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Pettibone Struggles; Phillies Lose Series

(Photo Credit: Tom Lynn/AP)

The Phillies were blown out by the Milwaukee Brewers, 9-1. The Brewers ended up taking the series, 3-1.  The Phillies had a chance to take advantage of a last place team this series, but failed to do so.  The Phillies are now two games below the .500 mark at 31-33.

Rough Second Inning for Pettibone

The Brewers put up a four-spot in the second inning against Jonathan Pettibone. To begin the inning, Pettibone made a fielding error. He then proceeded to give up a single and hit a batter. The mistakes proved costly as the inning was capped off by Scooter Gennett’s two-run triple. The Brewers jumped to a 4-0 lead in the second.

Pettibone later surrendered a two-run homer to Carlos Gomez in the sixth inning.

The start would be Pettibone’s worst start to this point in his major league career as he surrended a career high six runs. Four were earned.

Offense Silent

Kyle Lohse shut down the Phillies offense. He pitched 8 strong innings allowing just one run on a home run to Humberto Quintero.

Dom Brown Watch

Even the almighty Domonic Brown could not get to Lohse today.  Brown went 0-for-3, leaving two men on base today.



  1. George

    June 9, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    I’m not surprised at another loss to a last place team.

  2. Bart Shart

    June 9, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Fact is, the Phillies really stink.

  3. Ryne Duren

    June 9, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Just blow this team up please! I’m so tired of watching day in and day out the same scene. No hitting.And get this manager out of here! I’m sick of his show also. he’ totally bad as a manager.
    I heard rumor that the phils might be interested in aquiring Alex Rios? Another loser with a knack for not hitting! So what are they gonna do replace D young with a player that’s the same except he might field and run a little better? Another veteran to block another one of our young guys from coming up? these people have all got to be fired. PRONTO

    • George

      June 9, 2013 at 6:43 pm

      Rumors are not facts; in fact sometimes they’re not even based on facts but are the product od writers with noting better to do than speculate.

      Even if the front office did try to get a veteran outfileder, I really don’t know who what youngester that outfielder would block. Ruf is the only one close, and he’s not really an outfielder. The rest are either 4th outfielder types like Nix and Mayberry, or are at least a couple more seasons away. Even if that outfielder di happen to be Rios, I can’t see anything wrong with replacing D. Young and his lead feet and iron hands.

      • George

        June 9, 2013 at 6:45 pm

        I must be tired. I usually make some errors, but never quite so many.

      • Ryne Duren

        June 9, 2013 at 10:51 pm

        I for one think we have two outfielders who might be ready at AAA. Do we know if they’ll pan out? That’s the question. but either one of them are better than D. Young. Play dingleberry in center , use revere off the bench. Shut howard down and fix his damn knee. bring Ruf up to play firast. Can he hit worst than Howard? And you’re right about the rumor thing Goerge. I wasn’t basing what I said on fact. I was basing it on a fear of that rumor. I would rather see a .500 or sub .500 team ( which is what they are and going to be) try something from AAA to see what we have going forward.
        I keep hearing from a lot of beat writers and some commentors of how we are a second half team and how we’ve done it in the past. Well for one this isn’t the same team that has done that so don’t be fooled by a 5 game win streak against two stinky teams, cause we just lost 3 straight to a team supposed to be stinkier than ours. the next 3 weeks will tell.

      • George

        June 10, 2013 at 7:18 am


        I don’t know what two outfielders you’re thinking of who are “ready,” but if you want to shut down Howard and use Ruf at 1st, he certainly couldn’t be one of those outfielders. I’d have to agree, though, that just about anyone would be better than Young.

        I responded about rumors not because I felt that you take them as fact, but because you seemed overly worried about them. I always laugh at them until they’re actually backed up with action.

        I’m not fooled by the writers who claim the Phils are a second half team, and I’m also not fooled by a mere five decent games in a row. There are gigantic problems with this squad, and changes need to be made. Minor leaguers might help, but I doubt that a lot of fans would have any patience with kids. I think about how guys like Brown, or Mike Schmidt, or Kyle Kendrick were trashed consistently for their first year and sometimes longer. This year it’s Revere who has yet to be given a fair chance, and some have been down on Galvis lately.

        But whatever is done needs to be done soon. The core players have aged way faster than anyone could have imagined, and there’s little hope that they’ll ever even be adequate players now.

