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Gameday: Phillies (49-54) at Tigers (57-45)

Philadelphia Phillies (49-54) at Detroit Tigers (57-45) 

Raul Valdes (1-0, 7.59) vs. Max Scherzer (14-1, 3.14)

Time: 7:08 PM EST, Comerica Park
Weather:  Rain, 68
Media: Twitter and Facebook

Today’s game was all set up to be a real pitcher’s duel.  Cliff Lee was expected to start alongside fellow All-Star Max Scherzer, however Lee was scratched due to neck soreness. As rumors circulate about his impending departure, he is listed as day-to-day. In his place today, Raul Valdes will get the start. The lefty was 3-4 with a 3.10 ERA over 12 starts for the IronPigs before being recalled Tuesday. That day, he allowed one run and two hits in 1 1/3 innings in relief against St. Louis. This will be his third career start.

Scherzer, meanwhile, was the AL started for the All-Star game and was tied for the Major League lead in wins as of Friday. This will be his first start against the Phillies.




  1. PhillyMike

    July 27, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Since no one is expecting a victory tonight, this will be the night the Phils put it all together. I have seen this before. 14 and 1? Wow. Honestly, I did not know anyone had that type of record going on.

  2. George

    July 27, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    An AAAA relief pitcher and his less than stellar, powerless hitters vs an all star pitcher with a 14-1 record backed by a real lineup.

    I suppose it might be worth watching for those who believe in miracles.

    • Lefty

      July 27, 2013 at 6:57 pm

      I believe in miracles. 34 years ago a beautiful wonderful woman actually married a young, rough, but hideous looking man with too many bad habits to count, and somehow, ….
      she’s still with me!

      I’ll be in front of the set tonight, I may throw a few things at it, but I’ll be there anyway.

      • frank

        July 27, 2013 at 8:50 pm

        Lefty. Now I know why I keep coming back to this site. That was really awesome. It’s amazing how baseball is so griping and relief of the stresses of everyday life. We have a hard time without it, but we truly cannot live without family and those closest to us.

      • Lefty

        July 27, 2013 at 9:16 pm

        Thanks Frank, I appreciate that, but I’m still throwing shit at the set tonight. Poor flat screen has taken a lot of abuse to keep my marriage going. 🙂

      • frank

        July 27, 2013 at 9:40 pm

        Funny. I think could show that baseball is therapy. Good therapy.

      • Ryne Duren

        July 27, 2013 at 9:59 pm

        Congrats on your longevity Lefty! It says a lot about a person who’s with the same woman for 34 yrs. It’s not easy. I myself ? Well it’s 38 yrs. and it feels like we met just yesterday. Wouldn’t trade her for anything ! Well maybe somebody who could hit for the phils. With my luck it’d be a 5 for one deal and the new younger one would be useless and broken down. Sorta like the cliff lee deal with the mariners. you know the saying. Some of the best trades are the ones you don’t make. lol

  3. George

    July 27, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Well, it’s raining. If it keeps up, that might just be the miracle we need.

    I just noticed the Phils have their elite outfield out there tonight. Nix in right and MiniMart in center. I’m not sure why they don’t have McDonald at short or second. If you want miracles, you’ve got to tempt the fates as much as possible.

  4. Morris Buttermaker

    July 27, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    You should get money refunded on your cable bill every time Mini Mart gets a start.

  5. c. schreiber

    July 27, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Turn out the lights the party’s over etc

    • wbramh

      July 27, 2013 at 8:14 pm

      With Detroit ahead 2-0…whoops, make that 5-0.
      I was just going to say the second run was their insurance run.
      Another embarrassment in the works.

  6. Morris Buttermaker

    July 27, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    I know most of us try to work clean on these boards. No potty mouth or rude comments and all that.

    Do you reckon we can suspend that for tonight?

  7. c. schreiber

    July 27, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    Next question is will they even score versus “Mad Max”. Nothing gripes me more than to see MiniMart in the lineup (or even in MLB) chasing a fly ball in center and to make matters even worst its a 3 run HR. RUBEN PLEASE RELEASE MINIMART & MCDONALD AND BRING SOME KIDS UP TO GET THEIR FEET WET. I’ll bet their numbers will be better than those two. PLEASE.

