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Phillies Strike Early to Down Reds in Finale

Everybody Kratz your hands! (AP)

The Roy Halladay you fell in love with has returned in a big way. Doc went 7 1/3 innings, striking out five and walking one in the Phillies 6-2 win over Cincinnati. They took two of three from one of the best teams in the NL, and their hot stretch in August and September continues.

Halladay was backed offensively with all six runs in just the second and third innings. Domonic Brown ended an 0-for-19 slide (which felt like 0-for-300 because of the time missed) with an opposite-field, RBI single scoring Ryan Howard.

Erik Kratz continues his quest for Phillies second half MVP. I mean, is there anyone more deserving? He continued his tear with a three-run bomb off Mike Leake in the second inning, number nine on the season for the hulking catcher.  Chase Utley added a two-run shot in the third inning off Leake, his 10th in 2012.

John Mayberry Jr. continues his second-half surge, going 2-for-4 and raising his average to .256.

The bullpen came in and did a fine job, most notably Antonio Bastardo handling the best hitter in the National League, Joey Votto. He got Votto with a knee-locking, 3-2 breaking ball in the eighth inning, sending the former league MVP back to the dugout looking stunned. That is hard to do. More of that, please.

Jonathan Papelbon came in with a five-run lead, as he had on Sunday when a very winnable game was lost in what seemed like a heartbeat. He didn’t give it all up, but he did allow one run on a Jay Bruce homer, then allowed another baserunner before ending the inning. Jeez.

Either way, a nice series against a very talented Reds squad.

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  1. DCmikey

    September 5, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    PN writers LET’S PLEASE do a breakdown of the Saves Pap has w 1 run leads and 2-3 run leads.

    You guys do amazing work and I would love it if you guys could do a story on this.

    Herndon can “save” a game w a 5 run lead right?! I really really miss our hometown guy MadDog Madson. Even if he missed all season. How great would it be if he took a 1 yr 5-6mil deal (I can dream).

    • Pat Gallen

      September 5, 2012 at 4:14 pm

      Mikey, we’ll do that for you! Great idea. He’s been weird this year man, no doubt.

    • schmenkman

      September 5, 2012 at 4:19 pm

      I agree it would be worth a story, but see this gives some info:

      2012 Summary:
      tie game (43 batters faced): 1.050 OPS against
      within 1 run (114 batters): .591 OPS
      within 2 runs (163 batters): .663 OPS
      within 3 runs (195 batters): .625 OPS
      within 4 runs (219 batters): .620 OPS

      The only situation that seems to stand out is tie games, but that’s a very small sample.

      The other split is save situations vs. non-save (again, 2012):
      save situations (136 batters): .535 OPS
      non-save sits (93 batters): .761 OPS

      So, no surprise, he’s done better in save situatinos this year.

      But that hasn’t been the case over his entire career (which includes 2012):

      save situations: .566 OPS
      non-save sits: .586 OPS

    • schmenkman

      September 5, 2012 at 4:25 pm

      I agree it would be worth a story, but this is what we see at his baseball reference page (under splits):

      In 2012:
      tie game (43 batters faced): 1.050 OPS against
      within 1 run (114 batters): .591 OPS
      within 2 runs (163 batters): .663 OPS
      within 3 runs (195 batters): .625 OPS
      within 4 runs (219 batters): .620 OPS

      The only situation that seems to stand out is tie games, but that’s a very small sample.

      The other split is save situations vs. non-save (again, 2012):

      save situations (136 batters): .535 OPS
      non-save sits (93 batters): .761 OPS

      So, no surprise, he’s done better in save situatinos this year.

      But that hasn’t been the case over his entire career (which includes 2012):

      save situations: .566 OPS
      non-save sits: .586 OPS

      • Ryne Duren

        September 5, 2012 at 5:01 pm

        hey schmenk good job as always. you should be called “statman”

      • schmenkman

        September 5, 2012 at 5:09 pm

        Thanks — they use either that or “schtatman” at another site. I’ve certainly been called worse.

  2. Dave P

    September 5, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    You could double Michael Martinez’s batting average and it’d still be awful.

    It’s pretty atrocious that he’s still in the majors with a .115 average.

    • Ryne Duren

      September 5, 2012 at 5:02 pm

      dave my motherinlaw is 97 yrs old and i’d bet money she’d have a better ave. than mary!