    • hogey's role

      June 9, 2013 at 8:34 pm

      it’s definitely time to get rid of Charlie Manuel… how long are they gonna let him run this team in the ground..

      • schmenkman

        June 9, 2013 at 11:56 pm

        Whenever Manuel leaves, it seems that Sandberg will be the heir apparent, although I would prefer that they do a thorough search of available candidates.

        In any case, if the new manager is Sandberg or someone like him, I honestly don’t see that he would do very much differently from the guy who’s “running this team into the ground”.

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 7:03 am

        Sandburg has been successful through our organization and knows our younger players.. give him the reigns now and see where he takes us… Manuel is a joke, he always has been..

      • hk

        June 10, 2013 at 7:17 am


        On what do you base your assessment of Sandberg? Have you watched him manage a lot in the minors and noticed similarities to Charlie? I would think that any new manager, unless the front office dictates otherwise, might do some of the following, which Charlie does not do:

        1. Stress defense more (e.g. bench Delmon Young).
        2. Use strict platoons when the platoon splits dictate it, so maybe if he’s not going to bench Delmon, he’ll platoon him and only use him ~30% of the time.
        3. Not be tied to Ryan Howard as his clean-up hitter.
        4. Use a smarter approach to the bullpen. Now, I grant that it’s possible that Dubee has a lot to do with which relievers are available or not, but maybe it’s time for a new pitching coach, too.

        Speaking of the bullpen, the Phils basically squandered Friday night’s game because they had to use LHP Horst to face three straight, very good hitting RHB’s in Segura, Braun and Ramirez. Where was DeFratus you ask? He was unavailable because Charlie and Dubee used him the prior two nights to protect 5-run leads. Where was Stutes you ask? He was removed earlier in the game because Charlie and Dubee didn’t want him to face a LHB despite the fact that they knew MIL would PH for the PH and that Horst would face a RHB. In other words, instead of letting Stutes face a LHB in a game in which they knew the bullpen was depleted, they pulled Stutes and made Horst face multiple RHB’s including the three best on the opposition. Hopefully, if Sandberg becomes the manager, he’ll have a little more foresight in which pitchers to use to protect large leads…if Joe Savery can’t be trusted to protect a 5-run lead, why is he on the roster? –

      • schmenkman

        June 10, 2013 at 8:07 am

        hk, I share many of these wishes for the current situation, except that if Howard is in the game, whether he bats cleanup or further down isn’t going to make a big difference. If he’s healthy, he should be in the game, and cleanup is fine. If he’s not healthy, they need to get him healthy.

        As for Sandberg, I’ve never seen him manage, so what I know of him is this:
        – I understand he’s had success managing in the minors
        – he’s been passed over for manager jobs multiple times
        – my impression of him is that he is cut from the same traditional mold as Manuel and the majority of major league managers
        – while the things you list are Manuel’s weak points, we don’t know what Sandberg’s would be — it could be a longer list, and it may overlap Manuel’s quite a bit.

        And (hogey’s role) as for Manuel being a “joke”, well, maybe that refers to his speaking style, which some people get hung up on. But he is one of the more successful managers in recent memory, and if he lasts most of this season he’ll become just the 59th manager in baseball’s long history to win 1,000 games. And of those 59, he has the 16th highest winning percentage. Not bad at all for a joke.

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 9:49 am

        you’re right Manuels numbers are good, but are his numbers based on him being a good manager or him stepping in on an up and coming team that was hungry and had the will to win… I don’t have a problem with the way he talks,I think he is knowledgeable of the game he loves to talk about the game and hitting especially.. but the calls he makes in certain situations hurts this team, he’s too loyal to some guys and not willing to take a chance with other there are to many aspects of this game that Charlie over looks… Sandburg was a hof player, that might not translate into managing but he was an incredibly smart player and like I said he knows the younger players and has their trust, might it be a coincidence that downtown Brown is breaking out because he’s comfortable and Sandburg has confidence in him, Idk but this team needs a shake up

      • schmenkman

        June 10, 2013 at 10:12 am

        I give credit for the Phillies’ success like this:

        1) talent
        2) talent
        3) talent
        4) good fortune
        5) Manuel’s management

        121) the will to win

        And I give Sandberg zero credit for Brown.

