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Phillies Leave L.A. After Ugly Weekend

The Phillies saw Puig up close (AP)

The Phillies saw Puig up close (AP)

This weekend was mostly unfortunate for the Phillies outside of their 16-run barrage on Friday night, which happened to be the only time this season the team has eclipsed 10 runs in game.

Few things:

-Yaisel Puig certainly looks like the real deal. And it’s a damn shame he ripped on the Phils all weekend, although we’re seeing history in the making. With four hits on Sunday, Puig finished June with 44 hits, surpassing the 42 by Pittsburgh’s Bob Elliott in September 1939 for the second-most in a player’s first full calendar month in the major leagues. Joe DiMaggio had 48 in May 1936. Puig also eclipsed the Los Angeles Dodgers ‘ record for most hits in a month by a rookie, set by Steve Sax in August 1982.

-The news of Cole Hamels being pushed back is disheartening, but necessary. The guy needs to clear his head and come back against the Pirates with a strong outing.

-It’s nice to see Ben Revere hitting. His average is up to .289, so if you ripped on the guy, time to apologize.

-Ryan Howard is now 0-for-20 on this current slump, including 11 strikeouts. Do they DL him? Do they bench him? You know it’s ugly when Charlie Manuel is swapping him out in a big hitting situation for Kevin Frandsen.




  1. Double Trouble Del

    June 30, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    I love running Jake Diekman and Justin De Fratus out there every night to expose the disaster that is the franchise.

    • Double Trouble Del

      June 30, 2013 at 8:21 pm

      Lets face it folks even the 85 Phillies put a 26 spot on the up and coming Mets. The 16 runs scored against the Dodgers on Friday reminded me of that game. This team is completely cooked. Howard must be hurt so put him on the DL. As for Hamels he needs to fess up if he’s hurt. If not, he needs to use some of that contract money to pay for a sports psychologist not push his starts back to clear his head. Usually I’m disappointed with their play but this weekend series actually made me want to stop watching them. I know I’s regain my senses tomorrow. when will Dave Montgomery and the ownership regain theirs.

      • Double Trouble Del

        June 30, 2013 at 8:22 pm

        Again I apologize for the typos above. Long weekend.

  2. G7

    June 30, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    May have to start upping the ante for Cuban superstars..Puig is the real deal!!

    • Double Trouble Del

      June 30, 2013 at 8:46 pm

      We’ll see after two or three trips around the league.

      • G7

        June 30, 2013 at 8:47 pm

        You’ll see after 15 years of NL dominance..

    • Double Trouble Del

      June 30, 2013 at 8:54 pm

      15 years from now he’ll be 47.

      • G7

        June 30, 2013 at 11:15 pm

        That would be 25 years..and one hell of a career..

  3. Chuck A.

    June 30, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    Who else is tired of watching Ryan Howard just shaking his head after each and every strikeout?

  4. "Big Ed" Delahanty

    June 30, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    Well, it seems team conundrum answered the two questions I had posed after they scored sixteen runs. Will the offense continue or take a hiatus? Survey says…hiatus. Will the bullpen find its groove or implode? DeFratus says, “Implode, Ed!”

    And is Howard’s knee really that bad? If so, DL him.
    Hopefully, the baseball gods pity us Phillies fans and grant us a series win. Please baseball gods.

    • "Big Ed" Delahanty

      June 30, 2013 at 9:26 pm

      A series win against the Pirates. Sorry I’m frazzled from watching this LA series.

  5. Bart Shart

    June 30, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    Vin Scully said today that the Phillies bullpen is responsible for 25 losses this year. The worst total in baseball. I thought Ruben Amaro was going to fix this? Looks like his wonderboy Adams is out for the season and we lost our closer. How about some help from our farm system. Oh, it stinks, as well. Now throw in our $144 million dollar lefty Chase Utley who is on his way to losing twenty games this year, and , of course, our very spotty offense, which has actually gotten better.

    To my knowledge, Vin Scully does not lie. We need desperately a new general manager that can make intelligent decisions and not panic at the switch, while chain smoking. Ruben Amaro is not the answer.

    Look for a very long summer, fellow Phils fans.

  6. Bart Shart

    June 30, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Obviously, I have had a little too much alcohol. We still have our closer, and our $144 million dollar lefty is Cole Hamels. Sorry for the brain farts.