    • Brooks

      September 5, 2012 at 5:47 pm

      This is just mind blowing – why he is on the ML roster, why he starts any games – there has to be a reason that Cholly is not sharing with us, right?

      • schmenkman

        September 5, 2012 at 6:02 pm

        I don’t think he’s quite as bad as he’s shown this year (he certainly showed a little ability in the minors, hitting .300 in 257 AAA at bats) and when a bad player is in a slump it’s a hideous thing.

        In any case, in baseball’s long history there have been 33,000+ player seasons with 100+ plate appearances (by non-pitchers). Out of those 33,000+ seasons, Martinez’ .115 average would rank 12th lowest. He’s only at 84 PAs himself but will likely end up with over 100.

      • Brooks

        September 5, 2012 at 8:01 pm

        In 1983, the Phils had Joe Morgan who wound up having one of the most terrible years to remember but this guy had great years alas, all behind him. The Phils played him while he hit near .180 until September when Morgan caught fire and hit over .600 for the month along with an amazing slugging percentage (the little guy HAD some whack). This spurt propelled the Phils into the post season and eventually into the WS playing the Baltimore Orioles. Joe’s average wound up hitting only .230 for the year but his September fueled the Phils to a 22-7 record and the NL East.
        The only reason I bring this up is because at 39 years old, Morgan had proved himself many, many a time and with Rose & Perez on the squad, I suppose Pat Coralles and Paul Owen were hoping for something big and Red to happen, which it did – there was history there, a past, something to grasp onto – where Martinez has nothing at all and continues to play – I dont understand.


    September 5, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    I hope Kratz continues to hit for several more years. The guy is really outstanding.

  4. Brooks

    September 5, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    This 2012 team is now going to play 13 straight games vs clubs with worse records than themselves. Sounds promising doesn’t it?

    The Phils have 6 games at home, 3 vs the Rox (4 wins, 2 losses)
    3 games vs the Fish (5 wins, 7 losses)
    Then they head on to Houston for 4 games. I hate these September Astro games. The Phils are 2-0 vs Houston so far but the Astros have KILLED the Phils in September of late.
    The Phils then take on the Mets for 3, also away (Mets are leading this series convincingly 10 wins to 5).

    The Phils are 11-5 since mid August vs clubs that are going to be in the Post Season. Is there a glimmer of hope? They need to start by mopping up these bottom dwellers taking care of business in their house.

    • DavidE

      September 5, 2012 at 7:56 pm

      The post-All Star break Astros are performing as if they were the worst team in baseball history. It woud help if the Phillies had more games against them. The Astros have actually lost 51 of their last 61 games. They won 3 games in July and 5 games in August. I guess the 2 games they won in September means they are on a hot streak.

      Is there a glimmer of hope? Not really. The Cardinals have 6 more games against the Astros. How many can you expect the Cardinals to lose to that team?

    • Glutenous

      September 5, 2012 at 9:58 pm

      They need to be at least 10-3 in this stretch to bring their record up to 76-74. All the Phils can do is keep winning and home Pitt, LA and St. Louis slump.

  5. bacardipr

    September 5, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Im guessing Rube figures just let Martinez play out the season. As Scheckman pointed out he has some ability to hit in the minors. I would think he would be more in line with Valdez type of #’s. However he isnt and he’s just bad with the bat. Rube has giving him more of a chance by now. With not much to play for (outside of a small miracle) looks like they will just keep trotting him out there. Besides with Galvis out, Fontenot been released, Polly only available in emergency situations, Sheirholtz just coming back from injury, looks like Martinez somehow always finds a void to fill.

  6. bacardipr

    September 5, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    **Valdez career #’s

  7. Joey Spagna

    September 5, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    Today I consider the Phillies the luckiest team on earth.

  8. Lefty

    September 5, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    For those of you in the game day thread trying that were attempting to figure this out, let’s make it simple.

    Any combination of 18 (the magic number) wins by the top wild card competitors, or Phils losses. and the Phils are mathematically eliminated.

    It’s over people, it’s been over for a long time. But for those that want to count down the slow death it’s that simple. So far today the Phils won and St. louis lost, so it remains 18 pending the Braves game.

    • Psujoe

      September 5, 2012 at 9:13 pm

      Braves don’t matter to the Phil’s since their WC #1. Magic # with LA is 19, Pitt ?…

    • Brooks

      September 5, 2012 at 9:26 pm

      OK – we all know it but they are playing decent ball, its fun to watch again for the most part and … well, I run out of thoughts on it Lefty!

