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Domonic Brown Optioned to Minors Camp

Maybe it wasn’t a fair shake, maybe the injuries had something to do with it, but Dom Brown will move back to the minors, at least for now.

As the Phillies continue to make moves and cuts, their latest is optioning Domonic Brown to Minor League camp. It’s been an up and down Spring Training for Brown. Early, he was hit on the hand, injured his thumb while sliding, then lately dealt with some neck trouble. However, the team seems to know the direction they want to go with Brown. They want him to play everyday in Triple-A, regain the confidence that was lost following a bad ending to the 2011 season, and get back to being one of the best prospects in baseball.

This spring, Brown was 6-for-20 (.300) with two triples and a home run, and has struck out just one time. So the numbers looked good over a small sample size.

What we’ll need to see from him in Triple-A: more power, better defense, and the ability to hone that speed and use it for good on the basepaths. For those who think the Brown Era is already a flop? Patience.

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  1. Craig Daliessio

    March 23, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Man I want this kid to succeed. I love the FA’s we picked up but nothing feels as good as watching homegrown talent doing well. C’mon Dom!

    • Pat Gallen

      March 23, 2012 at 9:07 am

      Totally agree. Glad you still have a positive outlook with this. There is still plenty of time.

    • Ryne Duren

      March 23, 2012 at 11:08 am

      i agree with you guys craig and pat! if he can hone his defense he’ll be back in a flash! but unfortunately i have serious doubts about that! for some reason this talented kid IMHO doesn’t even acknowledge his defensive shortcomings. i haven’t once heard in any article or interview Dom acknowledge that! it’s almost as though he’s sending out vibes that he’s getting screwed. am i off target? or does anyone else get that.

      • Dave Lerch

        March 24, 2012 at 12:30 pm

        I agree with you and will take it one step further. He hasn’t demonstrated by his play that he is improving offensively or defensively. He isn’t getting screwed,he just doesn’t have what it takes to make himself better. In my opinion,he gets traded at the deadline. I believe the Phillies already know that he will never play up to expectations and are hopeful he puts up decent enough numbers in AAA in half a season to be attractive for other teams. I don’t think he has the baseball instincts or the desire to work on his skills. I don’t believe he is a major league baseball player now or ever. Package him in a trade and get some return on your wasted investment.

      • schmenkman

        March 24, 2012 at 1:04 pm

        He needs to work on his defense, but don’t lump hitting in there. At 23 last year he already hit as well as the average MLB left fielder. At 23, Utley was in his first yeatr of AAA, Pence was in AA, and Howard was in A+.

        Also, it’s just incredible how much you, Dave, can tell what’s in his head just by watching him from a distance. Just incredible.

    • TradeDomBrown

      March 23, 2012 at 1:04 pm

      He’ll do well as long as our home fans in LV don’t boo him again. He needs the fans support more than anyone on this team. I’m sure he feels like the fans don’t have his back anymore. Maybe we don’t? Guess my screen name doesn’t help, lol.

  2. Paul

    March 23, 2012 at 9:12 am

    What is the word on Montanez? I like that kid!

    • T Weiss

      March 23, 2012 at 9:30 am

      He has been solid, but ‘kid’?? Maybe that’s in relation to the rest of the team 😎 .. Lou is 31 YO and was drafted ahead of Chase Utley I believe. He’s had a nice spring though

  3. Chuck A.

    March 23, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Not sure how I feel about this. I was all for the plan of having him play regularly in AAA to get that confidence back (did he ever really have it??). But with Chase’s situation I wonder if they might need that lefty bat in the lineup…despite the atrocious defense. Hopefully, Pierre/Pods/Mayberry/Whoever can really step up.

  4. Chris

    March 23, 2012 at 10:18 am

    I was hoping they would go for the offense and say damn the defense with the questions surrounding Utley and Howard and let Brown play. I think if Brown didn’t get hurt and put up some more numbers he might have been able to impress enough to pull it off. Although I guess if they’re not ready to play him everyday yet that this is the best move. He needs to be playing everyday somewhere.

