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2013 Gameday

Gameday: Phillies (12-15) vs. Indians (11-13)

Philadelphia Phillies (12-15) vs Cleveland Indians (11-13) Cliff Lee (2-1, 3.03 ERA) v. RHP Trevor Bauer (0-1, 5.40 ERA)

TIME: 7:05, Progressive Field
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Behind Cliff Lee, the Phillies will look for redemption on Wednesday after being embarrassed by the Indians last night to the tune of a 14-2 score.  The Indians, Lee’s original major league squad, are the only team that the left-hander has never faced.  Lee came to the Phillies from Cleveland in 2009 for a haul of prospects – Carlos Carrasco, Jason Donald, Jason Knapp and Lou Marson – that has not translated into much at the major league level for the Indians.

Lee and the Cleveland offense have been trending in opposite directions of late.  The Phillies have lost Lee’s last three outings.  In his previous two, he has given up a combined eight earned runs in 12 innings of work.  Still, Lee heads into his sixth start tonight sporting an impressive 3.03 ERA and a typically brilliant 6-to-1 strikeout-to-walk ratio.

Meanwhile, the Indians offense has scored 33 runs in the last three games.  That is not a typo.  They teed off on Roy Halladay and the Phils middle relief last night, blasting seven home runs, none of which were cheap.  Outfielder Ryan Raburn has four home runs on the season, all of which have come in the last two games.  As a right-handed bat, he is sure to be in the lineup tonight against Lee.  Luckily for the Phils, Lee has had success as a stopper of sorts thus far this year.  After Halladay’s first two starts of the season, both horrendous, Lee pitched brilliantly en route to Phillies victories.

The Philadelphia offense will face Indians phenom Trevor Bauer, called up to make his sixth career start because of Cleveland’s doubleheader last Sunday.  Bauer walked seven Rays in five innings in a 6-0 loss in his only start this season, but showed better command once back in Triple-A. With Carlos Ruiz and Delmon Young in tow, the Phillies offense is finally fully intact.  Against the 22-year-old Bauer, who was the third overall pick in the 2011 MLB draft, they need to have a better showing than they did last night.

Lineup: Rollins SS, M. Young 3B, Utley 2B, Howard 1B, D. Young DH, Brown LF, Ruiz C, Nix RF, Revere CF, Lee P

beer_1221GAMEDAY BEER: Great Lakes Brewing Co. Eliot Ness

Yesterday we highlighted Great Lakes’ Dortmunder Gold.  This classic brewery, undoubtedly Cleveland’s best, is also known for its popular Eliot Ness, named in tribute to the Prohibition agent who ended his career in Cleveland.  As the legend goes, Ness frequented the establishment that originally existed in the brewery’s current home.



  1. Ken Bland

    May 1, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Think I’ve read a couple times on this site that RyHo shouldn’t play against lefties.

    I just watched him bat against a rightie.

    If you saw it, no need for additional comment.

    If you didn’t see it, it won’t be on the highlights tonight.

    • c schreiber

      May 1, 2013 at 9:02 pm

      Correct he shouldn’t start versus lefties!! You watched him bat against a rightie as I did and???

  2. CMay

    May 1, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Hey, at least the Indians did not score in the first inning….

  3. Manny

    May 1, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    I’m getting the feeling that we can only hit bad pitching… too much swinging and missing already with a rookie pitcher on the mound!

  4. Bart Shart

    May 1, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Our outfield is a poor hitting one. Our infield is an old one at every position. Our bullpen is very inconsistent, and Roy Halladay has become Joe Blanton. I need something to cheer about. Yeah Delmon Young !!! I am really searching for an ounce of optimism.

    • Rudy Canoza

      May 1, 2013 at 8:05 pm

      Just remember that the Phillies play the Mets again June 21!

      • wbramh

        May 2, 2013 at 6:23 am

        If the Mets can stay healthy, I think they may have more upside potential than the Phillies to claim 3rd place in the East by October. If nothing else, the Mets have begun rebuilding while the Phillies appear to be stuck in a netherworld. If current patterns hold, I would bet on the Phillies finishing no higher than 4th place next season. Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria will be the only sure-fire obstacle keeping the Phillies out of the cellar this year.

