Halladay Tosses Three Innings In Clearwater – Phillies Nation

Halladay Tosses Three Innings In Clearwater

Doc could be nearing a return. (AP)

In his first rehab start since hitting the disabled list on May 29, Roy Halladay labored through three innings with the Clearwater Threshers.

Halladay tossed 61 pitches in the three innings, topping out with a fastball of about 91. He gave up one run, coming on an RBI double in the first inning, but settled in to strike out four without walking a batter. His velocity was between 87-91, but we shouldn’t expect it to be in top form instantly. Doc is still attempting to rebuild the strength in his shoulder, sapped by a lat strain.

It is possible that Halladay rejoins the team on their upcoming six game road trip through Colorado and Los Angeles. He would line up to pitch Tuesday on full rest against the Dodgers.

Before hitting the DL, Halladay posted a 4-5 record with a 3.98 ERA in 11 starts, numbers we’ve never seen from Halladay. At 35, it’s unlikely we see the uber-dominant Halladay of a few seasons ago; the one that threw a perfect game and a no-hitter in the same season. That said, there’s no doubt that when healthy – something he wasn’t for much of this season – Halladay is still one of the top hurlers in the game.

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  1. Lefty

    July 12, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    I hope they aren’t rushing him back. If he labored tonight in Clearwater, why would they even consider starting him against the Dodgers next Tuesday. That makes no sense at all to me. When did his Rehab clock start- today? What’s the rush?

    In my best Jim Mora impression- Playoffs? you kiddin me? Playoffs?

  2. davehist

    July 12, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    He should get at least one more rehab start before coming back to the majors. Let’s get the real Doc back, rather than a rushed-together lesser model.

  3. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    July 12, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Agree with you both. Love the Mora reference, Lefty.

  4. George

    July 12, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    I doubt that Halladay’s being rushed, except maybe by Halladay himself. Phils management isn’t going to mess around with a $20 million investment in what already looks like a lost season. If he needs another rehab start, which he probably does, he’ll get one. No sense in fans panicking prematurely.

  5. bacardipr

    July 13, 2012 at 12:24 am

    I hope he isnt rushed back. If it is Halladay rushing back the team should protect their 20 Mil investment. I rather him take a extra week or 2, than a week or two to soon. Except for there bullpen they should be back to full strength soon. I say full strength with a big question mark. Obviously Utley and Howard are still huge question marks. What;s up with Nix ?

  6. Bruce

    July 13, 2012 at 1:18 am

    I agreed with others here. It’s better to be safe than sorry. Pitching coach, Rich Dubee will certainly be monitoring closely for any telltale signs of fatique (or worst a strain) with Hallady once he is back with the team. And certainly there should be NO pressure on Halladay to join the rotation sooner than necessary. After all, the team is no longer in contention and so what if the team continues to lose games without him in rotation for a while longer.

  7. Ken Bland

    July 13, 2012 at 6:33 am

    Rushing Doc should be defined as overdoing it to get him back to 9 inning territory.

    It has zero to do with where he pitches, be it Timbucktoo, Peoria, or Citizens Bank Park.

    2-3 innings for the Big Club is of more use than any other club in the system.

    2-3 innings in Rockieland could be stressful. If they played in pitcher friendly Dodger Stadium tonight, instead, it would have made sense for him to pitch a 60 pitch start then.

    Tuesday night, Dodger Stadium, about 70-75 pitches. Seems sensible.

    Hope I spelled Timbucktoo close to correctly.

    • EricL

      July 13, 2012 at 12:18 pm

      2-3 innings with the big club is only useful to the big club if they’re quality innings. If he pitches three crap-tastic, Kyle Kendrick-type innings, then he’s doing more harm to the big club than he would were he still getting back into form in the lower levels of the system.

  8. Lefty

    July 13, 2012 at 7:08 am

    Disagree Ken, It has a lot to do with where he pitches. This isn’t about pitch count, IMO it’s about pitching in stressful situations. If he’s got 20 days, there is no need to have him pitch against the best hitters in the world while trying to get his strength and confidence back. And BTW , TIm (McCarver)-(Joe)Buck-Too is stressful on my ears.

    • Ken Bland

      July 13, 2012 at 6:13 pm

      I don’t think we disagree that much. I pointed to the stress factor in sighting the difference between pitching in Colorado and LA before I mentioned a pitch count, which is a benchmark of sorts, including if he’s laboring.

      His velocity will take a little time to get back (he was about 3-4 mph light last night), but even with that, assuming he’s healthy, I believe you’ll be pleased with the results of his next 2 starts.
      If he’s healthy and gets hit with some aggrivating authority, then you’re right to have thought of at least 1 more rehab start. Standings as they are as a factor, I like the move.

  9. schmenkman

    July 13, 2012 at 7:53 am

    “At 35, it’s unlikely we see the uber-dominant Halladay of a few seasons ago”
    First, just wanted to point out that he was quite arguably the best pitcher in the NL (and according to some national analysts, the rightful CY winner) as recently as last year.

    Also, I agree there is no reason to rush him back, and so far I don’t think they are. Tuesday in LA would be 7 weeks and 2 days (against the planned 6 to 8 weeks).

  10. Ryne Duren

    July 13, 2012 at 8:09 am

    i agree with everyone here. no reason to rush him back. the way i see it isn’t to protect their investment it’s to make sure when he takes the mound that he’s capable of winning! and from what i saw last night , he doesn’t look any better at all than when he last pitched! i realized where he was playing, the heat and all, but was it me or did he look gassed in the first inning! he looked like he was laboring the whole time . i know it was his first game. i’m sorry guys but i hate to say it , but i think there’s more to this. everyone was putting a sugarcoat on his performance. i don’t mean that ricky bo and kerrigan tried to sugarcoat. but they were questioning his volocity and i heard the same things we all heard in s.t. oh it’ll probably come back he just needs to through more! blah blah. but the looks on their faces gave it away. they didn’t want to say it because nobody want to hear it. but i’ll say it doc’s done. i hope like hell i’m wrong but i’ve said it before i saw the same stuff happenning with carlton and he never looked gassed like doc does. believe me when i say it’s only his first rehab start but his next one isn’t going to be much better. and if they bring him back too soon without the extra volocity he needs to get the bite back on his stuff… well all we’ll see is more of the pre doc DL doc.

  11. truth

    July 13, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Never doubt halladay… even with age hes still the man

  12. Manny

    July 13, 2012 at 9:45 am

    I’m sure Doc knows how to take care of himself after all these years. If he feels fine, he’ll be out there next week.

    • EricL

      July 13, 2012 at 12:23 pm

      Not so sure I agree. There are lots of extraordinarily competitive, high-level athletes that need to be protected from themselves, as they’ll stress their bodies beyond their breaking points.

      Now, I’m not saying that Halladay is this kind of athlete, but just that they exist, and that Roy is one of the more driven, self-motivated guys in all of sports, so it’s a little speculative to assert that he’ll always be the best judge of his own physical condition. And while he has been relatively healthy to this point in his career, he’s never been a 35 year old pitcher with tons of wear on his body to this point either.

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