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2012 Gameday

Gameday: Phillies (45-55) at Braves (55-44)

Philadelphia Phillies (45-55) at Atlanta Braves (55-44)

Joe Blanton (11-4, 3.23 ERA) vs. Mike Minor (2-0, 0.00 ERA)

Time: 7:10, Turner Field
Weather: Upper 70′s, chance of rain, t-storms
Media: Twitter and  Facebook

After an ugly loss to the Braves in the series opener last night, the Phils look to bounce back tonight, weather permitting. There will be showers and possible thunderstorms rolling through Atlanta during the game, and the last thing the Phillies want is a delay that will force them to turn to the bullpen too early.

However, they may need to do that anyway, as Joe Blanton will take the mound, and he isn’t exactly having a good year, even for a 5th starter. He is 8-8 with a 4.70 ERA but get this: his 4.10 FIP is near the bottom among all qualified pitchers in the NL. On top of that, Phillie Killer Brian McCann is 10-24 off Blanton in his career with three home runs.

On the mound for the Braves will be Mike Minor, and he is even worse than Blanton this year. Minor is 5-7 with a 5.49 ERA and his 5.25 FIP is dead last in the NL among qualified pitchers. With these two guys on the mound tonight, there are sure to be a lot of runs scored.

Lineup: Rollins SS, Victorino CF, Utley 2B, Howard 1B, Pence RF, Wigginton 3B, Mayberry LF, Kratz C, Blanton P.

Your Gameday Beer – Kentucky Bourbon Barrell Ale

This one is in honor of Big Joe. Kentucky Bourbon Barrell Ale has subtle flavors of vanilla and oak, aged 6 weeks in bourbon barrells. Support the Cornfed Colossus by sipping on Lexington’s best export since 1794 during the game today.  -By Ian


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  1. Whatthephuck

    July 28, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Isn’t Blanton leading the league in SO to BB ratio?

  2. psujoe

    July 28, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Big Joe has done pretty well the laast month. He has the best era among all 5 Phillies starters over the last 30 days.

    Blanton 4.13
    Hamels 4.15
    Lee 4.54
    Worley 6.43
    Halladay 6.55

    • Ken Bland

      July 28, 2012 at 7:27 pm

      So much for the old saying 2 wrongs don’t make a right.’

      Let’s try 5 wrongs don’t make a right.

      4.13 isn’t doing pretty well anywhere outside the World Wiffleball Association.

      Nice arm strength by Vic. Exciting throw.

      • psujoe

        July 28, 2012 at 7:30 pm

        Almost any team would take a 4.13 for a 5th starter for the season.

      • Ken Bland

        July 28, 2012 at 7:37 pm

        I don’t disagree with that, Joe, but that’s pretty well for a 5th starter.

        And when Joe is announced, do they say, and pitching for the Phillies, number 56, 5th starter, Joe Blanton?

        Is he officially 5, and Vance 4?

        To me, pretty well implies above average. I’d describe 4.13 as an ERA as just okay for a 5th starter. It’s acceptable.

  3. Ken Bland

    July 28, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    How close are we to any sort of I was wrong about Utley from those that said he was done.

    He’s still an asset, and a privelege to watch.

    When he plays, but that’s a little besides the point that he still has game left, at least.

  4. Andrew From Waldorf

    July 28, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Howard has 19 ABs vs lefties

    2 hits and 10 Ks so far.

    The Phillies arent in a spot to start him vs lefties and make a run winning 19 of 21 games.

    Oh well.

    Its nothing new he had a .347 slugging vs lefties last year.

    He is striking out over 50% of the time now.

    Ok play him. Which I disagree with. But do you have to hit him 4th?

    Its hard for me to question if this team wants to win?
    Because this is a must win game and they pull this.

  5. Andrew From Waldorf

    July 28, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    @ Ken he has a ton of game left till he wears down.

    The question is how long can he last at this high level.

    One thing thats huge that he brings is he plays professionaly and has professional at bats.

    Does he have to sit the first half of the year from now on?

    I still say moving him to left is less wear and tear than a middle infield position.
    That may come next year.

