could go to and I still sold them at face value. OK so that is $2 more then I actually pay. But I love the fact that I can afford that deal and go to playoff games and usually the home opener because I pay early. Also I got a great deal this year it only cost me $69. Granted I paid for playoff and WS tickets to games that weren’t played but that was a long time ago so I do not really count that. Stub hub is a joke and they really need to do something about the people that just buy tickets to sell them for 3 or 4 times face value that sucks

  37. Bart Shart

    December 15, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    The article was and is not pointless. The Phillies of today are not afraid to go after cream-of-the-crop prospects. We landed Halladay, we landed Lee (twice), we gambled and we have swagger. We got Oswalt when we needed him…..This is the way the Yankees were and are. With Halladay and Cliff Lee, we beat them at their own game. EXCEPT WE ARE NOT THE YANKEES. Players want to play here. Like New York, we are a hotbed of baseball. Pretty cool from my perspective. But we are not the YANKEES !!!! I remember when the Phillies were afraid to go after top free agent talent. Those were the lean years.

  38. Andrew from waldorf

    December 15, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Does the system really favor the Yankees?
    since 2001 they have the same amount of titles as the Giants and Diamondbacks and Marlins.
    Buing players is like making a deal wit the devil. It feels good but it doesnt always work out (see NY Mets or Chicago Cubs)
    You could make the arguement that doing things the easy way isnt a long term benefit.
    As players age letting other teams over pay for them isnt a bad thing. And trading a beloved player isnt a bad thing either if it makes the team better and helps the team long term.

    Branch Rickey said it best. “It is better to trade a player a year to early than a year to late”

  39. The Dipsy

    December 15, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Lee making 11m this year. Nice. That makes it a better deal for the Phils. We’re not and could never be the Yankees. Only the Yankees, and perhaps the Mets one day, could ever charge the $ that the yanks charge for everything Yankee to make that money back. The simple fact is that there is just not the sufficient volume of rich people anywhere else but N.Y.C to sustain a team that spends like the Yankees. And they have their own network. Life is good for the Yanks. They can make money in large part because of all the Wall Street firms, law firms, private enterprise and just plain rich people that inhabit the island of Manhattan. Not to worry Phils fans, they’re a whole different animal.

    The Dipsy

  40. Brooks

    December 15, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    I too have been a little confused about the direction the lead article was headed in. “The Phils Still Ain’t Yanks” – and then comparisons to the Red Sox?

    Bart repeated what has been mentioned here time and again and I think should be the focus of attention: These 3 pitchers put themselves in a position to play in Philadelphia – Oswalt, Lee & Halladay WANTED to come here. Aside from the signings, that is cool beyond belief!

    So, what is it about this team, this core of homegrown talent, the fans and manager that get no respect around the league that makes the cream of the crop want to play in Philadelphia? Nice topic I think.

    As far as tickets go, sigh – I had a FSP last year and I was sold 5 partial season plans to make the entire year package. I was freakin’ convinced, not just confident, convinced that there was no way if the Phils played average ball they would be in the WS for the 3rd consecutive year. How many games did they fail to score 3 or more runs?? I know, I know, they were either 2nd or 3rd overall in runs scored in the NL but, we know there was an awful draught in the mid summer that just was unprecidented. 1-2, 0-2, 0-1, 2-3 losses – the 16 inning crap game vs the sluggly Astros – puuuke!!!!! I decided (based on finances) to only go with 3 partial season plans this year. Hey, last year I even bought nearly every special the Phils offered so I could sell them to friends (6packs, etc) – I was toked for a season of greatness.

    Here we are, at the start of the 2011 season with the acknowledged best starting staff in all of baseball, perhaps historically so and what could stop us? Injuries, prolonged slumps – who knows but if they don’t hit, it wont be a shoe-in.

  41. Andrew from waldorf

    December 15, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    The Mets now have a serious real GM and a new Manager.
    they are no threat for the next few years because of the mess the last GM left. But they are the long term threat if they let knowledgable baseball people do thier thing. Remember the Yankees stunk for a long time till Steinbrenner got the suspension. The suspension that won them 4 world series.

  42. Nick

    December 15, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    i agree pat can you fix it so comments can be read from my phones mobile web?

  43. Ted Bell

    December 15, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Overall runs don’t really tell the story. Out of the 171 games they played last season (playoffs included), they scored three runs or less 79 times (46% of their games).

    I’m Ted Bell.

  44. Chuck

    December 15, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    I would be willing to be that that percentage will DECREASE this coming year….even without a RH power bat. Just an educated hunch.

  45. loupossehl

    December 15, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Here’s yet another point of view. In Today’s L.A. Times, under the heading, “Phillies can hardly hide their euphoria”:

    The Philadelphia Phillies 2011 World Series championship T-shirts are not yet on sale.

    Crush the New York Yankees in free agency, though, and you’re entitled to crow a little bit. Cliff Lee agreed to sign with the Phillies on Monday, and closer Brad Lidge was all but hawking World Series tickets Tuesday.

