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2013 Spring Training

Phils Fall to Jays 11-6

Tyler Cloyd gave up six earned, affording the Blue Jays a lead which they never relinquished, as the Phils fell 11-6.

The Good

The Phillies put up a good effort against the reigning NL Cy Young winner R.A. Dickey, plating three in the first. Two off those came off Ryan Howard’s second homer of the Spring. Howard is now hitting .429 for the Spring. Both Chooch and Erik Kratz hit solo homers and Kevin Frandsen continued his own streak of hitting the ball well with a double. Chad Durbin pitched a scoreless eighth with two strikeouts.

Areas of Opportunity

Cloyd gave up six earned in two innings off of seven hits and one walk while starter Cliff Lee gave up three earned in three innings off of five hits. Mike Stutes and Justin Friend both gave up a run in an inning of relief.



  1. Bart Shart

    March 2, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    It is great to see Howard raking the ball. Hope he keeps it up.

    • Andrew from Waldorf

      March 2, 2013 at 8:10 pm

      He needs to slow down.

      I am trying to draft him in fantasy.

      Drafts not till the 29th.

      I need him in the 7th round.
      Slump till the reg season now please.

  2. JohnMatrix

    March 2, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    In church tomorrow, everyone give thanks that Jose Reyes is out of the NL east. Also give thanks for the Astros moving out of the NL.

  3. Chris Norton

    March 2, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Ian – I love referring to the bad as an “Area of Opportunity” ! I see a long career in politics in your future!

  4. Ryne Duren

    March 3, 2013 at 9:20 am

    last year i gushed about cloyd and that the phils should promote him. this year? after what i saw last year, and what i’ve seen so far? though it hasn’t been much of cloyd. i think it’s been enough of cloyd. for a pitcher to have an outing like his, it doesn’t seem to be very promissing. he won’t even figure in the vying for a spot on the staff. a young pitcher who’s fighting for a spot should be much better. i know it’s spring but i’m not gushing.

    • George

      March 3, 2013 at 10:48 am

      Why should a young pitcher vying for a spot be any less prone to the ups and downs of getting ready for the season? Every pitcher in ST has to find his command, his velocity, etc. Every guy in ST has been off for several months and shouldn’t be expected to be spot-on after one or two appearances.

      I’ll grant that he wasn’t great during last years short call-up, but he wasn’t horrible, either.

      Cloyd may not look very good, but give him half a chance; he’s not losing any regular season games right now.

    • brooks

      March 3, 2013 at 11:15 am

      Cloyd’s record last year in Reading and Lehigh Valley was so outstanding (15-1 combined, ERA in the low 2’s) and the year before was damn good as well (9-4 combined, ERA under 3) – I’m willing to extend the leash some. RHP and young – I too was dissapointed in what we saw last year. His ball did not seem to move much and the ML was able to pick up his game pretty quickly.
      Give him some time – if we are giving someone like Brown nearly 500 atbats in 3 seasons another chance, surely any team would look really hard before discarding a young RH starting pitcher.

    • Ken Bland

      March 3, 2013 at 12:13 pm

      One thing about Cloyd last year that sounds fair to consider is this quote from Dubee

      “Tyler did a nice job for us last year,” Dubee said. “He threw a ton of innings, so I don’t know if we saw the real good Tyler all the time because he did get up over 200 innings.”

      That said, and the quotes from about 10 days ago, he is gonna have to be showing good stuff, let alone at least some degree of decent results if he’s gonna get a chance up here. Weather conditions might have been tough to pitch in yesterday, but he got hit pretty good.

      Hard up as the Twins are for pitching, I wonder to what extent his name came up in the Revere talks. I’d be inclined to think they could have had him if they wanted (guess, of course), rather opting for Trevor May who might be a quality MLB pitcher at some point, but that’s 2 years away.

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