    • Ryne Duren

      March 23, 2012 at 11:16 am

      chris can you imagine the vitriole brown would get from the faithful if he cost us 2,3,4 games cause of his lousey defense? there would be no chance for him here! his mind would be ruined. they’d have to trade him. i would love to see him go to AAA and work on his “D” and then come back. a man with his athletisism should be able to grasp how to judge a fly ball, or square under it to catch it, use two hands so a ball if it does slip out can be retrieved befor it hits the ground. the other stuff like running the bases and even throwing to the right base can be learned up here, but he’s got to get a handle on catching a ball and positioning himself to throw or he aint never gonna be a ML baseball player

  5. George

    March 23, 2012 at 10:28 am

    This is the correct move. With all his injuries this spring, I doubt that Brown is 100% yet, and will need more playing time to get up to speed. He’ll be back soon, I’m sure, because the Phils will most likely need his bat.

  6. The Original Chuck P

    March 23, 2012 at 10:31 am

    This whole situation has been completely effing butchered… I can’t wrap my arms around all of this without being pissed off. He has been jerked around so much and the Phillies have no one to blame but themselves if he doesn’t pan out here. THIS was SUPPOSED to be his year. This was the year that they should have been prepping him for all along… and now they have been granted an opportunity to give him an extended look in left field (key word being EXTENDED meaning, give him the job… give him the job with no strings attached) and they choose not to. They choose John Mayberry… no, actually they choose Ty Wigginton AND John Mayberry. You wanna kill a kid’s confidence, tell him he’s not on par with Ty Wigginton and John Mayberry. I just wish that the Phillies would get it together with Dom. If you’ve somehow convinced yourself that John Mayberry is a sure thing, you’re punch drunk… I’m not saying he can’t produce but the odds are just as good that he doesn’t. That’s not really my gripe… I think Mayberry should start at first… it’s Wigginton that bothers me. If you think that Wigginton and his cumulative career WAR of 0.6 is a better option for this team than right now than Domonic Brown, you’re just flat out crazy. It seems pretty clear to me… Mayberry would be a plus defender at first base and Brown’s defense, while shaky, is still going to be adequate in left field. But offensively, Brown gives you a guy that can score a lot of ways (and scoring will likely be hard to come by for this team). WIgginton is a relatively short, right handed first baseman with a little pop (a defensive liability who can run into a home run). He’s a glorified punt.

  7. TheDipsy

    March 23, 2012 at 10:34 am

    It looks like the Podfather is gonna stick. Love that guy…until he gets hurt. My lineup:

    Mayberry (sprinkle in some Thome)

    Bench: Wigginton, Thome, Schneider, Pierre, Nix

    As I’ve said, in view of the injuries, Jimmy should pop down to 3. He’s a switch hitter and can protect Pence with Vic, also the switch, following him. I believe this is the moist logical lineup at this point. Not that logic plays a huge role in what Charlie Manuel does.

    The Dipsy

    • betasigmadeltashag

      March 23, 2012 at 10:44 pm

      Dipsy, I appreciate you enthusiasm batting the new guys at the top of the line up and though I might disagree slightly I see where you are coming from. But you must be smoking some good stuff if you think Charlie is batting JRoll anywhere but leadoff. They tried it last year and he did not produce.
      Not saying I 100% agree with this line up but can almost garuentee it will be pretty close

  8. The Original Chuck P

    March 23, 2012 at 10:49 am

    That was me venting… realistically, we all knew this would happen. It sounded like the Phillies were sort of holding Brown back from returning so that the argument couldn’t be made to keep him around (when asked about his neck the other day, Brown replied, “I’m good” even though he wasn’t listed on the lineup card). Brown’s a better player than Wigginton. He’s probably a better player than Mayberry (hope I’m wrong – hope they’re both great). This Spring sort of screwed his chances and there’s not much he can do about it at this point. I think he’s ready… I think the defensive woes will work themselves out. I just think that he needs to have an opportunity to work through the adjustment period without looking over his shoulder (and without a broken bone in his hand). He worked with Gary Sheffield in the offseason and Sheffield has given him high praise… that really excites me. It also sounds like Sheff understands that Brown has “mental” barriers that he hasn’t been able to overcome. He wants to do great… he believes he can… I don’t think he has figured out how to deal with failure (and what to do with criticism). I’m not sure if he’s someone that is inspired to prove people wrong… I think he’s inspired to prove people right. He does have the talent – the kid didn’t start focusing on baseball until late so it’s amazing that he’s where he’s at – he just needs to figure out how to be a major leaguer.

