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Blue Jays Ask Phillies About Hamels, Victorino

Anthopoulos is the young GM of the Jays.

According to Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com, the Toronto Blue Jays are kicking some tires. This year, they expect to be buyers, so they’ve called the Phillies to ask about two of their soon-to-be free agents, Cole Hamels and Shane Victorino.

Now, Rosenthal warns that nothing is close or even close to likely. The Blue Jays understand the Phillies could be in dire straits soon with a few of their players, namely Hamels and Victorino. So, they’ve done their job and called.

I highly doubt the Phillies will trade Hamels in season. Victorino is more of a possibility, but nothing is even being considered at this point, in my opinion. The Phillies are still hoping Chase Utley and Ryan Howard can give them something in the near future and help turn around the fortunes of the team.

It is always interesting when Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopolous calls. He’s a shrewd mover as a GM and the Jays do have good, young talent. How much they would be willing to part with is the question. And at this point, can the Phillies even afford to sell two of their most popular – not to mention best – players for prospects. We saw how well that went over with the Cliff Lee deal.

Rosenthal brought up another interesting thought. He says that if the Phillies dwindle out of the race in the NL, they could tell Hamels “Look, we’ll deal you to the Jays, recoup some prospects, and you get another shot at the playoff. Then, in November we will absolutely re-sign you.” Hmm…

That said, dont expect anything to happen.

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  1. TheDipsy

    May 11, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Pat – The Phils will trade Hamels in season if they’re out of it. They’ll have no choice. They know Hamels price and are not gonna pay it or else they would have signed him already. His value is going up by the day. They would be fools to keep him and just let him walk.

    P.S. I think Ken Rosenthal has just about zero credibility when it comes to this stuff.

    The Dipsy

  2. Jeff Dowder

    May 11, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    D’Arnaud & Gose for Hamels would be a nice deal, but Anthopolous seems to smart to do that.

    I think the front office is too PR conscious to trade Hamels during the season though. Fan reaction would be ten times worse than when RAJ traded Lee to Seattle. This is a kid who came up through the system – and that doesn’t happen in this organization much anymore. They will most likely play this like they did with Werth. After the season they’ll leak their offer to the press so it at least looks like they made an attempt to bring Hamels back. He’s probably a Dodger next season.

  3. Mazinman

    May 11, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    I think that this is all part of negotiating with Cole. Between Amaro’s comments yesterday and this rumor the Phillies are basically telling Cole that they need to come up with an extension soon or the Phillies will have to trade him to ensure they will get something better than just a couple draft picks.

    The tricky thing about a Hamels trade would be the Phillies are not looking to get into rebuilding mode here. They would want something that would help them next year at the latest.

    • Jeff Dowder

      May 11, 2012 at 4:01 pm

      I think with the new CBA the Phillies would only receive one pick for losing Hamels.

  4. TheDipsy

    May 11, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Very true Mazinman. I don’t really want minor leaguers – I want players for Cole. Its not rebuilding – its retooling.

    The Dipsy

  5. Don M

    May 11, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    What “sure-thing” players are you going to be able to get for 2+ months of Hamels ??

    • Jeff Dowder

      May 11, 2012 at 5:21 pm

      There’s no such thing as a sure-thing prospect. Just check out the CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee deadline deals for an idea of what to expect. Some people think a Hamels trade would bring back impact players ready to play, but show me a recent example of a great return for a two month rental.

      I predict Hamels will still be around for the Cole Hamels Action Figurine day in late September.

  6. TheDipsy

    May 11, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Did I say “sure thing”? Did I say “star”? No, I said players. I would like one major league player to plug in that is better than the player we have at that position now. You might be talking about 2B or LF.

    The Dipsy

  7. Jeff Dowder

    May 11, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) is claiming that it’s the Phillies that are calling other teams and “loosely suggesting” that Victorino & Hamels “might” be available.

  8. TheDipsy

    May 11, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Very interesting.

    The Dipsy

  9. Don M

    May 11, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Yea someone said they didn’t want minor leaguers… And since nobody is trading an all star -for a Hamels rental… That leads me to believe you would want young, cheap, talented players in return- I don’t think Hamels gets you much more than prospects if you trade him

    You sound like you woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, Dip….
    You get the last word, the floor is all yours

  10. Jeff Dowder

    May 11, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    More from @Buster_ESPN:

    “Weeks ago, the Phillies called around to loosely suggest they might be open to talking Hamels, Victorino.”

    “One rival exec says other teams wouldn’t have the guts to call the Phillies about Hamels/Victorino this year, because it would be an insult.”

    “Rival exec about PHI: “This is a team that won 102 games last year. You wouldn’t call them to ask about one of their prime guys this early.”

  11. JohnMatrix

    May 11, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    This post is retarded. Im pissed i even wasted the time to read it. Hamels will sign somthing soon. If they didnt let an average player like jimmy walk, they are sure as hell not going to let hamels walk or trade him.

    • Jeff Dowder

      May 11, 2012 at 8:04 pm

      The issue with signing Hamels becomes how they manage to fill out the rest of the roster.

      Guaranteed for next year:
      Lee $25M
      Howard 20M
      Halladay 20M
      Utley 15M
      Papelbon 13M
      Rollins 11M
      Kendick 4.5M
      Nix 1.35M

      That’s $109.85 for eight players. We can assume the Ruiz option will be picked up for $5M. They’re at $114.85M for nine guys.

      I’ll guess that they’ll take the buyouts on Polanco ($1M), Wigginton & Contreras ($500K each). They are now up to $116.85M total.

      Conservatively, say Pence gets $12M in his last arbitration year and they’re at $128.85 for 10 guys. Bastardo and Herndon are also arbitration guys, but won’t command too much…maybe $1.5M between them. $130.35M at this point for 12 players.

      Now the problem with signing Hamels (who will get $25M a year from somebody) becomes evident. Adding in that $25M will give them over $155 million allocated to 13 guys. Even with a $175M payroll, that leaves $20M for the remaining 12 players.

      They’ll definitely need starting players at 3B, LF, and CF next season.

      I don’t see how this all works out…it’s a very top heavy payroll.

      • George

        May 11, 2012 at 11:13 pm

        It’s still posible for Brown and Mayberry to turn things around by next year. Brown could fill left cheaply, and Mayberry has been okay in center. They will have to find a budget #rd baseman.

        I’m not saying they will turn things around, but that would make keeping Hamels a lot easier. Those other twelve guys are going to be bench options, and middle relief pitchers. I doubt they’d cost that entire $20 million.

        It would be tight, but it might be doable.

  12. c schreiber

    May 11, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Didn’t think I’d be saying this at this point of the season, but wish Raul was in LF this year.

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