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Blown Out, Shut Out

The Phillies were blown out and shutout by the New York Mets, 8-0. They lost the series, 1-2.

Another Error Starts Another Mets Rally

In the fifth inning, Juan Lagares sent a fly ball to centerfield. It looked to be an easy catch for Ben Revere, but the ball was dropped. Actually, it was only ruled a drop by the second base umpire. The replay showed that Revere indeed made the catch, but lost the ball on the exchange. It was scored a three-base error, and Lagares started the inning on third base.

The Mets would go on to hit three doubles in the inning, giving them a 4-0 lead at the time.

Bottom line: Revere should have used two hands on the catch.

Lannan Struggles

John Lannan didn’t get the job done. He lasted only five innings, surrendering six runs on eight hits. The Mets, a typically weak hitting ball club, smacked Lannan around hitting extra base hit after extra base hit.

On the other hand, Matt Harvey controlled the Phillies, tossing six shutout innings. Harvey allowed only two hits. The Mets bullpen continued their recent success as they held the Phillies to just two hits.

Bottom line: You can’t win if you don’t score.



  1. Scooter

    June 23, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    If Montgomery’s vote of confidence in The Rube is not a headfake and it’s full-speed ahead into the pisser, that ballpark is going to be some kind of seriously empty come the playoffs. On the other hand, maybe with the impending television contract about to make the organization stupid-rich, the brass doesn’t give a hoot.

    • G7

      June 23, 2013 at 5:13 pm

      Of course it will be empty come playoffs, because the Phils wont be in the playoffs.

  2. Lefty

    June 23, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Ben Revere never uses two hands, ever.

    • EricL

      June 24, 2013 at 12:46 am

      Neither does John Mayberry

    • wbramh

      June 24, 2013 at 4:19 am

      Which may explain why Ben can catch the ball (most of the time) but can never throw it. Anybody check closely to see if he has two arms?

  3. Terence McMullen

    June 23, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Phillies better get their act together !

  4. teejvee

    June 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    these are the kinds of games that get managers fired.

    • Double Trouble Del

      June 23, 2013 at 6:29 pm

      How can you fire the manager when his starter is a 4A pitcher and his bullpen sucked in Lehigh Valley. How can fire the manager when the starting right fielder and center fielder couldn’t patrol a Little League field? how can you fire the manager when seasoned veterans can’t work a count? Just sayin…

      • Double Trouble Del

        June 23, 2013 at 6:30 pm

        Please pardon my typos but I am apoplectic at this point.

      • schmenkman

        June 23, 2013 at 11:20 pm

        …and they’re facing the best young pitcher in the game. It seems this would be one of the games least likely to lead to a manager being fired.

      • wbramh

        June 24, 2013 at 4:26 am

        Not fair.
        Perhaps you’re correct about Delmon Young, but Revere could easily run down a ball on a little league field.
        He just couldn’t toss it back to second on one hop.

        As for why you would fire the manager, I’d say to drop Charlie’s blood pressure to safer levels. He’s certainly not getting any help in that department from his players.

  5. teejvee

    June 23, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Simple. It’s baseball. You can’t fire the team so you fire the manager.
    Not fair-but it’s the way it goes.

    • Double Trouble Del

      June 23, 2013 at 7:56 pm

      if Amaro fires Manuel he might as well fire himself for compiling this group. Don’t get me wrong because I fully understand what you are saying, but is Sandberg ready to take over this team? Countless times this season he has been responsible for poor defensive positioning including twice this afternoon when Wright doubled. Even the broadcast staff had to highlight the fact that Wright has consistently hit the ball to right center in this park although twice Revere was positioned in straight away center. I really don’t think that Mr. Cub, who was never even on their radar for manager (the Cub’s manager that is), is ready to take this job. Manuel will end this season as the skipper and the team will move on from there,

      • wbramh

        June 24, 2013 at 4:57 am

        Other than Utley (and arguably Laynce Nix to the extent of his talents), this team seems to have a low baseball IQ..
        And I’m not sure who’s responsible for that.
        The dumbest ones are certainly not exclusively products of the Phillies organization yet none of them, with the possible exception of Dom Brown, seem to improve with coaching.

        There also seems to be a unspoken truth on the major league level that all serious coaching must take place on a minor league level which begs the question why major league teams carry personnel called “coaches.”

        In fact, the use of the word “manager” rather than “coach” as in other major sports implies a job focused on juggling lineups and making strategic game-time decisions rather than teaching these guys about taking pitches, running out grounders, bunting, throwing to the correct base, correcting bad habits, etc.

