Is Mayberry Re-Opening Door for Dom Brown? – Phillies Nation

Is Mayberry Re-Opening Door for Dom Brown?


The Phillies offense is clearly struggling. As a team, the Phils are (out of 16 NL teams) 14th in runs, 16th in walk rate, 14th in OPS, and for you advanced metric fans, 14th in wOBA. They swing at pitches at a higher rate than all NL teams except the Pirates, and swing at pitches outside of the zone more than any other team. As evidenced by their 3rd-best strikeout rate, they can put the ball in play, but they can’t produce runs.

The one thing that stands out is the lack of power from John Mayberry Jr. Last year, his isolated power was .240, meaning that his slugging percentage was 240 points higher than his batting average. It was the highest on the team, and would’ve been top 10 in the NL had he qualified. Mayberry also ended the year with a .854 OPS, which was second on the Phillies only to Hunter Pence. He had a great year, and we all loved him for it, but so far this year he’s been sub-par.

Mayberry is hitting .189 with no walks and ten strikeouts. He has one extra-base hit.

His plate discipline is out of wack and his swing is long. Mayberry is popping up hittable pitches and at times his head is coming off the ball.

One wonders how much longer the Phillies can stick with Mayberry. Jayson Werth ran with the outfield vacancy he filled once upon a time. What is happening now is more similar to what Ben Francisco went through last season, except Francisco produced runs in April before he stopped hitting.

So with Mayberry struggling to find his stroke, could Ruben Amaro Jr. give Domonic Brown another shot? Brown is currently at Triple-A playing for the IronPigs, where he has a .623 OPS in 53 plate appearances. He has four extra-base hits in 53 plate appearances and has at drawn three walks.

The plan was to keep Brown at Triple-A for as long as possible this season to allow him to grow defensively and rebuild offensive confidence.

But the Phillies are almost at rock bottom in terms of offense, so a call-up could be possible even if Amaro is against it.

Adding Brown to the lineup wouldn’t be a miracle for the Phillies, but it would be a step in the right direction.If you’re not going to be getting much offensive production from the left fielder as it is, why not give that time to a player who could grow into a better offensive player than Mayberry?

It may be a little early, but these are the kinds of things you think about when your offense has scored 37 runs in 13 games.

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  1. Matt

    April 20, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Just saw Brown at a AAA game. He’s still not ready for the majors. Charlie needs to get JMJ back into LF on a more regular basis. His swing will come back around once that happens.

    • schmenkman

      April 20, 2012 at 10:38 am

      “He’s still not ready for the majors.”

      I find it hard to believe you can assess this with just one game, but what do you mean exactly?

      • Matt

        April 20, 2012 at 11:10 am

        It’s more then just one game. I live in the area and follow the Ironpigs. Brown does mostly DH work. His glove just isn’t there. His swing has improved but still swinging at horrible pitches. On top of that, he still looks awkward when he runs, like he’s going to trip over himself running to first base.

      • Gavin

        April 21, 2012 at 11:34 am

        Matt, I’m sorry to say, but 13 of Dom’s 14 games, he started in left field. So he could only have been DH once.
        He only made one error too, what is not too much either.

  2. Chris

    April 20, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Yeah the thing is the door may be opening for Brown but he’s shown very little at AAA so far this year. If him tearing it up is a precursor to him getting called up then he won’t be coming up for at least a few more weeks.

  3. RyanH

    April 20, 2012 at 10:31 am

    I said they needed brown to begin with. Never should of sent him down anyway. Mayberry is a AAAA playet and brown is a future star. Time for him to sonk or swim . He should not only be here. He should play everyday

    • Matt

      April 20, 2012 at 11:11 am

      Brown is far from a future star. Hate to burst your bubble. He’ll be an average everyday player at best.

      • The Original Chuck P

        April 20, 2012 at 2:30 pm

        I’m sorry, Matt but you’re not really bursting anyone’s bubble… I trust Baseball America, who had Dom as the 4th best prospect in all of baseball prior to 2011.

  4. Ryne Duren

    April 20, 2012 at 10:42 am

    browns not ready. he’s not the answer.mayberry needs to play first every day and pods needs to play left. i don’t know what pods is doing in the minors but can he be any worse than the production we’re getting? plus he’s way better defensively than peirre, and a better base stealer to boot. or play nix in left he looks uncomfortable at first and maybe he’ll do better hittingwise out there. i don’t know. at this point musical line ups and moving people around just seems unsettling to the players in my eyes. there doesn’t seem to be any stability in the line up.
    charlie should let the bench guys be the bench guys and fill in as needed to rest the guys playing the most and pinch hit. he doesn’t seem to have a clue as how to manage without pulverising power in the line up. the other answer could be in changing the manager! i know charlie is liked and i love the guy too but there comes a time when you have to adjust. all the parts of a successful team must fit and right now charlie seems out of place. sad to say.