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 10:24 am

        yeah you’re probably right…
        glad I started drinking early today

      • schmenkman

        June 10, 2013 at 10:37 am

        lol, at least we agree on Delmon…

  4. DavidE

    June 9, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    I think the Phillies have to go back with Mayberry in centerfield. With his arm, he is a better defensive player than Revere and he can hit better than Revere. I think the Phillies viewed Revere as a young Richie Ashburn type who would overcome his lack of power and arm with great jumps on balls and getting on base. Revere doesn’t get on base that much and he has a propensity for hitting into double plays. I really don’t now what to do with Revere. He really hasn’t shown himself to be a major league player in his stint with the Phillies. I guess Charlie can use him off the bench sometimes.

    Regarding the play n the first inning where Ryne Sandberg sent Young in from 2nd base, sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the other team. Just a perfect throw by Aoki on that play.

    • hogey's role

      June 9, 2013 at 8:38 pm

      No leave revere in center, hit him lower in the lineup.. play Mayberry in right until we get somebody better out there.. get rid of d young already

      • hk

        June 9, 2013 at 8:46 pm

        I agree on all three points. It’s time to release Delmon and improve the OF defense, if not the offense. Unfortunately, Delmon just “earned” another $100K by making it the his 40th day on the roster, so it doesn’t look like they’re going to follow your advice any time soon.

      • hogey's role

        June 9, 2013 at 9:25 pm

        I don’t get what they see in delmon.. he’s terrible

    • Ryne Duren

      June 9, 2013 at 10:40 pm

      I agree David. problem is we’ve been doing an awful lot of hat tipping these days.

  5. c. schreiber

    June 9, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Thw P’s need to play Miami ever other series, that way they might finish over .500.

    • Lefty

      June 9, 2013 at 8:17 pm

      Don’t worry they play them again soon, let’s see .. yeah, well, September 16th, that’s only 3 months from now.

  6. DavidE

    June 9, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Just want to wish Eric Kratz a speedy recovery!

    • Ryne Duren

      June 9, 2013 at 10:56 pm

      yea same here pal. I think the Kratz injury is big cause the backup to him can’t hit a lick. even though he homered today. and lerud isn’t exactly ted williams either. I’m hoping when Chooch finally gets back he can stay healthy. At least chooch can be clutch.

  7. Ken Bland

    June 10, 2013 at 12:01 am

    I stated the opinion the otherr day that Delmon Young would not bring anything back in trade.

    I may have been leaning too far to a quick trip to gone.

    I dunno. The righty bat’s not a minus, and geez, Louise, his OPS is right there with Howard.

    Guessing what management’s thinking is tanamount to trying to cure cancer by throwing darts at a board.

    Tough, tough subject to place a guess on what will happen. .

  8. bacardipr

    June 10, 2013 at 12:38 am

    Lets not forget Aoiki.

  9. Bruce

    June 10, 2013 at 12:17 am

    Ranting is not my thing here (smile). I’m glad that Frandsen played today at 2nd base instead of Galvis. I stated before that it puzzled me why Manuel continued to put Galvis and his anemic bat in the lineup. I guess Manuel finally realized he needed another option on offense.

    Today’s game was a laughter for the Brewers as their offense was percolating with hit after hit. This team is better than their won-lost record shows or the constant reminder by our PN writers’ description of the Brewers as a “last place team”. Their offense includes a league leading hitter and basestealer (Segura), an all star power hitter (Braun) and a blossoming all around star (Gomez). Their pitching is what holding the team back. Kyle Lohse’s effort today is a positive step for Brewers. The crafty veteran had good command today especially his slider.

    I hate to admit this because I believe in and support Ryan Howard to this day. However, I’m increasingly concerned with his alarming rate of strikeouts and the power he would easily generate for long ball is not evident. I can only judge from the comfort of my recliner and watching the game on TV (smile). I may be wrong but it appears that Howard’s bat speed is not up to par and his poor judgment of the strike zone and pitch location is hurting him. With the pitch count not in Howard’s favor, the pitcher has a hugh advantage over him and are succeeding in getting him to go after a pitch out of the strike zone time and time again. I wonder if the lack of power (7 HRs) by Howard is due to a sore knee that he himself have admitted to and said it had began in Spring training? It’s like he is aging quickly before our eyes. If my judgment is accurate, that would be sad.

    • schmenkman

      June 10, 2013 at 12:42 am

      The Brewers offense is not that good. Despite Segura, Braun, and Gomez, coming into this series they were only 10th in the NL in scoring. They might be a little better than that, perhaps a middle-of-the-pack offense.. It’s true they have high average hitters, and their team batting average is 5th. But they’re also 14th in walks, so their OBP is only 9th in the NL.

