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Spring Training Gameday 2013: Phillies v. Rays

http://www.homerunchallenge.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Tampa-Bay-Rays-Logo.jpgTampa Bay Rays  vs Philadelphia Phillies

Time: 1:05 pm

Charlotte Sports Park Port Charlotte, FL

Weather: 64, Clear

TV: No TV today, folks. Just MLB Radio.

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John Lannan will take the hill today followed by Antonio Bastardo, Jeremy Horst, and Justin De Fratus. The Phils hitters will take on Matt Moore.

Some housekeeping items: the Phillies have released RHP Garrett Claypool, an 11th round pick from 2010, as first reported exclusively by our Jay Floyd. According to the Phillies, 2B Cesar Hernandez has been reassigned to the Lehigh Valley IronPigs, joining pitchers Tyler Cloyd, Ethan Martin, Jonathan Pettibone, B.J. Rosenberg, Mauricio Robles, and Joe Savery, catcher Sebastian Valle, and outfielder Tyson Gillies. Finally, the Phillies have finalized the assignment of Zach Collier, who will start the year with the Double-A Reading Fightin’ Phils.


1. Revere – CF

2. Frandsen – 2B

3. Young – 3B

4. Brown – RF

5. Ruf – LF

6. Ruiz – C

7. Mayberry – 1B

8. Fields – DH

9. Galvis – SS

Go Phillies!



  1. Ken Bland

    March 15, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Awesome. Brownie bats cleanup against a challenging lefty. Thanks you, Charlie. My first half goal for DB is to play well enough to make the fans feel a responsibility to react to the late publicity push that would come to get him to the all-star game. Like Chooch last year. Dom gotta do his part, but he keeps earning the chance to do that with playing time. Just do it, number 9.

    And if I’m not mistaken, the game is on Tampa television, available through MLB.com. By the time CS gets to follow another game in real time, it might be a warm day in Siberia.

    • Chris Norton

      March 15, 2013 at 8:50 pm

      Domonic is a lifetime .236 hitter. We should wait a while before we start wondering how we’re going to get him into the All Star game.

      • schmenkman

        March 15, 2013 at 9:34 pm

        Yes, we should wait, but he has also hit better through age 24 than any current Phillie, with the lone exception of Delmon Young. Using the comprehensive hitting stat wRC+, he has been a better hitter through age 24 than Rollins, Utley, M. Young, Revere, or any others with 150+ plate appearances. Howard only had 40 or so through age 24.

        Young has gone downhill in the last two years since his age 24 season (Brown has hit better than him the last two years), so if Brown can continue improving after his age 24 season, like most players do, he should be in good shape.

      • Ken Bland

        March 16, 2013 at 8:40 am

        I’m sorry that the ignorance of attaching to a lifetime batting average reflects your inability to reach for higher aspirations and recognize the sensibility of a very practical goal.

        I’m even sorrier that you decided to go pronoun on me, and use the word “we” like I’d entertain the foolishness of your visionary inability to think outside the box.

        I said it before, I’ll say it again.

        My first half goal for DB is to play well enough to make the fans feel a responsibility to react to the late publicity push that would come to get him to the all-star game. Like Chooch last year. Dom gotta do his part, but he keeps earning the chance to do that with playing time.

        That’s how we think around here. And how we’ll always think.




  2. Ken Bland

    March 15, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    You gotta have heavenly intervention to have a better 1st than Matt Moore just did. 7 pitches, 7 strikes, which for the mentally impaired, includes 3 1st pitch strikes, and 3 up 3 down. So Dom plays leadoff hitter when we go to the 2nd.

    Meanwhile, with DeWayne Staats and TODD KALAS in the Ray telecast booth, both havig graduated from The University of Harry, it’s too bad they’ll probaby stick to the game, because the stories they could tell would no doubt be great.

  3. Ken Bland

    March 15, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Excellent Phillie defense in the first. Gloveman Galvis teams with Fransden for a double play on a John “That’s My Game” Lannan induced double play grounder, then Freddy snares a liner off the bat of Longoria that took some alert reaction.

    Good stuff.

  4. Ken Bland

    March 15, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    30 some pitches for Moore in the 2nd, including Mayberry , about a 10 pitch at bat before striking out.

    Good opportunity for Galvis now with 2 on, and a run in.

  5. Ken Bland

    March 15, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    It’s only spring, and the players are different, but that sort of inning makes me wonder if the Phils might have better plate discipline this year than expected. Actually, they have to since the expectations are so low.

    Swung at 2-3 pretty outside the zone pitches from Moore, but took a lot of pitches, and sem to have shown decent plate discipline as we do a mental reconciliation of prior games.

    I guess there’s hope.

  6. Ken Bland

    March 15, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    The question around here yesterday was who, aside from Brown has impressed. Altered, and maybe a lot would be based on the spring, aside from a coming out spring from Brown, what Phil is ready to surprise.