    • Ken Bland

      July 28, 2012 at 9:39 pm

      “Does he have to sit the first half of the year from now on?”

      To my knowledge, we never did get an explanation of Chase’s off season, and how he finished the year playing, but then came to camp unable to perform. Not that we’re really owed one, but it would be nice to have some confidence that he can play a full year next year, or at least start out playing.

      I don’t know what to say about Howard. I don’t know where else you’d bat him, and it’s easy to say he should be a platoon player, but I wonder how many managers would actually do that.
      You can’t live off his being threatening, but he can be a real hinderance at times.

  6. Jeff

    July 28, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Only thing worse then watching this team is reading what
    Dip shit writes here. Loser. Lunch.

  7. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    July 28, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Minor has a 5.19 era. We have one run and a slew of strike outs. Making the kid look like a Cy Young winner. Why do I torture myself by hoping we will come back?

  8. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    July 28, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Kudos again to Sloppy Joe for another solid pitching effort. I hope we “sell” Polanco. He’s like an old battered stuffed animal with not much stuffing left.

    • psujoe

      July 28, 2012 at 10:40 pm

      Placido is on the DL so he can’t be traded.

  9. Jeff

    July 28, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    This team Sux. Horrible team to watch. Giving Hamels 140 million
    What a waste. We need offense. Youth. Cut slutley howie the nip

  10. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    July 28, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    9th inning: Jimmy and Shane, seriously?! Up to Utley, who has solid at-bats consistently…and as I am typing he strikes out. Argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How many strike out did our players have total tonight? Has to be double digits.

  11. Andrew From Waldorf

    July 28, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Couple of thoughts.

    Now Charlie will sit Howard vs a rightie LOL
    Its just senseless.

    Maybe Milwaukee just sucks.

    They must win the next 4 in a row PERIOD or its over.

    Chances of this slim to none and and slim is heading towards the exit.

  12. Andrew From Waldorf

    July 28, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    And I am going to try my best to be positive and not rant the rest of the season.

    Good luck in the next 4 Phillies.

    • Ryne Duren

      July 28, 2012 at 10:03 pm

      comon AFW i seriously enjoy your rants. honestly ! i don’y mind reading them . i think the same most of the time you save my k lackluster typing skills. there are some things you say i don’t agree with but a lot i do so carry on young man! it actually felt good not venting to anyone about our team. i don’t think i can say anything that i haven’t said before . and if i did it don’t mean diddley.

  13. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    July 28, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Ben Davis said for a must win game their effort and attitude was”lackluster.” damn he is being nice. Hey Greg Gross, who hides in the shadows, how about giving these hitters some in game adjustments. F’in joke. Team is officially DOA.

    • Ken Bland

      July 28, 2012 at 9:44 pm

      11 strikeouts tonight to answer your question on hoiw many times they struck out.

  14. TheDipsy

    July 28, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Well that should about do it.

    The Dipsy

  15. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    July 28, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Thanks, Ken, I appreciate it. Just cannot believe a guy with an over 5 era owned us so easily. I’m still fire up.

    • Ken Bland

      July 28, 2012 at 9:55 pm

      Minor’s actually well regarded as a young pitcher, if that means anything. I know the 5 plus wouldn’t lend to that, but clearly, the Braves are working off good scouting, and they throw Hudson at a team that has 8 hits in the 2 games against them this series.

      We’ll no doubt see new faces by Friday night, and it’ll perk curiousities again. Guys wanted to stay, and guys wanted a chance to prove they could compete together. They had their opportunity. Blanton might be more marketable after this game, so multiple faces will change.

  16. TheDipsy

    July 28, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Blanton, Pierre, Vic are gone for sure. Unless Pence goes for some reason. Bastardo looks terrible. I’d try and get rid Of Wiggy, too. Sep 1 lineup


    The Dipsy

    • Lefty

      July 28, 2012 at 10:25 pm

      So does this mean you are gonna pitch now?

    • psujoe

      July 28, 2012 at 10:41 pm

      A few teams inquired about Wigs, but he’s not for sale. Plays 5 positions and Polanco is always hurt so I think he stays.