  9. Don M

    March 23, 2012 at 10:52 am

    Brown has only played 70 games above AA… less than 300 at bats (split over two seasons) … he’s only 24-years-old… and has been transitioned to the other side of the field RF – to- LF

    that might not seem like a huge defensive change, but its not easy to swtich sides when you’ve played one your whole baseball-life to that point. -which is why its so impressive when guys are standout defensive utility guys .. it’s not an easy thing to do.

    Let Dom get another 200-300 at bats, collect the equivalent of a full-season at AAA ….let him get into a rhythm defensively, and i’m sure we’ll see him at some point later this summer. …the longer they left him in MLB-camp, the more speculation there would be that he was going to make the team, and that wouldn’t be fair to him. . . playing everyday is the best way for him to develop and help the Phillies down the road

  10. Jeff

    March 23, 2012 at 10:55 am

    I pray for the day when Ruin Tommorrow Jr is fired. Yes, its very easy to have money to spend. I agree he has made some ok trades. I do think Brown should of been traded if they are not going to play him. His stock is gone. All those prospects he gave up by getting Lee then getting Doc. I love those guys. But then to let Lee go to only get him back with more prospects. Brown should not be in AAA anymore. Let this kid play or trade him. My god. The lies this team gives you. The way they handled Chase. How do you win with a broken down Chase, howard who is out. There is no power on this team. Pitching needs hitting. This will be a rough season.

  11. Ryan H

    March 23, 2012 at 10:57 am

    this is bull. horrible move by the phillies brass. I don’t care how bad he’s played or how much you think he needs to develop. this kid needs to be not only playing in the majors, but starting in left field. that’s what any organization that develops young talent would do. do you think the marlins would send him down? no. the braves? no. you gotta throw him in the water and let him decide to sink or swim.

    • Chris

      March 23, 2012 at 11:01 am

      The caveat to your argument here is the Marlins haven’t been championship contenders and the Braves are a system that hates spending any money at all and always take the developing route.

      • Ryne Duren

        March 23, 2012 at 11:29 am

        couldn’t have said it better chris! people tent to forget. it’s hard to stay on top so the game plan is different than getting to the top. if the phils for some reason are struggling for offense they’ll do something. people also like to complain about giving up prospects. i’ll trade a prospect every time for a chance at the show. people also forget that even though we haven’t been to the show since 09 and have traded some decent prospects their win total has increased every year since 07! that’s not a small feat. we’ll be okay it’s just gonna be a little painful. but i still think we’ll be there at the finish line.

      • EricL

        March 23, 2012 at 12:33 pm

        I guess that’s why teams like Boston, NYY, Detroit, Texas, Los Angeles, Atlanta, St. Louis and Tampa never introduce youth onto their everyday roster, seeing as they’re always in the hunt.

        Or, wait a minute….

  12. TheDipsy

    March 23, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Dominic Brown was brought up to early. Amaro’s mistake. Now you have to try and fix the mistake. Brown’s game is not there yet. Can he help the Phils with his offense? Probably. Will he screw up in the field and on the basepaths, too? Probably. This is not an ideal situation but I think it is better to send him down and let him put his game together than put him in LF and run the risk of having a disaster unfold. That type of thing can ruin young players, especially the ones with a specific type of psychological makeup. Dom Brown does not strike me as a “learn on the job” type of guy that can keep his confidence up as he learns the game in the majors. I guess thats why he is going down. Mistakes have been made with the kid but now we can only try and correct them.