    People talk about breakout ages, and 27-28 is often associated with the discussed person. Mayberry attracted that a couple years ago, Bennie Fresh did, Ruf gets it. And I’m wondering if John Lannan might not be a candidate to at least take it to a higher level. People have discussed KK, and how he might, but the 5 guy in the rotation has had a pretty solid spring.
    He’s certainly in a position to set the Rube bashers back a few steps. The team needs multiple guys to overachieve, but Lannan should be part of that discussion.

  7. Ken Bland

    March 15, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Mike Young doing a good job at 3rd today. 3-4 assists, including 1 nice play, catching what he’s supposed to. Shoddy start first couple games, but he’s had an adequate defensive spring.

  8. Ken Bland

    March 15, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Good job by Lannan today, giving way to DeFratus. 5 shut ’em out innings. Now the pen gets to work in a competitive game, noit a frequent spring occurence in the low scoring zone.

  9. Ken Bland

    March 15, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Couple weeks ago, someone asked about cool Phillie nicknames. Knock yourself out, courteosy Phils beat writer Chris Branch.


  10. Ken Bland

    March 15, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Onliest thing that’s gonna defend Doc Halladay at this point is good pitching, starting as early as Sunday V Baltimore.

    But for those looking to ease concerns, Dan Haren pitched for the Nats today, and had a miserable 1st inning, anchoring a poor outing V The Cardinals.

    Hius post game reaction sounds awful familiar

    “I felt like I was throwing a weighted ball,” Haren said. No physical concerns, just didn’t have anything. “I had slop out there.”

    It’s premature to say Doc will be fine. It’s not appropriate to overreact, either. We’ll see how Sunday goes, but the Doc’s last game, and I understand you could say its a trend, is not unique.

    9th inning baseball. LET”S GET SOME RUNS!!!

    • Ken Bland

      March 15, 2013 at 3:50 pm

      Davey on Dan Haren: “I didn’t need to see the radar gun. I could tell the way he was throwing.

      I was ready to go hit.”

  11. Ken Bland

    March 15, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    The Fightless Phils go 1-2-3 in the 9th, and according to usual spring custom, it looks like kissing the sister is the best we can hope for. Somehow, that doesn’t inspire much passion. I guess it depends who your sister is, or how kinky you like to get. One of the two. For the record, I got no problem with giving my caring sister a peck on the cheek. I might kiss a nun sort of sister, but those nun uniforms have always been about as inspiring as some of those old Astro uniforms.

  12. George

    March 15, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Enjoyed your final comment, Ken.

  13. Ken Bland

    March 15, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    This idea bandied about the site about working out a deal with the Diamondbacks the last couple weeks apparently is a discussion irrelavant to reality.

    From Jordan Hall this morning at CSNPhilly.com

    “As a Rule 5 selection, Inciarte’s situation is tricky. He must make the Phillies’ 25-man roster and if he doesn’t, the Phillies are forced to place him on waivers. If another team doesn’t pick him up, Inciarte is offered back to Arizona for $25,000. Only if the Diamondbacks do not take him back can the Phillies place him in the minors”

    So my interpretation of the situation is 1 of 30 other clubs are bound to put in a claim, interrupting any deal between the Phils and Diamondbacks. And he’s very appealing to a waiver claiming team not ony because of how he’s played this spring, but being short on experience, and not acquiring him as a Rule 5, they can send him to higher than Class A for the first time in his pro career and allow him to further develop in timely fashion.

    So as I see it, and I am very open to correction if I have misstated anything, he’s a Phillie only if he makes the parent club. It’s not impossible that winds up good. But it’s fact that they will be playing a guy skipping a few minor league steps, and forced to cut a pretty average,but experienced player to accomodate that.

    Youthful energy might actually be worth that, but I think it’s keep him or lose him, period.

    Am I wrong anyone?


    I’m totally unfamiliar with Jordan Hall, but have no reason NOT to think he’s credible. There’s zero mention of an ability to trade for him. .

    • Lefty

      March 15, 2013 at 9:48 pm

      I’m asking around, doesn’t seem right.

    • Lefty

      March 15, 2013 at 9:57 pm

      Early answers are telling me that Hall is correct, however very few teams claim these players because they then have to keep them on their 25 man, without having the benefit of seeing him play all spring. So usually these guys usually end up kept or offered back to the original team.

    • hk

      March 16, 2013 at 7:20 am


      “…And he’s very appealing to a waiver claiming team not only because of how he’s played this spring, but being short on experience, and not acquiring him as a Rule 5, they can send him to higher than Class A for the first time in his pro career and allow him to further develop in timely fashion.”

      I’m pretty sure that the Rule 5 qualification sticks with the player for the entire season, so any team that would acquire Inciarte from the Phils, either through trade or waiver claim, could not send him to the minors for further seasoning this year. This doesn’t mean that he would make it through waivers – a team like Houston might give him a roster spot – but it makes it more likely. Of course, like you, I may be wrong.