  17. Andrew From Waldorf

    July 28, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    LaRussa wouldnt hit him vs lefties.

    Bochy won a WS and beat the Phillies completely sitting Zito and Rowand the teams t bggest contracts.

    The Royals now hit Hosmer 8th.

    Other teams recognize what they have and play them accordingly.

    Many times now I watch teams pitch to get to Howard and put in a lefty.
    Maybe he still is a threat vs righties but he is not vs lefties.

    And believe me a good manager is going to get into a situation of him vs lefty late in a game.
    And in a playoff series will do the same. Ive seen it happen over and over again.

    Mayberry at first vs a left handed starter. Period.
    Just do whatever with leftfield.

    Mayberry cant hit lefies and kills righties. Hward is exact opposite.

    Why am I seen as crazy for seeing this?

    Trying to keep it positive 🙂

    Re: Utley

    I see him being good for short spurts after layoffs. Then wearing down.
    To use a horse racing analogy. He is a champion who has problems.
    He would now be a 10,000$ claimer. A broke down ex champion who competes on heart and guts.
    Id like to see him in left though if there is a furure here.

  18. chuck schreiber

    July 28, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Come on Afw, seriously it’s been over for weeks. Howard MUST learn to hit the ball against the shift ALL the time to make them get out of it. The lefties just keep throwing breaking pitches to the outside of the plate, if he could just learn to “glide” the ball toward left he’d hit .400. Christ he is a “professional hitter”isn’t he?

  19. Andrew From Waldorf

    July 28, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    Chuck he doesnt even make contact over 50% of the time.

    These bad habits have built up for years.
    Charlie made the comment this off season para phrasing ” we dont take walks here”

    Well if you arent going to take walks and you are swinging at crap you are basicly useless.

    Thats the problem he has learned at all or gotten any better the last 5 years.
    He has gotten progressively worse.
    Does a shift matter when in 20 ABs vs leftys you have 2 hits and 10 Ks?
    And its not lke this is new it was last year pre injury too.

    And sorry Chuck it may be over now. But I still believe this team can turn it around with some adjustments and changes in philosphy.

    Was nice to hear Charlie mention the heart factor. That other teams used to tell him they won on heart and hustle. And Charlie said himself its not so much anymore.

    Nice to see he knows the problem too.
    So signing Babe Ruth Lou Gehrig and Cy Young doesnt matter.
    Its not the players.
    Its the management and organizational attitude.
    And Charlie is part of the problem.
    He needs to change too.

  20. TheDipsy

    July 29, 2012 at 9:58 am

    The Phillies could use a new manager next year. Its not Charlie’s fault. Has Javier Bardem would say…”you need the one right tool”, and Charlie is not it. The times of him manning the tap at the keg party are over. My guess is that a good manager gets you 2 or 3 wins a season over an average one. And thats a guess. So lets get a guy in here that has the balls to give Howard a take sign, to shut Jimmy down when he starts up, to handle the pitching better. Granted Charlie had a bad bullpen to wok with but mistakes were made. Charlie is what he is…a pal, a buddy. It can be an effective management style. But not for this team anymore.

    The Dipsy

    • Ryne Duren

      July 29, 2012 at 10:29 am

      Dipsey… i’ve been saying for some time that the problem is the manager! these are the same guys basically who won more games every year for the last five years! even if there was a dropoff due to injuries or even the age factor i can’t see it being this steep! that’s one point. another is the quickest way to change a teams attitude is to change the manger. now cholly doesn’t hit or field or pitch, but what he does is as you said be a buddy! he created a mindset that is slowly eating away the team. it’s the mind set that is “this is one game we’ll get em tomorrow” that’s fine and dandy if it’s put in perspective. but it’s become a cancer on the mindset! look at how they play or their demeanor on the feild or the dugout. they look too businesslike! they think thatthey can just turn it on or just hack away . they haven’t adjusted as a team hittingwise to how they’re being pitched. and cholly is part of that problem. he hasn’t called out j-bag for his laziness running to first, and his hit em out approach at the plate!