    The Dipsy

  13. Mazinman

    March 23, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Not a surprising move as they pretty much said this was going to happen and what happened during Spring Training only reinforced the need for this. Like it or not this will be a team that wins with pitching and defense this year and if Brown cannot contribute to defense then he is not a necessity. We were forced to throw Galvis at second base but at least his defense is great.

    I have been one of the voices that has not been impressed with Brown but I honestly do want him to succeed. I want to see Brown do what Mayberry did last year. He learned from his AAA experience and when he was brought up the last time he made himself invaluable with his great play. If Brown can do that then that will be great for both him and the Phillies. If he does not then AAA is where he deserves to be.

  14. The Original Chuck P

    March 23, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Re: difficult transitions… not sure there’s any tougher transition than the dreaded “late season call-up” which is what they will once again ask him to do. He doesn’t do well in a short stint, the fans/media start clamoring and that is it. Right to left is certainly not easy (the ball spins/hooks differently) but left is the easier position to play at CBP. I have no doubt that he can play left field at CBP.

    Our offense is going to struggle with or without Dom – might as well let him get time at the major league level and adjust. Defensively, I’m not sure that we’re better off with Mayberry in left and Wigginton at first (than we would be with Mayberry at first and Dom in left).

  15. Chris

    March 23, 2012 at 11:30 am

    We’re really banking on Mayberry not regressing too much. I like Mayberry I’m just not sure the likelihood of that.

    • Ryan H

      March 23, 2012 at 1:38 pm

      he’ll never be anything special. last year was probably his peak performance. he’ll never be that productive on a consistent level.

      brown should be starting in a platoon situation with mayberry.

  16. Manny

    March 23, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Not surprising, but I think it’s the wrong move. They’ve jerked this guy around way too much and when there’s finally an opening in the outfield, and our 3 and 4 hitters are out, you’d think that’s the perfect opportunity for him to take the job for good… it must be somewhat demoralizing sending him to the minors so we can play guys like Nix out there. Sigh.

    • Lefty

      March 23, 2012 at 12:54 pm

      To me, that’s the key. Manny you hit it spot on. At what point will there ever be a more open opportunity of demand, for the club and for Dom, like there is now?

    • Ryan H

      March 23, 2012 at 1:39 pm

      brown didn’t play poorly with the phils last season. when he was sent down, he was hitting around .250 with 6 homers and some decent pop in his bat. that’s some damn fine production for a rookie. I don’t see why you don’t keep him in there. he’s going to give you more offense than any of the other options. I don’t think anybody can even debate that at this point

  17. Chuck A.

    March 23, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Well, I think then that Brown needs to just stay at Lehigh Valley for the whole year then. None of this June or July call-up BS…only to mess with his head. The caveat there is that if he’s absolutely freaking tearing the cover off the ball and our LF platoon thing with Pierre/Pods/Mayberry isn’t working…..THEN you make a move. But there’s a lot of ifs with all of that.

    • Mazinman

      March 23, 2012 at 11:58 am

      Keep him in the minors so it does not mess with his head? Seriously, if he is that mentally weak then I really don’t want him on the team.

  18. The Original Chuck P

    March 23, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Juan Pierre is going to make this team out of ST… I say that begrudgingly. Pods will probably be with this team when it matters (I think he’s the better role player) but they will get an extended look at both by breaking camp with Pierre as the starter (since they have the ability to move Pods to the minors without recourse – an option not available with Pierre). By doing that, they’ll get both players plenty of AB’s and by June, we’ll know what the best course of action is. Regardless, I still think Dom is the best option and I wish they’d give him the reigns but it’s spilled milk at this point.

  19. TheDipsy

    March 23, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Mazinman – Two options:

    1) Brown plays LF and becomes overwhelmed and sent to the minors; OR
    2) Brown starts in the minors, where he was told he was going to be all along, and is just pissed cuz he’s there, and works on his game.

    Which would you prefer?

    The Dipsy

    • EricL

      March 23, 2012 at 12:35 pm

      False dichotomy alert.

      I choose option 3. Brown stays in the majors and produces at a better clip than either Pierre or Podsednik.