      I agree in the concern about Howard, and I also hope you’re wrong. I’ll just say that the strikeouts don’t concern me nearly as much as the lack of power. He’s K-ing at a 29.9% rate this year, not much higher than his career rate of 27.9%. What is quite alarming is the lack of hitting — he’s hitting essentially the same as 2012, when he came back while still hobbled.

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 7:00 am

        The brewers offense isn’t that good but they make us look like a grasshopper team..

      • schmenkman

        June 10, 2013 at 7:28 am

        If that’s like tee ball or something, I agree. If it’s a team of insects, then I would need to see them in action.

      • schmenkman

        June 10, 2013 at 7:37 am

        Also, maybe perspectives are understandably skewed after a 9-1 shellacking, but the two teams’ offenses are not that different:

        runs per game: MIL 4.05 (9th), PHL 3.67 (11th)
        OBP: MIL .314 (9th), PHL 3.06 (10th)
        Slg Pct: MIL .407 (5th), PHL .400 (8th)

    • George

      June 10, 2013 at 7:41 am

      It appears to me that Manuel, lately, has been shuffling players quite a bit. He seems to go with what works for a couple of games, and when it stops working (as in Galvis’s lack of bat these days) he tries something else. I see nothing wrong with this approach.

      It seems to me that many times, Manuel is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. People want better defense, but most of the better defensive options don’t hit, so fans then demand better offense. Players like Howard aren’t healthy, but if he attemps to put RH power to cleanup against a lefty pitcher, about the only guy he can use with any pop is D. Young. It seems to me that he’s got an awfully difficult job. Managing a roster full of relics is not something I’d want to try. Managing a nearly worthless BP wouldn’t be my choice, either.

      The team is just lousy, and that’s not Charlie’s fault. It’s not entirely on Amaro, either. It’s a combination of premature aging, some questionable scouting and roster construction, and plain bad luck. Questionable management decisons are part of the game, but if the players aren’t performing, any management decision looks bad. When the players are performing, sometimes a lefty pitcher will confound a righty bat, sometimes a pinch hitter goes deep, and nothing gets so heavily scrutinized.

  10. Chuck A.

    June 10, 2013 at 7:12 am

    from hogey’s role above:

    “Manuel is a joke, he always has been.”

    Except for the fact that he guided this team to 5 straight divisions, 2 NL Pennants, and a title. Plus, he had them in contention in ’05 and ’06 as well. Even last season, as difficult as that was, Charlie oversaw a group that made things very interesting late into the season. In fact, I don’t think he’s had a losing season since he’s been here.

    But, yeah…other than all that…i guess you could call him a joke.

  11. TheDipsy

    June 10, 2013 at 7:49 am

    in 2008 Charlie was a good, but not great, manager for the team. Howard. Utley, and Werth could really hit. So Charlie he just turned them loose. Sometimes you don’t wanna “micromanage” a club. That 2008 team would be a good example. But this team needs more attention on offense – more hit and run, more stealing, more moving runners – things that Charlie, well he just is not that interested in doing that stuff. And Charlie has created a culture. He’s a hitter’s manager and that OK. he believes the veterans should feel secure and should have set roles and be comfortable in them. And thats OK. Those attributes are not what this team needs right. The team needs a new voice.

    Honestly, what can Charlie tell Ben Revere about anything? And pitching? Well…..Charlie’s a butcher.

    This team needs a blonde, not a brunette. Needs an acoustic guitar, not an electric one. A belt, not suspenders. i.e. It needs what Charlie doesn’t offer – In game management, DOING MORE WITH LESS. A guy that can make the whole greater than the sum of its parts. There are managers that do that. Charlie does less with more. Charlie will never outmanage anyone. He’s the guy that holds the tap at the keg party.

    BUT….its not all Charlie fault. Its probably not even mostly his fault. But he’s part of the problem.

    The Dipsy

  12. TheDipsy

    June 10, 2013 at 7:54 am

    *”right now”

    Let me be clear. Charlie is a good manager for a certain kinda teams. He deserves to be a manager in the big leagues. But “right here, right now”, he’s not the right guy. I’ve got nothing against Charlie but the team has changed – and he’s not going to adapt to manage it the way it needs to be managed.

