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Kendrick, Bullpen Awful in Loss to Twins

In a barnburner at Target Field, the Phillies lost yet again. They move to 2-9 in June with an 11-7 loss to the Twins.


-It’s really a coin flip anymore as to what Kyle Kendrick you’ll get. On Tuesday, it was bad Kendrick. Giving up five runs over the first two innings is just about the worst thing you can do while trying to protect this Phillies offense.

-His final line: four innings, eight hits, six runs, two walks, two strikeouts. That’s just not going to get it done, but really, what choice do the Phillies have but to ride the Kendrick Coaster.

-This young Phillies bullpen is shaky. Joe Savery, B.J. Rosenberg, Jake Diekman, and Chad Qualls all tried to keep it close and could not. All told, the pen wasn’t very mighty, allowing five runs runs on nine hits in four innings of work. As Todd Zolecki pointed out in a tweet during the seventh, the offense hasn’t been the issue – it’s clearly the arms.

-The Twins putting up 11 runs on 17 hits tells you all you need to know, really.


-The Phillies offense actually had a respectable day at the dish. They were just let down by the pitching.

-Let’s start at the top, where Jimmy Rollins had himself an evening. J-Roll finished 4-for-5 with two doubles and  two RBIs. The Phillies need him to be that table setter. His performance was one of the positives.

-Jim Thome had another solid night, going 2-for-4 with two RBIs. Too bad there’s no DH in the NL…

-The bottom third of the Phillies order was excellent. Carlos Ruiz, Mike Fontenot, and Michael Martinez combined to go 7-for-13 on the night.


-Hunter Pence had yet another costly error in right field. As the Phillies were attempting to continue their comeback in the fifth inning, down 6-4, he let a single by Ryan Doumit get by him. Doumit would go to third base and score one batter later on a single by Trevor Plouffe. Jamey Carroll then slapped a double down the left field line two batters later that would score Plouffe (who actually never touched third). That would prove costly as the Phillies fell short in their second comeback bid in the later innings.

-Speaking of D, Placido Polanco will likely be back tomorrow, which should solidify things on the diamond a bit. Although, props to Mike Fontenot for having a decent night with the glove.

-And how about the play by the young fan that cost the Phillies in the seventh? Unlucky break that cost the Phillies a run when Fontenot was robbed by a Phillies fan in the front row along the third base line.


-Things you wouldn’t hear a Phillies fan say any time in the last five years: “I can’t wait for the NBA Finals to start.” Many had to be saying that. I know I did after the first two innings.

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  1. Ryne Duren

    June 13, 2012 at 12:01 am

    ladies and gentlement herrrrrres kendrick! ( now hum to yourself the music intro to elvis entering the room!) cool huh! makes it all worthwhile watching this so so pitcher. and people rag on lee! go figure. all lee does once in awhile is cough up a lead. kendrick on the other hand, or blanton take your pick. don’t cough it up they just puke and make the game unraechable! and the defense marches on! 9 1/2 games out and counting! Go phils! no i mean go phils. i’m officially ready man, do it rube blow it up. trade whoever you have to, and give me something to watch that resembles a major league ballclub.

  2. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 13, 2012 at 12:06 am

    Tomorrow the Phils will be 10 games out for the first time since Oct 2006.

    Unemployment was 4.4 percent
    The departed was just released and has was $2.20

    Chase Utley, Ryan Howard and Jimmy Rollins were perenial MVP candidates.

    The good old days.

  3. Ryne Duren

    June 13, 2012 at 12:30 am

    lol AFW! sure seems like a long time ago doesn’t it ? hey i think i even had a little more hair thennn???????? naaah

  4. EricL

    June 13, 2012 at 12:35 am

    lol Hunter Pence you pile of dog manure.

    Just FYI, y’all:

    Singleton: 1B, Age 20, Texas (AA)
    207 AB, 13 2B, 2 3B, 11 HR, 39 BB, 54 K, .295/.409/.536

    Santana: OF, Age 19, California (A+)
    182 AB, 10 2B, 5 3B, 9 HR, 19 BB, 62 K, .275/.348/.533

    Yeah, great trade Rube. And if I ever hear a Pence fan complain about Domonic Brown’s defense they go directly to jail and skip two seasons. They do not pass go. They do not collect $200.

    • EricL

      June 13, 2012 at 12:41 am

      That said, let me also say–to prevent any thinking I’m not giving blame where it’s due–I know that the problem tonight was in large part the pitching, but the difference between Pence being a pile of maggot infested dog dung and guys like Savery and Rosenberg having a rough night is that Savery and Rosenberg aren’t star players who are expected to carry the team. Hell, Kendrick (who, make no mistake, is terribad and shouldn’t have been offered abitration, much less the $7.5 million dollar contract they gave him this spring) wasn’t even supposed to be in the rotation. The bullpen youngsters are guys with little experience in the bigs and, along with Kendrick, been forced into roles they’re not ready or equipped for due to injuries, so I cut them a little slack.