    • Ryan H

      March 23, 2012 at 1:41 pm

      or how about: dom plays in left field and has a couple of huge game winning hits late in games and finds his groove and goes on to become rookie of the year in the NL. its not that unreasonable to think that could happen

    • schmenkman

      March 23, 2012 at 1:49 pm

      Ryan H, just fyi, he is no longer eligible to be rookie of the year.

    • Mazinman

      March 24, 2012 at 2:12 am

      It is no option for my Dipsy. I want him in the minors. I don’t care how good he is hitting in Spring Training, I want him to get his act together defensively before we give him left field. Domonic Brown had his chance to become a regular player for the Phillies last year and he blew it. Whatever mistakes the Phillies may or may not have made with the kid the point is that when he had his chance he did not deliver. As I said before, I want him to learn from that experience, go back to the minors and work on his defense while he continues to get at bat so when he comes up next time he grabs a position and does not let go.

      In one year Mayberry went from having to struggle his way to the opening day roster to having a spot assured. If he can do it then Brown should be able to do it too.

  20. TheDipsy

    March 23, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    I would prefer that too. Unlikely, so I don’t place it as an option. I don’t think, with the way the Phils have handled this so far, that you can stick him back out there and have him fail yet again and placed back in the minors. That could be the end of his Phillies career. He’s still a young kid and Pods”pierre is a pretty reasonable way to start in LF.

    The Dipsy

    P.S. Look up “dichotomy”.

  21. Chuck A.

    March 23, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    How is that a false dichotomy? It’s 2 clear options to choose from.

    • EricL

      March 23, 2012 at 2:23 pm

      A false dichotomy is when two options are given for consideration in an either-or proposition when there are other alternatives which should be considered.

      • George

        March 23, 2012 at 3:56 pm

        You could apply this “false dichotomy” definition to almost every stuation a person is likely to encounter. Even in a simple election, where there are no third party candidates, one still has the option of refusing to vote.

  22. TheDipsy

    March 23, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    I think the point he is trying to make is that Brown will grasp the LF spot and succeed. He feels that that possibility is likely enough that it should be considered as a real option, thus making my options not “mutually exclusive” and therefore, a “false dichotomy”. I guess.

    The Dipsy

  23. Chuck A.

    March 23, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    If the Phillies didn’t have viable options (Pierre, Pods) and were…oh, say….the KC Royals or some team like that then I could see why you would want Brown to start the year in left. Hell, if we were the Royals he would have played regularly 2 years ago. Would that have helped or hurt his development?? Who knows for sure.

    But this is the Phillies….a playoff contender and hopeful for the World Series. So use the legitimate options that are available and allow young Domonic to grow, learn and mature….and THEN he can more than help the team in the future.

    And again, if he’s flat-out raking in June and the guys we have here are sputtering….you re-think your strategy and maybe bring him up. But only if it’s for good.

    • Manny

      March 23, 2012 at 1:53 pm

      I think what Eric and others are saying is that Brown is better NOW than all the other options we have… and that’s why you need to let him play from Day 1. Sure he needs to grow, learn, and mature… but despite all that he’s still a better player all around than anybody else we throw in LF. He gives us a higher chance of winning.. which is what you’re talking about.

      • George

        March 23, 2012 at 3:53 pm

        Brown is probably not better at this point, and he’s also short on playing time given his ST injuries. He’d probably have a really rough time with ML pitching for a couple of weeks until he gets that playing time. While that may not seem long, it also might just be long enough to hurt his confidence at the plate. Better he face minor league scrubs for those two weeks. If he’s not being weighted down by trying to catch up with the pitchers, he can also concentrate more on his fielding.

  24. TheDipsy

    March 23, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Right on Chuck.

    The Dipsy

  25. Chuck A.

    March 23, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    See, Manny, I don’t necessarily think that Brown IS better RIGHT NOW than Pierre/Pods. Maybe down the road, maybe sooner than we think. But not now.

  26. Lefty

    March 23, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Who is this Peirre Pods guy everyone is talking about? Is he any good?

