Gillies Demoted to Reading, Quintero Accepts Assignment to LV – Phillies Nation

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Slow start or Quintero’s addition? Either way, Gillies heads back to Reading.

According to Reading Fightins Director of Public Relations Eric Scarcella, CF Tyson Gillies has been demoted to Double-A Reading. Gillies, 24, has looked just short of lost in his first shot at Triple-A, hitting .148/.278/.230 in 73 PA and has been outplayed at every turn, at the plate and on the field, by outfielders Leandro Castro (.298/.322/.488, 3 HR in 88 PA), Darin Ruf (.266/.320/.489, 4 HR in 103 PA), Jermaine Mitchell (.265/.357/.510 in 56 PA), Steve Susdorf (.286/.355/.398 in 31 PA), and even sometimes-outfielder Michael Martinez (.266/.314/.297 in 70 PA). Gillies incredibly slow start is a major disappointment in what is his first season where he has not battled injuries.

In a semi-related move, Humberto Quintero has cleared waivers and has accepted his assignment to Triple-A Lehigh Valley. He will likely serve as the back-up for 21-year old Tommy Joseph, who has raised his triple-slash line to .200/.257/.354 with 3 HR. According to the Express Times’ Michael LoRe, Quintero is due to report today but has not yet been officially been added to their roster. Quintero’s assignment likely triggered the Gillies-to-Reading move but it is uncertain at this time if the Quintero move directly caused Gillies’ demotion.



  1. pamikedc

    May 4, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    It would be safe to say that when Qunitero cleared waivers and the Phillies immediately adding him back was THE reason Ty was demoted.

    “Just going out on a limb here.”

  2. bacardipr

    May 4, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Some potential with this kid but will ever materialize. Injuries on and off the field issues.

  3. pamikedc

    May 4, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Good thing that there’s no write up for this game now bc wow!!!- 1 hit through 9. Cole gave up 2 bombs. Geez! C’mon guys.

    Last chance.

  4. Bart Shart

    May 4, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Hey, how about that Freddy Galvis breaking up the no-hitter by the Marlins against the Phils this evening? Wow !!!! Some offense those Phils put out there.

  5. Betasigmadeltashag

    May 4, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    What is up with no write up. And the phillies should be able to get more than 1 hit. But Miami Hernadez had some nasty stuff 97 fastball and a nasty change and curveball. Sometimes you just need tip your hat that guy was pretty much unhittable no matter who was up there

  6. Double Trouble Del

    May 5, 2013 at 8:36 am

    Yet again, the trade that he keeps on giving. The only reason Gillies hasn’t been dumped is because it would underscore again what a joke the Lee to Mariners trade was. This is precisely why Amaro should not be making the calls at this July 31 trade deadline. What is even more scary is that the minor league scouting staff reporting to the GM can’t be replaced as well.

    • George

      May 5, 2013 at 8:56 am

      There may have been factors in the Lee trade that fans will never be aware of. Things like financial implications that Amaro was forced to act under (just because the Phils added salary in other years doesn’t mean they were ready to do that when they traded Lee). Bad trades sometimes just happen, because prospects are only that; some of them, despite high upsides, just don’t work out. I’m sure Cleveland was expecting way more out of Donald, Marson, Carrasco, and Knapp when they traded Lee.

      I do wonder at times, though, if the Phils scouting department needs a makeover. Amaro’s decisions are based on information he doesn’t collect himself, and a bit of that information seems to be inferior. They’ve seemingly given up on some guys without giving them much chance, and have given others possibly too much rope, and one can only wonder when acquisitions like Gillies seem to struggle so much.

    • Lefty

      May 5, 2013 at 10:15 am

      Prospects, like playoffs, are a crapshoot. They always have been, and always will be. Maybe one half of one percent of prospects are sure fire major leaguers. So many of the good ones develop later, and are later round picks. Look at the lineups of most teams, and check the draft status. You’ll see many late round picks there. Jose Bautista, 20th round is an extreme example, but then you have Matt Kemp- 6th round, Matt Holliday-7th round- the list goes on and on. High picks, low picks- the scouts can only measure ability, and try to measure make-up, they can’t accurately predict who will be stars or who will fail.

      Mike Trout, although he was picked in the first round, was not even the Angels first pick in 2009. They had an earlier first round pick that year, the famous Randall Grichuk. Ever heard of him? He may be good one day, but currently he’s hitting .183 in Double A Arkansas.