        I don’t see too many bad habits being corrected on this team, so either they’re dumber than the average collection of MLB players or their coaches are not doing their jobs. The cause of these recurring and basic mistakes appears rooted in something other than the limits of their natural talents.

        Yeah, some players, (like Delmon Young) may not be coachable or give a damn but I don’t believe that’s the universal issue on this team – or at least I don’t want to believe it that’s the issue. But that’s also where the managerial role needs to cross paths with the coaches. A manager should want to punch out a player who doesn’t run out a ground ball sooner than wanting to punch out a reporter for asking why no one is getting on base.

      • Ken Bland

        June 24, 2013 at 12:09 pm

        Hey wb,

        Maybe a little harsh on that D Young don’t give a hoot mentality, no? Pretty tough for a fan to read into that and be decisive.

        Little update on your well documented Mets ahead of the Phils in the standings view. Wheeler and Harvey is good. Which we pretty much knew was coming, so it’s not that big a deal. And the Mets run a maybe even better than pretty decent offense anchored by Wright and Choo Choo Coleman, but that pen is doomsday, and they won’t waste energy trying to deal to improve it.

        Now where you might be right by coincidence is if the Phils do enough overhauling by the deadline and really sacrifice this wonderful present for the future, and there’s enough attitude decelation as a result, the Mets won’t finish ahead of the Phils, but the Phils might finish behind the Mets. Realism as a backdrop, it wasn’t, isn’t and won’t be happenin.’.

      • wbramh

        June 24, 2013 at 11:25 pm

        Yo Ken,

        I’m still holding to that early prediction (or as I believe I stated, possibility) of the Mets finishing ahead of the Phils. I’ve looked like a fool (often) before and on this count I hope I look like a fool again. Right now, the team looks like it’s a bone spur in Cliff Lee’s arm or a totally cold from here on out Dom Brown (could happen) from dropping to the cellar. You can’t keep rotating in catchers, infielders and half your pitching staff from double A and expect to finish as high as 3rd place in the majors. The Mets aren’t pretty either. Just call it as Charlie might say, a hunch.

        As for Delmon, yeah, perhaps I’m being a little harsh trying to read into his core psyche but I was really turned off by his comments this spring suggesting he wasn’t at all anxious to get back on the field (and for the lame reasons he gave). I’ve just never heard that before from any professional in any sport save maybe the Sixers total waste of a second overall pick, Shawn Bradley. Even Andrew Bynum did a better job of faking sincerity.

  6. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    June 23, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Man, that was one “fugly” game. The Phil’s are wasting chances to gain. Since mid-April, they have the best record in their division: 31-29. I had to read that twice because the way they played you would have thought it would be worse. Gotta try to start a streak on this road trip, an who better to start? None other than Cliff Lee.

  7. DavidE

    June 23, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    I didn’t expect the Phillies to win today with John Lannen vs. Matt Harvey. Looked like they might score in the 4th inning but Harvey just overpowered Brown and Delmon Young. Harvey is probably the top pitcher in the league now. Regarding Revere’s play, I have never seen that called before and I have watched a lot of baseball. I thought if it was caught and lost on the exchange, its a catch. I have never studied the rule though. I am not sure what happened on the 1-2 pitch to Harvey. He has swung at 2 balls outside and at his ankles so I don’t know why that pitch was belt-high and over the plate. Lannen missed his spot really badly. If he gets Harvey out, maybe he gets out of that inning.

    Anyway, the team just has to move on. In truth, maybe they should be further out. They got more out of Cloyd than Lehigh Valley has gotten out of him. Lee has been spectacular.