    • schmenkman

      April 20, 2012 at 10:52 am

      – Why do you say Brown’s not ready?

      – Why do you say Pods is a better base stealer?
      BTW he has a .594 OPS in the minors, but 9 (or 13) games is too few to judge by; he would probably do no worse than Pierre, but I have no reason to think he would be signicantly better either

  5. Dave Lerch

    April 20, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Dom Brown can’t play baseball at the major league level. He has not demonstrated that he can. Here’s a rundown on Dom Brown: He can’t hit and he can’t field any position and to compound matters he doesn’t have baseball instincts. Where does that put him? We pray he performs at a better than average level in AAA and we can package him at the deadline to get what we need offensively. There has to be a Ed Wade type of GM out there that sees his potential. I think our GM knows better, but let’s keep that our secret until he is gone and we get what we need in return. In regard to Mayberry, leave him play everyday and he’ll turn out to be one of your most productive players offensively and defensively. Charlie needs to find a way to keep him in the lineup and give up on the Pierre experiment.

    • schmenkman

      April 20, 2012 at 11:13 am

      Dave — see reply on Brown below.

  6. Chris

    April 20, 2012 at 11:04 am

    I’m not understanding the Pierre hate going on and all the Pods love. Pierre outplayed Pods during spring training and Pierre is still playing pretty well. Sure he’s not walking much and doesn’t hit for much power but so far he’s provided us with a .350 OBP. What’s wrong with that? Obviously it’s a small sample size but take out Pierre over these first few games and the offense is even worse.

    • wbramh

      April 20, 2012 at 3:34 pm

      I agree. Pierre hits for average, has good speed and currently is the team’s best base-stealer.
      He should be an everyday player.

  7. branderson925

    April 20, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Keep Pierre in LF with some sense of regularity and JMJ at 1B. Let him get regular ABs because it’s not like we can score any less runs than we have over this opening stretch.

    Awesome game by Vance last night, I gotta say.


    • wbramh

      April 20, 2012 at 3:41 pm

      Pierre is the rare average hitter on this team and they can ill-afford to lose his bat, especially with Polanco still slumping. And yes, I’d play JMJ at first as much as possible. I think he’ll come around with the bat. In fact, I think he’s may have more to offer the team these days than Ryan Howard.

  8. schmenkman

    April 20, 2012 at 11:11 am

    He needs to work on his fielding, but his hitting is right where it needs to be.
    Last year, at age 23, Brown already hit as well as the average major league left fielder:

    Avg MLB LF: .256/.320/.409 (.729 OPS, overall hitting stat wOBA at .320)
    Dom Brown : .245/.333/.391 (.724 OPS, wOBA at .322)

    These were the starting left-fielders who were about equal to Brown as hitters in 2011 (by wOBA):
    B. Gardner .330
    A. Soriano .325
    C. Ross .321
    David Murphy .319
    J. Bay .315
    R. Rayburn .314

    Followed by M. Brantley, J. Rivera, Ibanez, C.Crawford, Delmon Young, R.Ludwick, M.Prado, J.Pierre, V.Wells

    Again, he was only 23 and will no doubt continue to progress. At 23, Utley was in his first year in AAA, Pence was in AA, and Howard was in A+ in Clearwater.

    He also showed great plate discipline, which is very unusual for a young player. There were 24 players in the majors last year who were 23 or younger and had at least 200 plate appearances.

    Out of those 24, Brown ranked…

    2nd in BB/K ratio
    1st in BB% (walks as a % of plate appearances)

    One big reason why he already hit as well as the average MLB left fielder.

    Again, he needs to work on his fielding, but he’s athletic enough I see no reason he can’t be on par with Burrell or Ibanez (or Luzinski, going further back).

    • Keith

      April 20, 2012 at 11:30 am

      Thank you Schmenkman.

    • RedBurb

      April 20, 2012 at 11:33 am

      I want to give this 1000 thumbs up.

    • David

      April 20, 2012 at 9:12 pm

      Brown hasn’t exactly lit the minor leagues on fire. Based on his performance in 2012, I would keep Mayberry up here for a while. Some players take a while to get going. I remember Mayberry did much better after his 2nd callup than on his first stint with the Phillies last year.