      It’s a crapshoot.

      • Rudy Canoza

        May 5, 2013 at 10:27 am

        I think people question the entire timeline of the Lee saga, not necessarily the prospects they received. Where was the risk in simply keeping him at well below market value ($9 million) for 2010 and letting him walk after the season? It would have eliminated the need to overpay for a Roy Oswalt in July and probably even prevented the silly Joe Blanton extension.

      • Lefty

        May 5, 2013 at 10:46 am

        Rudy, I have much respect for, and enjoy reading your comments,

        The whole world questioned that, and I did too. But think about what George just wrote about the financial implications at the time. No one knows what ownership was telling Amaro. I can absolutely see a scenario where he walks into David Montgomery’s office and says,

        **I have a chance to get Roy Halladay, he’s the greatest pitcher out there right now, and I can get him for the Philllies. Can we afford him? Can I get your blessing? And he’s told, “Sure, but we can’t afford both him and Lee. **

        We just don’t know these things, and Ruben isn’t going to blame his boss publicly if he wants to keep his job. Would you?

        Anyway, I was responding to DTD who seemed more focused on the guys we got back than the timeline.

    • Double Trouble Del

      May 5, 2013 at 12:05 pm

      I agree that trades for prospects are hit and miss however a trade with all of the implications of the Lee deal, including the public relations aspect, needed to produce more than an average reliever (Aumont). I know how early it is to think about dismantling this team but the Gillies demotion is a sobering reminder of how important this deadline will be. This front office needs to be prepared to clean house a la Red Sox-Dodgers style and they can’t be satisfied with just dumping salary. The fans of this city will support an intelligent re-building effort but the days of support for the current line-up are numbered.

      • wbramh

        May 5, 2013 at 3:15 pm

        Thank you.
        I totally agree but would add two caveats.

        Caveat #1 is that a team can only intelligently rebuild (that is, remain competitive or play baseball at a big league level that the fans appreciate, win or lose) if it has the chips to play. Otherwise the team will have to blow up its entire big league lineup to start rebuilding the farm system to the point where it’s capable of producing future Howards, Utleys, Rollins’s and Hamels’s and see that new core play simultaneously.

        Caveat #2 is that any successful rebuild, whether it’s gradual or starts with a nuke would demand a great deal of introspection by the same people who would be responsible for that rebuild. I’m not convinced that the team’s current selection of talent evaluators, from Amaro on down to the Sunday scouts, are equipped for the job. A lot of prospects have been given away in the name of faith in free agency and trades. Worse yet, few of those prospects have panned out. I say worse because it’s indicative of just how over-rated many of the team’s best hopes for the future really were.

        While the days remaining for fan support are indeed numbered, the time to start cleaning house is already a year late and the damage to the farm system is now measured in multiple years.
        I think it’s going to be a slow, steep climb no matter what the front office attempts to do in response. As a fan, I have lived through periods that looked (and smelled) just like this one; the first being the prolonged drought between 1950 and 1964; the second being the ignominious streak from1965 through 1975. Then there was ’84 through ’92 and ’94 through ’07. so we’re basically talking about a decade’s rebuild – give or take a couple of years.

        Does it have to take that long to go from worst to first? NO. The ’93 team went from worst to first in one year as did the Rays, the team the Phils beat in the series in 2008. And there are other examples. But mediocrity sometimes poses a greater problem than outright awful and that’s the tendency to underestimate what it takes to recreate a winner while allowing the hungry teams to quietly surpass you.

        The longer management remains in denial, the longer the suffering and the more empty seats.
        In one sense I shouldn’t complain since I might be able to afford a seat on some future “Half-Price Day.” Still, I’d like to be able to cheer on more than half a team.

      • George

        May 5, 2013 at 3:18 pm

        Yes, they do need to produce more than an average reliever, at least to fans who don’t realize the risky nature of trades. But if you agree that prospects are hit-or-miss, there is absolutely no predicting that they will produce much, need or not. Isn’t it likely that the Phils expected more from Aumont, more from Gillies, and more from whoever else it was they got for Lee? If things had worked out, no one would even be questioning the trade.

        And despite the recent Gillies demotion, it’s still possible he’ll be a contributor in the future. He’s certainly shown some talent between his injuries. I also haven’t heard about any off-field isdsues lately.

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