    • Lefty

      September 5, 2012 at 10:51 pm

      I’m having fun watching too. Since the trades they are really playing good ball. Addition by Subtraction? I don’t know, I’m just enjoying it.

      But I don’t need a playoff race to enjoy it. So the season ends earlier, so what- we’ll get em next year.

  9. psujoe

    September 5, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Were the heck are th Phils going to get hrs from in the off season? Terrible fa class

    • Lefty

      September 5, 2012 at 11:04 pm

      I know where they could get 31 of them ( at least so far this season) might even be 32 after tonight. Check the Rant Sports article up on the right of this page. If they won’t trade Olt maybe they’ll let Beltre go.

      • Lefty

        September 5, 2012 at 11:06 pm

        Shoot it was 29. Anyway he has the second best OPS of any third baseman this year, behind only Miguel Cabrera.

      • psujoe

        September 6, 2012 at 12:25 am

        I’ll take either one. I hate to say it, but adding Aumont and Defratus to the pen with Adams makes the pitching tops in MLB. Then we need 2 of LF, CF and 3B. I love Kratz and Frandsen and want them on the roster.

  10. Bruce

    September 6, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Nice win for the Phillies. Playing good ball of late and that is encouraging. It’s no coincidence that with their 3 and 4 hitters in the line-up, Utley and Howard, the offense is starting to produce more consistently. It also helps to have some unxpected production from August call-ups, Kratz and Frandsen. And I should mention that Halladay is looking sharper with each outing to go along with Kendrick’s streak of solid pitching.

    I can see the Phillies win at least 15 of their remaining 25 games and avoid a losing record. 🙂
    It would also give us satisfaction to see the Phillies finished ahead of the Mets in the standings.
    I certainly hope the Phillies can prevent bragging rights to the Mets as having the better record.

  11. DCmikey

    September 6, 2012 at 7:44 am

    I love it…Schtatman!!!

    When we were winning last year, we had way more postings on here.

    I have been a follower on here ever since I purchased my iPhone 2 seasons ago and bc we are “losing” people comment less. Glad to see we still have PHAITHFUL PN FOLLOWERS!!!!

    This is the best site that I go to every single night/morning for all of my Phillies reports. Since I live in the DC area and no longer in Delaware I can no longer watch the games, so thank you PN!!!

    • Brooks

      September 6, 2012 at 7:59 am

      Mikey, you should have seen the posts in 08, 09, 10 if you think last year was big. This site was at a standstill numerous times during the post season there were so many people on it.
      Aye, there are a lot of people that no longer come here that will be remembered fondly. Common point, most of us are fans of the Phils.

    • George

      September 6, 2012 at 8:03 am

      Last season, there were more comments, but just as many or even more were of the negative variety. People couldn’t shut up when the Phils lost, and many fans didn’t seem to comprehend that despite all the “bad players” and “underachievers” on the team, they were still mostly winning. All the usual suspects , like 100 RBI Howard and the slick fielding Rollins, were consistently called worthless. (They probably always will be called that.)

      At least this season, at least lately, there may be fewer comments, but more of them are optimistic, and more of them are intelligent efforts to express true concerns. I, for one, will take that!

      • Chuck A.

        September 6, 2012 at 9:21 am

        Yeah, but the give and take and the constant dialogue on this site is missing. It’s not as good as it was and I miss it. There are some days where it just feels dead on here.

      • George

        September 6, 2012 at 12:21 pm

        Chuck, the constant dialog I miss somewhat, but not all the give and take. Sometimes that give and take was more like give and give, akin to beating one’s head against the wall. I don’t at all miss the morons who had nothing positive to say, and nothing at all in the way of actual facts to back up their negativity.

  12. Don M

    September 6, 2012 at 11:09 am

    I think the novelty of the Phillies being a contender has started to get a little bit old . . . . it was easy to sepereate the “new” fans from the old ones (Though those new fans are much needed to sellout the stadium, keep the payroll high, etc) . . .

    but it’s not as “cool” to like the Phillies as it was in 09-10-11… People are jumping on the 76ers a little now . . . Eagles and Flyers always have their die-hards. .