    The Dipsy

    • Lefty

      June 10, 2013 at 12:46 pm

      Great comments, I agree with you everything you said. I wish you were still posting like the old days.

  13. JP

    June 10, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Charlie has said, “We need to hit better.” With brilliant insight like that, who needs anyone else?

    • schmenkman

      June 10, 2013 at 8:24 am

      If everyone in sports avoided saying the obvious, newspapers would be much thinner.

  14. Chuck A.

    June 10, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Dipsy – I agree with your points. As much as I love the old man, I do think that it’s time for a change. Maybe not today or next week or even next month. Let him play this season out and then move him upstairs if he wants it. This organization can certainly use Charlie Manuel in SOME capacity I would think. I think they owe him that and that it’s the right thing to do. But putting Sandberg or whoever in there for half a year really won’t prove anything in my opinion.

    • hogey's role

      June 10, 2013 at 9:58 am

      as I said above do you credit Charlies managing for those teams or do you credit the players desire to win… this team doesn’t have that same desire that same grit… some managers have the ability to turn average teams into contenders, Charlie doesn’t have that ability if the team isn’t hitting three run homers Charlie doesn’t know what to do…

  15. Mike in NJ

    June 10, 2013 at 9:51 am

    I’m all for getting rid of Charlie, but it’s not going to help unless you get rid of Rube. Just look at this roster. I don’t think anyone is going to win with the stiffs that were playing yesterday. I didn’t even watch any of the game yesterday, because I looked at that lineup and knew it was another 1-2 run output, tops.

    We need a new GM from outside the organization that has no ties to anyone on the roster, that’s not going to let sentimental ties to current players keep him from making necessary moves to get this team back on track.

    • Dave

      June 10, 2013 at 11:27 am

      One could argue that Amaro hasn’t done a darn thing to improve the roster in 2 seasons. The problems that the Phillies had last year are the same problems we have this year – offense and middle relief.

  16. Chuck A.

    June 10, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    hogey – I credit both the players AND Charlie for the recent run of success. It takes a certain style to manage a clubhouse full of all-stars and professionals and that’s basically what Charlie had for those 5 years of division crowns. But the players also did their job. The combination was good.

    But as the players on this team changes the style of play changes as well. Maybe it is now time for a new voice to go along with those newer, younger players.

    As I said, now is not the time. Let the season play out. I seriously doubt that a new manager at this juncture in the season is gonna make much of a difference.

    Also, I’ll go on record as saying that if the Phillies somehow catch real fire and make the playoffs and win at least the first round (preferably go deeper than that) then Charlie should be considered for an extension. I kinda doubt that will happen but if it does then you gotta at least give the guy SOME props.

    • hogey's role

      June 10, 2013 at 1:17 pm

      It’s time for him to go.. they let it play out last season blame it on injuries if you want every team has injuries and has to overcome them .. they need a change now it’s as simple as that…

      • Chuck A.

        June 10, 2013 at 1:58 pm

        Considering ALL the injuries last season and the fact that they were sellers at the deadline, the Phillies actually did better than I or a lot of people thought they would earlier in the year. Remember, in mid-July, right after the AS Break, they were 14 games BELOW .500. They ended up playing very well into September with a different lineup and made things interesting until that awful Astros series. You gotta credit the manager for some of that.

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 2:19 pm

        Yup and I credit him being 81-81 last year and 31-33 this year.. absolutely great job I’m glad that’s what this city wants a Shit team and a Shit manager cause that’s what we have.. they need a change they need fire Charlie is to lax

    • George

      June 10, 2013 at 2:37 pm

      Yup, the manager’s always at fault for getting a .500 record out of a team that’s lost their biggest offensive weapons for large chunks of last season, their top pitcher both this year and a large part of last year, has had to juggle a bullpen full of people like Qualls, Durbin, Sanches, Valdez and Aumont, had outfielders who couldn’t produce and a third baseman for a large portion of last season who most of the time couldn’t play, and has now lost his #1 catcher, his second baseman AGAIN, and has had his roster shored up with the likes of Delmon Young and a center fielder with no power.

      Personally, I doubt if anyone else could do as well.

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 2:44 pm

        Thank you for biting… so if it’s not his fault for the team being .500 and under then he isn’t a genius for the team winning 5 straight division titles… no he walked in on an up and coming team and rode there coat tails.. if he’s not at fault then don’t give him credit… either way they need a new voice

      • George

        June 10, 2013 at 5:02 pm

        You missed my point. What I’m saying is that any manager who’s had to deal with the problems Manuel has dealt with the past two years wouldn’t do any better. He’s taken a downright bad team and taken them to an average record. That’s not easy to do; he must be making at least some decent choices and must be motivating these players at least a little.