      Casey Stengel once said of his 1962 Mets who lost 120 games: “Gentlemen, this was a team effort. Not one of you could have accomplished this solely on your own.” JRoll’ has only 1 extra-base hit and his OPS is only .579 and Polanco’s OPS is .432. Thome has an OPS of .237 in limited action. Freddy Galvis has shown some pop but his OPS is .590 and he has also shown a tendency to hit into DPs. Nix has an OPS of .590 which isn’t good either for a 1st baseman. Polanco’s performance is a carryover from his second-half performance last year so I am more concerned with his lack of hitting at this point than Mayberry’s failure to hit.

      At this point, I think that against left-handed pitching, Rollins should not hit in the 3 hole. Maybe at this point, Chooch or Pence should be the 3 and 4 hitters against LHPs.

  9. upandaway

    April 20, 2012 at 11:24 am

    First of all,.Pierre’s .350 obp comes with a .340 ba. Once his average falls to .290 (and it will), that obp drops to .300. He’s NOT good at the leadoff slot.
    I’ve said since last year (Eric D. Mock) and have posted THIS year, that Mayberry is a journeyman who had one good half-season. He has no upside, and is not a viable MLB regular.
    Brown, on the other hand, is a big-time talent who had a power-sapping injury last year, and has been screwed with more than any young player I’ve ever seen. Call the kid up, sit him down, say,”You are our left-fielder”. Even a platoon with a righty bat at first. But give him assurance, then GIVE HIM AT BATS! Given 450-500 AB, I think he grows into a very good player. He took more pitches per at bat than anyone on the team last year. That’s EXACTLY what we need right now.
    It’s time for Dom.

    • Chris

      April 20, 2012 at 11:29 am

      As a part time player Pierre isn’t all that bad. If it’s between Pierre or Pods right now I’m going with Pierre. That’s what my post is about.

      On the other hand I like Brown for the most part. I wanted him to be on the team to start the season. That didn’t happen and well the Phillies offense hasn’t been very good so far and neither has Brown. He will turn it around but I think it’s pretty obvious at least part of this is mental for him. So while it’d be nice to see him up he’s going to get eaten alive if he doesn’t produce even if it isn’t fair.

      • The Original Chuck P

        April 20, 2012 at 2:36 pm

        Pierre hasn’t been bad… he hasn’t been the problem… the problem has been the middle of the order but Pierre can’t help you down the order. You could plug Dom in anywhere… he gives you a little more flexibility and will be a threat to score different ways.

  10. betasigmadeltashag

    April 20, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Can we please not throw a guy out who had a pretty productive second half last year, yes there is more expected of him, and maybe he is trying to hard to hit the long ball but it has been 12 games, it has been two weeks, JMJ should play pretty consistaly in the field and maybe needs to stay at one position. They worked on his swing a little last year and it seemed to help maybe Charlie just needs to sit him down and say “Kid, we do not need you to carry this team we need you to be yourself and hit the ball hard on a line” JMJ knows there is not much power on this team right now and maybe even moving him down to 7th in the order may help. But I do not think you lose the ability over the winter to hit the ball, what he does not need is Dom error in the making Brown to be playing half the time. Did not Wednesday’s game prove anything if you are not going to score you need defense

  11. Manny

    April 20, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Random thought: Wouldn’t the Phillies be better off if we move Pence to LF and let Brown play RF? Brown has the arm and the skills to be an excellent RF and he’s definitely better there than in left. Plus, Pence played a considerable amount of games in LF in the minors. An outfield of Pence-Shane-Brown would be very good both offensively and defensively.

    • Chris

      April 20, 2012 at 11:31 am

      Brown really isn’t any good in RF either. He’s just not very good at any kind of defense at this point. You could argue that if he hits well it won’t matter. However he has to hit well and while I think he can be a good player there is a mental aspect to this thing that just goes beyond him possessing the necessary skills. He needs to get over whatever that is.

    • Don M

      April 20, 2012 at 11:50 am

      Arm-Strength is only one aspect of the OF …. usually, you can “hide” your worst defensive OF, in LEFT ……. among the biggest reasons, is there are less chances of a runner on 1st base attempting to run 1st-to-3rd on a ball hit to LF instead of RF (the shorter distance on the throw to 3rd saves the fact that Burrell, Ibanez, Brown might not take the greatest routes, or cover the most ground) …

      • Manny

        April 20, 2012 at 12:09 pm

        But I don’t recall Brown making really bad mistakes in RF… all his miscues have been in LF.