  8. Morris Buttermaker

    July 27, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    The real challenge tonight is if the Phillies will score more than the Union tonight.

    I think I am going with the Union.

    • wbramh

      July 27, 2013 at 8:51 pm

      Scherzer does make an occasional mistake.
      The question is will anyone on the Phillies recognize the opportunity or already be called out swinging at a junk ball.
      I think I’ll go with the shutout, at least while Scherzer’s still pitching – which may not be past the 5th inning so he can claim an official win.
      Might as well save the guy’s arm for a big league opponent rather than waste it on an exhibition game.

  9. loupossehl

    July 27, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    We just started with the wrong Valdez – see below.

    At this point, I’d do a double switch, with Minimart on the mound and Wilson Valdez in CF. (This does two things: it allows Mini to flash his major league credentials on the mound – as he has at every other position he’s played, for whatever team, in his entire career – and sets up Wilson for later, when we go into extra innings and need a RHP.)

    Did I mention that this is embarrassing?

    Not to worry – the Mercy Rule will kick in soon.

    • wbramh

      July 27, 2013 at 10:30 pm

      The Exxon Valdez left a smaller oil slick.

  10. c. schreiber

    July 27, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    Just saw a shot of the Tigers dugout and their laughing thier butts off. This could turn into a baseball bench clearing inicident. Another fine play (over his head) play by the miniman. PLEASE Ruben!!!

    • Morris Buttermaker

      July 27, 2013 at 9:21 pm

      Bench clearing as in a fight?

      Or bench clearing as in the Phillies trying to find someone to pitch the 8th?

    • wbramh

      July 27, 2013 at 10:41 pm

      What you saw was the entire Tigers bull pen laughing in the dugout. It was nothing personal against the Phillies though. Out of boredom they decided to move to the bench after the first inning and watch reruns of the Honeymooners on TVLand..

  11. Morris Buttermaker

    July 27, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    I just tried to listen to the game on the radio. But for some reason, when I turned on 1210, this was all I could hear.

    • Morris Buttermaker

      July 27, 2013 at 9:10 pm

      Still better than listening to T Mac explain what a bridge is.

    • Lefty

      July 27, 2013 at 9:21 pm

      It’s appropriate music for this team. I guess we’re not deadline buyers after all. Some would see this losing streak as a good thing. A little reality hit, if you will. I see it as a slightly sad thing, but there’s no crying in baseball. Besides, we’ll all live.

  12. psujoe

    July 27, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Team is just brutal. They need to trade everything they can even if they have to eat salary.

    • wbramh

      July 27, 2013 at 11:38 pm

      There’s nothing wrong with this team that an accurate firing squad couldn’t fix.
      I’ll even put my own blindfold on which I should have done back in April.

  13. psujoe

    July 27, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Thetre’s your 2014 Phillies out there, LOL.

  14. Andrew from Waldorf

    July 27, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    At least I have Cabrera and Victor Martinez in fantasy.

    Between tonight and what will happen tomorrow I am making a big comeback.

    Thanks Ruben.

    If I lose my Phillies- Mets better record bet Id appreciate it if you ( Ruben) would personally write the check on my behalf for 100$

  15. c. schreiber

    July 27, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    Mini sure looked good taking those three strikes in a 10-0 game, RUBE. WILL YOU PLEASE SEND HIM HOME TO SOUTH AMERICA OR WHEREVER HE’S FROM.

    • wbramh

      July 27, 2013 at 10:44 pm


    • Double Trouble Del

      July 27, 2013 at 10:47 pm

      If you watched the game you couldn’t help but notice that Mini-Mart actually had one of the better at bats against Scherzer.

      • wbramh

        July 27, 2013 at 11:41 pm

        And Mini-Mart also came reasonably close to beating out a couple of ground balls.
        The 2013 Phillies version of an inside-the-parker.

  16. Andrew from Waldorf

    July 27, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    1 hit

    And congrats Lefty.

    Even a blind squirrel finds the occasional acorn.

    I mean Carlos Ruiz was hitting 4th for the Phillies just one year ago.

    I truly believe the PED thing is mainly mental.

    And what happens is after its gone they just lose confidence.

    I expect Braun to tail off big time career wise.

    I am surprised the Brewers don’t try to void the rest of his contract.