    Me personally, I’ve only been to two games this year.. Home Opener and a June game against TB …….and with two little kids at home I haven’t been able to watch much (picked a good year to miss action I guess) . . . But i’m excited to see us staying at it, beating good teams in the 2nd half … seeing guys like Kratz, Frandsen stepping up … and looking to see who emerges from the bullpen group to try to keep a job for next season .

    I don’t think we’re far from contending again . . . for all the Rollins haters – we’re paying $11m for a top SS … people jumped the gun on calling that a bad deal by Amaro … I think it was a neccessary and fair contract …

    and I think i’ve cooled on the idea of Bourn (i’d love if we got him), but I’d rather get a lesser CF and have money for a 3b too (could you get the combo of BJ Upton and Kevin Youkilis for the $15 M per year that Bourn will command??)

  13. Ryne Duren

    September 6, 2012 at 11:29 am

    yea guys this is the best site out of all of them. what i like about this site is the guys here seem to be good lifelong fans! and there are some really good intelligent comments by quite a few of yas! and i like it cause you guys put up with my crap. i complain a lot but i truly am a fan and have been for 50 yrs now. wow. i started to follow the phils at the very beginning of the longest losing strak in baseball history 23 gms in 1962. maybe that’s why i’m such a achmuck sometimes!

    • Ryne Duren

      September 6, 2012 at 11:30 am

      i meant schmuck! lol can’t type either. told ya’s lol

      • George

        September 6, 2012 at 12:31 pm

        You’re crap isn’t exactly crap, but more like the rants of a disappointed fan. Although disagreements occur, at least you aren’t calling people names. When you start using “Koolaid drinker,” “Donnie Moron,” Ruin Tomorrow,” and other names on a regular basis, maybe then you could be called “aschmuck.” (Although AFW seems to get away with it!)

        By the way, your typing skills aren’t really any worse than some others here. I do wish you’d use the shift key once in a while, though.

      • George

        September 6, 2012 at 12:34 pm

        Note the error on MY first word! (It should be “your.”)

        Like I said, you’re typing skills aren’t really any worse than others’.

    • c schreiber

      September 6, 2012 at 9:14 pm

      1962!!!! Rookie.

  14. Don M

    September 6, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Lefty makes a great point “I don’t need a playoff race to enjoy it”….. I couldn’t agree more

    I watched them faithfully for years without even a chance of postseason play – I like the Phillies because they’re the Phillies, not because they win X amount of games, of postseason series…

    and with Halladay, Lee, Hamels there is always a chancce

  15. Brooks

    September 6, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Don, I’ve missed your commentary on this site for a bit – could be just me but I am having trouble digesting your opening comment in a previous post:
    “I think the novelty of the Phillies being a contender has started to get a little bit old”

    cough! cough!

    Not a chance my friend. Being on the top or at least in contention is a chill to the bone every year. Quite in contrast to the Eagles where hype upon hype and let down after let down.. I hear people saying the Eagles will go 4-0 in the first quarter of the season – if they make it 2-2 I would be surprised – sorry, I vent.

    Just watching good baseball is fun, regardless of who is playing but watching a good team play is anticipation, excitement and “high hopes” my friend.

    • Don M

      September 6, 2012 at 3:11 pm

      I guess what I meant by that is people weren’t just excited that the Phillies were “good” …. and I was among the exceptions there …. to me, winning 102 games last year meant we had a good season and great year- though we fell short of the ultimate goal, losing to a redhot Cardinals team.

      Same with when the Eagles made the playoffs year after year after year … to the “new fan, since their McNabb/Westbrook era” it was no longer exciting that the Eagles were just making the playoffs- they wanted more, and a down year last season seperated the diehards from the casual fan …… I’m a casual fan of all Philly sports teams except the Phillies – and my point was that the casual fan, the Phillies aren’t anything new and exciting.

      anyway… I hope to get on here more regularly – i’ve just been busy with life this year

  16. betasigmadeltashag

    September 6, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    I miss posting so much, I live in VT and have a sunday package and have been to as many games as usual. I just can not post as much due to my job situation, but I read PN just as much. I think a lot of it is that the negativeost creates more interaction and now that the team is not winning or really in the playloff race and expectations were not going to be met early on the trolls seem to stay away.
    I think there is a lot to be optimistic about next year, just like there are times mediocore players have career years at once, there can be years where good players have off years at once. And really this team has played pretty well since the All-Star break. I am not sure Fresean is an everyday 3rd baseman or if Kratz can maintain his hitting in a part time roll. I also wonder why JMJ can not hit until August.