        Having to check the box scores hoping the Mets and Marlins lost is not the brand of Phillies baseball we were expecting to watch this summer. I grew up watching the hapless teams of the 1950s and 1960s. Even in their truly awful years, they got into bench-clearing brawls and fans knew the players and coaches were awake. Much has to change for this team to be even fun to watch, win or lose.

        It was clear that this Phillies team didn’t belong on the same field with Cleveland even with two or three of Cleveland’s stars out of the line-up. If I were an Indians fan, I’d ask for my money back sinceI would have expected to see a game between two major league teams and not an exhibition game between the Indians and a sandlot team from Philadelphia..
        What the Cleveland fans watched should have been an embarrassment to the Phillies front office.
        If not, this team’s in worse shape than we think.

      • Ken Bland

        May 2, 2013 at 8:08 am

        That’s the second time wb has told us the Mets can beat the Phillies out without mentioning an area of strength that warrants such support. Maybe we should lower the bar to allowing for a singular player name mention.

        I don’t know if it’s comedy, or demagoguary, as in trying to poke a hole in the heart of the downtrodden Phillie fan when the deths of despair cain’t be getting no lower.

        Oh, brudder.

      • wbramh

        May 2, 2013 at 1:03 pm


        Just a couple of points about why the Mets are showing promise and the Phils are not.
        There are more, but you asked for one. And please note – whileI was questioning where both clubs are right now I was primarily talking about each club’s direction.

        The Mets, despite their lousy record, have outscored their opponents 126-124. The Phillies have been outscored by 100-128.

        The Mets have a 28-24 edge in home runs over opponents.
        The Philles have a 22-33 deficit in that department.
        Those are figures that not only reflect both clubs’ big-inning power but also the strengths of their pitching staffs.

        The Phillies team leaders in batting average, HRs, RBI, OBP and hits are shared by two of the oldest (if not oldest) members of the team – Michael Young and Chase Utley – one was supposed to be a one-year fix and the other is miraculously playing on 2 bad knees.. Those same statistical leaders on the Mets are four players, two still in their 20s and the oldest is 32.

        The Mets are clearly rebuilding and have had to recover from the additional financial hole left by Bernie Madoff’s ponzi scheme. And the Phillies? Where’s the rebuilding process considering what should be a monetary advantage even counting their propensity for paying bloated salaries to underperforming players? They not only limited themselves cap-wise but did nothing to invest in their farm system – and the latter has little to do with their cap problems.

  5. CMay

    May 1, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Uh oh, now we have to score a run; this could be brutal….

  6. CMay

    May 1, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    Niiice, Revere bunts a pitch up around his neck….

    • wbramh

      May 2, 2013 at 5:55 am

      Revere would be a great player if the National League ever adopts a designated fielder rule.

  7. Glutenous

    May 1, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Maannnn it just keeps getting worse

  8. Jaron B

    May 1, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    How’s the strike zone favoring?

  9. Glutenous

    May 1, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Would you look at that. Howard robbed of extra bases. When things aren’t going your way, they just aren’t going your way. This has been the story all season long, with the exception of when they play the Mets.

  10. Ken Bland

    May 1, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    I’ve watched this game, and my mind keeps coming back to 1 thing. I don’t know what Dave Montgomery is thinking, nor do I know what he should be thinking. I don’t know what he should do, or if he has a clue what he should do. Who he listens to, or any one of a number of other possibilities.

    I suspect a good start might be a proactive posture. How should he be proactive? Hell if I know. Status quo is a bitch. Home for Miami for 4, and then a west coast trip to SF and Arizona. And a very disgruntled fan base, perhaps dwindling awaits.

    • Rudy Canoza

      May 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm

      Attendance is already trending down, and that’s the sort of thing that worries management. At some point, they need to come to the realization that this is not a contending team. They can’t keep claiming to be a good team when they’ve been below .500 over their past 215 games. That’s not a small sample size. That’s not a fluke or bad luck. It’s just the closure of that proverbial window of opportunity.

