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2013 Gameday

Gameday: Mets (4-2) at Phillies (2-4) York Mets (4-2) vs. Philadelphia Phillies (2-4)

Matt Harvey (RHP) vs. Roy Halladay (RHP)

Time: 7:05 PM, Citizens Bank Park
Weather: Mostly Cloudy, 72
Media: Twitter and Facebook

A day after coming up just short of a second-consecutive thrilling comeback, the Phillies, behind Roy Halladay, look to defeat Matt Harvey and the Mets. Harvey, just 24, comes into Monday’s game riding high off of a victory over the Padres where he struck out 10 and walked only two while surrendering just one hit against the Padres. Harvey is a much-respected prospect after being drafted seventh overall in 2010 and was ranked as Baseball America’s 54th prospect before making his MLB debut last season.

Minor controversy headed into tonight’s game involving Erik Kratz. Kratz took responsibility for any missteps early today with the media in regards for the early struggles of the pitching staff. However, this does not align with last year, as Halladay posted a lower ERA with Kratz than he did with Chooch as his battery mate. Tonight? Kratz gets a rest and Humberto Quintero will catch Doc.

LINEUP: Revere, Rollins, Utley, Howard, Young, Brown (LF), Nix (RF), Quintero, Halladay. Beer:  Molson Canadian Light




  1. Rudy Canoza

    April 8, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Another big start for Halladay (to say the least). I’m very concerned with the corner outfield defense…it has the chance to become a real circus when Delmon Young makes his 2013 debut. The last two games were the first two home games to draw under 40,000 since 2009…plenty of seats are going for below face value on the aftermarket sites.

    • Ken Bland

      April 8, 2013 at 6:08 pm

      “The last two games were the first two home games to draw under 40,000 since 2009…plenty of seats are going for below face value on the aftermarket sites.”

      You raise what to me is an interesting subject that might not hold large appeal. I was wondering today, off the 2 just under 40K crowds over the weekend might be the crowd tonight. I’m sure the figure stuck in my mind is low, but I’ve got just under 35K stubbornly saying pick me, oh sacred chooser, pick me. If I had something at stake with the guess, I’d offer around what the first 2 games drew as the tix distributed, but decent chance of the actual bodies in the place to be just under 35K. NC2A title game won’t help, though it’s a minor factor.

      • Ken Bland

        April 9, 2013 at 12:43 pm

        Last night’s tickets distributed, which I believe is what they announce for attendance wound up just under 36K. Combined with the first (weekend games), the Phils have had roughly 13K unsold tix. The opener was a sellout, but that’s one of those sure fire deals once a year.

        While it’s early, school and weather wise, it seems reasonable to project the Phils drawing an average of 38k, which we’ll use for some speckalatin’.

        Keep in mind the many times during the 5 year run, and 7 year run of being right there with outstanding crowds, Ruben has voiced that the fans have made all this possible by supporting the club.That’s been the principal source of money that has allowed the long term deals of talent that been the core at the root of the success the Phils have had.

        Now, for the first time in several years, it’s reasonable to assume a downturn in attendance.

        It’s fair, and maybe conservative to say the Phils average ticket price is 45 dollars. It’s actually higher, but let’s say it’s the average Joe that accounts for the speculated drop, and those tix are no doubt at the lower end of the scale.

        At 45 bucks per, times 5500 empty seats per, that’s 247,500 in non collected revenues per home date. Times 81 dates, and that’s in excess of 20 million dollars the club will miss out on for reinvestment purposes. That’s a lot of scouting money, or a real good free agent that spells the difference between average and contention.

        Add to that the medium term committments, and it’s even more complex a financial picture.
        The new TV deal will no doubt help, but it’s being negotiated off an industry near high dropoff from last year.

        The monies spent seem so often taken for granted. This isn’t to point to a bleak future. But it speaks to the helluva challenge that faces the club in the beyond near term future.

