2012 Spring Training

Clearwater Notes: Tomorrow’s Line-Up, Big Piece on Twitter

Hunter Pence will hit clean-up for the Phils tomorrow. (AP)


The following information comes from a variety of outlets, including our friends David Hale and Todd Zolecki.

The Phillies announced their line-up for tomorrow’s exhibition against Florida State University. It is as follows:

1. Jimmy Rollins, SS
2. Juan Pierre, DH
3. Shane Victorino, CF
4. Hunter Pence, RF
5. Ty Wigginton, 3B
6. Domonic Brown, LF
7. John Mayberry Jr., 1B
8. Michael Martinez, 2B
9. Tuffy Gosewisch, C

Of note: Mayberry will be at first with Wigginton at third; Zolecki says the absence of Polanco at third is part of Manuel’s plan to routinely rest Polanco and Chase Utley during the spring. Similarly, Gosewisch behind the dish is to reduce wear and tear on Ruiz and Schneider. Brown in left and Pierre at DH signal that the Phillies are interested in seeing what each left-handed outfielder can do.

I am curious to see if Victorino-Pence is the 3-4 order going forward; on a lot of levels, it makes sense with Rollins and Utley hitting 1-2 in Howard’s absence.

Both Hale and Zolecki noted that Jim Thome will receive at-least one at bat and Zolecki stated that Manuel will attempt to get every position player in the game. Hale relayed that Charlie Manuel sees Martinez as having the best shot to win the utility role.

In case you missed our recap from a few days ago, here is the announced pitching order for tomorrow’s game as well:

RHP Austin Hyatt (2 innings)
LHP Jacob Diekman
LHP Jeremy Horst
RHP Michael Schwimer
LHP Joe Savery
RHP JC Ramirez
RHP BJ Rosenberg
RHP Phillippe Aumont

Aumont will look to extract some revenge on FSU after a not-so-nice encounter in 2010.


Jim Salisbury reported that Ryan Howard will return to camp Wednesday, noting that the Phillies will not receive updated information about Howard until that time. Salisbury noted that Scott Sheridan, the Phillies head trainer, said the skin over the Achilles is notorious for not healing well.

Also of note: the Big Piece joined Twitter today and the entire greater-Philadelphia mediasphere nearly exploded. You can follow Howard at @RyanHoward.


Salisbury also reported today that Cliff Lee threw a “pain-free, incident-free batting practice session” and that his “early-camp abdominal issue is no longer a problem.” Great news.

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    • Ryne Duren

      February 29, 2012 at 11:56 am

      i agree jay! and george what’s wrong with eight tracks! lol the first time i heard an eight track i was in a friends 327 65 chevy ss in a ginos parking lot listening to led zepplin and the music stopped dead in the middle of the song to change tracks and i was like WTF! i’m showing my age guys sorry!

      • George

        February 29, 2012 at 1:21 pm

        Don’t worry about showing your age. Anyone who has memories of 8-tracks has shown his age, too. Anyone for 78 RPM records?

  2. Jay Floyd

    February 29, 2012 at 1:17 am

    I look forward to the day the Phillies quit acting like Michael Martinez is a big league player.

    • Chuck A.

      February 29, 2012 at 6:32 am

      Agreed! I know I may be sounding like a broken record but WTF (!!) do they REALLY see in this guy???

      • Lefty

        February 29, 2012 at 7:19 am

        Broken records are so- 46 years ago. It’s really time you stepped up to 8 track.

      • George

        February 29, 2012 at 10:28 am

        Yes, please update to an eight-track. They, too, will repeat the same track a billion times if left on their own, even if that same old track is about the 25th man who doesn’t much count one way or another. I well remember one a friend had in his car, and I particularly remember wanting to tear it out of his dashboard and making him eat it when it played the same tune for the zillionth time.

  3. Michael

    February 29, 2012 at 3:26 am

    Do you guys know anything about where the game against Florida State might be available to watch online or on TV? Know of a radio broadcast but that’s all I’ve found.

  4. Vandermille

    February 29, 2012 at 5:00 am

    Also curious- does FSU get to use metal bats in this game? I can’t imagine the Phils, obviously, getting to use them, but I also can’t (with all the concerns over metal bat “safety”, etc.) being alright with playing against a team using them.

  5. Manny

    February 29, 2012 at 10:22 am

    I don’t get it.. why can’t we offer a major league deal (minimum salary) to a guy like Renteria, who can play 2B and SS instead of Martinez…. if Jimmy or Chase go down for 15 days (likely), I don’t wanna see freaking Mini-Mart playing there on a day-to-day basis.

    • George

      February 29, 2012 at 10:31 am

      Renteria is toast. I’d rather have Mini. I also don’t think Renteria would settle for league minimum; most decrepit veterans don’t.

      • Manny

        February 29, 2012 at 10:41 am

        Can you please explain how a 35 year old player who was WS MVP a little over a year ago is toast and decrepit?

      • Manny

        February 29, 2012 at 10:53 am

        Even after a poor 2011 season, his wRC+ was 78, compared to Valdez’ 67 and Mini-Mart’s 49. He’s a considerable offensive improvement over what we had last year, and one would be foolish to not see that. And his defense is fine… he started every single WS game for the Giants in 2010 precisely because of his defense.

      • George

        February 29, 2012 at 6:44 pm

        Yes, I can. Just the fact that no one has signed him pretty much indicates the confidence he inspires among thirty ML teams. He himself has even talked about retirement. World series MVP only requires that a player be above average for one whole series, and the team he won it with wasn’t exactly an offensive juggernaut. And big deal, anyway; that was two years ago. And if you want him to fill in at second base, he’s played four whole games there. I’ve also heard that he’s turned down minor league offers, so he’s not going to sign cheap.