      • glutenous

        May 1, 2013 at 9:52 pm

        Couldn’t agree more. However, baseball can be funny. If the Phillies can play .500 ball through July and turn in on late, anything can happen. You never know. But even .500 ball seems like a bit of a stretch. I mean, I know Cleveland has improved but how good are they really? They just made the Phils look like a joke in two straight games. At least we’ve got kendrick in game one of the marlins series.

  11. c schreiber

    May 1, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Another called third strike with 2 outs and 2 on. This time Nix!! SWING THE FRIGGING BAT.

  12. Glutenous

    May 1, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Phillies beating up on the Mets is fool’s gold. They aren’t good. Anything less than a 3-1 series win upcoming against Miami is unnacceptable.

  13. brooks

    May 1, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Phils getting smoked by the Indians. Nothing else to be said, this is bad.

    • wbramh

      May 2, 2013 at 7:06 am

      And smoked 14-2 and 6-0 by a team missing three of its big bats.
      The Phillies lost two bats last year and had trouble scoring 20 runs in two 4-game series.

  14. glutenous

    May 1, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Difficult to watch

  15. glutenous

    May 1, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Phillies once again make a minor league spot starter look like an ace. Bad bad bad bad.

    • George

      May 2, 2013 at 10:02 am

      That spot starter also happens to be one of the higher rated pitching prospects around. It’s not like they were facing Tyler Cloyd or even Jonathan Pettibone.

  16. glutenous

    May 1, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    and you up knew it would be like this in the first inning. What should have been bases loaded with no outs ended up with diddly squat.

  17. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    May 1, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Now I know why Oedipus gouged his eyes out – it wasn’t from the incest he had committed, it was from watching the Phillies take on Cleveland Indians. Good God, this is a painful series.

  18. brooks

    May 1, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    how ugly!

    • glutenous

      May 1, 2013 at 10:15 pm

      Ugly isn’t even the word.

      • "Big Ed" Delahanty

        May 1, 2013 at 10:39 pm

        How about not capitalizing on a minor leagues pitcher who walks the lead-off batter, in almost every inning, and the the first two in the fifth! If we don’t win the series against the Marlins…Stopit, Ed, gotta think positive thoughts…

  19. c schreiber

    May 1, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    This bunch of no hitting, third strike taking, losers were beaten in the series 20 – 2 by Cleveland without their two best players in the lineup. Lee will be asking to be traded soon and can you blame him.

  20. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    May 1, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    *meant “league”
    *forgot “the” in my previous post
    My brain is dribble from this series.

  21. bacardipr

    May 1, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    A mediocre team off to a slow start this spells disaster. I can see their attendance start to plummet even at the bars patrons are telling the bar keep to change the channel.

  22. Double Trouble Del

    May 1, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Montgomery really needs to think about bringing in a “consultant” from outside the current organizational structure. The trade deadline this year will be incredibly important in terms of what minor league talent they can acquire for the likes of Lee, Adams, both Youngs and, I hate to say it, but Ruiz as well. RAJ is not competent to make those decisions for a variety of reasons.

    • wbramh

      May 2, 2013 at 7:19 am

      I wouldn’t protect any current player with the possible exceptions of Utley and Hamels.
      Hamels because you won’t find many better pitchers and Utley because somebody has to show the rookies how the game should be played.

    • George

      May 2, 2013 at 7:55 am

      Maybe it’s the consultants–i.e., scouts–who don’t know what players to trade for, sign or get rid of. Amaro might make the final decisions, but he’s not making them in a vacuum. I’m sure he gets input from others, too. People who’ve generally gotten a pass, like Pat Gillick, and maybe Montgomery himself.

    • Ken Bland

      May 2, 2013 at 8:14 am


      I wouldn’t venture the same guess. Maybe you feel you understand the workings and power structure of the organization, I go with what I know, and that’s that Pat Gillick seems to best classified as a consultant. I’m not sure you can do better than a Pat Gillick whispering in your ear, but what I mainly know about him is his rep.

      Nor do I know that Montgomery is incompetent. I just know that he seems willingto talk when things are going well. That might not be accurate or fair, but it’s just my feeling at this point that he needs to talk, or do something. Maybe I’ll complain about what he says and have a more firm feeling, but this entire situation isn’t cutting it.

