Phils Waste Doc’s Solid Effort, Lose 5-1 at Home – Phillies Nation

Phils Waste Doc’s Solid Effort, Lose 5-1 at Home

Halladay looked great early but received no help from the Phils' offense. Photo: AP

Roy Halladay had electric stuff early but was done in by a combination of base hits and walks, surrendering 3 ER in 7 IP on 2 BB, 6 hits, and 5 Ks. Michael Schwimer looked effective before Hunter Pence misplayed a sinking liner to right leading to two in the 9th and a 5-1 Phillies loss.

Not delivering with RISP: The Phillies went 0-6 with runners in scoring position, most notably in the first inning when back-to-back singles led to first and third no outs led to no runs.

Middle of the order does not deliver: Jimmy Rollins’ struggles continue, as he, Pence, and Victorino combined to go 0-12 from the 3-4-5 spots. Teams won’t win many games with 0-12s from the heart of their line-ups.

8 hits, 0 walks: Most important part of playing small ball? Getting on base. The Phillies did not walk tonight and it certainly limited their opportunities to score. Of those 8 hits, only Carlos Ruiz’s 2nd inning ground-rule double and Ty Wigginton’s 7th inning home run went for extra bases and only Wigginton and Juan Pierre in the first reached third base or further.

Polanco finding his swing?: Placido Polanco went 2-4 tonight with two singles. Is he getting his stroke back? Tough to tell. His first inning hit was more of the pre-2011 Polanco we’re used to seeing while his 8th inning base hit was a bit of a lucky bleeder. He’ll need to start hitting some more line drives before we’ll know for sure but he is making better contact.

The Phils look to bounce back tomorrow with Joe Blanton on the hill facing the Cubs Randy Wells at 7:05 at Citizen’s Bank Park and on the Comcast Network.

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    April 27, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Philadelphia Phillies = OFFENSIVE IMPOTENENCE

  2. wbramh

    April 27, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    After the Pirates, the Phils have the second lowest number of walks in all of baseball.
    Of all the offensive stats, that’s the most telling figure that pops out right now.

  3. Jack A

    April 27, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Im really starting to dislike this team and I’m not watching them nearly as much anymore. They’re just no fun

    • Andrew from Waldorf

      April 27, 2012 at 10:40 pm

      I watch every game and pay to do so. But I am a troll.

      But it is hideous.

      And I was predicting sell out streak to end by all star 2013
      Maybe much much sooner.

    • Ryne Duren

      April 27, 2012 at 10:48 pm

      i don’t dislike them! but man! they are hard to watch. and i agree they’re no fun! i find myself b.tchin at every lame swing, or pop up! then as soon as they’re down by 2 or 3 runs you just know they don’t have the ability to come back! yea they scored some runs in ariz. but even really bad teams can win. hell the pirates win 60 or 70 games mostly every year so i’m not convince the o is back!

      • c schreiber

        April 28, 2012 at 8:47 pm

        Its not back and won’t even be much better when & if the “piece” and Chase return. I’m like Andrew from W. I pay for the right to see them also (I’m in Va), but have loved them since 1952 and this could be the most disappointed team since 64.

  4. Andrew from Waldorf

    April 27, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    When the manager openly discourages walks its an issue.

    These bad habits that the entire team has. Including the injured ones are a symptom of years of this.

    It worked when you had the best line up in baseball ( or were stealing signs).
    It doesnt work at all for this group and it hasnt worked in years.

    Riding the backs of the starters to 102 wins last year masked alot.

    But the truth is what happened in the playoffs was expected by me.
    So far this year It is exactly what I expected.

    Need a general manager and a manager to understand exactly what the 2012 Phillies are.
    I gave up on trying to explain to the fans what they are.
    But they are fans. Its not thier job.

    RAJ should go before Charlie. But unfortunately Charlie will probably go first.
    Both need to go though.

  5. Dickie Thong

    April 27, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Of those 8 hits, only Ty Wigginton’s 7th inning home run went for extra bases

    Actually, Chooch had a double.

  6. DavidE

    April 28, 2012 at 12:20 am

    Hunter Pence had another really bad game. His bad judgement in the field cost the team a run in the ninth inning. All he has to do is stay in front of the ball and its first and second, possibly 1st and 3rd. Instead with 2 outs, he tries to make the diving catch and it goes all the way to the wall. It didn’t cost the team the game but you can’t have those kind of stupid plays.

    • EricL

      April 28, 2012 at 12:55 am

      Funny, just a little over a month ago commenters were predicting an MVP-type season from Pence. lol @ them.

      I also like that we can’t possibly have kept Domonic Brown in the majors because his fielding was bad, yet they replace him with a guy who does the exact same thing! lol again.