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 5:14 pm

        is your hair on to tight.. do you know how many games we’ve thrown away with Manuel bringing in Durbin, horst,almost,, countless others in the wrong spots… playing Galvis,d young, nix… always hitting Howard 4th he’s stubborn and old and if there’s one thing I have learned old people don’t like change and he won’t shake it up so someone else needs to..

      • George

        June 10, 2013 at 5:20 pm

        I could ask you the same. You seem to get overly worked up about everyone who gives you the slightest disagreement, and seem to invent things they haven’t said anything about. Did I ever once say that Manuel makes great decisions ALL OF THE TIME?

        I’m through with you.

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 5:28 pm

        I’m through with you huh… tough guy sounds like a Taylor swift song… lol

  17. Fritz

    June 10, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Would some team take Ryan Howard if we throw in Dom Brown?
    J Roll and D. young
    Cliff Lee and A. Bastardo
    I’m giving away my tickets and throwing out my hats.
    I just can’t watch anymore, not this year anyhow.

    • hk

      June 10, 2013 at 2:59 pm

      Yes, yes and yes, but why would the Phillies do any of those? The salary relief is just not worth it.

  18. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 10, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Throw in Mother Theresa of Calcutta.

    This is a terrible team.

    Can someone wake me up when Ruben Minaya is gone?


    Let someone tell me where would they be without Rollins?

    Theyd suck like they do now and since they signed him.

    He was a good lead off hitter in 2007

    Its now 2013 people.

    • schmenkman

      June 10, 2013 at 2:49 pm

      lol – they signed Rollins in the same off season that they signed Papelbon ($50 M/4yrs), and since then they also signed Adams ($12/2) and D. Young ($2.5-$3.5M), and traded for M. Young ($6.5 M + players). And Rollins is the one you keep harping on? Amusing.

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 3:56 pm

        I’ll agree here schmenkman… but I like papelbon it’s a lot of money but he’s lights out

  19. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 10, 2013 at 2:45 pm


    Can you write me an excuse for this partial birth abortion ( season team)?

    Can you cry me a river and tell me why a moron on a blog saw this 4 years ago?

    Will the old and crippled be hurt in 2035?

    Will Ryan Howard be swinging at balls in the dirt in 2035?

    Will people here be making excuses for them in 2035?

    Is Ryan Howard locked down till 2035?

    Did Ruben make an offer he couldn’t refuse?

    Its moot as long as we have Rollins for a feel good story.

    You all wanted him. No one else did want a lead off man with a .285 on base pct

    Its embarrassing how stupid the fans are.
    Then you realize the GM is as stupid or more stupid than just a regular fan.

    • George

      June 10, 2013 at 4:47 pm

      I refuse to cry you a river or anything else, because I was pointing out some rather obvious reasons why Manuel shouldn’t get short shrift for everything, and they happen to be some of the problems you so doggedly reiterate like injuries and age. You can’t fault Manuel for a team that’s gotten old, for a team that’s badly constructed, or for a team that’s had injuries beyond the norm. There’s more than one factor here, but I believe you can’t/shouldn’t try to blame it all o0n one person, or even two persons, as you CONSTANTLY do.

      You are so immoveable in your notions and judgements that statistics, logic, or even river crying wouldn’t make a speck of difference. I honestly believe that if God himself (if there is one) came down and told you you were a stubborn, annoying, one-track minded fool, you’d no doubt give Him an argument until He grew so disgusted you were smited.

  20. Chuck A.

    June 10, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    Yes…the Phillies were indeed 81-81 last season. In a season where they were 14 games below sea level in mid-July. Do the math, hogey. I believe they had one of the best records in the league the second half of the season?? And that’s with a few AAA players, a recovering Utley, Howard and Halladay, a banged up Ruiz. Are you saying that Charlie Manuel has nothing to do with that????

    • hogey's role

      June 10, 2013 at 2:54 pm

      You do the math Shitdick where are they now

      • Chuck A.

        June 10, 2013 at 3:00 pm

        They are 2 games below .500. If they maintain just that (.500 ball) to the AS Break they will be 12 games AHEAD of last year at the same time. There…I did the math.