  17. The Original Chuck P

    September 6, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    I am in the same boat as beta… as much as I would like to post more regularly, it’s just not possible because of a hefty increase that I’ve experienced in work responsibilities. I’ve never been a gameday poster – sometimes I’ll go on there to see what the nation is saying but I get frustrated by the trolls who typically post on gameday threads. I prefer the old site because it was a little bit faster – with less glitz and glam, the wait times were shorter and the content was always current. I would hear a story on the radio or via the internet and the first place I would go is PN… and it would always be updated with a short blurb… a forum to chat about the story was always there. Now, sometimes you have to post about newsworthy events in gameday threads because the stories aren’t there for a few days (if ever). Like last week when there was a group of people commenting in a Gameday Thread about Rollins benching and Howard’s subsequent comments. Every “story” doesn’t have to have a long diatribe to do its job… a short “This Just In” with a “More to follow” would be fine. But the site is most certainly the best out there and it has added some great writers over the past couple years… Jay Floyd was a great addition for the minor league news/notes and Corey does a nice job of adding a saber component.

    • George

      September 6, 2012 at 5:42 pm

      It’s likely that the writers here also have other commitments which have interfered with their stories. The “economy” has been such lately that many people are working more to make ends meet, and just don’t have the time even for a “This just in” or “More to follow” announcement. They probably have to make difficult decisions about what is the most important issue to address at any given time.

      It would be nice, of course, if Pat, Ian, Jay, and all the others had more time, but I try to appreciate what they do write, and at least can usually find some missing rumors and reports in the comments.

  18. Bruce

    September 6, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Well I guess I’ll add my comment on the ‘state of affairs’ with the PN fans (smile). I agreed with certain comments made here that there are a few who take every opportunity when the Phillies lose a game to go into a rant that is neither logical nor worthy of discussion. I prefer they take their rant to the ‘gameday’ thread where one see a lot of that.

    That said, I do enjoy reading a majority of comments here that are reasonable, interesting and informative. It’s true that there are fewer posters who commented this season (except during the period of trade deadline when many visited here and indulged as GM wannabes and expressed their desire for the Phillies to grab this player or that player).

    Like one poster here commented, the “casual’ fans have skipped this site once they realized the Phillies are no longer contenders. They are now into the football season and proclaimed themselves as Eagles ‘fans”.

    As for myself, I have just one team that I followed everyday with dedication and love for close to 60 years(!) The Phillies are my team…win or lose and believe me I have experienced many losing seasons with them (smile). I don’t totally ignore the other Philly teams but it’s just not the same in comparison with the Phillies. The other teams, I can take it or leave it with them and i guess that makes me a “casual” fan for likes of Eagles or 76’ers (smiles).

  19. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    September 6, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    I think this is the best Phillies site. I like Crasjburn Alley, but this site is still the best. There are insightful comments, funny comments, an much needed cathartic comments, but rarely any attacking comments, except from trolls. Lol. Let’s all put our positivity together and make the gods of destiny help us to that second wildcard, or at least make it close. As Han Solo once emphatically stated, “Never tell me the odds…” Go Phils!

  20. Brooks

    September 7, 2012 at 12:20 am

    The bottom line is that we all are really happy about this site. Because of people like Brian, Tim Malcom, Ian, Corey, Amanda, Pat and a host of others, we all have a chance to vent, cheer, cry, rant, suggest, plan and plot and pray (Lefty, who used to say a prayer?) … but remember, the real reason this site exists is because of the Phillies success.

    So, thanks guys, hats are tipped to you for taking the opportunity and making the best of it. And thanks to the Phaitful for responding on this site. Reality is though, if more people do not post more frequently, if the Phils continue their woes (just sayin’), the demand for PN will wane and our playground will be just a fond memory.

    Post, one and all, please post!

    • Chuck A.

      September 7, 2012 at 8:45 am

      I agree with you that this is the best site but the reality is that demand has already waned, I believe, as there is a lot of activity on other sites, one in particular. And I don’t think that at that site it will be any different if the Phillies are in first place or in the basement. Just my observation by reading some of the comments on there. It would be great to get PN back to that place again. Pat? Corey? Brian? Anyone?

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