  27. TheDipsy

    March 23, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    He’s a French guy who makes mini storage facilities.

    The Dipsy

  28. Lefty

    March 23, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Rotochamps’ projected “heart of the order” opening day lineups in the NL East-


    Ike Davis




    That would look so much more competitive with Brown in it, but I alas, that’s just not happening. Even the Mets 3,4,5 looks competitive with ours.

    Schmenkman, or anyone else- do you have time to run the slugging %’s for fun? Gotta get back to work.

  29. Chuck A.

    March 23, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Pierre/Pods … here ya go:

    Ah, what would we all do without Google, huh?

  30. GM

    March 23, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Have you watched D-Brown field? It’s scary. He needs a lot of work out there. RAJ has said that we will win with pitching and fielding, and he’s right. Unless Brown is ready to hit .300 and knock in 100+ runs, we need someone that can take a good route to a fly ball, and not give away any runs. This isn’t the 2008 lineup where we could hit our way beyond bad fielders.

  31. The Original Chuck P

    March 23, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Someone made the point about us NOT being the Royals… true statement. At this point, we’re terrible at developing talent. Not that I’d trade positions with the Royals but when you have the type of pitching we’ve got, we’ve got the leeway to spend some time letting guys like Dom Brown develop at the major league level. I just think that this is an opportunity to right all the wrongs that the Phillies have made with regards to Dom but they’re hell bent on jerking this kid around.

    • George

      March 23, 2012 at 3:59 pm

      How can stating months ago that he would open the year in AAA then sending him there possibly be “jerking this kid around?” I’m sure if the general public heard that, Dom Brown did, too.

    • Chris

      March 23, 2012 at 4:55 pm

      Phillies are definitely not terrible at developing talent. Hell for a team that spends so much less than everyone else in the draft they do a pretty good job of getting talent and developing it at least to a point where the other teams see the benefit in making trades to acquire that talent.

  32. Ted Bell

    March 23, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    There’s a chance that neither Podsedik or Pierre are on the opening day roster.–.html

    I’m Ted Bell.

  33. Chuck A.

    March 23, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    OCP… I think that the “wrongs” only continue if we just put him out there before he’s truly ready. Like Don said above….Brown has had what?? less than 300 ABs above AA?? Why rush him if we don’t absolutely have to. And I think the Phillies recognize this too…that they have messed with the kid too much the last 2 years and that they really want him to get his confidence back and to learn a new position.

  34. GM

    March 23, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Let the kid spend time in AAA. If you really want to crush him, lets bring him up, and then send him down in 30-60 days after a few blown plays in LF. If LF is a problem, as many people seem to think it will be, and DB is playing well in a few months, then think about bringing him up. Right now, he needs to go learn to catch a fly ball, and continue the strong spring at the plate.

    The division is stronger this year, and if you want to see October baseball (beyond the series in DC), we can’t sacrifice games while Brown is learning how to field. It’s been pretty clear since the day after the NLDS that RAJ intended for Brown to go to Lehigh Valley, no surprise to me, or even Dom. He may be disappointed, but the team doesn’t have the luxury of letting him learn on the job.

  35. betasigmadeltashag

    March 23, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    One other thing to consider, isn’t it better to tell Dom, you going to start in AAA this year you need to show you can play better defense and hustle and play hard everyday and then send him down. Then you change your mind at this point and put him in LF while Ryan is hurt. And say he is playing ok, but JMJ gets off to a smoking start at the plate, Howard comes back and now you need to find a spot for JMJ you start taking time away from Dom or gets sent down again after not playing really bad, what is worse for a young kids psycie, I was in the show showed I could play LF now I get screwed again. Or they told me all along I was going to work on my game in AAA this year and that is where I am. And why do some of you t hink JMJ is going to regress that much, he went down to AAA took direction changes his stance and swing and now can get to the inside pitch better and was a extra base hitting machine (especially against lefties) I know he is 29 or what ever but why are you saying the same things he could possible give you 25 HR 100 rbis and hit 260 and play above defense in RF LF CF and first base.

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