        Seriously, though….I have no idea if they can turn this thing around. I guess the way I figure it is that they did last year and made it interesting until mid-Sept. So why not this year??

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 3:04 pm

        Not a chance… why be ok with mediocrity… they need to get back in it now there 8.5 back they need a change

      • Chuck A.

        June 10, 2013 at 3:12 pm

        See… I still that they CAN get back in it. They did last season. And changing managers mid-stream isn’t necessarily the answer.

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 3:29 pm

        Waiting for them to just all of a sudden click and take off isn’t the answer, as the same playing Galvis and d young isn’t the answer…

      • George

        June 10, 2013 at 5:15 pm

        hogey’s role: I resent you’re calling Chuck A . what you called him. It’s totally unneccesary and uncalled for. To me, name-calling like this, especially when it contains slurs or foul language like yours, doesn’t belong here.

        I welcomed your thoughts earlier, but not now. Please put your entire body where your mouth is–in the toilet.

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 5:30 pm

        Ooo George I love when you talk dirty to cry to your mommy

  21. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 10, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Why would anyone care if he is on some all time Phillie list?

    Oh they like to lose.

    Jimmy can get 10 million hits and homers or runs or whatever you people like.

    Contact me when someone enables them to win.

    It wont be any of your fossil relics.

    1. rollins
    3. Utley
    4. Howard

    Hey its 2006

    this is the best.

    Ruben you better extend some deals.

    Cant lose these guys.

    • schmenkman

      June 10, 2013 at 2:55 pm

      *all time MLB list. Fixed that for you.

      • Andrew from Waldorf

        June 10, 2013 at 3:01 pm

        Yea cause I watch lists.

        Can you put someone at SS who wins games?

        Adolf Hitler ? Charles Manson? Pol Pot?

        Its a bit frustrating to hear simpletons and their love affair with someone who should have been hitting 8th in 2011.

        I want OJ at SS if he will win a game.

        It is irritating to listen to the stupid say how good Rollins and Howard and Utley are.

  22. Andrew from Waldorf

    June 10, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Schenk you got Rollins.

    You are happy with him.

    Id like to win games.

    Have a guy that runs to first and all.

    You will have ceremonies for him and all.

    you won in 2008.

    That’s a blessing for all.

    • schmenkman

      June 10, 2013 at 3:02 pm

      I want to win now. That’s why I want Rollins. Some people confuse “not as good as their career year” with “no longer a very good player”.

    • hk

      June 10, 2013 at 3:03 pm


      I agree with a lot of what you say, but I’m with schmenkman on Rollins. While Rollins has not played like he did in 2007 or even 2008, he surely earned his contract last year and looks likely to do so again this year. Of all of this team’s problems and the GM’s bad moves, JRoll would seem to be way down the list. If you dumped Rollins, who would you have as your starting SS?

    • hogey's role

      June 10, 2013 at 3:43 pm

      get a clue Andrew… Rollins isn’t the problem his hr and rbi totals aren’t where they normally are and his constant lack of hustle and hot dogging it don’t help but he’s not why the team isn’t winning…

    • Double Trouble Del

      June 10, 2013 at 4:17 pm

      Before I signed on, I noted in that the Tigers may need a shortstop if Jhonny Peralta is suspended for any alleged role in the Biogenesis travesty. Send Jimmy and Papelbon and their salaries for Castelanos….or then don’t….

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 4:32 pm

        Anyway we can trade Howard and some minor leaguers and cash to Miami for Giancarlo Stanton

      • schmenkman

        June 10, 2013 at 4:47 pm

        If by “some” you mean our top 2 or 3, and if by “cash” you mean ~$90 million (what’s left on Howard’s contract), then it might be competitive with other offers Miami will entertain.

        Stanton has only played 20 games this year, and has hit .227/.341/.387 when in the lineup (i.e. about the same as M. Young). If he keeps going this way it may push his price down.

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 5:07 pm

        It may surprise you but I’d be ok paying Howard to play for someone else lol

  23. Chuck A.

    June 10, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    hogey’s role – you have a funny and creative handle (I kinda like it) and, at first,wen you started posting on here, I thought you brought up some good points. But some of what you are saying is just plain dumb. Such as the whole “Howard and minor leaguers for Stanton thing.” Seriously dude….???…

    • hogey's role

      June 10, 2013 at 5:31 pm

      It was a joke Chuck I think everyone knows we won’t get out of the Howard contract calm down

    • hogey's role

      June 10, 2013 at 5:34 pm

      Thanks for the handle compliment too Chuck

  24. Chuck A.

    June 10, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    I have a feeling that hogey’s role is really Arc…you know, that clown that posted on here back a few months ago and made a complete ass out of himself, name calling and the like. He’s the guy that had that bet with Don M and lost and said he would never post on here again..