  2. betasigmadeltashag

    April 8, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    I know I am in a very small majority on here, and the offense has not been a huge issue, but I would like to see a line up with JRoll leading off, I know it screw up the rest of the order, since you can not really have three or four leftys in a row, so you do not have an option at batting fifth. One option is JRoll, Utley, M Young, Howard, Brown, Rever, Katz, RFer Pitcher, the other is less feasable JRoll, M Young, Utley, Howard, JMJ, Brown, Rever, Katz, Pitcher. but maybe if Chooch hits like he did last year JRoll, M Young, Utley, Howard, Chooch, Brown, Rever, RFer, Pitcher, i like this line up if D Young shows he can still hit and play some D, and go Howard, D Young, Brown, Rever, Chooch, Pitcher. I do not have stats to prove it but I always like Jimmy inthe leadof f.

  3. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 8, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Again no Phillies feed.

    I miss Wheeler.

    If I lose my Phillies Mets better record bet this year I will be very pissed.

    But its possible.

    This phils team losing 95-100 is not out of the question.
    But then just need the Mets to lose 101

  4. Nah.Roots

    April 8, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Howard’s completely lost right now. Looking at strikes…swinging at high fastballs…is it gonna be a month till he starts producing, or does he just need to get that first homer under his belt?

  5. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 8, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    A leadoff walk and the 2,3,4 hitters ( murderers row) do their thing.

    @ Ken Bland I bet this game individualy.
    On the Phillies no less

    And with Freeman to the DL I am starting btoh Howard and Michael young this week.


  6. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 8, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Maybe if that month is in 2008?

    this has been trending a long time.

  7. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 8, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Babe Buck

    12 rbi for buck this year

  8. johnmatrix

    April 8, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Doc is done. someone who was so confident and dominant cant hit the strike zone. unreal.

  9. frank

    April 8, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    I’m concerned about doc. He looks so exhausted already. Maybe he’s just frustrated.

  10. Rudy Canoza

    April 8, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    @buster_espn: 2 years ago, Roy Halladay allowed 10 homers in 233 innings. So far this season, he’s allowed three homers in 4 2/3 innings.

  11. Jeff of Nova

    April 8, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    I think the Phillies are going to try and get what they can out of Doc this year and they will part ways… he will retire unless he solves this problem soon.

    I know they have mentioned that he lost his arm slot and may never get back to where it was if he does not he will not be good at all.

  12. Jeff of Nova

    April 8, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    I think the other thing that cannot go undiscussed and that is the absence of Chooch!

  13. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 8, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Will Doc ever get to 200?

  14. johnmatrix

    April 8, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    maybe they should send doc down. they cant keep wasting starts. the phillies are falling ever behind.

  15. Jeff of Nova

    April 8, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    He looks horrible and I am not just talking about the pitches.

  16. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 8, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    This is painful.

    and its the oldest team in the NL

  17. Jeff of Nova

    April 8, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    Come on Charlie….. no pinch hitter

  18. Jeff of Nova

    April 8, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Charlie needs to stop playing the I stick with my boys mentality… this is a team……..

    Then Revere hits into a DP cause he should have never been on 1st to begin with should have been moved over.

    Bad move Charlie

  19. glutenous

    April 8, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    I think we should all buckle up because it’s gonna be a loooooooooooooooooong season.

  20. johnmatrix

    April 8, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    i was shocked that charlie didnt make doc #1 again, and that rollins wasnt batting 1st. charlie does change some stuff

  21. Morris Buttermaker

    April 8, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    He looks worse than Joe Blanton.

  22. Jeff of Nova

    April 8, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Oh god here comes Durbin

  23. Jeff of Nova

    April 8, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    We need a DP

  24. Jeff of Nova

    April 8, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    I hate Atlanta…. but they may be the best team in baseball

  25. Morris Buttermaker

    April 8, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    Atlanta and Cincinnati are both looking good.

  26. Jeff of Nova

    April 8, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    Is there any reason Durbin is still on this team?

    • Morris Buttermaker

      April 8, 2013 at 8:53 pm

      Same reason as Laynce Nix.

      I have no idea.