  8. Brooks

    June 24, 2013 at 7:04 am

    I know there are a few of the Nation that still believe the Fightins have a chance. Even if we disregard games like yesterday – and there have been way too many of them – where the Phils are dominated by the opposing starter but when we reach the BP – the same results, a complete shutdown – lets look at the lineup and tell me what you think:
    HItting .262 and playing typical Jimmy defense, one of the best in the league. Did anyone really expect more from him offensively? Average wise no, power perhaps. Speed, he has only attempted to steal 11 bases (I don’t know why).
    Michael Young
    After a pitiful May, he is hitting .287 frankly, right where I would expect him to hit and his defense is not really killing us. Lack of power, lack of speed and a penchant for hitting into double plays (hopefully that affliction has passed!)
    Chase Utley
    Frankly, he is doing more offensively than I thought we would get out of him. Not since he came back from injury but the fact that he is even playing is a plus.
    Ryan Howard
    I still hear murmurs of his shoddy play at first, I think its more than adequate. His average now is above his career average but the lack of power and clutch hitting is too significant. We would have 3 perhaps 4 more wins if his doubles were just a little loftier.
    Dominic Brown
    Above average, above expectations. Cooled off tremendously but if the season even ended now he still might be considered our top offensive player. Defense is not killing us.
    Ben Revere
    Finally Ben is starting to show some signs of the promise when he was brought here, offensively. Defensively, he has been quite a mix – some stellar, some shoddy it seems Ben needs to learn his position better. The stories about his arm were true from the start – what arm?
    Carlos Ruiz
    So far, I’d say fail. The remainder of the rip shod catching core – fail. I love Chooch but he is not ready to play, he needs more time.
    We are seeing his best right now. Sure he has cooled off some but still this is better than I have ever seen him play especially offense.
    Demon Young
    Adios – fail
    Frandsen, Galvis, Nix – pile them altogether and you have flashes of offense at best. Nothing more. When and if they start playing regularly it brings out the .220 mediocrity. Flashes at best.
    Wonderkind – thank God for Clifford Lee.
    bust – injury, old age, combination?
    A plus, regardless of a few shoddy performances, he has been our second best starter.
    Not impressed
    Worn out, velocity is down and that is his and has been his ticket.
    Horst, Adams, Dustbin, Savery – lump them altogether – its all mediocre.
    This is our team, like it or not this is what we have for 2013. Does anyone see signs of improvement?

    • "Big Ed" Delahanty

      June 24, 2013 at 9:47 am

      There are always ways to improve, but it is the willingness to want to embrace that improvement that makes the difference, whether it is watching more film, shagging extra fly balls, trying new approaches, etc. Unfortuantely, I think that tone of approach comes from the top. Montgomery is happy with Amaro and what he has done, remember he is batting .300, and Amaro is firm and quite staunch in his resolve to not let egg hit his punum. For example, Amaro vehemently defends Delmon Young as the best choice for right field and has been quoted as saying their is no viable replacement from within the organization, and that Young is traditionally and statistically a strong finisher. That type of thinking should help explain the team’s direction. How is Mayberry not an upgrade, albeit slightly offensively, but a tremendous one defensively. Cholly is stuck between his old school loyalty to his veterans, who are struggling, and the mandates from on high, so now he is frustrated to the point that he doesn’t know what to do. (See the Eskin exchange). Plus, Pyschotron (Papeltool) is indirectly pointing fingers and that is where the team starts to unravel – the locker room blame game. I just hope that they can all clear their heads, get back to playing Phillies baseball, and use this road trip as a spark. Otherwise, the words “trade deadline” will take on a more definitive meaning.

      • Ken Bland

        June 24, 2013 at 12:02 pm

        Holy McGuillicuddy. You answered a serious analysis with a serious analysis. This team is a joke the way it’s playing. I guess more power to those that take this stuff seriously.

      • wbramh

        June 24, 2013 at 11:38 pm

        If Charlie ever gets around to actually punching Eskin it may be at the top of the 2013 highlight reel.

    • Ken Bland

      June 24, 2013 at 12:00 pm

      Should we do pleasure or business first?

      Pleasure – rock solid headline on the article. Peachy keen work.

      And Essay Man, er Brooks, sorry…


      You praised Kendrick. That’s fine. Check out his financial status and free agent status and do tell if you’d keep him, or deal him.

      The division sucks. The new AL Central of a few years back. The team is doing a yeoman’s job of fitting the standard. That, I’m impressed with.

      • brooks

        June 24, 2013 at 1:34 pm

        I don’t belive I’ve ever gone on so much so, I get a pass. Point is, we cannot expect much more out of this team the way it stands. Kendrick will get what the market gives up, which will be too much. I would think about using him to seek out a Machado type – there has to be more out there…

      • Ken Bland

        June 24, 2013 at 4:40 pm

        Seems your position is be willing to deal him. Probably smart. As he’s eligible for arb and has free agency coming up for 2015, a club could acquire him for strictly the short term if they chose, where for what he contributes, he’s pretty inexpensive. That could be worth something decent.

        I’ve spent a fair amount of time considering which Phillie might face another (actually ex) Phil in a crucial playoff spot. It’s not like this year to date is a final result, but I think if we see an at bat like that, THAT’S when this drudgery sets in at a different level. You know, like a Lee versus Utley is like a Giant-Cardinal faceoff. However it goes, it goes.