  17. Morris Buttermaker

    July 27, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    And just when you think it can’t get any worse…

    Here’s Billy Joel!

  18. Mike

    July 27, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    i am so torn on whether i want to see this team sell. main reason is i cannot handle watching nix, martinez, delmon, and mcdonald marched out there at this point. i completely understand being hurt by injuries, but these 4 i doubt would crack the astros bench at this point. as much as charlie needs to go, this is not his fault. ruben is a bottom 5 GM and i do not trust his at all to make and trade to “help” this team!

    • psujoe

      July 27, 2013 at 11:21 pm

      As mortimore Duke would say, “sell, sell, sell”

  19. Andrew from Waldorf

    July 27, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Phils have given up 10 or more runs a whopping 10 times.

    So I took the time to look it up and the Phils have scored 10 runs 2 times.

    But the better part is they have allowed 9 runs 5 more times.

    As Charlie Sheen would say: Winning

    2 hits!

  20. Ryne Duren

    July 27, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    I said jokingly to a person in line at the wawa’s when he said to me you still wearing a phils cap! yea I answered even though they’ll probably get shut out 10 zip tonight. Gotta fly the colors. oops! How did I know?

    • PhillyMike

      July 27, 2013 at 10:16 pm

      Some idiot with the first post in this thread thought the Phils could win tonight. He should be banned.

      • Lefty

        July 27, 2013 at 10:54 pm

        Who was that Mike? 🙂

  21. Morris Buttermaker

    July 27, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    The past two series have just been men against boys. The Phillies can’t even compete with the top teams in the league. Their record is being helped out by how bad the NL East is.

    • wbramh

      July 27, 2013 at 11:22 pm

      Worse yet, I think the Braves are starting to get it together. Even a modestly decent second half coast by Atlanta could leave the Phillies 20 games out by the end of September.
      Also, I doubt that the underachieving Nationals will remain as hapless through September. The bigger question is whether the Mets catch up and eventually pass the Phils in the standings as I horrifically predicted would not be out of the realm of possibility.

  22. Double Trouble Del

    July 27, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    I expect that come tomorrow afternoon there will be numerous rumors about Phillies players on the block and their respective destinations. Sad to admit that at the beginning of this season I was already looking forward to Wed July 31st and now its a little over seventy two hours away and I somehow have the feeling I’ll be disappointed on Wed. as well.

    • psujoe

      July 27, 2013 at 11:30 pm

      Blow it up. Eat salary to get rid of whoever you can.

  23. Ken Bland

    July 27, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    Let’s try a political angle.



    What a radical.

    Minnie appears to be the third best player on the roster at this point. No player has ever done less to move further up the charts quicker.

    • wbramh

      July 27, 2013 at 11:46 pm

      Mini is now only the 4th best player on the team.
      Jeremy Maclin has been penciled in to play center field tomorrow.

  24. Bart Shart

    July 28, 2013 at 12:05 am

    Just awful. Ruf is hitting, though. Still hope…..but not for this season. Let’s see if Amaro has any balls. Maybe he wants to get fired? Time to trade, Rubin.

    • Scooter

      July 28, 2013 at 12:51 am

      I am loathe to compound the pessimism on display in this thread, but I’m convinced we haven’t seen the worst yet, because I truly believe that only “doing something”can get Amaro fired. Ownership loves him, he’s a loyal company man who balances all of ownership’s concerns (WS parades not necessarily foremost among them).

      And so. We’ll trade Michael Young and Chooch, just like last year we shed Shane and Hunter: token moves of “selling to rebuild,” but because nothing has really been dismantled, there’s nothing to rebuild. Utley and his 30+ year old knees come back for three more years of intermittently solid play mixed with long stints on the DL. Those knees join the 30+ year old patchwork legs of The Big POS and his terrifically diminished bat, as well as the 30+ year old, injury-prone gams of J-Roll. The oldest infield in baseball will be retained on the hopes of selling nostalgia tickets and waiting for the cable payday they are about to make.

      And for these efforts to serve the corporation rather than the team, Ruben will be a made man.

      That’s the nightmare scenario.

  25. Andrew from Waldorf

    July 28, 2013 at 12:23 am

    Ken Bland who is the photo?

    Louis Farrakhan or Napoleon Dynamite?