        If Mini doesn’t work out, the Phils have other options besides signing an aging vereran. There’s Pete Orr for one. And if a major injury happens, Amaro will probably opt for a mid-season trade.

  6. The Original Chuck P

    February 29, 2012 at 11:54 am

    I don’t think you have to jump on Renteria. There aren’t too many people inquiring about his services at this point and I’m not sure how many teams he is actually willing to play for. He made $2 million last year (not worth that). He hit .251 in a hitter friendly park and posted a -0.1 WAR over 96 games (mainly at SS)… I don’t see it. He won’t play in 96 games here and he won’t earn half of that $2 million. I’d rather go with Mini Mart who runs better and can play outfield as well as infield.

    • George

      February 29, 2012 at 6:46 pm

      I don’t think so, either. That might cause serious injury to him.

  7. Don M

    February 29, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    I think if Jimmy goes down – Galvis gets a chance ….
    if Utley goes down, – Pete Orr gets a chance ..

    Martinez will likely be on the roster for the simple fact that he can play pretty much any position on the field …… more than a “utility guy”, I would say he’s a “versatility guy”

    He’s basically the Emergency option at any position on the field – an insurance policy who likely/hopefully won’t be used that often. . . but I think he stole 26 bags one year in the minors – so there is some decent speed there, .. so pinch-running, last bat off the bench, and late-game/extra-innings double-switch player .

    There are multiple players that can play 1st …. and I think Wiggy is going to get almost every opportunity to play 2b or 3b, to get his bat into the lineup. Martinez is the 25th man, and as always – i find no use in ever caring who the 25th man on the roster is unless its someone that really hurts your team …. and with his versatility, I don’t believe Mini Mart HURTS us (Notice I didn’t say I think he’ll HELP us either.. but he’s a versatile “just-in-case”)

    • Manny

      February 29, 2012 at 2:52 pm

      Ty Wigginton and his 230 pounds (6ft) playing 2B? Doubt it.

      • George

        February 29, 2012 at 6:48 pm

        Even though he might weigh a lot, he has played second in the past. Just because a person is big doesn’t mean he can’t do the job.

  8. Don M

    February 29, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    this is supposedly the live radio for the game …. http://www.1270theteam.com/main.html?tw_p=twt

  9. Manny

    February 29, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    @Original: He rejected two offers, one of them from the Brewers, because they were minor league offers. I think that, at this point in this market, he can be had for even less than what we were gonna pay Valdez… and he’s a considerable upgrade all-around.

    @Don: if Jimmy goes down for a short amount of time, Galvis won’t play. If a really big injury happens, then yes. But to fill in for a 15-day DL stint, it’s highly doubtful that they’d make that move. I’d be fine with Pete Orr if Utley goes down, but if it’s a big injury (possible, again) we’re screwed.

    Plus, if we’re really planning on giving rest to Jimmy and Utley, say once a week for each one, that means you’ll be seeing Mini-Mart twice per week… that’s too big of a role for a guy like him.

  10. Don M

    February 29, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    you think if Rollins hits the DL this season they really stick Martinez there every day for 15-games instead of Galvis ?? … Galvis is said to have the better glove, and can’t hit any worse than Martinez – especially out of the 8-hole, where it wouldn’t matter much anyway

    I think you’d go with the glove and you see how the young kid handles his cup of coffee in the bigs

    • Manny

      February 29, 2012 at 3:50 pm

      Martinez would take Valdez’ place, right? If so, then yes, I’d expect them to go with Martinez every day. I’d love to see Galvis, but I don’t see that happening unless he’s smashing the ball in the minors.

      • Don M

        February 29, 2012 at 4:05 pm

        I think Martinez keeps his own place and Wigginton is the replacement for Valdez?? Hopefully we never find out who would replace a starter this year though

  11. Chuck A.

    February 29, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Everyone says that it really doesn’t matter who the 25th guy is on the roster but if you’re the 25th guy then you’re on the big league club….and your spot DOES MATTER. It’s not like you’re number 40 on a 40-man roster. And if Martinez is the 25th man and he plays 2 or 3 times a week (other than to pinch run, etc….I’m talking starts) then that roster spot is way more valuable and important than is being said.

    Hopefully it doesn’t come to that cause then we have bigger problems anyway.

  12. Don M

    February 29, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    “25th man” is like Tomas Perez … So Taguchi…. Eric Bruntlett …. etc … if any of them started 2-3 times per week we were in trouble ..

    usually the 25th man has a specific sklillset, … so maybe you consider Matt Stairs (power), or some teams want it to be a speed-guy tp pinch-run, etc … Martinez’ “value” comes in the fact that he can play just about any position, and especially the ones where you’d think you might need him (2b, SS, 3b)

    He is an on-roster/in-game insurance policy should one of your starters go down -who will hopefully play solid enough defense that he doesn’t cost you a game – and at $400k, he doesn’t cost you much money to fill that role …. if there was someone better, they’ll replace him – but at the cost, and for that role … they don’t want to spend $2-3 M on a veteran because they don’t have the payroll space … and they don’t want to use Galvis, etc. to impede any development. .

    If we still had Jason Donald – he would likely fill this role, but we don’t have him, we have Martinez – who again, if he becomes a serious issue, then it seems we have real problems

  13. Chuck A.

    February 29, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    So Taguchi fills that role to a tee. Eric Bruntlett played way too much for the 25th man…filling in for Rollins during one long DL stint if I remember correctly. I would hope that if Rollins or Utley went down for an extended time that they would look elsewhere other than MIniMart on an everyday basis.

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