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Gameday: Phillies (36-42) at Marlins (35-40)

Philadelphia Phillies (36-42) at Miami Marlins (35-40)

Cliff Lee (0-4, 3.72) vs. Josh Johnson (4-5, 3.96)

TIME: 7:05, Marlins Park
Weather: Lower 80′s, mostly sunny
Media: Twitter and Facebook

After splitting a four game series with the Pirates, the Phillies head down to Miami tonight to take on the Marlins. Cliff Lee will look for his first win of the year yet again, but he’ll have a tough time, as he opposes the Marlins Ace Josh Johnson.

Lee is 2-0 with a 2.31 ERA against the Marlins in his career, but just 1-0 with a 4.91 ERA in Florida. The last time he faced the Marlins, he threw a complete game while giving up just one run and striking out twelve.

As for Johnson, he’s 5-4 with a 3.68 ERA against the Phils over his career. He faced the Phillies back in April, and couldn’t get out of the fourth inning after giving up a season-high 11 hits and 6 earned runs. However, his ERA is under 4 again, and Johnson is a guy that has the ability to shut an offense down on any given night, just like Lee. I’m expecting a pitcher’s duel tonight, and hopefully Lee will get his first win of the year.

Lineup: Rollins SS, Pierre LF, Utley 2B, Ruiz C, Pence RF, Victorino CF, Polanco 3B, Mayberry LF, Lee P

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  1. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 29, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Utley really does stand out on this team as he is a professional hitter and actually works counts and knows how to hit.
    He does help alot in that respect.

    Cliff lee is going to be the best pitcher ever with 0 wins in July.

    Howard is playing 5 innings in the field tonight.

    So there is hope 🙂

  2. c schreiber

    June 29, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    There’s hope for…..what?


    June 29, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    I think Cliff Lee’s spirit is broken. He needs to go to a contender, then we need to fire Amaro, jr. We may have to eat some of Lee’s outrageous salary, but a change of scenery would do him a lot of good and lighten our payroll so we could possibly sign Hamels.

    • Ken

      June 29, 2012 at 9:21 pm

      Trade Lee ? Have you looked at his contract ?
      2012: $11.25 mil left
      2013-2015: $25 million/year
      2016:$27.5 mil option with a 12.5 mil buyout.

      What team on Earth would touch this? Maybe the Yankees but thats only if they get so desperate that they need another arm. The Dodgers? I dont see it. Give me a team who would touch this contract. Sure you can eat some of the money but I just dont see that happening.

  4. Jeff

    June 29, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Erase me pat the slime. My son said dad I could catch
    That. Pence sucks.

  5. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 29, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    OK Pence cant field at all on the lowest level.

    Why doesnt charlie take him out of the game in the middle of the inning?

    Why is this allowed? Why does this go on endlessly.

    Cant hurt any of the prima donnas feelings.

    sad really

    And TV jsut going on and on about Howard.

    The circus is in Miami tongiht.

  6. chuck schreiber

    June 29, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Think Hawk Harrelson here “Its Over”

  7. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 29, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Every time a ball is hit to right play this song in your head.

    Or when you think about Lees 0 wins in July.

    then listening to Mccarthy talking about Howard at lakeland lol

  8. phills_nills

    June 29, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    well 10 games back as of later on tonight. This era is over and i think its time to trade what we can for the future! But first i agree with firing the GM comment should have been done time ago in my honest opinion. This is what happens when you put your eggs in one basket. (majority of the salary going into starting pitching) ITS TIME FOR CHANGE !!! And it is shown through this game loosing to another under performing side!

  9. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 29, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Its over unless Charlie and Ruben are fired.

    Not happening.

  10. Tracey

    June 29, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    What the hell is wrong with Cliff Lee this year? I’ve really had enough of this.

    • EricL

      June 29, 2012 at 11:29 pm

      Nothing. Bad BABIP luck, poor fielding behind him, poor run support, bad timing, etc. He’s still pitching very well despite the ugly results.

      To add to my other post that was eaten by the link-filter, this is from tonight’s game recap over at The Good Phight blog:

      “The Phillies have two left-handed starting pitchers. Starter A strikes out 9.2 batters per 9 innings. He walks 2.2 batters per 9 innings. His groundball percentage is 43.9%. He gives up 1.0 homers a game. Starter B strikes out 9.1, walks 1.8, and gives up 1.0 homers per nine innings and his groundball percentage is 48.2%. Pitcher A has an xFIP of 3.15 while Pitcher B has an xFIP of 2.91. One has a record of 10 – 2. One has a record of 0 – 4 (prior to tonight).”

      • JohnMatrix

        June 30, 2012 at 8:52 am

        You can look at all the fantasy baseball numbers you want. Cliff Lee is bad this year. hes not pitching well. We already have a pitcher who gives up five runs then retires the next 15 batters, his name is kyle kendrick

      • EricL

        June 30, 2012 at 10:50 am

        No. You’re wrong.

        Cliff Lee is pitching nearly as well as he did last season. The wins and losses don’t reflect that, and his ERA is a little high, but that’s due to a lot of luck, especially a career-high .333 BABIP.

        His ERA estimators put him right around an ERA of 3.00, which is pretty damn good. He’s still striking out batters at the right around his career average, while his walk rate is still well below average. The only thing that’s out of whack is that more balls are falling for hits and his HR rate is slightly elevated, neither of which a pitcher has a lot of control over.