    • Stuart

      June 13, 2012 at 4:47 am

      You can’t really compare those players. Not until they are in the bigs. I have seen a lot of players tear it up and play well in the minors and then fall flat on their face in the bigs. I am sure if Pence was in the minors he would be well above those numbers. You have no idea how those guys are going to be.

      • schmenkman

        June 13, 2012 at 7:04 am

        He didn’t show their stats to compare them to Pence, but to show what kind of prospects the Phillies gave up.

        And you’re right that there is no guarantee that even a very good prospect will amount to much. But he also showed their ages, because players typically continue developing until 26 or 27, and it’s important that they’re among the youngest in their league, and still among the best hitters in those leagues. Singleton is one of only 3 20 year olds in the Texas League, Santana one of only 2 19 year olds in the California League..

  5. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 13, 2012 at 12:57 am

    The problem I have with Pences fielding is a big one. Thats alot more than just his fielding.

    In the good old days. ( 5-7 years ago) when a player came to the Phillies they got better.
    And when players left they got worse.

    Either the manager or the clubhouse atomosphere or whatever it was it made Victorino or Werth or other journeyman type of players better in Philly.

    It seems to me it is the opposite now. I think that Charlie shuld have taken Pence out immediately following the play. Or sit him tomorrow. Or do something to piss off the players.

    I just dont see it happening.

    Theres an overall malaise thats been here for awhile. Last year Halladay Lee and Hamels camouflaged it.
    I want to see a fight in the dugout. I want to hear the old man ( or anyone) trashed the clubhouse.

    I want this to not be acceptable. I want to see angry players and managers with chips on thier shoulders. Instead of the smiling happy faces Charlie is so good at fostering.

    • schmenkman

      June 13, 2012 at 5:22 am

      Sounds like you want the Quizno’s commercial version of the Phillies.

      The issue isn’t that they’re too comfortable. It’s that they’re pressing.

      • Rob

        June 13, 2012 at 11:45 am

        Its that they’re old and have no consistency in their lineup EVER. Phillies won’t be above .500 this year with or without Utley, Howard, and Doc.

      • Chuck A.

        June 13, 2012 at 11:52 am

        Uhhh, Rob…. they already have been above .500 this year.

      • schmenkman

        June 13, 2012 at 12:27 pm

        Being old wouldn’t matter if there were old and good, like they were last year.

        As for consistency, I don’t know if you mean changing the lineup from day to day, or scoring lots of runs one day and not much the next.

        If you mean changing the lineup, I don’t know why that’s surprising — they have people out with injuries, and players who can hit only righties or only lefties, and Manuel is trying to put the best team on the field each day to win that game. You can certainly disagree with some of those lineup decisions, but I certainly don’t fault him for changing up the lineup.

        If you mean inconsistent scoring, that’s really not the case. If you look at their game-to-game scoring, and compare that to other teams, they’re no more inconsistent than other teams. And in fact they’ve been one of the MOST consistent teams since late April.

  6. Jeff Dowder

    June 13, 2012 at 1:33 am

    To top it all off Chase Utley was booed tonight in Clearwater.

  7. mhrinda

    June 13, 2012 at 3:11 am

    Offense improved?
    We are forgeting gentleman that our best hitter has been our DH ….
    We are a NL team… Zolecki offense is not good.
    We need to make hard decisions and give this team direction.
    Sell what can be sold if it comes at a good rate: get a starting 3b cut salary get prospects.
    Call up D Brown: let him play everyday no bench. Its time we started treating this guy like a top rookie and stop second guessing him — give the guy some confidence and a new challenge.
    And challenge for the wildcard with what is left: hopefully at least a SOUND team not like we have now. NO TIME FOR INDECISIVENESS: we are horrible.

    • schmenkman

      June 13, 2012 at 5:27 am

      He didn’t say it’s improved. He said it’s been one of the best for over a month and a half now (despite all the issues with injuries, men on 3rd, etc.).

  8. TheDipsy

    June 13, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Eric L said all that really needs to be said about Pence’s Timmy Lupus fielding. Its a joke really. He’s that bad. Maybe trading Pence and moving Brown into CF and Shane back to RF would be a good move. Brown would actually have the luxury of learning the position on the job.

    Isn’t in funny how we all thought that Pence was gonna be a super player? I wanted Beltran, only for the reason that we would have to give up less. But Pence doesn’t have the sense of a goat.

    The Dipsy

  9. Dave

    June 13, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Phils are in free fall mode fellas. 9.5 out and fading fast. I think Charlie may get fired soon if this keeps up.


    June 13, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Maybe it its time for Sandberg to take the helm?

  11. Chuck A.

    June 13, 2012 at 8:09 am

    I don’t think there’s any chance that Charlie Manuel gets fired when your #3 and #4 hitters are on the DL to start the season, your #1 starter is out for 8 weeks and your #2 starter spent time on the DL as well. Throw in injuries along the way to your 3rd baseman and your young second baseman and I’m not really sure how all of that is the manager’s fault.