      • hk

        April 9, 2013 at 6:21 am

        All off-season, when the likes of EricL and I (and others) posted comments about RAJ letting Schierholtz go for nothing, the unnecessary waste of money on Durbin and bringing in the two Youngs, we got shot down as “dissenters” and told to wait until the season to criticize. Had we waited until the season had started, I suspect we would be told that hindsight is 20/20.

        The Chad Durbins, and Laynce Nixes of the world are what you get when you unnecessarily overpay your players for past performance in contracts for their expected decline years. They are still on the team to save face for the GM and/or because the manager loves veterans.

        I was hoping that the team would start the season at 7-5 in their first 12 before playing 7 games against CIN and STL. If Lee can beat Gee and KK can beat Hefner, maybe they can take some momentum with them to Miami where hopefully Hamels and Doc can get some things straightened out.

    • aSIXdriver

      April 9, 2013 at 9:02 am

      He is another useless CHAD……who is next, Billingsly?

  27. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 8, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    This is a bad team.

    The mets are younger and scrappier.

    This phils team reminds me of the old Mets teams in 08 and 09.

    Delgado Beltran Reyes Wright.

    Every year they were going to be good and they sucked.

    Nice to see Dom Brown is popping up on 3-0 counts down 5 runs.

    Hope Howard isnt mentoring him.

    Doc sporting a nice 14.73 ERA
    No wonder he was around in the 18th round of my fantasy draft.

  28. Morris Buttermaker

    April 8, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    The Phillies new marketing campaign should focus on making people aware that if you go to the game, you don’t have to listen to their chucklehead announcers.

  29. Dylan

    April 8, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    this is not 2007 and this is not 2008 this is not even 2009. THis is 2013. 2007 we had howard rollins the mvps we had hamels who noone wanted to mess with and we had a certain “swagger” that carried us to 3 straight pen nits and a frachise best season. Today we have nothing but the same team much older looking more defeated by the day. I know its sooo early in the season, but what does the future hold. Do we really think this group can win another world series in the next 3 years?? With our age and no farm system its time to hang our hats on the great rides its been and enjoy what we have left

  30. Chris

    April 8, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    I’m getting a sinking feeling that this is just the beginning of a disastrous season.

  31. schmenkman

    April 8, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    “Maybe if that month is in 2008?
    this has been trending a long time.”

    Incorrect. He was the same hitter in 2008, 2010, and 2011, and better in 2009.

    I attribute 2012 to coming back before fully healed. We have essentially zero sample for 2013 so far.

  32. Jeff of Nova

    April 8, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    On the positive:

    Utley and Rollins are hitting the ball great Dom has hit quite well just made some inexperienced decisions like the 3-0 pop up and the dive on the ball this past weekend.

    Young had a great day yesterday.

    Revere has not really impressed me except for his speed. He has not done a great job of getting on base.. missing Worley a lot

    Howard has been pretty awful minus the last at bat where he got a sac fly RBI was a good at bat for him.

  33. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 8, 2013 at 9:11 pm


    2006 1.084
    2007 ,976
    2008 .881
    2009 .931
    2010 .859
    2011 .835
    2012 .718
    2013 .380

    I dont see how that is not a trend.

    A startling one.

    Wiht a team that doesnt even seem ablr to adjust in anyway to it.

    Except send him out there to hit 4th every day.
    And leave him in vs any lefthander.

    Just because.

  34. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 8, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    Does anyone else get that the mets are better now?

    Minus Reyes and Delgado and Beltran?

    They play hard and hustle.

    They should be losing 100 games and my bet shouldnt be in play.

    But somehow the Phillies will be the team losing 100
    With a top 5 pay roll

  35. Jeff of Nova

    April 8, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    I think the house will be cleaned out. after this season.

    RAJ will be gone
    Manual will be gone

    maybe resign Utley if he continues this way.keep Rollins Brown Howard (only because of the contract) not sure what you do with Ruiz Revere is cheap, Galvis Fransden also cheap
    dump the following
    Mayberry Nix Halladay Durbin Valdes M. Young, probably D. Young Kratz Quintero

    Maybe a trade of Lee or Paps.