    • Ken Bland

      July 28, 2013 at 8:19 am

      The photo is of me from the high school prom.

      That answer is from the same spirit as the day a way back in time when I was walking through the streets of downtown Philly one day (this is a true story) sporting a Yankee starter jacket and cap, and one of the brothers walked up to me and said, “Say, man, do you play for the Yankees?” Perhaps the Yanks were in Oakland that night, maybe Anaheim. I don’t know. I was in a playful mood, and said, “yeah.” The guy had an on the street orgasm, and asked for my autograph. In my best right handed penmanship, I scribbled out The Guid’s name, straight face in place. The dude never questioned the right handed signature of the left handed Louisianna man. Nor did he pick up on the lack of a Louisianna accent from my few, but no doubt well listened to words.

      Not quite a 15 minute experience, but one of fame, nonetheless. As I recall that story for the first time in a long time, I now wish I’d looked back to have seen his follow up reaction as I kept pacing toward whatever my desitination was after the brief encounter. . As for my own performance, outstanding deadpan.

      The photo’s actually of Cliff. It came up as the best option resulting from a search of Free Cliff images on the local internet. The man deserves better than this horseshit. Does look like it might be from his HS prom. I hope he’s a Red Sox soon. I’ll worry about the sadness of it then. For now, it’s just get him outtahere, no disrespect to your Met bet felt.

      As Louis Farrakhan would say in closing, power to the people, right on.

      • Andrew from Waldorf

        July 31, 2013 at 9:27 pm

        You should have said Reggie Jackson.

        As-salamu alaykum

  26. psujoe

    July 28, 2013 at 1:15 am

    papplebon, M. Young, Kendrick or Lee, Jroll, Chooch may get the Phils something. The Nix, Mayberry, D. Young… junk won’t bring back crap.

    I’d like to to a 3 or 4 team deal trading Papplebon and (Lee or Kendirck) for a RF and a bull pen arm. Work it out RAJ!

  27. Eric D

    July 28, 2013 at 3:41 am

    Not sure where else I can put this but does anyone else think that if they trade Utley then Ashe needs to go back to his position when drafted, 2B that was in the near future Franco can man 3B. Eventually the team should look something like this:

    C – Tommy Joseph (however Knapp is the catcher of the future, he’s having a solid first year of pro ball)

    1B – Ryan Howard (kinda stuck with him however he was playing w a torn meniscus so lets see what a totally healthy Howard can do . . I’d be good w .260/360/500 25plus hrs and close to 100RBI)

    2B – Cody Ashe (I’d put him back at his natural position only so that Franco can play 3B or move Franco to LF . . Franco has a plus arm however he’s really slow, the Phillies actually thought he would end up being a catcher when they signed him)

    3B – Maikel Franco (he’s been tearing it up in AA, if Utley is traded and Ashe gets called up then I’d promote Franco to AAA then have him fight for the job in spring. If he doesn’t do well then Ashe back to 3B with Hernandez/Galvis to 2B)

    SS – Jimmy Rollins (he still gives you a gold glove at SS and eventually will slide down to the 7th hole where he’ll still have speed and a little pop as well. JP Crawford is the future at the SS position, he’s among one of the top hitters right now)

    LF – FA Signing (or Franco can move to LF however he’s really slow but can anyone be slower then Ibanez or Burrell? If they sign a FA then I’d go for Ellsbury or Choo with Ellsbury being the top choice, then he could play LF or move to CF where he’d have a better arm them Revere where Revere could slide over to LF)

    CF – Ben Revere (or see above however he’s been one of RAJ best moves. I think in April there was a lot of pressure on him coming to a new team and replacing Rollins as the lead off hitter)

    RF – Domonic Brown (Not much to say here)


    1 – Cole Hamels
    2 – Cliff Lee (if not traded, if he is traded then you slide everyone up and have Pettibone as your 5th)
    3 – MAG
    4 – Adam Morgan (I’ve seen Biddle and Morgan pitch and to me I think Morgan will be the better pitcher in the long run)
    5 – Jessie Biddle

    Random Notes:

    -Roman Quinn will eventually get moved to CF, he gets to a lot of balls a SS however he doesn’t make a lot of plays after getting to them.

    -The Phillies are stacked at the Catcher position in the minors with Joseph, Rupp, Valle, Knapp and Lino. Knapp will be the catcher of the future however IMO all 5 will eventually be major league players, most as back ups.