      • Lefty

        April 28, 2012 at 7:29 am

        Really? I can’t remember any commenters predicting an MVP season from Pence. I remember many saying we would NEED an MVP season from Pence to make up for the holes in the lineup.

        Every prediction I read pre-season had him stepping back some from his numbers last season. So yeah I was hoping he’d beat the odds, he’s a member of the team I root for.

        The commenters here, myself included, almost unanimously wanted Brown to stay with the major league club. It was very disappointing when they made that decision. Unfortunately right now, he’s not exactly tearing the cover off the ball at LV. He has almost the same terrible OPS (.699, 700) as Pence, except it’s against AAA pitching. Until he wows them, I doubt they’ll bring him up unless someone is injured.

        So I’m not sure what are you “lol” ing at. Is there something about the mistakes the organization makes that brings you happiness? No other fans that I know are happy right now. Help me out here Eric, I’m puzzled.

      • Jeff Dowder

        April 28, 2012 at 8:37 am

        Brown just had one of his adventurous games in the outfield a few days ago. There doesn’t seem to be much progression in his defensive play.

  7. Tom

    April 28, 2012 at 1:04 am

    I’m really at a loss! Losing at home to the lowly Cubs with Doc on the mound…WTF?? Rollins is a sure out and Cholly keeps batting him 3rd…Wake up Cholly!!!! Being fair to the organization, if any team in the league were to lose their #3 & #4 hitters, it would be a disaster!! It’s still April, so all is not lost yet, but the big bats need to get healthy and get back ASAP!!

  8. bacardipr05

    April 28, 2012 at 1:24 am

    Tom i agree however i think this is going beyond Utley and Howard not been present. Andrew has some points. The hitters on this team have had “bad habits” for many years. The problem was always there is just been magnified in many different ways. First these habits that have been talked about are getting worse. Secondly it was covered up some by the long ball. It seems every year this gets worse with them. I didnt watch this game and i have been watching them less this year. Even with out Chase and Howard i thought they would score some runs. On a team with Pence, Shane, Rollins, and Polanco. I thought they could at least get something done. I was a detractor of Ibanez, but i would like to think if he was here he would of got some of these runs in.

  9. TheDipsy

    April 28, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Once again, I understand, and join in, the disappointment that a lot of people feel. But I am baffled by the sense of wonderment that some people have about why the team isn’t playing better. If you go down the lineup, player by player, you will understand that it is full of bad offensive players. No power and no OBP. Just guys that hit singles. Evil Jimmy has shown up.

    Further, there is nothing that the GM can do about it. Charlie is an armchair manager. His job is to make the guys feel loose and happy so that they can go out and hit three run homers. As you’ve noticed, there is not enough looseness and happiness in the world that is gonna make this group hit homers.

    We really do have a mess on our hands.

    The Dipsy

    • Ryne Duren

      April 28, 2012 at 9:39 am

      yea dipsy i agree we do have a mess! and from what i can see so far it’s gonna be this way unless they make changes. by they, i mean management. and how they’re gonna do it is a really tough one. unless they unload a starter and some prospects to get a bat, who’s gonna give up a big bat right now! and do i want them to rape the system of prospects again for a
      (bat!) no! that’s my answer! we have two bats coming back hopefully. and they’re both ( even not at full strength) better than what you’d get in a trade. so they’re pretty much locked in to what they have. right now they’re committed to this team.pitching wise we have lots of options for help in the minors if needed. personally, if they’re out of it by june, and by out of it i mean at least ,10-12 games which i can’t see them making up hitting the way they are now. i would sign hamels , trade vic, and posibly doc or lee for a few ready now prospects, and maybe a so called “bat” and call up some of our not ever ready minor leaguers to see what some can do . jiwan james should be given a shot over the brown project. retool and go for it next year.

      • c schreiber

        April 28, 2012 at 8:56 pm

        Pretty much agree, however I think they’ll be 10 -12 games back sooner than June.

  10. upandaway

    April 28, 2012 at 9:11 am

    I was warning about Pence’s bad defense before the trade. He’s AWFUL in RF.
    Andrew, your condescending tone and claims that you knew the Phillies would lose last year are annoying and ridiculous. Any good fan knows the playoffs are a crapshoot. Last year’s team had an offense that was on fire going into the playoffs. Your claims are laughable.

  11. Lefty

    April 28, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Hey Dipsy, The Angels released Bobby Abreu, would you take him back? I think he has to get through waivers, not sure.

    He’s not what he used to be, but he has some pop, and he knows how to take a stinkin’ walk!

    • Ryne Duren

      April 28, 2012 at 9:57 am

      lefty leave bobby alone ! yea he can take a walk. right now that’s all he can do and can keep on walkin! lol

      • Lefty

        April 28, 2012 at 10:07 am

        You crack me up Ryne.