        So, in this case, the stats tell you about how he’s pitching and the results tell you a narrative about much more than just Cliff; they tell you about how poor his run support has been, how poor the fielding behind him has been, how mismanaged the bullpen behind him has been, etc.

  11. Ryne Duren

    June 29, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    charlies got to go first!

  12. bacardipr

    June 29, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Strike zone by this umpire was tight..Nothing inside..This took Lee out of his game…Not been a apologist…Im afraid this season is a wrap…It hurts me to say it but the white flag is in my hand at this point…

  13. Jeff Dowder

    June 29, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Despite all Schmenkman’s positive metrics, this is just a bad team. If they finish under .500 (a very good possibility), they’ll have one of the worst falls from a 100+ win season in baseball history.

  14. bacardipr

    June 29, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Expansion on what i said earlier…An already off pitcher couldnt get them called inside strikes furthering hampering..Get rid of Dubee as well…

  15. Ryne Duren

    June 29, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    i’m so discusted with these guys!i like lee alot he is a very good pitcher. but at this point he’s wupped! did you see the look on his face when pence didn’t catch that ball? that look said it all! if it’s not pence it’s someone else!i don’t know why but they don’t play well behind him, and they don’t hit either. charlies got to pull aplayer at that point right then and there! embarrass him! j-bag not hustling to first on another grounder ( of course t-bag and wheels say nothing of it) mayberry hitting like a little leaguer! , no pop poly, vic swinging and striking out on the same stupid pitch down around his ankles over and over and cholly sits there blowing effin bubbles! and yesterday again KK talked about how he kept us in the game! big DEAL! after you put the game out of reach! i would have sent him right down to AA. changes have to be made! the ship is sinking and the balast pumps aren’t working.

    • EricL

      June 29, 2012 at 11:09 pm

      To be fair, Pence doesn’t play well behind anyone.

  16. Vic

    June 29, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Philly is DONE!!!! Ahahahaha!!!!

  17. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    June 30, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Was at the Iron maiden concert so I missed the massacre. In still giving them until the all-star break, but then I’m flying the white flags. : (

    • Dave

      June 30, 2012 at 8:48 am

      I was there too Ed. Fortunately for us, what we saw was much better!

  18. psujoe

    June 30, 2012 at 12:33 am

    OK, deep breath. Unless you’re the Atlanta Braves nobody wins the division 11 years in a row. Funny thing is they had the same number of WS wins and how many WS appearences did they have? This is were a great, not good, GM recalibrates, rejuvinates and puts the team in position to win th division 5 more years in a row. Keep in mind we lost 4 BP arms, the 3&4 hitter for the season(so far) as well as losing the 3B, the backup 2B, the C, the Backup C, our Ace(and yes Halliday is the Ace, not Hamels), the 2 starter, the 4 starter…

    If we fall out of it use the season to figure out the 2-3-4 BP arms to use next season. Dump Thome, Vic, Pierre… and get what you can while keeping in mind the 40 man roster. resign Hamels at a reasonable price or get Grienke.

    • EricL

      June 30, 2012 at 12:40 am

      The fly in the ointment here is that the GM who is going to be doing the recalibration and rejuvenation you’re calling for is Ruben Amaro. I have very little confidence in his ability to do this given the payroll constraints of the luxury tax and the current contracts this team is locked into. Not to mention that a true rejuvenation from within the organization is essentially impossible seeing as he’s gutted the farm system over the last 4 years.

      • psujoe

        June 30, 2012 at 12:49 am

        I agree. RAJ did some good things but he spent a lot in $$ and treasure(prospects) when I didn’ think he had to. I actually like what he did in the off season this year, but he was forced to do it. Pierre, Fontenot, Pods(would’ve loved him in the 5 OF), etc. No ay to overcome 4 BP, the 3,4 hitter… but moving forward the moves are huge. I follow th minors(some what) and the 40 man and RAJ needs to use the chips to upgrade the perifery(sp?) while removing salary. Huge transition year for the club and RAJ.

  19. Brave

    June 30, 2012 at 4:58 am

    @psujoe. Braves had 14 consecutive titles

  20. Brave

    June 30, 2012 at 4:58 am

    @psujoe. Braves had 14 consecutive titles

  21. George

    June 30, 2012 at 9:04 am

    People are a little unfair about comparisons between the Braves’ dynasty and the Phils’ five straight. When the Braves started their run, the entire league was aligned differently and there wasn’t as big of a “bad luck in a short series” issue because there was no wild card. The collective bargaining agreement was different. Contracts were not as outlandish, and a richer team (such as the Turner owned Braves) could sign players much more reasonably.

    The Braves made tremendous moves during that time. I’ll grant that. But it’s a little unfair to compare a Maddux or C. Jones signing to a Lee, Cain, Pujols, or Fielder contract because the parameters were so different. One can fault Amaro all one wants, but some blame for the Phils’ current overpaid underperformance can also be attributed to the players’ money-grubbing agents and the current structure of baseball. Cliff Lee, for instance, had MULTIPLE offers of over $100 million. Amaro wasn’t going to get him or anyone close for much less.

    • George

      June 30, 2012 at 9:11 am

      More changes: Back in the Braves’ day, they were playing the Expos, a team with no revenue, and the Marlins, who were in a similar situation. Now it’s the Nationals, owned by one of the richest people in baseball and with the benefit of number one draft picks for years, and Florida is now Miami, with a new stadium and way more money to spend.

  22. JohnMatrix

    June 30, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Explain to me how the pitcher cant control his homerun rate? Are their more winds blowing out to centerfield this year? El Nino i guess

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