      • George

        May 2, 2013 at 9:54 am

        I never said that Gillick or Montgomery are incompetent. What I said is that they provide input (particularly Montgomery, who is the one signing off on the financial side) and that perhaps some of that input has been part of the problem. Amaro is not the only one who might make a bad choice and he’s not the only one reading scouting reports. Gillick, to me, is not the God he seems to be perceived as being; after all, he’s the one who inked Adam Eaton and traded Gio Gonzalez for Freddy God-awful Garcia.

        My point is, everyone makes to blame Amaro alone for all the team’s shortcomings is a crock. He isn’t the scouting department, he doesn’t have final say over the budget, he’s not in charge of keeping players healthy, filling out the lineup card, changing pitchers, or calling for bunts. He’s not a hitting coach, or in the Phils’ case, two hitting coaches. He’s not the person who develops relievers into arson squads, and he may not even be the person who advocates signing aging veterans in an effort to please fans; that may be a P.R. thing that someone above thinks will generate revenue. Without knowing what actually goes on in the front office, I just find it disgusting that people want to single out one person for all the abuse.


  23. Bart Shart

    May 1, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    The Phillies are leaving a stinkfest in Cleveland.

    • wbramh

      May 2, 2013 at 7:22 am

      Cleveland hasn’t seen this much hot, steaming garbage in town since the day their river caught fire.

  24. frank

    May 2, 2013 at 1:17 am

    I find this unbelievable. I keep reading about beating the mets and marlin’s. They, along with the astros are the three worst teams in baseball. They could all lose 100 games. Please don’t think it is an accomplishment if they beat those teams. Without those teams, we might lose 100. Getting hope when we beat those teams is a joke.

  25. CarlG

    May 2, 2013 at 2:38 am

    Ab. Solutely. Brutal. What is the rationale for keeping RAJ on? How poorly would they have to do this year for a change to be made at the top? Miss the playoffs? Finish behind the Mets? What?

  26. teeejay

    May 2, 2013 at 5:59 am

    What a rough stretch for all the Phila. franchises, starting with last year’s Phillies.

  27. Chuck A.

    May 2, 2013 at 7:15 am

    Look at the bright side… it was a 3 – 2 road trip.

  28. Lefty

    May 2, 2013 at 7:34 am

    Look on the bright side? That’s a tough task but let’s give it a shot. We have the most expensive pitching staff in baseball and they have a collective 4.51 ERA. That’s difficult for a that a team that is hitting an OPS of .697, both numbers are 26th out of 30 teams in the majors.

    Not looking good for the home team right now. I think there is still time to get it straightened out, but not a lot. This month with it’s perilous west coast road trip, is key. If they’re ten games out on June 1st, that’s a deep hole. Last year we were 3 games over .500 on June 1st and had a disastrous month and were 9 games under .500 at the end of the month.

    My hope is we’ve already had our bad month.

    • Dave

      May 2, 2013 at 7:56 am

      After the Marlins series, they play 15 of their next 20 on the road…Giants, Dbacks, Marlins, Nats and Red Sox. Oh and the 5 games at home are against Cleveland and Cincinnati…two teams we haven’t beaten. I’m afraid we haven’t seen their bad month yet. I expect Charlie to be gone by June 1st. After that, you trade some guys at the deadline. A team with this kind of payroll and this kind of output is unacceptable.

      • George

        May 2, 2013 at 10:17 am

        The irony is that it’s those players who make up the largest part of that payroll–with the exception of Halladay–are about the only ones producing. Those “stars” might be on their last legs, but they still seem to be better than the players who might be in line to replace them.

        Unless the Phils can find a bunch of Trout/Stanton types, losing those high priced veterans right now will put them in the Astros/Marlins range. And I doubt that even a Cliff Lee would gain them a sure thing player like those two unless all Lee’s salary is eaten. That won’t really lower the so-called bloated budget.