  7. Bart Shart

    June 30, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    And yes, I am also really tired of Ryan Howard’s head shaking.

  8. Double Trouble Del

    June 30, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Can the owners let this train-wreck continue? I know RAJ will not be fired before the end of this season in fact I can’t recall a baseball GM who was. That being said we are now in July and there is no “run ” left in this team. Meetings should be taking place over the course of the upcoming weeks (if they have not already been taking place) to develop a coherent strategy for dismantling whatever parts of this team that can be sold off for value and to identify potential trade partners and third party teams that will maximize the value of what assets will be dealt. RAJ although the nominal GM of this team cannot be left to his own devices in this decision-making process. Ownership needs to identify a consultant a la Pat Gillick or Dallas Green to step in and offer advice and present alternative courses to begin a goal oriented re-building process. If the Sixers can do it so can the Phillies.

    • schmenkman

      July 1, 2013 at 12:57 am

      DTD, I think, unfortunately, RAJ is here until his contract expires after 2015. And regardless of where they are in the standings, I don’t think there is any intention of “dismantling whatever parts of this team that can be sold off for value”. With a new TV deal about to be negotiated, the plan will likely be to get value for expiring contracts (plus maybe Papelbon’s), but with the objective of fielding a contending team every year. So more of a reload than a rebuild. Also, I don’t know if you’re aware, but Gillick is already an advisor.

      • Double Trouble Del

        July 1, 2013 at 8:52 am

        I actually did know about Gillick. Long weekend at work…

  9. bacardipr

    June 30, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    I think this 2 day break was more because he is hurt as well.

  10. jobang

    June 30, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    I have followed this team when “Whitey” patrolled center field at Shibe Park. Unlike many of you younger fans I have witnessed more bad seasons than good. These things run in cycles and when this team is cleansed of its “GM” and manager, the hope here is for a strong GM from outside the organization to turn this downward spiral around. Till that happens fans, hang in there.

    • wbramh

      July 1, 2013 at 10:34 am

      I thought I was the only one still alive from those days.

      Yes, we’re in that cyclical slump which in historical terms would translate into between 10 and 35 years worth of baseball misery ahead of us.

      I would hope that the fat TV contract encourages the team to spend the money on reorganization and improving their product and thereby shorten our suffering this time but that’s no given in an era where maximum and immediate corporate profits so often take precedence over an organization’s reinvestment in their own future. The woeful band aids applied these last few years are not a good sign of things to come.

      The one thing I can say for the post-Whiz Kids team of the 50s and 60s that I can’t say for our current losing team is that those old teams probably got into more bench-clearing brawls than any other club of that era. They knew they stunk and in frustration fought back the only way they could. This team is just dozing out there (with a few notable exceptions) and that’s pretty hard to watch.

      When Dick Allen wasn’t whomping somebody (including a team mate) he bought himself a pair of glasses after he began missing the ball. If Dick doesn’t need them, maybe he’ll do us a favor and stick them on Ryan Howard’s face.

      • jobang

        July 1, 2013 at 11:28 am

        Wbramh….. you brought memories of Frank Thomas and Richie ( I can’t call him Dick) Allen ‘s dust up in ’64 which many contend was a direct cause of the collapse.

      • wbramh

        July 1, 2013 at 11:05 pm

        Jobang: Yep, that was the fight I alluded to.

        By my recollection while Allen never ceased to be the victim of boo-birds and racial prejudices in this town he was very much the leader of the 1964 team both on and off the field. Thomas, who was known for releasing racial epithets, was released the following day and you couldn’t find a player on the team who wasn’t appalled at him striking Allen on the shoulder with a bat no matter the cause. I doubt that too many players were sorry to see Frank go but unlike the released Thomas, Allen and witnesses suffered a team gag order and the rumor mill ran rampant – much of it directed against the black guy that got the white guy fired. So yeah, the off-shoot of the fight was probably a distraction for the team but I don’t think it had much or anything to do with the collapse. Interestingly, the two men became friends later in life.

        During the 10-game loss, Allen actually raised his game, batting .438 through the team’s terrible slump. IMO, I think it was more Chico Ruiz’s theft of home that started the mental collapse and exacerbated by Gene Mauch’s overcompensation by running Bunning and Short on the mound every other day. A case of a very smart manager over-managing and doing a very dumb thing. Had they won the pennant that way you have to wonder what would have been left of their arms when facing the Yankees.