    • Dave

      June 13, 2012 at 12:16 pm


      I’m not saying it’s his fault (although i don’t agree with a lot of the decisions that have been made), but you have to shake things up and you can’t fire the players. Yes, they’ve been decimated with injuries, but 5 games under .500 with a $175 million dollar payroll is just unacceptable. If this were the Yankees of the 70’s, Steinbrenner would have already fired and re-hired Billy Martin! Lol.

      • Chuck A.

        June 13, 2012 at 12:37 pm

        a $175 million dollar payroll with $60M of that currently on the DL…and I’m only talking about 3 players there. That doesn’t count for another $25M with Cliff Lee’s DL stint, Polanco being injured, Galvis (who makes nothing) now out indefinitely, etc. Aside from maybe benching Hunter Pence for his sh!tty outfield play (and you really can’t do that with the lineup the way it is) I’m not sure what else you want the manager to do.

  12. Manny

    June 13, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Pence is a nice player, but not a star. Some of us knew that when the trade was made… It was a terrible overpay by the Phillies and it will come back and haunt us big time in the near future. What upsets me the most is the reason why RAJ made that trade (buying high) when we were in 1st place and virtually guaranteed to make the playoffs. Simply inexcusable.

  13. Roots

    June 13, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Who has no life and desperately needs to touch a girl other than his sister?

    The Dipsy

  14. Bob in Bucks

    June 13, 2012 at 9:18 am

    I was embarrassed to be at the game. Fire Manuel? Why? Do you think the kids in the pen would throw better? Really a terrible game. They are not having fun and they don’t believe.

  15. Don M

    June 13, 2012 at 9:49 am

    if Baseball was like Golf, the Phillies would be doing great right now, with the low score in 9 of their last 10 !!!


    June 13, 2012 at 11:42 am

    ….Rumor has it that Charlie is eating out more and more and has become extremely flatulent in the dugout. That has detracted from the needed concentration of the ballplayers and thus has affected their attentiveness to the game. He has been gulping Beano, but it has not worked. Now he is chugging Activia. This may be the underlying reason why people say he stinks as a manager.

  17. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 13, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Nationals up 2-0 with Strasburg on the mound.

    Guy named Tyler Moore just knocked 2 in.

    It will indeed be 10 games by tonights first pitch.

    Charlie should be fired because they better try to win it this year. Because the future is not good. Unless this collection of fossils can get what Clemens and Bonds got in 1998. And that just doesnt happen anymore.

  18. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 13, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Bart maybe you have a daughter who could marry Tyler Moore and mess his game up.

  19. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 13, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Just a little FYI for the boys here at PN.

    The Nationals have lost Zimmermann and Werth and Morse for large portions of the year. But somehow overcome.

    The Nationals have a total team pay roll of 81 million. So if you take out the injured players from the Philllies bloated 176 million dollar pay roll it is still higher.

    There is no excuse for being 10 games out on june 13th because of injuries. Especialy when our team is old. Old people get hurt. Ive fallen and I cant get up.

    • Chuck A.

      June 13, 2012 at 1:23 pm

      You’ve fallen?? Then stay down and stop bothering the sh!t out of us all the time…

  20. Dave

    June 13, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    How many times does a manager actually deserve to get fired? Not very often, but it comes with the job. He can’t hit, pitch, or play defense. He writes his lineup card and sits back and watches for the most part. But someone has to take the fall when a team plays poorly. And they have played poorly. When you reach the upper stratosphere in payroll and expectations, there’s lots more pressure. If it were 1990 with 15,000 people lumbering into the Vet to watch Bruce Ruffin, probably not so much. But this team is a mess…piles of errors, bad baserunning, misplayed fly balls, poor situational hitting, etc. I really hope they pull out of it and run off 5 or 6 in a row again. But at some point if this continues, the hammer has to fall.

  21. TheDipsy

    June 13, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Charlie doesn’t know how to manage a team like this. Jim Leyland, Gene Mauch, Billy Martin. They squeeze more out of less. Charlie can’t do that. Charlie is the guy at the keg working the tap. He’s there to make sure all the three run homer guys are safe. warm, and comfy. But they’re not here anymore. He’s an “atmosphere” guy, not an “x and o” guy. But eff it. Firing him won’t do much so you might as well keep him. He’s a cool enough guy.

    The Dipsy

    • Andrew from Waldorf

      June 13, 2012 at 2:28 pm

      I am really not trying to give up on 2012. As bad as it is this year think about next year when they are all a year older. Its dumb to think there wont be as many if not more injuries next year as they are all a year older. And Hamels will be gone.

      If they got a Kirk Gibson type and realed off some wins I think its still possible this year.
      The following years it becomes more impossible.

      For that reason Id like to see a new manager.
      Although agree Charlie is cool and of all the players/coaches on this team of the last 6 years he is the only guy Id put a statue of out in front of the park.

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