Comparing Andy Reid and Charlie Manuel – Phillies Nation

Comparing Andy Reid and Charlie Manuel

Would Charlie be fired midseason?

I’m not saying that it is likely, or even that it isn’t likely, but we have to prepare ourselves for a situation in which Charlie Manuel gets fired the same way we had to with Andy Reid. The man has brought us a run of NL East championships and a World Series since he was hired to be the manager of the Phillies in 2005. He might be the best manager in Phillies history, and will hold a special place in the hearts of Phillies fans forever.

But it might be his time. The Phillies are on the brink of a complete overhaul with players like Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, and Jimmy Rollins–the nucleus of those great teams–getting older and older.

It might be time to start over.

It isn’t unlike the situation with the Eagles and Andy Reid. Reid struggled in his last years with the team – and if Charlie has another bad season, it could very well be the same with him.

Is Charlie on the same path as Andy?

So let’s look at Reid’s firing. In the 2012 season, his “ultimatum” season, he started off well, going 3-1. Then things fell apart and the Eagles won just one out of the next 12 and Reid was fired the day after the regular season ended.

The fans knew it was coming. The media knew it was coming. Some outlets even reported – in my opinion, erroneously – his firing minutes after the last game ended. The players even knew it was imminent.

I don’t think it’ll be like that if Charlie gets fired. If he gets fired, it’ll probably be midseason, and there will still be a lot of questions about whether or not he’ll get axed. But the fallout will be the same. A longtime manager/coach leaving a team after much success. It’ll be sad. It’ll be weird not having him as our coach.

Philadelphia’s two biggest sports teams will have had a coaching change in the same calendar year – oh, and both coaches just so happen to be the best in the history of their respective teams.

And that is why this could possibly be such a unique situation in Philadelphia.



  1. Bart Shart

    January 22, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Charlie Manuel will not get fired mid-season. He will complete the year and may step down at the end of the season to make room for Sandberg. At age 70, and preparing for 162 regular season games and spring training. Being on the road all the time and traveling when you are gettting older is not fun. He may say, “It’s time.” He will call the shots, or the Phils will make it look like that for Charlie’s sake.

  2. Bart Shart

    January 22, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Are we getting ready to welcome Delmon Young to the Phillies fold? Charlie can handle Delmon, you bet.

    • Lefty

      January 22, 2013 at 1:01 pm

      I hope not. IMO- Anything more than a minor league deal with an ST invite would be risky.

    • George

      January 22, 2013 at 1:26 pm

      I find it humorous that “sources” say the Phils are seriously considering Young, but Amaro himself only acknowledges that they’ve checked on every option still available. That doesn’t exactly sound like “serious” to me; only like “kicking tires.” Reporters! Bah!

      That said, I can’t really see much risk with Young if he’s cheap. Lots of ballplayers are jerks at times, and lots of others are inconsistent. Some of them are even both.

      As far as Manuel being canned, I doubt he will be. He may be a so-so strategist, but I’m with Bart. He’ll be allowed to call his own shots at year’s end. That is, unless he punches out Roy Halladay or deliberately sets fire to the clubhouse.

  3. Jaron B

    January 22, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    I don’t see a likely scenario in which Manuel is fired mid-season. This is the last year of the extension he signed – Reid had the Fall 2013 season left on his contract. Manuel will retire as Phils manager – that’s my prediction. Sandberg will take the reins from Charlie (after the mandatory interviews with minority candidates) in 2014.

  4. Dave

    January 22, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Manuel can’t talk, and Reid won’t talk.

  5. Anthony

    January 22, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    The BIG difference is that Charlie brought a championship to Philly, Andy did not. Charlie will not be fired. He will step aside at a time of his choosing. LOVE YA CHOLLY!

  6. Righteous Robert

    January 22, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    that should say how I feel.

    Reparations for Vietnam Vets
    Baltimore Bob

  7. rednick261

    January 23, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    I don’t see Andy and Charlie as the same. Andy drafted and developed talent, had nearly full control over the personnel of the team, and collapsed as soon as he had to adapt to already-developed talent. Aside from the clock management and in game decision problems that Reid had, his inability to work with talent that he did not personally develop is what ultimately did him in. Andy Reid was given a team full of talent that was developed elsewhere, and he was unable to manage the egos and abilities of the players to be a cohesive unit after the core of talent that he developed had gone.

    Baseball is not the same type of game because talent is developed in the minor leagues, typically long before a major league manager gets near the players. Charlie hasn’t had any control over personnel until they’re in the clubhouse, but he gets guys and makes them play well for him. Charlie has done an amazing job of balancing egos, talents, and expectations. Aging has hurt the team a lot in the past couple of years, especially on offense, and RAJ hasn’t been especially focused on getting strong bats in the midst of his pitching shopping spree. In a year where all but the starting rotation and closer was primarily staffed by players who had no business on a major league roster, and the Braves and (especially) Nationals were significantly improved within the division, Charlie still managed the team to a .500 year.

    In short, I don’t think that the comparison is fair, and Charlie Manuel is a more versatile leader than Andy Reid, and I expect that Charlie will at least be wanted back for 2014.

  8. Righteous Robert

    January 23, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Quote: Andy drafted and developed TALENT

    2008 Draft only the DirtBag that was paid $5,000,000 each for 2 TD’s in 2012
    is Left once they get rid of King Dunlap – talking 2nd roujnd pick DeSean/DeSuck.

    Andy only filled a Draft when he went behind a Bar.


    You Don’t win a Super Bowl YOU LOST
    There will be 31 LOSERS in the NFL in 2012 and EVERY Season.

    One Team will Get Lucky per 10 seasons
    The Ravens in 2000 and NO a few years ago.
    It won’t happen again to 2020.
    No Championship for any Team that NEVER won a Super Bowl.
    BOOK IT.

    MLB with No Salary Cap is BEST
    Get rid of those Salary Caps
    and a Philly Team would WIN every Year
    I guarantee It.

    ANDY REID is Responsibe for getting LeSean McCoy injured in that Loss
    We were down by 25 points with less than 3 minutes
    and Dumb Ass Andy is saying “We wer Trying to Win the Game”
    You can’t win with an IDIOT as Head Coach.
    ANDY was a Fulll Blown Idiot.

    Reparations for Vietnam Vets
    Baltimore Bob

    • rednick261

      January 24, 2013 at 12:37 am

      I think it’s difficult to argue that the 1999-2004 seasons were the best years in Eagles’ history. Andy drafted and developed Donovan McNabb who, despite his penchant for choking later in his career, was outstanding for the first several years. They had a young defense full of talented leaders. Andy Reid is, by all accounts, a players’ coach, and he had a team who played harder for him than they might have for others. But, as soon as they started trying to import talent with signings like TO, the chemistry started to come in to question, and the success dwindled. Andy controlled the development of the talent he had for his first several years and had great success (no SB ring, but close). Since the team started trying to buy outside talent, that success went away and Andy was less effective as a coach.

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