      • Rudy Canoza

        May 2, 2013 at 1:35 pm

        There’s no irony here at all. They’re not performing at a level to which they’re being paid, which is the tightrope that you walk when you give an aging player a big deal. Ryan Howard is playing at replacement level right now, and has been for a while. Replacement level firstbaseman are not worth $25 million a year. You can get a guy to play at that level for much less money, and then use money to try to build a major league caliber outfield. Roy Halladay was not a $20 million pitcher last year, and I can assure you that he won’t be this season. If life was all swingsets and lollipops, it would be swell to pay players based on their past triumphs – but unfortunately this is a business and there’s a budget involved. It’s all about allocation of resources, and the Phillies have been a bad job of that resulting in a top heavy payroll that negatively effects their ability to fill glaring holes. That’s why they’re left with the worst outfield in baseball right now.

      • George

        May 2, 2013 at 3:55 pm

        Don’t give me your “swingsets and lollipops” crap.

        In case you didn’t notice, I never said the players were performing to their pay grade. What I said is that they’re the only ones on the team who are performing at all, unless you consider Revere at .200 or Mayberry at .230 or almost any other guy on the team not making at least a few million to be better players than Howard at .280, M. Young over .300, and Utley leading the team in RBIs. The one bad allocation of funds right now is Howard. You might argue that Utley and Halladay were bad deals, but not one expert you could name thought either signing was bad when they happened, and not one expert predicted that Utley’s knees would go, or that Halladays work ethic wouldn’t carry him through his entire contract.

        Stupid deals are made all the time, and not just by the Phils, because baseball is unpredictable and fans all think they have 20/20 hindsight. Wait a few years and see what Pujols is doing for his 1/4 billion dollars, or what the Dodgers get out of their bloated payroll. Or look right now at Toronto. Even the experts never figured that be 10 ganes out so soon, and some had them as AL East favorites.

  29. Dave

    May 2, 2013 at 7:48 am

    There was a game last night? I was watching The Hobbit on bluray. Much more entertaining and I went to bed happy.

  30. Chuck A.

    May 2, 2013 at 8:18 am

    With my “bright side” comment I was being somewhat sarcastic. Although, going into it, I was hoping for 2 of 3 from the Mets and splitting against the Tribe which would have given them that 3-2 mark. But after sweeping the Mets and seemingly having some sort of momentum (I guess not!), I was thinking 4-1. Gotta think NOTHING LESS than 3-1 vs the Stantonless Marlins.

    Yeah…I also hope we’ve had our “bad month”…which has now stretched into the beginning of May.

  31. buffy08210

    May 2, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Being a sports fan in Philly has always been close to a religion; a belief system often not based on the real world. Remember “Ya gotta believe”? Well we just have to believe in a spiteful God who will crap all over us for at least another ten years.

    • frank

      May 2, 2013 at 11:51 am

      I certainly would not blame God. Every team has to rebuilld at some point. If it is done right with really good people upstairs, the rebuild can only last a few years. But because the phillies gave away our future unnecessarily, and now keep hanging on for one more year, I can see the rebuild lasting close to what you say. First they should have started last year while cliff had more value and possibly Jimmy. I kind of think the Phil’s could have gotten as much for cliff as the mets got for Dickie. They got more than that catcher. They got another big time pitching prospect. Not only have we given away our future unnecessarily, the front office does not know when to take advantage of another teams desperate attempt to win now by giving up good prospects.

      • George

        May 2, 2013 at 12:35 pm

        Might as well blame God. Without him, players might not get old so quickly, get injured, or management might be more intelligent and not make any bad decisions.

        I’m not so sure the Phils gave away the future unnecessarily. Most the prospects given up to acquire the likes of Halladay and Lee haven’t exactly been diference makers, and I doubt five pennants in a row would have happened if those trades hadn’t been made. The one really questionable deal as far as giving up prospects unnecessarily was was the one for Hunter Pence; possibly the one for Oswalt. Where the front office has gone wrong is with the overly long extensions to aging players (something which seems to be happening now all over baseball), signing free agents for too many years, and by not getting real talent back in deals like Lee for Aumont, Gillies, etc. Another item they’ve been hurt by is their low positions in the draft, something they don’t have total control over.

        I can maybe agree, however, that they should have traded Lee last year. I say maybe, though, because I’ve never heard any names mentioned by the Dodgers when they made their waiver claim.

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