    When Cole Hamels is your No. 4 starter, behind Roy Halladay, Roy Oswalt and Lee, dream big.

    “I just keep thinking about how many wins we’re going to get in the regular season,” Lidge told mlb.com, “and how dominant those guys will be in the postseason.”

    The Lee signing officially certified the Phillies as the third economic superpower in the major leagues.

    No longer can the Dodgers and other National League clubs find comfort that their road to the World Series does not run through Yankee Stadium or Fenway Park …

    The Phillies Fab Four starting rotation could be paid $70 million next season, depending on the final structure of Lee’s contract. The San Diego Padres’ 25-man roster, no longer including Adrian Gonzalez, might receive half that. (Etc.)

    Which reminds me … “R2C2” is cute (one envisions a little robot friend for the Philly Phanatic), but why not go with a straightforward “4 Aces”? Imagine the possibilities: a series sweep would become a “Phillies Flush.” In which case the lead item might read, “Behind their 4 Aces, the Phillies completed another Phillies Flush last night, before another Full House … “

    I can’t help it; Steve Wynn and I went to the same high school.

  46. betasigmashag

    December 15, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Ted Bell you are usually a little out in left field for me, but 100% agree that total runs scored is crap. Just like wins for pitcher, you can lead the league runs scored and still have a losing record. Take a 10 game stretch and score 50-55 runs and still have games where you get shut out 2 and score 1 runs three times your record could be 5-5 and you have averaged over 5 runs a game. Just like wins for a pitcher, if you Cole and have a run of what was it like 6 or 7 games where he pitched 7+ innings giving up a run or less and did ;not get a single win

  47. Pat Gallen

    December 15, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Working on the comments for the phone, might take some time, sorry guys/girls. We’re also working on site changes, so theres a bit of a backup. I too, was having trouble on my iPhone.

  48. Bebin

    December 15, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    This team is cleverly put together in terms of players we have and structure of their salaries we are in no means the Yankees right now the phillies have 19 players under contract for 163.1 million and once we eat half of blanton’s contract and trade him away we save 5.5 mill this year as he gets 10.5 million this yr. Then the arbitration eligible players Valdez, Kendrick and Francisco will account for atleast 3 million. Once they are signed the philles will have 21 players (assuming blanton leaves) under contract for about 160.6 million.

    The last four spots can go up for open competition

    Between players like

    Dom Brown- (He has a chance of beginning in the minors again but here’s to hoping he makes the big leagues)

    Vance Worley (Who I really like I think he can give you a low 4 era and about 8-9 wins as a starter)

    Josh Barfield (Former #1 prospect of the Padres who had a very good rookie year then stunk it up..here’s hoping Chawly can perform a miracle and fix the hole in his swing) He can play 2nd and 3rd(although his fielding % is horrible at 3rd…think Greg Dobbs type fielding)

    Dan Meyer( former 1st rd pick, a former top prospect in the braves system and a player coveted by none other than mr.sabermetrics Billy Beane.. He’s been horrible would be a understatement but here’s to looking on the brightside and hoping we find a diamond in the rough..if not off to the minors with him)

    Scott Mathieson, Justin De Fratus and Michael Schwimer – I’m really betting on one of these guys to take Danny Baez’s spot on the roster Reuben said that we’re looking to address needs from within the organization and these guys are the best bets to contribute to the big league team

    So of the players mentioned I see Worley, Brown, Barfield and Matheison making the club

    The phils could also offer non-roster invites or incentive laden deals to
    guys like

    Pedro Martinez
    Jermaine Dye
    Andruw Jones
    Austin Kearns

    Anyways who give’s a eff WE GOT CLIFTON PHIFER LEE and thats all that matters right now…still elated about it

  49. Chuck

    December 15, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Site changes, Pat?? Are you planning to bring back the “Last 4 Comments” section?

  50. Ken

    December 15, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Although the Lee signing basically guarantees a Playoff spot this year and probably for the next 2 or 3 years, it will be up to management to continue to produce from within in order to sustain our success and become a dynasty like Atlanta was for so long. I do worry that as pitchers enter the mid 30 years they are prone to breaking down and could become long term negatives. As we know pitching is so frail, you just never know if one develops arm trouble.

    As for the Division, I do worry about Atlanta. They always run a smart ship. Florida is pesky and has some good young players. Washington is slowly up and coming. New York although impotent now could be scary in a few years with Sandy Alderson rebuilding that franchise. The moral of the story will be to enjoy 2011 because you just never know.

  51. Brian Michael

    December 16, 2010 at 12:51 am

    Chuck, bringing the “Last 4 Comments back” is just the beginning…

  52. Chuck

    December 16, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    I see that. WOW. What changes!!

  53. Dan E.

    December 17, 2010 at 4:40 am

    Yanks fans gonna talk, but let em talk.

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