      • Don M

        April 20, 2012 at 2:34 pm

        Manny… I think the “highlight bloopers” have been when Brown is in LF, fly balls that hit his glove, and he didn’t squeeze .

        THAT didn’t happen in RF, when he was up in the majors . but there were multiple times that he took bad routes to balls (and unlike Victorino, didn’t “make the play anyway”) … and multiple times the he dove for balls he should’ve just let drop for a single … isntead, he dove for it, didn’t block it, and the “single” resulted in a man on 3rd for the opposition. . .

        I like Dom Brown, and he’s still young/raw that I think he’ll be a good player …. but he’s not very good defensively (again, aside from arm strength), so the best place to hide your worst OF – is usually LF …… I see no reason to try to transition Brown back to the more difficult position

  12. Don M

    April 20, 2012 at 11:30 am

    @Matt … “Brown does mostly DH work” ?. . . . I checked into that because I could not believe that they wouldn’t be playing him in the field almost every night – as he needs to work on defense to play at the MLB-level . . . .

    in 13 games this season … he’s DH’d once, and played Left Field 12 times … you sure you “follwo the Ironpigs” ??

  13. Chuck A.

    April 20, 2012 at 11:49 am

    So the obsession with Domonic Brown continues… Look, the plan was for Brown to get plenty of work at AAA to improve his game. Unless he’s absolutely tearing the cover off the ball.. CONSISTENTLY.. I see no reason for the Phillies to bring him up here only to let him fail once again. The fact that JMJ is struggling is concerning but making a premature move on what is maybe one of the organization’s future stars in Brown isn’t the answer.

    And whoever suggested that Pence play LF and Brown move back to RF…. that’s just not a good approach in my opinion. Pence was signed to play right, has played right for his MLB career….and switching Brown BACK to right after telling him that they are grooming him for left???…. yeah, let’s further mess with the kid’s head.

    • Don M

      April 20, 2012 at 11:56 am

      yesterday i was annoyed at the amount of “its the end of the world- Phillies fans” …. my thought being, with great pitching, and solid defense …. lets just try to win some games and hope that Utley/Howard come back strong (even if Howard doesn’t mash – just having him in the lineup makes it stronger overall) . .

      Today .. . . I feel like its common sense to wonder about Mayberry … a question mark coming into the season, and he’s looked OVERMATCHED ………of what I saw last night, he watched a called-3rd-strike right over the outer half of the plate ………… maybe that’s not “his pitch” , but with two strikes up there, you should be protecting, and just trying to hit the ball where its pitched … either poke it to RF, or foul it off …….. his long swing, is the cause of both his Swing-&-Miss .. and the pop-ups, as he’s dipping/reaching for everything. He should be focused on hitting the ball right back up the middle -or with two strikes, being a better defensive-hitter …….. anyway, the talk of Brown is okay by me … not yet, but once we hit 6-8 weeks into the season … if he represents a better option than what we’ve got on the 25-man-roster, there is every reason to consider bringing him up for good

    • Manny

      April 20, 2012 at 12:21 pm

      So what Chuck? A-rod played SS for his entire career… then moved to 3rd. Michael Young moved… Pence doesn’t have the weight those two have (career-wise) and I don’t see what’s the big deal if we move him there. Pence is average as a right-fielder… Brown is too, but with the potential and tools to be a plus-plus player there.

  14. Gus

    April 20, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Wow, I never knew so many professional scouts hung around the comments section of this blog.

  15. Chuck A.

    April 20, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Don,I would agree if at the 6-8 week mark….let’s say by June 1….if Brown is really finding his stroke and can play somewhat decent defense (I think that’s always gonna be a work in progress)….and Mayberry is still floundering mightily….then, yeah, by all means make a move.

    I would just hate for the Phillies to make a rash move RIGHT NOW and then further mess with Brown’s development. And I absolutely agree that Mayberry is a serious concern….especially when he’s being counted on to fill some of the void left by Howard and Utley not being in the lineup. Maybe that’s too much pressure for him?? But maybe it would be too much for Brown, too?

    • Manny

      April 20, 2012 at 12:13 pm

      I agree with you Chuck. I don’t want them to make a move NOW… gotta be a little patient with both JMJ in the majors and Brown in the minors before you give Brown the call-up. If things are looking grim by late May, we should definitely pull the trigger. I think Mayberry’s performance last year should give him more than a couple of weeks of time to “get it right.”