  9. Dave

    June 24, 2013 at 10:05 am

    There have been alot of lopsided losses this year. There seems to be more this year than in recent memory. I could be wrong but I don’t feel like doing the research. It seems like every few games they don’t even bother to show up and get smoked. No pride, no fire, no motivation. It’s sad really. I think they will be sellers at the deadline. Just don’t expect much in return, because the Phillies don’t have anything of value unless they sell Papelbon or Lee. I’m thinking maybe a couple of small moves. I’d like to see them cut Rollins loose though. Galvis is more than capable of playing shorstop. I think he can develop into a .260 hitter eventually. Take the money you save and get a hitter for next year.

  10. Jay

    June 24, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    None of the “Seasoned Veterans” are really making an effort to adjust to aging. Rollins is a good ballplayer who was a solid leader for the good years. If the Phils try to move him they are going to have to get pennies on the dollars bc of his contract. It makes better sense if you are going to break the senior citizen party up. We got to move Lee, Cinco Ocho. They might have to sign Chooch to a short term deal to let the young catchers develop more. An interesting move would be to see what we could get for Dom Brown. Maybe Tampa might be willing to give up David Price and Wil Myers. I say this because Price is going to cost to much money for them. Charlie said before he would love to have him. Myers is a young hitter who could play RF and Ruf could play LF.

    • hogey's role

      June 24, 2013 at 2:39 pm

      We don’t have what it would take to get price and Myers.. at this point we’re better off signing Mr steroid Manny Ramirez and playing him over delmon young

    • c. schreiber

      June 24, 2013 at 11:30 pm

      Ha, ha, ha. Really, Myers & Price for Dom Brown. Really…You couldn’t get either one in a one on one trade. Ha, ha, ha.

  11. George

    June 24, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    Even if the Phils had played errorless ball (and that includes mental errors) this game was going into the loss column. A great game for Lannan would still likely be two or three runs given up; Harvey can easily do better, even against great offenses.

    To use this particular game as an example of how bad the Phils are is just a gigantic overreaction. Maybe the team is lousy, but this game is not the one I’d single out as bad baseball.

  12. schmenkman

    June 24, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    “Bottom line: Revere should have used two hands on the catch.”

    Jamie Moyer and I agree, he should use two hands. But at some point the ball has to be transferred to the throwing hand, and I don’t really see how using two hands in catching it would have helped the transfer.

  13. Ken Bland

    June 24, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Not to attempt to rush Kyle Kendrick into the trade market, but this list of the top 28 starting pitcher trade candidates is interesting.

    First, the farcical side of it is that this isn’t black and white science. It’s an arbitrary listing that would appear based on number of times mentioned in rumors. Without question, how are a good half these guys listed better candidates to be traded than Kendrick. Some, off reputation longer term might be considered “better,” but I bet a tonof people who have seen KK pitch this year (good AND not good) could see him helping a team more down the stretch, and the short term option of right to non tender isn’t exactly bad, and he’s not necessarily gonna command super bucks through arb and eventual free agency.

    At the risk of falling into the quicksand trap that engulfs many of us fans on at least occasion of overrating the players we follow and or root for, in the overall scheme of things, I’d offer a top of the head view that KK is DRASTICALLY superior to quite a number of these guys, and if Ruben finds a GM that appreciates KK, hardly an impossible task, some worthy value could be negotiated.

    IT is NOT the end of the world if Kendrick hangs here beyond this year. But au contraire to this interesting list, though seemingly a little misleading as it is, if the hell with sell keeps turning toward sell like hell, KK oughta be a pretty marketable commodity.

    And now, for the Pig Latin portion of the readershiop.,8173,7541,9492,1636,4849,4366,739,1767,8044,6283,5203,126,9918,1451,1051,6204,9129,4138,3340,5221,5164,5523,1667,7080,4153,1994,3403

  14. teejvee

    June 24, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    The franchise right now is a complete disaster.No great young players. (If your answer to that is Dom Brown, check tape of those embarassing bloway AB’s vs a Harvey.) Nothing in the farm system. A scouting Dept that is clearly incompetent…just a very bad situation at CPB. Get ready for a few years of real bad baseball.

    • G7

      June 24, 2013 at 6:44 pm

      Not fair..Harvey blows away a lot of guys..Brown is having a breakout year!

  15. teejvee

    June 24, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    He had a breakout 2 weeks. Good hitters don’t get embarassed like he did yesterday. No clue.

    • hogey's role

      June 24, 2013 at 9:17 pm

      yeah cause its so easy to hit a 99 mph fastball

    • Lefty

      June 24, 2013 at 9:03 pm

      Even great hitters get embarrassed teejvee. I know this game is the most humbling thing I’ve ever tried.

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