      now the other point is the pitching, mainly the young guys in our pen. he has no idea how to manage the staff! he leaves starters in too long or in some cases (kendrick) having only 89
      pitches and mowing the other team down not long ago and we lost the game. ever since then KK has been a lousy starter. and by not runnung the kids out there he is showing them he has no confidence in them! what’s that do to their minset? it puts doubt in their minds which causes them to try to throw the ball harder thus missing and falling behind which causes them to groove one to the other team! as far as the starters. if you notice the pitchers who throw the most strikes are throwing a ton of dingers! have them leval someone once in awhile (dubee has to go also) it’s managements approach that has distorted the talent of the team and that’s where i’d start after we lose today. thentry to bolster the team with a trade or two. don’t blow it up just yet, this seasons done but we have to find out the rest of the way who wants to play philly ball and who doesn’t then in the off season do what you gotta do! and you know as well as i we’ll be behind them and still support them while they’re transforming the team back to what it should be!

    • Stuart

      July 29, 2012 at 12:17 pm

      Been saying this forever. he just doesnt work anymore for us.

  21. Ryne Duren

    July 29, 2012 at 10:58 am

    i was curious about our so called hitting guru! as a kid i don’t remember having any manuel cards . so i looked him up! here’s his lifetime guru stats.
    G .242
    AB 384
    R. 25
    H. 76
    TB. 100
    2B 24
    3B 0
    HR 4
    RBI 43

    BB 40
    SO 77
    AVE. .198
    OBP. 273
    SLG. 260

    • Ryne Duren

      July 29, 2012 at 11:04 am

      oh yea i left out his ops which would be a nifty .534! Now that is a hitting guru! and the sad part is our hitters are paying atention to his philosophy! they are becoming HIM!
      now i don’t know or really don’t care what his stats were in his japan years, but from the rumors i’ve heard he was a good power hitter! well to that i say put me in a little league park and i could be a pretty good bopper myself! who the hell gave him this hitting guru thing anyway?

  22. TheDipsy

    July 29, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Yeah, but his cred was built when he went to Japan and led the league in homers or some such rot.

    The Dipsy

  23. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    July 29, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Many feel that Cholly was dealt a bad hand with injuries, the bullpen, and the such. I understand that and I’m sympathetic to it. I always liked Cholly, but as myself and others have said, when his hitters lost their touch in Clevland his in game managerial skills were seen as lacking. Sometimes new blood and a new skipper who will take the helm and take charge invigorates a team. Cholly’s had a great run, but let’s give Sandberg a try since we are retooling anyway.
    A frustrated Ed Delahanty.

  24. Ken Bland

    July 29, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Any and all discussion of Charlie getting fired in all liklihood has a financial albatross attached to it. About a 5 million dollar albatross. That’s about how much he’s still owed on his contract.
    That’s a tough amount to swallow when you have 7 players already eating up over 100 mil toward next year’s budget (or whatever it actually is).

    I figure managerial changes typically come for one of a small list of reasons.

    – BUILD TOWARD NEXT YEAR – already alluded to with the money owed for next year, I think 3 mil. Same situation next year, same time, maybe you seriously think about a Sandberg type candidate to finish the year

    – LOSING CONTROL OF THE TEAM – While the situation doesn’t come across quite as positively as previous seasons, Charlie doesn’t appear to have actually lost control of the team. Would a new voice help? It would seem that way, but that’s awfully conjectural unless you are privvy to the actual communication.

    Regarding Sandberg, let’s assume he’s a fairly blue chip canddiate just needing an opportunity. While he’s been an obvious name to attach to make a change suggestions, he’s paid substantial dues, and knows he needs to seize the chance when it happens. He may like the organization, but if he gets a job this winter, chances seem like they would be pretty good he’d grab it. He was a viable runner up a couple places last year, so he should get a couple interviews again, and the extra year, and with an extra organization oughta broaden his candidacy. It doesn’t seem plausible that with no MLB managerial experience the Phils would promise him too much.

    I figure potential changes in about a half dozen places make it a real coin flip as to if he’ll be here when the time seems more right to make a change. Even though the competition for any manager changes would be keen, and Ryne could get left out in the cold again.

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