  16. betasigmadeltashag

    April 20, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    See Don you make sense, I am not the biggest Brown fan, I think he may be a tad over rated, and has not shown great baseball instincts outside his obvious athletic skills which are impressive. But let JMJ fail for more then two and half weeks, in two months if he has not gotten back a little of his pop that he showed last year, then maybe you take a look at an option. I am not a stat head, but I t hink JMJ hit pretty well as a PH last year, so I t hink he may be a good platoon player and DH. But I do not think the answer is going to be bringing up Brown this year.

  17. TheDipsy

    April 20, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Yup. Really can’t make a judgment this far into the season on individual players. Nor do I believe that Dom Brown has improved in the areas he needs to during the first three weeks of the season. He looks like this generation’s Jeff Stone, for those of us who remember him. I will say this about Mayberry: While I understand that some people are late bloomers in life, there is a reason he was traded to us for Golson when he was already in his mid twenties. Perhaps last year was a good year and now he’s just reverting to the norm. I think we should just keeping playing Mayberry everyday and find out just who he really is and hope for the best.

    Additionally, the only reason Pods is in the minors is that the Phils were able to send him there. They either had to keep Pierre or cut him loose. Pods played just as well, if not better, than Pierre in spring training.

    The Dipsy

    • Jeff Dowder

      April 20, 2012 at 12:54 pm

      Podsedink & Pierre are pretty much the same player.

  18. Lefty

    April 20, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    IMO- JMJ just needs to spend some time watching tape of Carlos Ruiz swinging a bat, then watching himself. Shorten that swing, keep his head steady and the natural power will come through. I have faith in JMJ, can’t explain why, just do.

    Dominic Brown is just a head scratcher. I can see why scouts loved him, his natural athleticism is off the charts. I really think the Phils are doing the right thing not bringing him up right now. Too much pressure to perform immediately because the offense is scuffling. I’d wait it out a bit.

    Vance Worley looks great right now. That wicked cutter looks like a wiffle ball when it gets to the plate. Qualls and Paps despite the walks, did their job.

  19. Pete

    April 20, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    All you guys can keep talking about how Dom cant play, but there was a reason he was once one of the most hyped prospects in baseball. We havent seen a big enough sample size of him to judge him yet. Ill admit he has to work on fielding among other things. But he has far more potential that mayberry. Or you know what? Lets stick with Mayberry and his pop-ups, they are surely helping the team.

  20. Chuck A.

    April 20, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Manny, I agree that Pence COULD play left. But why move Brown BACK there at all when they clearly wanted him to learn a new position? Why mess with the kid’s psyche any more that they already have?

    • Chuck A.

      April 20, 2012 at 1:01 pm

      Meant to say, “Why move brown BACK to right?”

      • Manny

        April 20, 2012 at 1:46 pm

        Cause he’s not only better there, he’s also more comfortable there. How could going to your “natural” position hurt your psyche?

  21. GM

    April 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Brown is hitting .246 in AAA, what makes anyone think he is going to be more productive against better pitching? He needs to keep working and get better, both offensively and defensively. He has 11 K’s vs 3 BB’s, so he needs to improve there also. In his last 3 games, he’s 1 for 13. even if you wanted to consider a platoon in left, he’s only hitting .227 against right-handed pitching so far. If Brown was hitting .500, there may be an argument, but at .243 with a .280 OBP, there isn’t any reason to rush him. It might not be any worse than we have now in LF, but I’m not convinced right now its a whole lot better either. It’s not going to help him or the Phils to watch him struggle.

    • schmenkman

      April 20, 2012 at 2:19 pm

      “Brown is hitting .246 in AAA, what makes anyone think he is going to be more productive against better pitching?”

      Because he did it last year. See comment above at 11:11.

      • GM

        April 20, 2012 at 2:30 pm

        That means that we should assume Mayberry will hit better, because he did last year too.

      • schmenkman

        April 20, 2012 at 2:35 pm

        Except that one is consistent with his career up to that point, while the other is not.

      • GM

        April 20, 2012 at 2:46 pm

        Consistency? The numbers at the major league level don’t show that. Not one of these categories shows me a place were Brown has outperformed Mayberry at the major league level, and neither of them is hitting well so far this year.