  11. bacardipr

    June 30, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    Previously the ownership was cheap. Least now they are spending $$$ so maybe this time it can be fixed with the right moves and probably right GM.

  12. Lefty

    June 30, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    I’d like to ask a question about our former slugger Ryan Howard to add to what Chuck A. and Bart were saying.

    What does having a bad knee have to do with the inability to see a slider or a low outside fastball out of the hand of the pitcher. Obviously the trick will work the requisite 7-8 times out of ten, that’s why there are successful pitchers, but it seems to work on him nearly every time now.

    IMO- Forget the knee, get the mans eyes checked, sheesh 🙂

    OT – Puig has a weakness, he’s not that impressive a fielder yet, but when he becomes one, watch out. Wow, a ball of fire that one.

  13. Bruce

    July 1, 2013 at 12:02 am

    I’m very impressed with this 22 year old rookie phenom, Yaisel Puig. 44 hits in his first month and hitting .436 for his BA. Wow! I watched him a few times earlier this month playing with the Dodgers and he appears to have a complete package; a rifle for an arm, aggressive fielder and on the basepaths, good power and makes consistent contact in hitting.

    His physical built , aggressive cat-like movements and baseball instincts reminds me of Jackie Robinson. I’m not saying he will have the greatness of a Robinson but he may become baseball’s newest exciting star (and great for the sport) if he can counteract attempted adjustments by opposing pitchers.

  14. Bruce

    July 1, 2013 at 12:45 am

    Ryan Howard obviously is frustrated and increasingly anxious to do better with his at-bats. He knows the pitchers are taking advantage of his anxiety and impatience by overswinging at pitches out of the strike zone. A hitting slump is like that and can hurt the hitter’s confidence as it continues until the hitter sees the “light” at the end of tunnel. As Charlie Manuel told the reporters, Howard’s mental state is in need of relief and maybe his sore knee as well. I would not be surprised to see Howard go on the DL.

    My concern is his seemingly lack of power as his usual numbers in run production are way down. I think he is not getting the power leverage from his legs when following through with his swing because of his knee problem.

    My best guess is that his sore knee is the result of his previous injury with his ankle last season. I read recently that Howard admitted his problem with the knee started in Spring training this year and has become more of an issue now.

    So it may help Howard to take time off (the aforementioned DL) to rest his knee and clear his mind of frustration with his hitting slump.

    • schmenkman

      July 1, 2013 at 1:22 am

      He finished June with an 0 for 20 run, but even so hit .284/.371/.511 (.883 OPS) in the month. I think we would take months like that every time.

  15. teejvee

    July 1, 2013 at 5:56 am

    Howard’s big problems are obvious. !) his pitch recognition skills are non-existent. 2) He’s hurt.
    1) cannot be fixed. Usually players get better with that through experience. Howard has not
    It ties into 2) because he could cover up for that defihathatciency by driving mistake fasballs. He is having trouble with that because of his physical condition. Thus he either grounds out or fouls off hittable pitches,getting himself down in the count where he proceeds to get himself out ( because of lack of pitch recognition skills)

  16. brooks

    July 1, 2013 at 7:01 am

    I turn the channel when Howard is at bat. It’s embarrassing.

    • schmenkman

      July 1, 2013 at 7:20 am

      Again, if he’s embarassing half the time, and tears it up the other half and ends up with a month like June, I’ll gladly take that, especially if you limit his exposure to lefties.

      • Chuck A.

        July 1, 2013 at 8:00 am

        Yeah, well…his last K yesterday….where he had ZERO discipline…was against a righty. I get your argument but some of these at-bats are downright UGLY.

  17. hot dog

    July 1, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Puig is good but two of those hits yesterday were errors by M. Young.

    • c. schreiber

      July 1, 2013 at 9:12 pm

      And the third a bloop behind 1st base.

  18. rellis

    July 1, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Can things get any worse for Cole Hamels? Now the team decides to push back his start to clear his head. This is the last thing Cole Hamels needs in this town. He didn’t ask for it and apparently wasn’t happy about it but this feeds the angry mob out to get Hamels this season and I don’t think they did him any favors. Could something bigger be afoot here? It’s unfair to put the blame on this horrid season on Ryan Howard and Cole Hamels and these mental days are implying that they are to blame IMO. If they don’t feel Cole Hamels can pitch on this team, then trade him now. This team is pathetic.

