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Cafardo on Papelbon: Not Available? Don’t Believe It

Jonathan Papelbon - Philadelphia PhilliesNick Cafardo weighed in on the availability of Jonathan Papelbon in his Sunday column for the Boston Globe today. He had the following to say:

The Phillies declared last week that Jonathan Papelbon was not available. Don’t believe it. Papelbon didn’t do himself any favors when he scolded teammates, saying, “To be able to win and be in the forefront of the playoff race, you have to play good fundamental baseball and do the little things, and the little things are before the pitches are thrown. There’s 150 pitches thrown by our pitchers, and before every one of those we have to make sure we’re putting ourselves in a position to be the best we can before each pitch. I’m seeing some of the same mistakes. I think for us we have to make the fundamental plays we’re supposed to make.”

Cafardo’s beliefs are in direct conflict with what Ruben Amaro Jr. said just two days ago; Amaro, at that time, declared that both Papelbon and Cliff Lee were not available.

With his third blown save of the season, and week for that matter, yesterday, you have to wonder if some of the trade talk is wearing on Papelbon. At the same time, it is refreshing to know that outside the Phillies’ bubble, others believe that Papelbon would be available should the Phillies fall out of contention. Entering today, the Phillies are 6.5 games out, the closest they have been since May 29 when they were 5.5 games out after a win at home against Boston.

8 Comments

8 Comments

  1. bigdaddy

    June 23, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Who would be the CLOSER if Pap gets traded? It would have to be “SAVES by COMMITTEE”

    • G7

      June 23, 2013 at 4:04 pm

      Who cares who the closer is on a non-playoff team..

  2. Double Trouble Del

    June 23, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    RAJ will need to wait until the deadline when teams begin to bid against one another.

  3. Jay

    June 24, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    love what Frandsen does when he gets a chance and wish they could just put him in the outfield bc he has to be better then DelMon. Revere has really picked it up and i think if we give him some more time he can live up to the hype.

    right now what do you think might happen?With the division being so mediocre the Phils will have a chance so Rube has a hard choice and this could decide his future with the Phillies. If he wants to take a chance then he has to buy bullpen arms and another bat.

    But if he wants to sell and build the team up for 2014-2015. Gotta think about moving Papelbon, Lee, Michael Young, Ruiz, Kendrick, Delmon Young, Jimmy Rollins, Dom Brown, Ryan Howard, and Chase. Basically anyone besides Cole. I know it might be wild to think about moving Dom but its not a bad idea just to see what we could get for him.

    What I think should happen:
    Papelbon to Detroit for Avisail Garcia, OF and Bruce Rondon
    – that’s a big trade bc we get a solid OF prospect and a rare bullpen arm it might look like to much but Papelbon is that good.

    Look at what Arizona and even Milwaukee did by trading pitching. The Diamondbacks moved Dan Haren and got Corbin and Skaggs. Milwaukee moved Grienke and got Jean Seguara. IF we trade Cliff it cant be for a U-Haulof prospects to replenish the minors. Pick the best prospects in either St.Louis, Arizona, Baltimore and if that team asks for the Phillies to pick up some of Lee’s salary just do it.

    With a new TV deal coming soon and with the numbers these past few years we have a chance to fix the problems that Rube created. No more giving starting pitchers these huge contracts. 5 years should be the max. A rock solid bullpen and a run producing lineup will win over dominate starting pitching. That’s what won in 2008. That’s how San Fran won, how St. Louis won.

  4. Jay

    June 24, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    It would be great to see if we start with a closer by committee and see if one of these young arms can learn what it takes to be a closer. Aumont, Dikeman, Kyle Simon the kid we picked up in the Thome deal.

    Interesting to see Franco and Ashe both doing well in the minors seems like Ashe might need to be moved to the outfield.

  5. Mike in NJ

    June 24, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Before last week, I thought we could get a pretty nice haul for Papelbon, but now, I’m not so sure.

    • George

      June 24, 2013 at 5:20 pm

      I don’t think three ble nearly the difference in the “haul” for Papelbon. His contract will be the big thing, and unless the Phils eat some of that money, I don’t see them getting anything spectacular. Teams just aren’t spending big on closers anymore.

    • Ken Bland

      June 24, 2013 at 6:08 pm

      Mike,

      Give ya a little counter thinking for your perusal, last week aside.

      Paps is good, and tradable.

      But I do think the extent to which his name is bandied about is overdone. Personally, I know the shoe fits in this potential Detroit deal because of the shortcoming their season has shown in that role. But it’s just my guess that Dombrowski and Leyland aren’t so immersed with 2 more years at 12 per for a guiy so dependent on a fast ball. I’ve never considered Paps quite as movable as the rumor mills have made him popular. You can deal him, but unless we get a last minute emotional trade, I don’t think the value coming back will be as appealing as might be expected. Not quite the blue chip trade candidate he’s pretty much made out to be, last week or not. Definitely has the pedigree though, for what that’s worth in actual ability to be effective.

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