        DB vs JMJ

        Games: 91 vs 167
        BA: .236 vs .257
        XBH: 21 vs 43
        HR: 7 vs 21
        RBI: 32 vs 65
        OBP: .314 vs .315
        OPS: .696 vs .803

      • schmenkman

        April 20, 2012 at 2:55 pm

        I actually said “consistent with his career up to that point”.

        Brown hitting well last year is consistent with his success in the minors.

        Mayberry hitting well last year is NOT consistent with his middling 3,000 plate appearances in the minors.

  22. The Original Chuck P

    April 20, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    I really hoped that I was wrong with JMJ but we have to be realistic and understand that he hasn’t really hit at any level consistently… unfortunately, what we saw in a short stint last year was probably a mirage. You don’t go from being a .255 minor league hitter to a +.300 big leaguer at age 28. He DOES have a ton of pop and he runs fairly well (so he’ll give you a lot of doubles and home run potential) but against ML pitching, his 20 home run potential might not be enough to overlook the likely .230-.245 batting average.

    I’m not sure what Brown WILL be at this point but his potential is certainly higher than JMJ – he has hit +.300 in the minors in +300 AB and he’s only 24 years old. He’s four years younger than JMJ…

    • GM

      April 20, 2012 at 3:08 pm

      Brown may have more potential, that’s not what I’m arguing.

      Neither Brown or Mayberry is hitting well right now. Promoting Domonic at this point will put unnecessary pressure on him. Based on the 2+ months last season (played in 53 of 60 games), he was hitting .246 with 5 HR & 19 RBI in 183 AB. I’m not convinced that he is going to come up right now and provide much more than Mayberry offensively, and he certainly is not ready defensively.

  23. Guest

    April 20, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Ruin Tomorrow and Cholly need to get a clue. Building a championship caliber team entails speed and defense up the middle ( check ), great pitching ( save middle relievers, check), and power hitting from corner infield and outfield positions ( 1 for 4 , failing miserably). When you have singles hitters at 3B, LF, & 1B of slow & slower speeds, don’t cry when you are in last place in the division.

    • schmenkman

      April 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm

      There is no single formula for building a championship caliber team, except winning more games. And the best predictor for games won is run differential (scoring more runs than your opponents over the course of the season). If you get that run differential with power hitting corner infielders and outfielders, great. If you get it with superior pitching, just as great.

      • wbramh

        April 20, 2012 at 4:43 pm

        You’re right. of course. Great pitching can be a successful substitute for power, but this team is not the 1960s Dodgers. They’re not smart at the plate nor aggressive on the base paths. The offense doesn’t think their way out of inevitable slumps and that can kill you at play-off time. How many scoreless innings do the Phil’s aces have to pitch before their offense can move a man off of third base with a simple sacrifice?

      • schmenkman

        April 20, 2012 at 5:17 pm

        We’re not disagreeing. You don’t get that run differential that I referred to if you don’t score runs, and, in fact, score a fair amount more than you give up.

        My only point is that there is no single best way to build a team that does that. The Phillies had one of the best run differentials in recent history with terrible hitting at third base and left field, proving that you don’t have to look too hard to find a great team that doesn’t fit that particular idea of what a “championship caliber team” looks like.

        Yes, I know they didn’t advance in the playoffs, but they did have the league’s most potent offense from May 23rd on. Just piling on even more offense is no guarantee of postseason success. In fact, there are no such guarantees.

      • Guest

        April 20, 2012 at 9:56 pm

        There are teams that win championships that catch lightining in a bottle. But few odds on favorites to take it all, vary much from this basic formula. Sure, you can win one year with Feliz at third, one ace pitcher, and a closer that catches fire. Disagree if you like, but tell me a top five team of all time that deviates from this basic framework.

      • schmenkman

        April 20, 2012 at 10:44 pm

        Now you’re limiting it to top five all-time?

  24. Jeff Dowder

    April 20, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Great pitching + poor offense = 2011 SF Giants

    570 runs scored. 578 runs allowed. Playing golf in October.

  25. bacardipr05

    April 20, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    While there is no consensus on how to build a championship team. There are few things you can do to improve your chances. One of the main obstacles is Rube is already tied up with Chase and Howard. Theres not much you can do there but just hope for the best. If the team goes south expect Rube to pull something off. The team has hit the point where there core is old and they have traded away most of their prospects and there isnt much wiggle room in payroll for huge additions due to there high priced aging veterans. Its no secret that they will hit a wall soon the question is when and how hard they will hit this wall.

  26. TheDipsy

    April 20, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Right on, Bacardi.

    The Dipsy

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