    • schmenkman

      July 1, 2013 at 12:20 pm

      I think all that the “mental days” imply is that these guys have been pressing and trying to do too much and not having much success, and that a couple of days away from the action might help to get their heads straight.

      Also, now would be the worst possible time to trade Hamels. There is no reason to think he won’t get back to his excellent 2011-12 levels, so why trade him when his value is at an all-time low?

  19. Mike in NJ

    July 1, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Didn’t watch the game yesterday because I was busy, but when I checked the score on my phone and saw it was 4-0 in the 7th, I just assumed Kershaw was pitching, not Barney Fife. LOL they lose 3/4 to the Dodgers and didn’t even face Kershaw. What a disgrace.

    “-It’s nice to see Ben Revere hitting. His average is up to .289, so if you ripped on the guy, time to apologize” – Not a chance. His defense is still sub par and his noodle arm is beyond a joke. He also makes more base running mistakes than a speed guy should be making. Rube must have caught the Eagles disease of trying to be smarter than everyone else and getting an “under the radar” guy instead of a proven MLB CF.

    I don’t want to hear about Howard’s knee/leg issues. If he’s hurt, put him on the damn DL. Anyway, how is that relevant when he has zero pitch recognition or plate discipline? Just keep throwing him breaking balls and mix in an occasional high fastball (which he can no longer catch) and he’ll never get a hit. I’d include any player in the organiztion to get a team to take him and his millstone contract.

    Is pushing Cole’s start back a couple days going to help this team score some runs for him?

  20. wbramh

    July 1, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Speaking of Charlie’s belated moves with Ryan Howard can anybody explain to me why Charlie didn’t put in a pinch rummer for Delmon Young in the 8th inning of Saturday’s game?
    They desperately needed to push one run across the plate just to stay in the game and Nix’s follow-up double left Young at 3rd (where he was eventually stranded).
    Seemed like a faster runner would have scored on that extra-base hit and that Charlie was more concerned about having Young available at the plate in a non-existent 12th inning than tying it by the 9th.
    Maybe I missed something – or maybe they have no faster runner on the bench – a frightening thought.

  21. Bruce

    July 1, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Some posters on here will defend Howard even if he kills someone.

    • schmenkman

      July 1, 2013 at 1:29 pm

      I’ll promise not to defend him if that happens, if you concede that he had a good month. 😉

      • Hogey's Role

        July 1, 2013 at 2:26 pm

        if we can push Cole hamels back a few starts, why can’t we drop Howard in the lineup??

      • schmenkman

        July 1, 2013 at 2:50 pm

        Hamels will miss 1 start, and Howard got a couple of days off.

        We can drop Howard, I don’t really care either way, because whether he hits 4th or 6th I don’t think it makes a big difference in how many runs they’ll score.

        Now what will help is keeping him out vs. lefties, and they’ve done that quite a bit, although they could do more.

        They’ve faced 18 LH starters, and he has sat for 10 of those 18. Or to put it another way, he has sat 12 games, and 10 of those 12 happened to be vs. LH starters.

      • Hogey's Role

        July 1, 2013 at 5:39 pm

        I’m just saying if they can agree to push Cole back why can’t they agree to drop Howard…

      • schmenkman

        July 1, 2013 at 5:48 pm

        The equivalent of giving Hamels some days off is to give Howard some days off, which they did.

      • Bruce

        July 2, 2013 at 11:00 am

        I would say he had a good month if he was making 10 million a year instead of 25 million. The average was good, but 3 home runs in June is pretty bad. Strikeouts are still way up and walks are almost non existent. We’ll have to agree to disagree!

      • schmenkman

        July 2, 2013 at 11:34 am

        @Bruce, I’m talking overall hitting. He walked 11.4% of the time in June for a .371 OBP to go with .511 slugging. .882 OPS, which is the same as in 2008. I really don’t care whether he produces by hitting home runs, or doubles, or by getting on base for those behind him.

        In any case, still not the $20 million he’s being paid this year (let alone the $25 million he will get starting next year), but to me, that’s neither here nor there — he doesn’t need to be defended for being offered that contract.

  22. rellis

    July 1, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Hamels isn’t missing a start. He will still have 3 starts before the All Star break.

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