  36. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 8, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    I mean who do the Phils have thats good?

    Lee and Paps and?????

    RAJ losing his job is really needed.

    Until that happens there really is no future.

    I mean we are going to hit Young 5th all year?

    Just a casual fan con google his career stats and see his decline.
    Like Howards and pretty much all the old guys.

    For me very painful to watch Doc.

    He may well be done.
    Its at least a possibility.

    Too bad its not 1998 and he could take a pill like Clemens.

  37. schmenkman

    April 8, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    @AFW, Howard declined from his career year in 2006 and still very good year in 2007.

    When you consider the declining offense level in the league (as you must), his OPS+ (i.e. OPS relative to the league) in the four years 2008-2011 was:

    125, 141, 127, 126

    Which is why I said he was the same hitter in 2008, 2010, and 2011.

    I don’t think 2012 can be reasonably considered to be part of any trend, given that he came back before having healed. Same with the 1 week of 2013.

  38. glutenous

    April 8, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Only a week into the season but man do the Phillies look very bad right now and, really, what is there to inspire any hope that they will be any better than this?

    We could be seeing the last of guys like Chase, Jimmy, and Cliff in a Phillies uniform. I think Cole will be ours, and Ryan will stay because no one will take his contract. The team could be looking to blow it all up at the deadline if this continues how it has started. This include Charlie getting sacked.

    So the next time you see Chase make an awesome play, hustle, or crack one out with that sweet compact swing, all while looking smooth as hell doing it, don’t take seeing it for granted.

    Hopefully Rubes is told to get steppin’ at the season’s end as well.

  39. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 8, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    @ Schenk I am not even gonna get into battles this year.
    The team being as bad as it is is going to be enough for all of us.

    I appreciate you are a fan just like me.

    But not admitting to a decline in Howard would be like not thinking the team has declined.
    He has effectively mirrored the decline of the entire team.

    I will not be bringing up the contract as that is 0% Howards fault.

    I sure wish youd be right and hed boost the OPS back over .900

    Chances are slim though. Thats just how things work.
    Old players decline they dont get better.

    Unless your Bonds and find some ointment and flax seed oil.

    • schmenkman

      April 8, 2013 at 9:53 pm

      Given the lower level of offense, which means that a single run counts more towards winning a game than it used to, he doesn’t have to get anywhere near a .900 OPS to be as good as he was in 2008.

  40. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 8, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Heres a legit question.

    You just start Halladay when his turn comes again?

    Can they? Will he insist on it?

  41. Jeff of Nova

    April 8, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    I mean this all speculation cause they could be totally different tomorrow.

    Cant really trash Young at this point for the Phillies he has been okay I mean Kratz/Quintero have been HORRIBLE, Nix/JR/Carrera groups sucks period.

    Howard as much as I hate his contract and he is frustrating as hell but he is a slow starter historically. He will end .250/30+/110 just maybe not in clutch.

    Maybe you put Young 2nd Rollins 5th

  42. Andrew From Waldorf

    April 8, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Im not even talking about youngs play this year.

    Only saying you go buy his baseball card and flip it over.

    And what did you expect this year?

    And this is some tough stuff to watch LOL

    Especially with me only getting the other teams feed so far this year.

  43. brooks

    April 8, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    I suppose a legitimate question to ask is; Where is that switch at anyway?
    Someone turned it off when the ST games were about done and it hasn’t come back on yet. You know the switch for hitters to start hitting – that one.

  44. Dave

    April 8, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    I’m just glad I got rid of all my extra season tickets. Demand may be pretty low come July.

  45. aSIXdriver

    April 9, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Does anyone else see in Halladay what happened to Carlton years ago? A lousy couple months with the rhetoric of “my arm is fine it is just a matter of mechanics”? I keep hearing Halladay’s problem with his “arm slot”….Far too many innings has taken it’s toll on Halladay. I think he still has the pitches to be effective, but he needs to be spot on with those pitches and limit the mistakes….should be an interesting year

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