      • Ken Bland

        March 16, 2013 at 8:21 am

        Well, first. I was making what I thought was a reasonable assumption that a waiver claim would be separate of the original Rule 5 pick. I wasn’t speaking from knowledge, so unless we get certain confirmation that it is separate, it’s reasonable to go with a claiming team having to claim him since we are getting otherwise feedback from hk’s .

        Fact is, we’re talking about a player with limited experience, INCLUDING spring training, who
        admittedly looks quite good in the areas of skill he offers. One thing that made little sense to me was the feedback Lefty got about clubs usually not claiming these guys because they haven’t seen much of them, and the aforementioned having to keep them on the 25 man. I get the complexity of keeping the guy on the 25 man, but the not having seen them seems precarious. There aren’t many personnel secrets in this day and age, and since scouts are definitely present throughout the Cactus and G’fruit, I’d assume the guy is a known commodity, and not that I’m speaking with insight, but I’d imagine he wouldn’t get through waivers, despite the obstacles he offers with inexperience. Frankly, even with the limited time, but still seemingly good rep he’s getting, I’d expect more than Houston to be interested in a claim. We’ll see if he gets to waivers and that guess is tested.

      • hk

        March 16, 2013 at 9:16 am


        I just found the following on baseball-reference.com. The final paragraph is the key one because, if correct, it implies that the Phils can trade a player to Arizona for Inciarte and then put Inciarte in the minors.

        Any player drafted must remain on the drafting team’s 25-man roster the entire first season he is with the drafting club (This rule also changed some time in the early 1980’s. Previously the drafted player had to remain on the drafting team’s roster for the first 90 days of the season).

        At least 90 days of that first season must be maintained at “active status” (not on any disabled list). If a player cannot be active for 90 days in that first year due to a legitimate extended injury, whatever remains of the 90 day obligation MUST be met from the beginning of the following year, his 2nd season with the drafting club.

        In order to be sent to the minors in that first year (or a 2nd season extension, due to a legitimate extended injury in the first year), the player drafted under Rule 5 must be offered back to the club from which he had been drafted for a $25,000 waiver fee. Should the team from which the draftee was taken via Rule 5 not accept him back, it is the same as releasing the drafted player from that team’s interest, and the Rule 5 obligations of the drafting team cease upon that release.

        Occasionally drafting teams will return another player in lieu of the waiver fee if they wish to keep the drafted player in their organization, but send him to the minor leagues during that first year’s obligation. This effectively negates the Rule 5 draft by converting the acquisition of the Rule 5 eligible player into a trade, rather than continuing with the Rule 5 obligations of the drafting team.

      • Lefty

        March 16, 2013 at 10:52 am

        It makes little sense to you that a club would just give a guaranteed spot for a full year on a 25 man roster to a player they have not even had in their camp? Based on scouting reports?

        Oh well, it makes total sense to me, those 25 spots are too valuable to take a chance on wasting on a bad player.

        e.g; Martinez, Michael- And they got to see him through the whole camp.

      • Ken Bland

        March 16, 2013 at 10:59 am

        Okay, I digested the last paragraph. Lord knows what “occasionally” means, but I’ll accept it, however it applies.

        Seems we’re back to the original contention that the Phis can deal with Arizona if they wish to keep Inciarte, so we’re back to where we were when the idea of trading for him was first mentioned.

        I guess at the end of the day, I’m left wondering how this waiver process applies where teams can “occasionally” deal directly, but that’s more vent at the confusion of this incredible “occasiuonally” clause.

        Tis what tis, I guess.

      • Ken Bland

        March 16, 2013 at 11:04 am


        I believe I separated the two things. I get the complexity of keeping the guy on the roster, I just was not on board with the not seeing the guy part. Sure, it’s not the same as having him in your own camp, but I think all clubs have a pretty fair idea of what is in the enemy’s camp.
        In other words,I wouldn’t think Inciarte, or any prospect that pulls some eye opening play is any secret. Now how that positive impression translates to keeping a guy on the roster is indeed a trickier process.

  14. George

    March 16, 2013 at 10:10 am

    I did a little research on rule 5 after Ken posed his thoughts, and also came up with a similar interpretation to the one hk cites, although I didn’t find it on baseball reference so the wording was a little different.

    From what I read, it does appear that a team can make a trade with the pick’s original team which would remove the rule 5 status.

    The questions then become would the Phils even want Inciarte, or be willing to give up what Arizona might ask for him, or do the Phils keep him as a rule 5 and dump a more experienced player from the 25 man roster? They kept Michael Martinez, even though there were probably better guys to keep around, so who knows?

    • hk

      March 16, 2013 at 10:27 am

      I have not seen Inciarte play at all this Spring. From what you’ve seen and/or read, does his bat project for him to ever be a corner OF?

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