      • Ryne Duren

        April 28, 2012 at 10:12 am

        hey lefty sometimes i think i am cracked up!lol wathing these guys makes me want to pull my hair out! ( if i had some i would but oh well)

  12. Ryne Duren

    April 28, 2012 at 9:54 am

    my number one priority for this team is dump g. gross and charlie! promote sandberg and get schmitty as a hitting coach. like i said earlier if they have to make changes then do it! and find a neww home for j-bag. he’s proven to me that he’s got his paycheck and he’s strollin! i’ve had it with these guys! the fan in me says let it play out it’ll come around. but my brain is telling me the window has slammed shut! all year our pitching is going to be wasted. doc has pitched well enough to be 5-0! so whats that tell ya? realistically if the best pitcher in baseball pitches like a five an O pitcher but is 3-2 what’s that say? if our hitters can’t hit a bum like ( fill in the blank) last night was cy maholm owner of the 8. + era.( watch what cy maholm does in his next start!) well if they can’t hit the bum pitchers then blow it up! trade these guys(pitchers) to someone who can give these guys a ring! they earned it hear but we aren’t gonna give it to them.

  13. TheDipsy

    April 28, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Would love Abreu back! That would be awesome. Hell, he can’t field either. He’d fit right in. He can still run, too. Go right in the three hole.

    The Dipsy

  14. LouA

    April 28, 2012 at 10:07 am

    all these things happening are not good in any way….Now they think with Ryan going to Clearwater for a month, as he states, things will get better…I doubt it. Howard is Howard and not going to be any different this year. He’s showed the same for past few years after WS. Not the answer, should have saved some of that pay for another bat or two……Sad…

  15. TheDipsy

    April 28, 2012 at 10:12 am

    I am starting to believe that Hunter Pence is not that good a fielder. He throws like a girl. He don’t come over the top and his ball tails. That play last night was ridiculous. He actually might be better in LF.

    Lets just play 50 games and then evaluate.

    The Dipsy

  16. brooks

    April 28, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Sooner or later Jimmy’s bat will come alive. I do have faith that Pence will realize he is not the savior of this team and perhaps relax at the plate. Now that it looks like Poly is starting to hit and Pierre does what he always has done (just get on base) when someone behind them hits we’ll be seeing some runs –
    On another note, both Blanton and KK usually come off terrible performances with something decent. So, I am expecting (OK, hoping) for a few wins starting tonight!

  17. new to the board

    April 28, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    I have never commented on here. I do agree this team is not fun to watch. They loaded this team up to win in a short time frame. The problem is they won one ring. They did not need the dream team pitching staff. We won with Cole by himself. The problem is Ryan Howard is declining in power numbers. Chase has the knee issues. Jimmy has declined so much that you cant watch him anymore. Pence is not a superstar and we are trying to make him be. He is a free swinging hitter thats swinging at junk right now. He does need Howard to help. Pence is not a very good fielder. i really think they need to shed some players. Sign Hamels and get rid of Doc, or Lee. They can bring in some postion players. They certainly did not need the closer for 50 million dollars. Hamels has been my guy and won a world series. He is young. Keep Vance because he is young. Hamels and Vance. There will be some power hitters out there. All these contracts are tied for years.

  18. Andrew from Waldorf

    April 28, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    I have been asked by PN to limit myself to one pst a day.
    So here it is.

    I heard all the rumblings about Pences fielding before he was dealt tot he Phillies.
    More so than his fielding I have an issue with him being another free swinger.
    He isnt a good fit for the line up.

    Dipsy nailed most of the issues perfectly.

    Abreau makes sense because he will take a walk. Heck Burrell coming back makes sense because he will take a walk. Bailing Dykstra out of prison to hit lead off makes sense. Because he can take a walk.

    Ive been harping on these issues for years. And sadly for all of us I was right. Wish I was wrong on numerous things. But for me it was all clear as day.
    And Howard and Utley are a big part of the problem not going to cure your problems.
    Have a nice day and good luck tonight vs Cy Wells.

  19. TheDipsy

    April 28, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Why only one post a day? I guess that means you can’t answer that question until tomorrow. That’s censorship. This isn’t Russia. This is isn’t Russia, is it?

    The DIpsy

  20. George

    April 28, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Abreu? His walk rate would never make up for his current poor batting average, lack of power, and horrid defense.

    There’s also his age. Most everyone, including Dipsy and Andrew, have clamored in the past for the team to “get younger.” Abreu certainly wouldn’t help the team’s average age.

    Talk about desperation!

  21. A.T.

    April 28, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Nobody old and washed up could help the Phillies now, they need some drastic changes, and possibly a new outlook on the game of baseball itself and a new attitude in the clubhouse; one that is fun and full of Philly pride. They need energy and inspiration. And check out the site:

    • schmenkman

      April 28, 2012 at 7:58 pm

      No. Not at all.

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