    My list of top 15 Phillies Prospects

    1. Maikel Franco 3B (Power, Average, Glove and Arm . . Only lacking speed)
    2. Jessie Biddle LHP (Needs to cut down the walks, Solid 3rd starter)
    3. Adam Morgan LHP (Better stuff then Biddle and more polished)
    4. JP Crawford SS (Very advanced for his age, solid MLB SS)
    5. Roman Quinn SS (Plus Plus speed, think Juan Pierre in prime but faster)
    6. Kelly Dugan OF (was hurt a lot in beginning of career but now putting up numbers)
    7. Cody Ashe 3B (a Philly type player, lacks the pop of a corner infielder)
    8. Cesar Hernandez 2B (Think Galvis but a lot better at the plate)
    9. Ethan Martin RHP (Potential to be a front end starter, need better command)
    10. Carlos Tocci OF (will all depend on getting stronger, very skilled KID)
    11. Tommy Joseph C (Can’t say too much considering he hasn’t played much due DL)
    12. Shane Watson RHP (has the potential to be a front end starter)
    13. Dylan Cozens OF (Big up side, big everything)
    14. Zach Green 3B (may have to trade eventually bc he’ll be blocked at 3B)
    15. Serevino Gonzalez RHP (Check out his numbers this year . . Wow)

    Players to watch: Cameron Perkins OF, Cameron Rupp C, Mitch Gueller RHP, COrd Sandberg OF, Andrew Knapp C, Larry Green JR LF, Ken Giles RHP, Yoel Mecias LHP, Gabe Lino C

  28. Fritz

    July 28, 2013 at 7:54 am

    How does Amaro still have his job? The same reason mini mart is starting, this is the organization I knew as a kid. Lousy teams for 15 years or so then somehow the stars allign
    Just right and we are good for a few years. I hope I’m wrong but by my calculations next WS for us will be in 2023.

  29. Carlos Danger

    July 28, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Since September 10, 2011 this team has gone 138-147 in 285 games. That’s a .484 winning percentage.

  30. teejvee

    July 28, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I know RAJ haters aren’t going to want to hear it, but there is an incredible amount of luck that goes into GM’ing. Does anybody think this team would be in this kind of condition if Halladay Howard, Stutes and Adams had stayed healthy?

    • Lefty

      July 28, 2013 at 12:21 pm

      teejvee, I don’t hate on anyone, and am not trying to dodge your question.

      If you walk that dangerous line of having too many mid thirties veterans to start the season, you will likely get the injuries no matter what. So it’s hard to say what condition the team would be in with those guys healthy, because ( pre PED ) history tells us it was a gamble to begin with.

      • George

        July 28, 2013 at 1:16 pm

        I can see the point both yours and teejvee’s way.

        With some players, such as Halladay and Utley, the risk was probably less because of their constant work and efforts to stay in shape. The Utley contract was signed well before he should have had issues; he’s still actually not that old. the stupid signings have been those for players who were in their mid-to-late thirties or who would reach that age before their contracts expired. Players like Cliff Lee or Michael Young, or Rollins. The strange thing is that those three aren’t among the wounded.

        It’s also plainly true that luck has played a factor when it comes to the injuries to young players like Stutes, and now Revere and Brown.

        One of my problems with Amaro is that he doesn’t seem to be able to build a roster beyond a few major pieces. Players like D.Young, McDonald, Martinez, Durbin, and Nix; or Wigginton, Qualls, and Thome last year clearly haven’t been the correct ones to have, and were questionable before they were even signed. When you’ve got the possibility of injuries (and as Lefty says, you’re likely to when your core players are up in years) a team needs to have much better backups than the clowns Amaro has signed.

  31. Fritz

    July 28, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Don’t Hate anyone. Just saying I the doubt the organization’s ability to maintain quality throughout the years. More than anything I want the team to win and will always be a fan no matter what they do. If I can cheer through 1961 there is little they can do to make me stop watching.

  32. teejvee

    July 28, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    George,what GM builds a roster beyond major pieces. All those roles players you mentioned are the same kind of role players every team signs. They are hit or miss. They unfortunately stick out like sore thumbs when the prime time players don’t produce.

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