    • hogey's role

      June 10, 2013 at 6:00 pm

      No Chuck this is my first and only name… I just found this site by looking for Phillies rumors… I’m just here to talk about the team…

      • Chuck A.

        June 10, 2013 at 6:05 pm

        Ok, fair enough. As I said earlier, you DO make some valid points (that dude Arc made none) The delivery is a little off but whatever. If everybody was the same it would be pretty boring.

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 6:13 pm

        Well I try to make points sorry about the delivery… but like I said about Charlie I like to shake it up haha

    • Lefty

      June 10, 2013 at 6:14 pm

      Arc for all his faults, wouldn’t suggest they could trade Howard minor leaguers and cash for Stanton. I’m certain Arc is still here somewhere, but IMO this guy is different.

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 6:18 pm

        Haha it was a joke but thanks lefty

  25. Chuck A.

    June 10, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    hogey, don’t worry about the delivery, man. Like I said, if everyone was the same it would be boring on here. Just be yourself. Still don’t completely agree with you on Charlie, though. I see the logic in a change when the season is over…bit not now. And, despite their issues, they CAN turn this around this year. Won’t be easy but it can be done.

    • hogey's role

      June 10, 2013 at 6:56 pm

      It can be done but I don’t see it happening without a new voice…

  26. TheDipsy

    June 10, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Personally, I would do almost anything to get 50% of Howards payroll off this team. His knee may hurt – and if it is, fix it. I don’t know what happened to this guy. His approach at the plate has just morphed over the years to the point where he is just swinging fastball all the time. And his bat has slowed where he can’t hit the better ones even when he’s ready! His batting approach is like the Benjamin Button movie – started off wise and devolved into that of a child. Its over for Ryan. He’s a blight and should be moved to sixth. Who would have the balls to do it? You Caffey? You Weinberg?

    Its all just stale. I like Hernandez and Galvis. They’re plenty OK in the middle of the infield if you can put some bats around them. I love Dom Brown though – whew. He’s the player Von Hayes was supposed to be – until he’s not 🙂

    The Dipsy

    • hogey's role

      June 10, 2013 at 7:37 pm

      I think Hernandez can hit.. Charlie just doesn’t play him so how will we know

      • G7

        June 10, 2013 at 8:08 pm

        Winning teams have strong defense up the middle..power should come from corner infield and corner outfielders..Galvis and Hernandez will probably be the middle infield until JP arrives..

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 8:20 pm

        what about Roman Quinn

      • schmenkman

        June 10, 2013 at 9:22 pm


        “JP Crawford, once he signs, will probably be the Starting Shortstop for the Williamsport Crosscutters. He’ll move to Lakewood in 2014, as Quinn moves to Clearwater. In 2015 Quinn will try his hand at Reading, while Crawford goes to Clearwater. Neither one blocks the other. Neither one forces the other to move or be traded or anything else.

        Another important point to remember is that while Crawford already plays Shortstop, that is no guarantee that’s his long term home. Crawford positions himself well and probably has enough arm for Third base. He doesn’t go to his right very well yet and, at 6’2″ he’s on the tall side for a Shortstop and could eventually grow into a Third baseman or Center/Right Fielder. Now, you move Quinn off Shortstop and 3 years down the line you might find them blocking each other in Center field instead.”

      • hogey's role

        June 10, 2013 at 9:27 pm

        I think Roman Quinn looks pretty promising hits for average and has speed

    • Double Trouble Del

      June 10, 2013 at 9:48 pm

      Ryan Howard has become Mo Vaughn. His body is breaking down on a daily basis. He needs time to recover from an ailing knee but by the time he returns from a DL stint it will be an elbow, quad or hamstring. The list is never ending. Try as I might to imagine a scenario where Howard could be unloaded I can’t, not as a salary dump, not getting a bag of balls in return. Given his condition he is a waste of a lineup spot for playoff contenders and cellar dwellers. Ryan Howard will be one Phillie who plays out his career with the franchise.

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